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Is it Time to Throw in the Towel?

Beethovens10th Wrote: Feb 11, 2013 4:52 PM
From Ryan Sorba's Blog: The American Psychiatric Association (APA) currently considers same-sex attraction a diagnosable and treatable mental disorder –if one is marked by persistent distress about their “sexual orientation.” The disorder is listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-IV TR (DMS-IV TR) as a paraphilia, euphemistically entitled, “Sexual Orientation Not Otherwise Specified.” Psychiatrists began to use this clunky phrase to refer to homosexuality in 1987, after compromising with radical activists for more than a decade about what constitutes politically-correct verbiage. Negotiations have centered primarily on how to balance the demands of radical political activists with the right of ...
Beethovens10th Wrote: Feb 11, 2013 4:53 PM
(cont.)...the individual patient to self-determination, which requires that psychiatry leave the doors open to treatment and implies that homosexuality is in fact a mental disorder. Just think, would the APA treat a white man who wished he were black by encouraging him to believe that he is black even though he is not? Or would the APA seek to help the man reduce anxiety about being white? Each decision about how to label the mental illness has been driven primarily by politics, not science. In Homosexuality and American Psychiatry pro-sodomy author Ronald Bayer notes that in the APA’s original DSM-I published in 1951,

Beethovens10th Wrote: Feb 11, 2013 4:54 PM
…homosexuality and other sexual deviations were included among the sociopathic personality disturbances. These disorders were characterized by the absence of subjectively experienced distress or anxiety despite the presence of profound pathology.

In 1968 the APA published DSM-II. In the new manual homosexuality was removed from the category of sociopathic personality disturbances and placed under the general category of sexual deviations alongside gender identity disorder, sadism, masochism, voyeurism, exhibitionism, fetishism, incest, transvestitism, necrophilia, rape, pedophilia, zoophilia, and more.
Jack2894 Wrote: Feb 11, 2013 5:13 PM
And is there some reason we should think Ryan Sorba's blog has any particular validity?
Beethovens10th Wrote: Feb 11, 2013 5:22 PM
When it's based on verifiable facts? Sure.
Jack2894 Wrote: Feb 11, 2013 5:46 PM
The only thing I checked on his blog was wrong, so what was that?

AND why endless references to an old and out of date diagnostic manual?
du2 Wrote: Feb 12, 2013 5:42 PM
You are such a liar. You can just blatantly distort any information or get from other people who do and paste it up counting on the ignorance and laziness of people in TH. 1968. 1987.
The APA didn't publish homosexuality in ANY paraphilia category or under that of pathology.
Credible professionals know ANTI SOCIAL behavior when they see it. And homosexuality is not anti social.
Homosexuality victimizes no one.
At one time it was considered something of an obsessive emotional disorder, but no one that rendered a person INCOMPETENT in any other social environment.
The reason it changed was because the research sample had been restricted to institutionalized gay people. Not free ones.
There is an important difference.
du2 Wrote: Feb 12, 2013 5:46 PM
con't: Just as you as you have done, or anyone who is anti Semitic, or racist or misogynist, if you want a research sample to reflect your own assumptions and prejudice, however ludicrous, you'll strain credibility to get it. You're no different, and neither is Michael Brown.
Especially trying to make it look like the change in the DSM happened because of threat and coercion.
It happened the way most things do in this country, full access, free association and the subject being able to speak freely for themselves to educate everyone did it.
It's you and TH that try to employ fear and ignorance, OF gay folks to maintain your influence. Gay people have barely had two decades to be able to get THEIR voices heard without interference.

Republican leaders have capitulated, pro-family pundits have caved, and gay activists have announced that their struggle for equality is just about over. Is it time for biblical conservatives to throw in the towel?

What a ridiculous thought. Why in the world would we do that?

I’m fully aware that:

· Newt Gingrich recently announced his belief that same-sex unions are “inevitable” and that Republicans must accept this if they want to win future elections.

· Pro-marriage leader David Blankenhorn has recanted his opposition to same-sex “marriage,” saying “the time has come for me to accept gay marriage and...