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Intellectuals and Race: Part II

AZYaateeh Wrote: Mar 13, 2013 1:22 AM
Again, China only had a lead over Europe from c. 500 to c. 200...BC. The Romans had already surpassed them by the Late Republic. The only fields the Islamic world surpassed the West in were astronomy and medicine—and they hadn't actually done it, they simply looted books from Hindus and Greeks when they raided them. All the real intellectual legwork of the "Islamic Golden Age" was done by Dhimmi Christians and Jews, e.g. Maimonides...who wouldn't have known any Aristotle if not for a 6th century, pre-Islamic Spanish monk, Isidore of Seville. The West also tied or passed Islam in astronomy and medicine by two generations after the 1st Crusade. They surpassed Islamic agro-tech by Charlemagne—Muslims had slaves, they didn't need good plows.
Alex_P Wrote: Mar 13, 2013 10:45 AM
Dear AZYaateeh,
You need to get out more. While I am not a fan of Muslims, no one who has seen Ulugh Beg observatory in Samarkand will believe this "they only stole it" claim.
AZYaateeh Wrote: Mar 13, 2013 10:39 PM
Aside from the fact that observatory was built long after the end of the Islamic "Golden Age" and the period of supposed Islamic superiority, every single principle that went into it was Persian or Hindu in origin. Persians and Hindus who became Muslim did not instantly become as barbarous as the Turks or Arabs; but all their civilized traits were in spite of, not because of, their Islam.

A barbarian who became Muslim stayed a barbarian; the only thing Islam changed about the Turk was his ritual cannibalism. A barbarian who became a Christian became a civilized man—far more civilized, e.g. in their treatment of women and slaves, than the Romans or Greeks. The agricultural inventions I mentioned were made by Frankish tribesmen, not Romans.

Editor's note: This is Part II in a series. Part I can be found here.

Once we recognize that large differences in achievement among races, nations and civilizations have been the rule, not the exception, throughout recorded history, there is at least some hope of rational thought -- and perhaps even some constructive efforts to help everyone advance.

Even such a British patriot as Winston Churchill said, "We owe London to Rome" -- an acknowledgement that Roman conquerors created Britain's most famous city, at a time when the ancient Britons were incapable of doing so themselves.

No one who...