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Pope Francis -- Against the West?

Anonymous2834 Wrote: Mar 15, 2013 12:21 PM
"One hears that President Obama will send to the official installation of the Holy Father to represent America our ranking Catholic officeholders, Vice President Joe Biden, along with former Speaker Nancy Pelosi." It's hard to imagine a greater insult to Catholics than Obama sending two faux Catholics to represent the U.S. Of course, this is parr for the Obama course.
Dobermite Wrote: Mar 15, 2013 12:32 PM
And make no mistake about it, Obama is specifically doing this for that reason.

This is yet another passive/aggressive slap in the face to the Catholic church and Christendom as a whole that is so typical of Obama and the liberal elites.

Thats why I hope the Vatican sends message to DC that these heretics of the faith are not welcome and will not be received by the Pope. It will never happen, but I can dream.
liberty not license Wrote: Mar 15, 2013 12:53 PM
Dmite,
May I gently say, too, that the original "Christendom" pre-dates Evangelicalism by centuries and was in fact a culture created by Catholics? "Culture," after all, at its root grows out of Faith and is at its service -- music, art, architecture, for instance, grow out of and have their highest expression when at the service of the "cult," ie religious service.
Dobermite Wrote: Mar 15, 2013 1:27 PM
I agree again, LNL, I do not take the position that some Protestants take that the whole history of the Catholic church is ripe with corruption and false doctrines. I know there was corruption in the church in antiquity, as well as today, but its also true that the church carried the banner for Christendom throughout most of antiquity and in many ways we owe it to the Catholic church that Christianity became the dominant religion of the west, and yes, that means Western Civilization/Christian Culture as well.

I'm also a fan of the Knights of the Roundtable and the early Crusaders to the Holy Land defending Christendom against the Islamists, in many ways I regret that we don't have that same spirit in the church today ...
Dobermite Wrote: Mar 15, 2013 1:28 PM
... as our Christian brothers and sisters in the Middle East and Africa are being systematically raped and tortured and killed by Islamists.
Dobermite Wrote: Mar 15, 2013 1:34 PM
The ancient church, post Constantine, would NEVER have allowed our Christian brothers and sisters to be persecuted this way. They would have declared Holy War on the Islamists and did whatever is necessary to put a stop to it.
liberty not license Wrote: Mar 15, 2013 1:52 PM
You know, the persecution of our fellow Christians in those areas is an abomination that grieves and angers me deeply. Not to go all Bush bashing here, because I am not a Bush hater, but I am bewildered by his apparent indifference and lack of action in regards to the plight of the Iraqi Christians who are being systematically persecuted since we went into Iraq. I expect nothing from Obama, but Bush professed to be a believing Christian and I believe him: how then, could he ignore the suffering and exodus and martyrdom of one of the oldest Christian communities in the world? Some even still spoke Aramaic , if I am remembering correctly -- the very language of Christ!
Dobermite Wrote: Mar 15, 2013 2:11 PM
Indeed it is sickening and one day those who were in a position to do something about it, and did nothing, particularly those who call themselves Christians, will have to stand before Christ and explain their indifference, knowing that his people were suffering.

As Christ said, when you care for the least of his children we care for him, and when we don't, you we are indifferent to his suffering. Thats the way Christ sees it and we know that because he told us so in the scriptures. We cannot be indifferent to the suffering and persecution of our Christian brothers and sisters abroad. That is a great sin and the same as being indifferent to the suffering of Christ.
Dobermite Wrote: Mar 15, 2013 2:12 PM
Indeed it is sickening and one day those who were in a position to do something about it, and did nothing, particularly those who call themselves Christians, will have to stand before Christ and explain their indifference, knowing that his people were suffering.

As Christ said, when you care for the least of his children we care for him, and when we don't, you we are indifferent to his suffering. Thats the way Christ sees it and we know that because he told us so in the scriptures. We cannot be indifferent to the suffering and persecution of our Christian brothers and sisters abroad. That is a great sin and the same as being indifferent to the suffering of Christ.
CeCe5 Wrote: Mar 15, 2013 2:28 PM
Today the West invites the Islamists into our country and approve of their culture and religion so that we can claim the highest of all virtues, tolerance of the other.
CeCe5 Wrote: Mar 15, 2013 2:36 PM
Can you see any force today acting as Don Juan of Austria and the Holy League at the Battle of Lepanto?
Dobermite Wrote: Mar 16, 2013 9:00 AM
Absolutely right, CC, and to your question, absolutely not.
dreadnaught/13 Wrote: Mar 18, 2013 3:19 PM

Leaving out Obama, for the moment;

I wondered Dobie; if you were stupid. Now it's very obvious, judged by your stupid posts.

"The Faith is Europe. And Europe is the Faith," wrote Hilaire Belloc after that bloodbath we call World War I. "Either Europe will return to the Faith or she will perish."

By 1938, Belloc concluded Christian Europe was done:

"The bad work begun at the Reformation is bearing its final fruit in the dissolution of our ancient doctrines -- the very structure of society is dissolving." He was right. Europe is the dying continent.

And looking back at the history of the Old Continent, we see the truth of G.K. Chesterton's insight: When men cease to believe in God, they do...