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Beware Electronic Voting

Anthony305 Wrote: Oct 03, 2012 10:58 AM
The punch-card ballots were cheap, simple, secure, easy to count and provided a hard copy, in case of recount; the best system so far devised. Electronic voting is open to all sorts of technical problems and is an invitation to fraud and manipulation. We need to go back to what works.
Jay Wye Wrote: Oct 03, 2012 11:09 AM
ARE YOU KIDDING? punch cards were krap. the punches often fell out on their own,from being handled.
The best way is optically read paper ballots.

although I'd prefer an Internet based,public-private key voting system,that prints out a paper ballot for hard copy verification and recounts(optically read)and emails you a receipt showing how you voted.
Jay Wye Wrote: Oct 03, 2012 11:14 AM
You would also no longer need to use paper absentee ballots,servicemen could vote on voting day,and it would stop snowbirds from voting in two states.
you would still have to register in person,and you would only receive your public key after it was cross checked against state lists.during registration,you'd choose your private key.or it could be generated by the computer for you. There would not be enough time to hack such a system on voting day.
geotay Wrote: Oct 03, 2012 2:47 PM
Jay-
How does something that is not pre-cut, or perforated, 'fall out on their own'?
geotay Wrote: Oct 03, 2012 2:48 PM
Jay-
How does something that is not pre-cut, or perforated, 'fall out on their own'?
Jay Wye Wrote: Oct 03, 2012 5:40 PM
that IS what happened in 2000,in Florida,when they used the old computer punch cards. I've never used one of those systems,so I wouldn't know personally,that is what the newspapers reported,at the time. Ever hear of the term "hanging chad"? Some of the cards had both candidates punched out,some had none punched,some were partial punches. It was a disaster.
RyanM Wrote: Oct 03, 2012 5:45 PM
It is a disaster to allow stupid people to vote.
geotay Wrote: Oct 03, 2012 11:02 PM
Jay-
IBM cards are 'solid' until punched. Sometimes the punch gets worn and does not do a good job. And, or, if you 'slightly' punch and change your mind and then puch some other number the 'slight' punch may be a 'hanger'. I don't know how they would deal with this sort of thing at the polls, but there should be some way to get a new card if there has been a snafu.

What I saw in the Florida situation was a case of the Gore folks were looking for anything they could find to rescue a loser.
RyanM Wrote: Oct 03, 2012 11:14 PM
There is in Georgia. The poll worker write "spoiled" the ballot, notes this on the provisional numbered list of voters and issues a new ballot. Once again, the problem in Florida was due to imbecilic voters who had no business voting in the first place. I would imagine it is done in a similar manner elsewhere.

To paraphrase 15th Century Dutch Philosopher Erasmus’ well-known characterization of women -- "technology, can't live with it, can't live without it." Ever since the debacle that was the vote counting in Florida a dozen years ago, virtually every jurisdiction in the country has moved away from some form of manual voting machine to embrace the technology of electronic voting ("e-voting" for short).

Yet, as states and local elections offices have spent millions of taxpayer dollars to institute e-voting, little attention has been paid the potential dangers inherent in this form of vote counting. Indeed, even as many Republican voters and...