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NAACP Requires Photo I.D. to See Holder Speak in State Being Sued Over Voter ID

Anthony74 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 3:07 PM
I guess Holder feels that "the Media" is smarter than black and hispanic voters? Since when does the color of my skin mean I don't have the BRAINS to get a FREE I.D. from my state? I'm sick of Holder and others thinking I'm stupid because I'm Black or Hispanic. An idiot can get an I.D. STOP calling me and my family stupid!
wtmoore1 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 3:59 PM
It's not that you are unable to do it, it's that it comes at a cost, as well as transportation to get the ID and possibly taking time off of a wage/hr job to get to the office when it's open. So it isn't a question of knowledge, it's a question of having the money and time to do it --and for some people on the low end of the economic spectrum, that can create great difficulty. And since this requirement will act to keep poor people away from the polls, it will disproportionately affect those in minority communities.

Is this honestly that difficult a concept? If you make it hard enough for poor people to vote, then they just won't vote. It isn't like they have to do it. So the more requirements, the less likely the poor are represented.
autumnday Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 4:21 PM
Why is it a difficult concept for you to understand that voting is a right for legal citizens of this country and that there are so many illegal citizens, that it's important for people to have to PROVE their citizenship? Florida has already proven that there are illegal citizens WHO HAVE VOTED on their voting rolls. Do you think that's an isolated incident? I seriously doubt it. There also have been videos made about how easy it is to vote for a dead person without voter I.D. laws. Do you not see that this is a problem?

Voting doesn't happen frequently and I find it hard to believe that if people TRULY wanted to vote, regardless of their race, age or financial status, they wouldn't find a way to get their I.D.'s and get to the polls.
wtmoore1 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 4:49 PM
No, autumn, I really don't think voter fraud is a widespread problem to the point that I am willing to enact laws that will disproportionately affect minority groups trying to vote. There is simply no evidence that elections are being swayed by fraudulent votes, and aside from a few isolated instances of voter registration fraud, I just haven't seen evidence to the contrary. Look, I agree that this is a step that one could take to better ensure that undocumented individuals are not voting as citizens, or people aren't voting under the names of others to record multiple votes--I just don't think the collateral consequences are worth it in this instance.

Voter ID laws damage the efficacy of the system far more than they help it.
John 760 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 4:58 PM
If that's the case why don't we just go door to door and have people vote that way....infact we will just go inside to have them vote then they wouldn't even have to get off the couch.

Rights don't guarentee you don't have to put any effort into it.
autumnday Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 4:59 PM
Can you show me the evidence (not speculated research) which shows that voter I.D. laws disproportionately affect minorities and the elderly? I'm seriously asking that question, not being a smartass. I've only read articles that speculated how it will affect minority groups, not proof. So if there is proof, I'd like to read it.

There has been evidence of fraudulent voting. Whether they sway elections or not is irrelevant. As for swaying elections, who knows for sure if they are or not because it's so hard to detect voter fraud considering that until now, in most states we haven't had to prove who we are.

autumnday Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 5:02 PM
I wanted to add but didn't have enough room:

As it stands ALL PEOPLE need I.D.'s to do many functions that aren't just limited to whites or affluent people. This is why I find it so hard to believe the studies that I've read. Also, as I mentioned, if someone TRULY wants to vote, they'll make it happen.
ljk76 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 3:12 PM
Exactly. Just like any village idiot can but health insurance if they don't have any and stop going to the emergency room because they don't. I hope they have BRAINS.
Dread Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 3:37 PM
[Just like any village idiot can but health insurance if they don't have any and stop going to the emergency room because they don't.]

You haven't actually shopped for insurance on the individual market have you?

First, you can't really have a pre-existing condition. Prior to the ACA passage, you'd be denied everywhere you applied. If you were fortunate to have a job where an employer provided insurance, your condition would not be covered for a year.

Secondly, depending on how much the employer pays, insurance for a family of four with a moderate deductible can range from $500-800 monthly or higher for HMOs. This is not affordable for many folks.

I thank God every day that a:) I still have a job and b.) make enough to afford it.
Petrus64 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 3:47 PM
Yes... having a job is key to buying insurance.

Too bad we're in the worst recovery ever recorded and business owners polled show about 75% of them will avoid hiring if possible due to the ACA.
autumnday Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 3:59 PM
Employer provided insurance doesn't automatically make you wait 12 months for your pre-existing condition to be covered. HIPAA has regulations placed on pre-existing conditions which take into account when your last treatment/visit/advice for the condition was and also if you've had a lapse in coverage.

Not only that, but I've NEVER worked for an employer where I was asked about my health or any pre-existing conditions. The only time I ever had the pre-existing condition limitation apply was when I purchased individual coverage.

Also, if you think that under ACA, a family of four will have their coverage be any cheaper, you're sadly mistaken. My husband and several friends have already seen their premiums increase due to the ACA.

Earlier today, Attorney General Eric Holder addressed the NAACP Nation Convention at the George R. Brown Convention Center in Houston, Texas. What did media need in order to attend? That's right, government issued photo identification (and a second form of identification too!), something both Holder and the NAACP stand firmly against when it comes to voting. Holder's DOJ is currently suing Texas for "discriminatory" voter ID laws. From the press release:

All media must present government-issued photo I.D. (such as a driver’s license) as well as valid media credentials. Members of the media must RSVP to receive press...

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