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How A Failed Commune Gave Us What Is Now Thanksgiving

Bayou Charley Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 8:06 AM
Actually it was a more complex arrangement than you indicate. The earliest methods might have looked communist, but the intent was a journey toward freedom, liberty, and private property. To live in one house because there is only one house isn't exactly a communist intent, but one of necessity. The investors tried to force a communal existence as they believed it yielded a better return, but it was a concept not favored by the "pilgrims". They moved as quickly as possible toward a private property status. Their early failure was for other reasons. To condense it for a political point is to ignore the complexity of the situation. Communism is an economic failure, but the Plymouth Colony isn't the best example.
Joseph64 Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 7:24 PM
The Plymouth colony is the perfect example of why Communism fails across the board. The village kept a storehouse of food and other supplies that was taken from the productive class and distributed equally among all the colonists whether they contributed or not. This led to a welfare class who became greedy and who would refuse to work and a productive class who became resentful of the welfare class taking the fruits of their labor so they would produce less and that winter everyone nearly starved as a result and that is what will happen here soon now that we have reached the tipping point where we have half of the people (and growing) taking and refusing to contribute while the rest work their butts off to provide for all.
Joseph64 Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 7:26 PM
Pretty soon the producers in this country will say "To hell with this" and start producing just enough to provide for their own families and the welfare class can pound salt because there won't be enough left to provide for them, too.
michigander4 Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 9:28 AM
RE: "Communism is an economic failure, but the Plymouth Colony isn't the best example."

I have read all of Bradford's writings on the subject, and Bowyer is pretty much correct on the key elements. If I understand you correctly, you're saying they wanted to be competitive free-marketers from the get-go, but they thought they'd give communism the "old college try" for a year or so. I don't accept that. They changed to the ownership/free market method in order to survive.

It’s wrong to say that American was founded by capitalists. In fact, America was founded by socialists who had the humility to learn from their initial mistakes and embrace freedom. One of the earliest and arguably most historically significant North American colonies was Plymouth Colony, founded in 1620 in what is now known as Plymouth, Massachusetts. As I’ve outlined in greater detail here before (Lessons From a Capitalist Thanksgiving), the original colony had written into its charter a system of communal property and labor. As William Bradford recorded in his Of Plymouth Plantation, a people who had formerly...

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