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God Will Not Be Mocked

Andy544 Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 11:37 AM
"Therefore the redeemed of the Lord shall return and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy shall be upon their heads: they shall obtain gladness and joy; and sorrow and mourning shall flee away." Isaiah 51:11 I am finishing "The Harbinger" by Jonathan Cahn, a Messianic, born-again Jew. Fascinating reading for any who would like insight into what's occurring in America. 9/11 was God's 'wake up call' to America to repent. America, as a nation failed to do so. Exactly 7 years after 9/11, the Financial markets collapsed (Sept.2008)- an event we are still dealing with. America has STILL not repented. I fear for America- and those who refuse to repent- when God takes it to the 'next level', in 2015 (or sooner)
MikefromDE Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 11:50 AM
Andy: Now that’s what I’m talking about: part of your god’s “'wake up call' to America to repent” was to kill over 3,000 people including children as young as 2 and 3. It’s no wonder folks like you feel compelled to force me to live by your religion; your god might strike you dead at any moment despite have dedicated your life to serving him.
Whitebeard Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 12:07 PM
Mike: None of us "feel compelled to force" you to believe that Yeshua is Messiah; that is our "religion." Personally, I would like to force you to stop murdering unborn babies...and religion has little to do with that. Secondly, killing people (...as you claim Andy implied Yahweh had done) and using a human tragedy for some greater purpose are quite distinct - but you knew that, didn't you.
Andy544 Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 12:13 PM
"Having a form of godliness, but denying its true power- from such turn away." 2nd Timothy 3:5
Mike, you need a personal, born again by the Spirit relationship with Jesus Christ. Your 'priests' and the false doctrine of your church will not save you. Start reading the Scriptures, and cry out to their Author to reveal Himself to you. Men will not save you. Only HE can. DO you KNOW HIM and have a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with HIM?
MikefromDE Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 12:17 PM
White: Andy wrote “9/11 was God's 'wake up call' to America to repent.”
Your attempt to find some alternative meaning to that sentence shows you are either desperate or irrational.
Jack2894 Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 12:20 PM
WHite, you have no intention of stopping abortion. You do like to think you do, and you do like to pretend its important, but in fact, you arent' willing to sacrafice anything to stop it.
Whitebeard Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 12:24 PM
Mike: Big words, sir. You understand my point. Every day, parents use the results of an unfortunate accident/incident to teach their kids how to live a better or safer life. Correctly perceiving an ellipsis (which is what I was trying to do) and "finding an alternative meaning" are not the same thing.
MikefromDE Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 12:32 PM
Andy: thanks for the advice but I already have a personal relationship with God. The main difference between us is that my ideology is based upon the work, study, prayer, mediation and debate of thousands of people over thousands of years while yours is based upon what some guy named Andy conveniently finds compliant with his political ideology and personal view of the world.
Andy544 Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 12:34 PM
Mike, I notice you didn't answer the question I gave to you in my 12:13 post... I ask you to honestly consider that question...
Jack2894 Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 12:45 PM
Your point is easily understood, but you appear to be ignoring Mike's point. Andy's comment is part of a long string of conservative claims that God is specifically and intentionally punishing the US to send a message. The belief that God's will is at work in every act leads inescapably to teh conclusion that God at worst visits suffering on innocent people or at best allows it to happen. Teh CHristian God, as evidenced here on TH, is a pyschopath.
Whitebeard Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 12:56 PM
Jack: If you have kids, you might have let them fall once or twice to learn how to ride a bike. If Yahweh withdraws protection (e.g. takes off the safety wheels), we are more likely to suffer painful consequences...but, also, might learn from the experience. Since you don't know "the Christian God," I question your standing to diagnose Him as "a psychopath."
Whitebeard Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 1:01 PM
Jack: That's some power you have there, sir...knowing my intentions vis a vis abortion.
MikefromDE Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 1:08 PM
Andy: I wrote at 12:32, “I already have a personal relationship with God”. And to have a personal relationship with Him, it is implicit that I know Him; perhaps better than you do.
MikefromDE Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 1:09 PM
White: That is all beside the point. You are now equivocating. I was responding to a direct quote from Andy. It is you that wrote, “(...as you claim Andy implied Yahweh had done)”. At which point, I showed that there was no implication about it. Now you either agree with Andy or you don’t. It’s as simple as that.
Andy544 Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 2:27 PM
Mike: I sense your 'personal relationship' with Jesus and God is based upon your relationship with your 'priests', the Pope, and all the other false doctrines and teachings of YOUR church, which Revelation 17 calls "Mystery, Babylon the Great, mother of harlots".
MikefromDE Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 2:50 PM
Andy: No, like all personal relationships, it is based on my heart. It is impossible to have otherwise. But thus we find how poor sense things. And unfortunately, it is with this sense that you make a personal Revelation of the Word. Yes, many of your type hold the RCC in such disregard as it opposes your way of making it up as you go along. Tell us, has your personal faith ever run contrary to your political ideology?

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