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Obama Debates Himself

athomas616 Wrote: Jun 20, 2013 7:56 AM
I just have this to ask and I am really surprised no one else has asked it yet... If all you are doing is looking at phone records, not listening in on calls, and you know enough to look at the phone records of one or two people out of millions, why could you not get a warrant just for the records of those one or teo numbers as opposed to EVERY Verizon customer? And if you're not listening in, how do you make a connection between phone numbers and terror plots? Do you run the numbers through a database and see if a name pops up and then you listen in? I mean, how would this even work. On it's face, there is NO WAY you can just look at phone records and know to stop a terrorist plot. Wake up folks! At any rate, I always think we should err on the side of freedom. As Ben Franklin said, "Those who would sacrifice essential liberty for temporary security, do not deserve, nor shall they have, either."
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Government's War

athomas616 Wrote: Jun 19, 2013 2:14 PM
Michael, Where is your proof or historical background that those things would be increased. If we look at Prohibition, (and yes, McGovern, were can use it as a comparison, especially when it comes to marijuana) we saw violence and deaths due to alcohol INCREASE. When it was repealed, these rates reduced to WWI levels. The Cato Institute did a wonderful report and analysis on Prohibition and its effects. You should read it sometime. Cheers!
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Government's War

athomas616 Wrote: Jun 19, 2013 11:01 AM
With drugs legalized we could drastically reduce our prison populations. The following statistics obtained from Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, by way of DrugWarFacts.org: Total Federal Prisoners 2004 = 170,535 Total State Prisoners 2004 = 1,244,311 Percent of federal prisoners held for drug law violations = 55% Percent of state prisoners held for drug law violations = 21% Marijuana/hashish, Percent of federal drug offenders, 2004 = 12.4% Marijuana/hashish, Percent of state drug offenders, 2004 = 12.7% (Total prisoners x percent drug law) x percent marijuana = "marijuana prisoners" Federal marijuana prisoners in 2004 = 11,630 State marijuana prisoners in 2004 = 33,186 Total federal and state marijuana prisoners in 2004 = 44,816 Note: These data only address people in prisons and thus exclude the 700,000+ offenders who may be in local jails because of a marijuana conviction. - See more at: http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/Prisons_and_Drugs#sthash.tgBBBaUT.dpuf
"If you are willing to sacrifice essential liberty for temporary security you do not deserve, nor shall you have either." It was wrong when Bush did it. It's wrong now. It is a violation of the 4th Amendment and no argument you make about it making us safer (show me the proof) can excuse a violation of my, or any other American's Constitutional Liberties.
Those who would sacrifice freedom for security do not deserve, nor shal they have, either.
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Gays Don’t Have a Right to Marriage

athomas616 Wrote: Mar 28, 2013 12:12 PM
Exactly my point James. Thank you!
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Gays Don’t Have a Right to Marriage

athomas616 Wrote: Mar 28, 2013 12:10 PM
Additionally, you premise of gays being allowed to marry members of the opposite sex is a fallacy called ignoantio elenchi or irrelevant conclusion. Just because they have the ability to marry the opposite sex, why does that preclude them from being able to (since you don't like the term marry) enter into a civil union that holds the legal protections of a marriage?
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Gays Don’t Have a Right to Marriage

athomas616 Wrote: Mar 28, 2013 12:06 PM
I have read Genesis, thank you. You are misinterpreting my intention. Why are they not allowed to enter into a civil union? To receive the benefits such as jointly filed taxes and combining health insurance coverage to save money? We don't have to call it marriage. Additionally, this is a debate about constitutionality and legality. Religion should not play a role. Also, your argument that I am misusing the 9th amendment, how do I do this. Here is the text verbatum:"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people ". You are arguing from personal incredulity and not from any logical basis. Please elaborate.
I think the problem is that people were told their health premiums would not increase when of course, anyone who could do basic math could see this was impossible. However, a couple of solutions to drop the price or at least stem the tide would be allowing the purchase of Health Insurance across state lines and making a monetary cap on malpractice lawsuits. Increases competition and lowers the cost of malpractice insurance premium which do get passed on to the consumer. The main problem I had was with the mandatory coverage. That was a nod to the big insurance companies who stand to make a lot more money under this law even with the additional claims as the costs will still get passed on to us as consumers.
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Gays Don’t Have a Right to Marriage

athomas616 Wrote: Mar 28, 2013 11:24 AM
Absolutely agree with you on all fronts.
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