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Unions Slump on Bad Obama Bet

Bob62 Wrote: Feb 18, 2013 7:00 PM
Parrots repeat what they hear, Humans are suppose to think about, do a little research and then come up with their own thoughts about a subject... To lump all Unions to gether is an ignorant thing to do. Granted the media does it, but then again what does the media do right? Most reporters are bird brains, they get paid to be... Some Unions provide years of education along with years of hands-on training, BEFORE a worker can be trusted to do a job by himself... These Unions are an ASSET to our country, not a drain... Who do you want building your roads and bridges, Union Workers or Rent-A-Juans from Home Depot... Even Mitt Romney insisted on Union Labor to ensure the job of the Olympics, that he holds so high, got done right...
MadisonWannabe Wrote: Feb 19, 2013 7:33 AM
We have trade schools and many employers are more than willing to pay for that education, mine included. We both benefit and I am paid accordingly. The only thing that happens with trade unions is the person doing the work is underpaid because the union boss and other senior union members get a cut of the new comers pay.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Feb 18, 2013 9:58 PM
The, for cryin' out loud, Bob, STOP BEING A PARROT!!!

The reality is that very, very, very, very few unions provide any real benefit to workers. The vast majority of employers are more than happy to provide worker training (and do so) because it is an investment that pays off. The notion that unions are primary training sources is hilariously wrong.

And it would be nice if union labor actually WERE somehow superior. Alas, unsubstantiated fairy tales are not evidence.
D G Wrote: Feb 18, 2013 9:19 PM
Unions are obsolete. Get used to it.
Joseph64 Wrote: Feb 18, 2013 8:22 PM
"Some Unions provide years of education along with years of hands-on training, BEFORE a worker can be trusted to do a job by himself."

And this is part of the problem. Businesses do not want workers who need years of on the job training before they can work independently. They want workers who can start working with minimal training and are capable of working independently without requiring someone to hold their hand. If someone comes out of a college or trade school looking for a job, isn't that enough training? Why should the employer have to pay for a low productivity worker and his nursemaid for years before they can do the job?
searcherseeker Wrote: Feb 18, 2013 9:37 PM
Apprenticeship takes time; as much as a worthless college education. To become a journeyman allows you to be responsible for the decisions you make. That is more than a bachelors degree will do. Unions produce credentialed skilled workers.

However, unions also produce herd mentality and union bosses who believe the "job" belongs, not to the company which produces it, but to the union who provides the worker. Big mistake. Without the company, the job does not exist.
Free Man3 Wrote: Feb 18, 2013 7:59 PM
The skilled trade unions do themselves no favors by aligning with and supporting low skilled soda jerks, bra salesmen, pencil pushing file clerks, and performers of repetitive assembly line work. Even the Skilled Trades Guilds could be easily replaced with State Licensing and certificates to engage in that profession much like Pharmacists, Doctors, and CPAs. Of course those with Skilled Trade Licenses should carry an individual personal liability for failure to perform up to standards when their bridge falls down or their inferior work lets the face of a building land in the street crushing little kids on their way to school (just threw in that last bit for the fun of it.)
searcherseeker Wrote: Feb 18, 2013 9:32 PM
Where can I get a job as a bra salesman?!
PhillupSpace2 Wrote: Feb 18, 2013 11:29 PM
The line forms back there! I am at the front of the line; have been camping out here for 10 days!
Andy53 Wrote: Feb 18, 2013 7:31 PM
Yet the labor unions support a president and legislators that want to open the door to cheap foreign labor. I just don't get it. Romney wanted to get unions the only thing that makes them strong: jobs in a strong economy, not just a contract here, a bail out there.

As long as O can count on the union vote, they are "useful idiots".
Andy53 Wrote: Feb 18, 2013 7:30 PM
Yet the labor unions support a president and legislators that want to open the door to cheap foreign labor. I just don't get it. Romney wanted to get unions the only thing that makes them strong: jobs in a strong economy, not just a contract here, a bail out there.

Alarm bells are going off for labor unions around the country.

Four years after electing the most pro-labor president of the last half-decade, it looks like the scheme has backfired.

In 2008 and 2012 labor unions used everything, including a little body English, ballot stuffing and voter intimidation to elect a president who would bring the prestige of presidential backing to recruitment efforts for labor unions.  

Since then not only have labor unions taken historic defeats in former union strongholds, like Wisconsin and Michigan, labor union membership is declining at a rate that will make them a...