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Symptoms of a sick culture

AZBJD Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 12:53 AM
Socialist programs such as Obamacare are not "making government more humane and compassionate". Socialism is inherently immoral because it uses the institution that is supposed to protect individual freedom as a weapon against those that it is supposed to protect. In the US, people are supposed to live free and have the government is supposed to protect their Right to do so. Instead, the government now has unlimited power to force any action or behavior on you and if you don't comply it can tax you into oblivion. That is the sign of a sick culture and a sick political system.
AZYaateeh Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 1:46 AM
Socialism—"the means of production in state hands while political liberty is retained"—is probably immoral because people have a right to own their own means of production.

Of course, socialism proper has never existed; every attempt to establish it has instead established communism (political liberty NOT retained, i.e. state-run slavery) or fascism (only some of the means of production in state hands, but the state claiming the right to dissolve free contracts, coupled, often, with a legal status for unions and a legal requirement to join them—that is, political liberty only retained at the state's pleasure).
Charles SWVA Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 6:32 AM
Liberals/Progressives/Democrats/Fascist/Socialist/Communists are cut from the same cloth and are indistinguishable each from the other. Everyone of them works to suppress the freedom of non-believers. The government imposed by their ilk is merely a matters of accident in its severity against freedom.
Dancing Bear Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 1:36 AM
I agree, not sure where author got that from. There is nothing positive about it. At all. Jonah seemed for a moment to grant the premise that Obamacare might be more compassionate.

Puleaze! That is how W. got us to where we are now.

The late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously remarked that, "The central conservative truth is that it is culture, not politics, that determines the success of a society. The central liberal truth is that politics can change a culture and save it from itself."

I've always liked that quote, but I think it misleads. That two plus two equals four is not a conservative truth or a liberal truth. It's simply the truth. (Moynihan himself recognized this when he even more famously said that people are entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts.)

Regardless, it's true that...