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Progressives Simply Do Not Like The United States

bafisher Wrote: Apr 01, 2012 3:18 PM
This is an outstanding article. It hits at the heart of the problem with mandates, Obamacare, and progressive liberal ideas in general. Individuals and families should be responsible for themselves first, then neighbors, then private organizations for social good. The government should be the last to intervene. Ripping away choice and responsibility from individuals and families is detrimental to society. Progressives claim they are compassionate and community oriented. Yet studies show they are the least likely to donate their own money to good causes. Maybe they feel everyone is as selfish with their own money as they are so government has to steal it from those who take responsibility for their lives, families, and communities.
Mother of 4 -- the original Wrote: Apr 01, 2012 3:34 PM
Lefties commonly believe that social conservatives are going to make them behave by force. This is because force is the lefty default position. If they believe some light bulbs are evil they enact laws forcing people to buy the right light bulbs. If they believe some vehicles are evil they enact laws forcing people to buy the right vehicles. If they believe some speech is evil they enact laws forcing people to speak only the correct things. Lefties see forced chastity and childbearing when they see a social conservative because lefties believe in force -- if they valued chastity and childbearing they'd force them on people.

Conservatives, however, believe in freedom.
Raven7 Wrote: Apr 01, 2012 3:47 PM
Never thought of it that way, but I believe that you are correct. Thanks.
Mother of 4 -- the original Wrote: Apr 01, 2012 3:58 PM
Left-liberals often operate on the principle that anything which is not explicitly permitted must be forbidden and anything that is explicitly permitted must be mandatory.

Freedom is a little messier. In a free society people have the right to be wrong. And people who are right retain the right to tell people who are exercising their right to be wrong that they are, indeed, wrong.
bafisher Wrote: Apr 02, 2012 12:13 AM
Patriot155 Wrote: Apr 01, 2012 3:22 PM
I think you might have nailed it home with this post.

Ever heard of Dahlia Lithwick? No? Don’t feel bad. I hadn’t either until I read her piece of … something or other … on Slate about the Supreme Court hearing this week on Obamacare.

A quick Google search turned up her Wikipedia entry, which tells me she’s a Canadian and contributing editor at Newsweek and senior editor at Slate. In other words, a committed leftist.

Lithwick writes:

This morning in America’s highest court, freedom seems to be less about the absence of constraint than about the absence of shared responsibility, community, or real concern for those who don’t want anything...