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The Malicious Mangling of the Virgin Mary

anderson659 Wrote: Nov 24, 2012 10:17 PM
Dread a last comment: Souls are immaterial, our bodies communicate senses. Death brings cessation of those senses, the soul departs the body. An immaterial soul can no longer hear from this temporal world or speak back to it. Deceased saints can not hear temporal messages of intercession on behalf of us, if they could hear the message, what could they do about it ? Saints were no different than any other faithful person when alive, what elevated them to a status of a preferred soul over a faithful soul? Dread, where in scripture is there a reference to saints? Can you point me to it?
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Nov 24, 2012 11:25 PM
In Phillipians 1 :21 Paul writes unmistakably his next life is in heaven. He talks v. :23 of "desiring to depart (die) and to be with Christ."

We know Christ is in heaven reigning at his Father's right hand. That is where Paul desires to go. Saints all go to be with Christ.

He isn't really going to be "deceased," anderson. Not in heaven. His body will stay behind, but he will live.

Will he hear other souls? Yes; as surely as God and His angels can hear them. Don't presume to say they can't. You don't have any idea what God grants saints once they are with Jesus.

Death as we know it now, leads to life in heaven for the saints.

Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Nov 24, 2012 11:50 PM

Hear a prayer . . . as surely as God and His angels can hear them. Saints hear whatever is addressed to them. Don't presume to say they can't.

I could explain in detail. you would understand a word, so skip it.

The explanation known as the "Beatific Vision of saints."

Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Nov 24, 2012 11:52 PM


Excuse, You wouldn't understand a word.
Rich D. Wrote: Nov 26, 2012 8:02 PM
Ah, so there IS death. Make up what little mind you have. Jesus DIED. Mary DIED. You will DIE.

Go ahead - argue that Mary didn't but Jesus did.
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Nov 26, 2012 9:14 PM


The truth is, Jesus said we'll never die. So; maybe you're the man to ask.

Not John the evangelist, or the Son of God. The Koine Greek really fires you up, Hm? You should have written a bible.

Rich D. Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 12:03 AM
Diversion. Stupid diversion at that. I suppose you can't do any better when you contradict yourself. So you both will and won't die. Do you see how foolish you are? - never mind - you don't.
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 2:06 AM

That's right. Your BS is boring.
Take the obelisk ride, Junior.

A Christian can be crushed gazing at the picture of Mary standing at the foot of the cross, watching her beloved son suffocate and die. But in that vision, she stands there for hours, patiently enduring her suffering. For two millennia, she has been a role model for Christians, a woman who practiced obedience in the most difficult of human circumstances, with fervent hope for what this sacrifice will offer all mankind as it struggles with sin.

This is why it seems so hard to reflect that vision of patience when black-hearted "artists" practice character assassination on the Blessed Virgin...