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The Next Sexual Revolution Has Arrived

Andy440 Wrote: Jul 17, 2012 4:17 PM
Nothing 'new' about 'the Next Sexual Revolution'. It's as old as the culture that existed prior to the Great Flood, and as antiquated as Sodom and Gomorrah before the fire fell. I see that the usual assortment of god-haters, mockers, and skeptics are showing up in this conversation thread. These folks are dreadfully afraid someone is going to tell them they can't roll around in the mud and behave like animals. No worries, guys! Even God Himself isn't requiring you to believe something, or do something, you really don't want to do! Party on! But be advised- the Storm is coming. "As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the Son of Man. They did eat, they drank, they MARRIED WIVES, they were given in marriage, (continued)
Andy440 Wrote: Jul 17, 2012 4:18 PM
"until the day Noah entered the Ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all." Luke 17:26-27)
David3036 Wrote: Jul 17, 2012 4:29 PM
...presumably including the children. And you think God is a "merciful" god?
Andy440 Wrote: Jul 17, 2012 4:49 PM
Merciful AND Just. Merciful enough to send His Son to die a criminal's death on a Roman cross for OUR sins; and Just enough to punish those who refuse His offer of salvation and forgiveness thru the blood shed by His Son on that Cross. Jesus Christ is God's 'Ark' of salvation for a lost and dying and sinful world. The 'door' is STILL 'open'. Come into the Ark. It is about to start raining.
David3036 Wrote: Jul 17, 2012 7:31 PM
Except that nobody has ever really been able to give a clear explanation of why it was necessary for God (who is, inexplicably, his own son) to "die" on the cross, or just how that absolves us of our sin. If we can still go to Hell for our sins, how did his "death" do anything for us? How does one person's suffering help another person avoid suffering? And if he lives, as you all believe, then he really didn't die, did he?

God could easily forgive sin without all that suffering, so the crucifixion was simply a metaphor for the animal sacrifices that earlier generations thought God wanted. (Today they would be arrestef for animal cruelty). Do you really think your "loving" and "just" god is so bloodthirsty?
Undoctrinator Wrote: Jul 17, 2012 9:38 PM
alright. that's it. you're goin' to hell . . . but actually, David, there is the case where the soldier jumps on the grenade (suffers) and it helps his comrades avoid suffering. Or the secret service guy jumps in the way to save the protectee, etc. But yeah, you'd think god could've righted all these wrongs without ANYONE suffering.
jlindquist Wrote: Jul 17, 2012 10:07 PM
Here's the explanation: God is holy and cannot except anything less than His own perfect righteous standards. God is also just and therefore He must punish sin. God cannot just look the other way because then He would be condoning unrighteousness. Sin must be punished by God if He is to be just Himself. Being just Himself God must punish sin and therefore sin has a penalty and that penalty is death and eternal separation from God. Jesus Christ became God in the flesh and He perfectly fulfilled God's law therefore enabling Him to take the penalty for our sin upon Himself on His cross of death. Jesus Christ became the substitute for sinners on the cross taking their penalty upon Himself and therefore satisfying God's righteous standards.

Undoctrinator Wrote: Jul 17, 2012 10:12 PM
and now you know why jesus mercilessly beat mary magdelene and the woman at the well. they were sinners and had to be punished and he couldn't let that go. same with the adulterous woman who was about to be stoned. he shamed all the stone-throwers into leaving and then he gave her a good kick in the head. and it was just. cuz she sinned and he couldn't let that go unpunished. right?
jlindquist Wrote: Jul 17, 2012 10:25 PM
You couldn't possibly have read my post and come away with that conclusion unless you completely missed what I said about Jesus Himself taking the punishment for our sins upon Himself therefore completely satisfying God the Father's righteous standards. This is not Jesus handing out punishment but dying in the place of sinners and taking the punishment that they deserved upon Himself.
David3036 Wrote: Jul 18, 2012 4:19 AM
Just look at all the tortuous explanations for the biblical stuff that doesn't make any sense. This is why you should read the Bible in solitary, not in Bible-study class where all the nonsense and the contradicstions are explained away.

If you read it by yourself, there's no way you con come to the conclusion that it's the word of God. You are fed these ridiculous explanations that were simply made up by some theologian, and then you think,.. aha, that's why Jesus had to die (or not, if he's still alive somewhere).

Religious devotion is simply getting stuck in a childlike state of mind in which you never learn to think for yourself. You always need some "authority" to tell you what's right and wrong.
Undoctrinator Wrote: Jul 18, 2012 12:12 PM
Well, actually, what you wrote says an awful lot about god punishing folks. Now, if your contention is that he took on all of our sins and the punishment for them, then we're all in the clear. One would have to add into your post what Andy said above about god heaping eternal damnation (separation from him) on those who don't accept Christian belief. Believe it, accept its truth, you're in the clear. Be the skeptic, you're damned. No salvation for you. Believe = let the good times roll. Don't believe, you're damned. If you have some other clarification on that, I'd love to hear it. Let me know what authoritative source you got this all-important info from, too. Because if you're right, everyone's eternity depends on it.
Undoctrinator Wrote: Jul 18, 2012 12:13 PM
So the personal understanding of one no-doubt sincere believer is insufficient. Unless of course you also tell me that you've gotten this directly from god himself. In which case, I'm REALLY intrigued.
David3036 Wrote: Jul 18, 2012 3:16 PM
He must have gotten it from Pat Robertson, who has regular conversations with God.

When God punishes Haittians for their voodoo beliefs by visiting an earthquake on them, he tells Pat Robertson why he did it. And after 9/11, God told him and Jerry Falwell that we had it coming because we tolerate abortion and gay unions.

There is also David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam killer, who said God spoke to him through a dog -- but of course he's crazy, unlike Robertson and Falwell.They're assumed to be sane and therefore really ARE talking to God.

Does that clear things up?
David3036 Wrote: Jul 18, 2012 5:31 PM
My bad. I used to tell myself I would never mock someone's religion. But those TV preachers are just so easy to poke fun at that I just can't help myself.
Robert54 Wrote: Jul 18, 2012 10:51 PM
There is none good, no not one.
The heart of man is wicked from his youth.
The wicked go forth from the womb speaking lies.
The wages of sin is death.

In July, 2009, Newsweek ran a feature article on “relationships with multiple, mutually consenting partners,” entitled, “Polyamory: The Next Sexual Revolution.” Last week, Showtime launched a reality TV show called “Polyamory: Married and Dating.” To quote from Newsweek’s 2009 article, it’s “enough to make any monogamist’s head spin.” And all this, of course, is being touted as a great thing, a celebration of love and freedom, a deliverance from the monotony and constraints of monogamy.

The Showtime promo pulls no punches and makes no excuses:

Narrator: The polyamorous lifestyle may shock some. But with American divorce...