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It's the Middle Class, Stupid

Andy544 Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 12:04 PM
Unless the GOP turns to 'small government' and Constitutional values, the GOP is FINISHED as a political force. The American people have 'had it up to here' with the RINO 'pretenders' the GOP has tried to 'palm off' as conservative candidates on the conservative base. MILLIONS of conservative voters 'stayed home' this election, and gave Obama the election, rather than participate in the GOP 'phony conservative farce' any longer. Why settle for a pale, watered-down version of the Democratic party when you can get the REAL THING?
para_dimz Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 10:56 PM
Can't see the GOP making the leap. I propose we pick four small states to elect a libertarian in the Senate. Denying either major party a simple majority gives the libertarians the balance of power but no ability to run rogue. Might not work amd certainly will have its moments. But its the easiest way to wrest power from the major parties stuck in their current unworkable forms.
Cardinal5671 Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 12:31 PM
So by your logic. The blame goes not to the GOP but to the "true conservatives" who voted FOR Obama by staying home.
Andy544 Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 12:49 PM
That's like saying the responsibility for the demise of the Ford Pinto was the millions of consumers who refused to buy it! Try reading the post one more time, slowly...
ScienceSquid Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 1:03 PM
Sorry, Andy, you can't escape reality. If you stayed home and didn't vote for Romney, you helped get Obama elected. I understand how putrid a candidate Romney was to a lot of conservatives, but it's hard to see how we as a country are going to win by losing. People used the same argument with McCain, and now Obamacare is here to stay, as well as all those regulations that Obama passes by fiat, despite those 2010 house gains. Not to mention the situation in the middle east - enjoy that post-American world of Obama.
Cardinal5671 Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 1:03 PM
Any conservative that did not vote in this last election should be ashamed of themselves. There is NO excuse for it.
Andy544 Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 2:44 PM
You don't 'get it', do you, Cardinal? There AIN'T no 'conservatives' in this political charade being played out by the DNC and the GOP. The 'lesser of two evils' is STILL EVIL. Millions have 'opted out' and are going to let the Keynesian farce play out to its logical destination. No more 'shine ons' by the GOP!
WestTexan Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 3:38 PM
You could say that. If you do not vote, you cannot complain. I voted AGAINST the Obamanation, not particularly for Romney.
WestTexan Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 3:38 PM
the analogy doesn't fly... or roll.
WestTexan Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 3:40 PM
yep, "cutting off your nose, to spite your face" was the route to losing, to ensure the evil Obamanation his minions and the despicably wicked Reidovich remains in power.
WestTexan Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 3:41 PM
I agree. I wasn't voting "for" a Mormon, any more than I voted "for" a Methodist (W), I voted against Muslim fraud (okay, a Marxist fraud).
WestTexan Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 3:43 PM
Nonparticipatory "democracy" is forbidden in by the State, get on board, vote for the other troll... sheesh. I do understand your reasoning, but we are also to be responsible too. Don't vote, don't bravo-india-tango-charlie-hotel, at all.
Andy544 Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 3:57 PM
no one's bravo tango whatever, here, Texan. I was 'responsible' TWICE, and voted like a loyal conservative 'sheeple' for GW Bush until the 'bravo sierra' (sticking with the military terminology) on NUMEROUS fronts, both domestic and foreign, piled up so HIGH it couldn't be ignored any longer. If I want a Keynesian, big government socialist, I will vote for one who doesn't make any 'bones' about it....not one who hides his agenda behind patriotic 'bromides'
Roy323 Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 4:21 PM
West TX-"I voted against the Obamanation, not particularly for Romney"-So did I, but I VOTED-that was the only action I was INSISTING on Conservatives doing in my ranting about my past transgressions (the Perot Fiasco). I'm positive a HUGE number of registered GOP Folk DID NOT vote and we will ALL pay for that in coming years! But everyone has the RIGHT to exercise self values in the ballot box!
para_dimz Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 11:03 PM
I abstained from voting for McCain in '08. So I know your motivation. However, a Romney win coupled with a House majority would have been a conservative wind at everybody's back. Now we see Boehner maneuvering to neutralize the thrust of the 2010 elections faster than you can count votes in Florida. You just inadvertently gave the Rockefellar wing of the party the room to jointly expand government with the Dems.

And so it begins, like clockwork.

After an election defeat of significant proportions for the "truce strategy," GOP elites appear prepared to double-down on kicking out the social issues.

This week, Karl Rove appeared on stage in Naples, Fla., with James Carville in a rather dramatic jousting over the meaning of the across-the-board rejection of the Republican brand this election cycle.

According to Real Clear Politics, "Rove, shuffling through a red folder of election data in his lap, agreed that the GOP in 2016 should nominate 'a modernist' who can discuss an issue such as abortion by adroitly acknowledging the realities of the law...