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Reconciling Roe v. Wade

Anominus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 11:20 AM
@Gilchrist: "A fetus at 8 weeks does not feel pain because the necessary neural pathways to sense pain do not yet exist." So, if your nerves were somehow temporarily severed in an accident to the point where pain no longer registered, does that make you something less than human? "If you confer the status of person at the instant of fertilization, this "person" has no connection to the woman and is free to leave without establishing a pregnancy for about 22 days." The obvious connection is that the woman is the mother of the child. The child had no choice in its production. Your idiotic argument would excuse infanticide as the child and mother have even less "connection" after birth.
Gilchrist Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 10:32 AM
Interesting, your rejoinder remains, but my original comments have been deleted. So much for any claims of objectivity by Townhall. As for your argument, it is non-nonsensical The original poster attempted to make a point by.falsely claiming a 8-week gestational fetus feels pain. If a premise is negated, so is the argument. Now you question if a fetus any less human for its inability to feel pain. Well certainly it is no less human (adjective) or more bovine or porcine, but that is not the issue. Please note, we transplant living tissue from a dead human (noun) to live humans. Living tissue does not make the donor any less dead. The fact a fetus is constituted of live tissue does not make it any more alive either.
Anominus Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 1:16 PM
"As for your argument, it is non-nonsensical"

In other words, "sensical"? lol

"Now you question if a fetus any less human for its inability to feel pain."

Actually, the question was whether "ability to feel pain" is necessary in defining a human. I notice you did not answer my question regarding what we should consider you if you were temporarily unable to feel pain. A human fetus will never become a cow or a pig, and, BTW, those fetal woodcarvings have long been proven false.

"The fact a fetus is constituted of live tissue does not make it any more alive either."

Except that a fetus is not a component organ, it is a separate organism according to the biological definition.
Anominus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 11:28 AM
"Establishing a pregnancy is a separate physical assault. I believe a woman is entitled to use deadly force to repel this assault every much as she is entitled to use deadly force to repel a rape."

Once again, the child had no choice in its creation - in 99% of pregnancies, the parents did have a choice in whether they engaged in sex, and therefore, responsibility lies with the parents. Using "deadly force" against an unborn child is no different from shooting a mugging victim who gets thrown into your backyard after being beaten up by gangbangers in the back alley. Neither one has any choice in the matter, but both are "violating your privacy."
Jimsd55 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 12:01 PM
So if you're a man and you were gang raped ... should you also be forced to wear a shirt proclaiming the violation of your privacy for 9 months?
DCM in FL Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 12:04 PM
"So if you're a man and you were gang raped ... should you also be forced to wear a shirt proclaiming the violation of your privacy for 9 months?"

LOL - "Pro-choice" arguments keep getting more desperate!!

It's tough opposing basic reality, isn't it?
Jimsd55 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 12:15 PM
Not at all, the basic reality is there are a few things in human nature that trumps religion every time, as in alcohol ... they tried to make it illegal but that experiment barely lasted a dozen years. The same with the war on drugs, states are now realizing the futility and waste of time and money so they are relaxing their policies. Abortion has only been illegal in the US from 1870-1970 ... for most of the time it has been tolerated and even when it wasn't, it continued in the back alley. Who knows how far off Bob's numbers really are?
Anominus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 12:55 PM
"Abortion has only been illegal in the US from 1870-1970 ... for most of the time it has been tolerated and even when it wasn't, it continued in the back alley. Who knows how far off Bob's numbers really are?"

Actually, abortion prior to quickening was considered a misdemeanor for the woman and the doctor - after quickening it was considered a felony. That was according to English Common law - the basis of our legal system. This was changed in 1870, due to scientific advancements which revealed that life existed in the womb prior to quickening, making abortion a felony at all times - or at least until a leftist judge invented a "penumbral emanation" to justify baby butchery.
Anominus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 12:58 PM
"So if you're a man and you were gang raped ... should you also be forced to wear a shirt proclaiming the violation of your privacy for 9 months?"

Did the shirt appear there as a natural biological response? More importantly, should the victim be permitted to murder an innocent person if it alleviates his own suffering?
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 10:34 PM
Not unless you were the victim, Jim.
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 10:36 PM
And, evidently, killing innocent people is one of them as far as you're concerned, Jim.

Roe v. Wade, the SCOTUS decision that legalized abortion in the United States, marks a dubious 40th anniversary on Tuesday, January 22, 2013.  According to published data by the Guttmacher Institute more than 55 million abortions have been performed during the last four decades. 

Abortion -- and those children who were never born – exist in a place that is primarily out-of-sight and out-of-mind.  Although legally protected, abortion is among the few unspeakables in American society.  Thus, comprehending the impact on American society is even more difficult.  In a sense, it is hard to understand that which you...