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The Current Cowardly Church Needs a Mega Dose of the Rebel Spirit

bdogslo Wrote: Jul 09, 2012 3:08 AM
Overt. Readily apparent. If your Diety comes to you and demands you to be more zealous, and to repent for it I think the obvious question for an observer should be what it means to be zealous. It could mean to go and kill in the name of Christ. It could be trying to do something that demands martyrdom. From this text alone it is not readily apparent.
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Jul 09, 2012 2:27 PM

Don't be ridiculous. John records Jesus' words in a vision: addressed to the "angel" in charge of the Laodiceans. That is, a bishop; holding authority (a lampstand) over that branch of the Catholic church. One branch, Laodicea; it's ANGEL; not all the faithful.

Jesus says he will take away his lampstand; that is change to a different leader.

bdogslo Wrote: Jul 09, 2012 3:32 AM
You keep missing the point.

What does being zealous for God look like when there are no threats (internal or external)? You keep saying God wanted them hot but that does not explain what being hot means. Mr Giles and I have radically different views of what being hot means. You have not given a single example of a New Testament character displaying anything like what Giles is advocating. I can list dozens of examples of characters being asked to give and share earthly possessions (as an example of living one's faith, seeking gold, and dawning white robes).

Whenever the ends of Government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the People may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new Government; the doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind. –Declaration of Rights, Maryland

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