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'Fiscal' Conservatism Needs 'Social' Conservatism

Anominus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 4:23 PM
"DOMA is unconstitutional and oppressive. Most social coservatives are political liberals who want to use the force of govt to impose their views on others." DOMA was actually a response to the fact that if homosexuals were able to redefine marriage in one state, they would seek to force other states, particularly those with laws against homosexual unions, to accept their false "marriage." There was nothing unconstitutional about it as it did not prevent the states from forming their own laws, it simply prevented the federal government from recognizing homosexual "marriage."
Anominus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 5:00 PM
Once again, DOMA simply prevented the feds from recognizing homosexual unions - it did not prevent the states from passing laws redefining marriage however they pleased.
wmou Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 4:56 PM
The 14th amendment did not negate the 9th and 10th amendments. If the feds told me I could not marry my wife, I would marry her anyway. If a state wants to recognize marriages, the feds cannot interfere. Legal terms are always defined in legislation, and each state is free to write their own laws. A few contracts agreed upon in one state transfers to others, others do not. Gun permits are a prime example. But the insistence that marriage is a fed issue will put it in the USSC which will dictate the definition of marriage, and most people of faith will not be happy
Anominus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 4:42 PM
If you don't mind, wmou, what in particular about DOMA was in violation of the 14th Amendment?
wmou Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 4:39 PM
Then a Constitutional Amendment was necessary. If congress was concerned about protecting our constitutional rights, but like all good liberals, big govt republicans pull out the 14th amendment and insist that fed power is near unlimited.
For some years now, we have been told about a major division within American conservatism: fiscal conservatives vs. social conservatives.

This division is hurting conservatism and hurting America -- because the survival of American values depends on both fiscal and social conservatism. Furthermore, the division is logically and morally untenable. A conservative conserves all American values, not just economic ones.

By "social conservatism," I am referring to the second and third components of what I call the American Trinity -- liberty, "In God We Trust" and "E Pluribus Unum."

It is worth noting that a similar bifurcation does not exist on the left. One...

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