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Bluebonnet Wrote: Dec 09, 2012 12:09 PM
The "Bush Tax cuts" are "Tax Rates! " The foolish mantra of taxing the rich serves only to increase the poor. Becoming successful honorably is a worthy goal. The poor survive because of the successful. If success brings wealth, that is the reward of individual achievement. Class envy discourages meaningful advancement of self worthiness, achievement and ambition. The Constitutional role of the government is not to redistribute earned income of successful achievers, nor to hamper their ability to achieve. Class warfare is unfulfilling at best, damaging at worse. It drags society into despair where hope is nothing more than a dream with no end.
DoctorRoy Wrote: Dec 09, 2012 12:35 PM
Naw it's not inequality of outcome that I oppose. It is the unearned privilege used to get to that outcome.
Gayle__CO Wrote: Dec 09, 2012 1:09 PM
Life is not fair.
I presume "unearned privilege" equates to the children of the wealthy who get a head start in life as opposed to the child of the poor single parent that is at a disadvantage.

We can give the poor children the best chance to succeed by giving them a sound education so they have the tools to obtain their goals. I am sorry to say, that our education system is failing to do that. Parents are failing to do their parenting, politicians fail at offering good policies and the poor are suffering. But, so are the middle class who are not getting what they need either.

Now that I have thoroughly depressed myself, I better go finish my christmas decorations.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Dec 09, 2012 2:46 PM
Then you oppose the uneraned privilege of higher than market compensation (at the expense of non-union workers) demanded by unions. Gotcha.
PhillupSpace2 Wrote: Dec 09, 2012 3:08 PM
You nailed it Fletch. My Son -in law is a fireman and upon reaching his fifth year on the job, he was guaranteed Healthcare for life!!!!

That will not be billed only to other similarly fortunate Union people; It will be an obligation on the 90% who are non union (paying for their own healthcare people) as well!
SpaceVegetable Wrote: Dec 09, 2012 3:22 PM
Unearned privilege? Well sure, some get a head start on achievement by winning the birth lottery, but there really aren't all that many of them. And how many of you wouldn't want to give your kids everything you could? Most of the successful, though, are regular folks who get ahead due to their own hard work and sacrifice. Some of us even start out with disadvantages, like being very poor or having a disability. I've had to deal with both of the latter and have still managed to earn myself some success. Why should I be punished for my achievements? Or denigrated for making something of myself while others chose not to work as hard or put in the same efforts?
Steve539 Wrote: Dec 09, 2012 4:55 PM
If it is legal, why do you object, NurseRoy? Class Envy, Class Envy Class Envy!!!
DoctorRoy Wrote: Dec 09, 2012 5:11 PM
I just don't understand you all. You have millions of people who worked hard, kept their noses clean, and did what they were supposed to do. You set the rules and they played by them to the best of their ability. Now you want to change the rules. That pension you paid into?-Ooops sorry. Your 401k? Sorry Wall Street took half of that in 2008. Oh and by the way I hate to tell you this but Social Security and Medicare isn't going to be there either. This whole "class warfare" schtick is a bunch of baloney. I don't give a rat's behind how much money Paris Hilton has or how she got it or even if she deserves it or not. But by God if you make a promise to some one, or sign a contract you should be held to it. So there.

LoninPa wrote: Is Ransom saying that the Senate would never approve the tax bill that they already approved and sent to the house? I know it started out as a non-tax bill with the tax part amended on. But that hardly changes the fact that the Senate voted for it.

What Ransom, pretty much alone, seems to have missed is that the Democrats don't have to vote for a tax hike bill. The Republicans voted for one 12 years ago (extended by a compromise for two years) and it will go into effect in January. The Democrats only plan on passing...