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The NRA: Representing More Than the Second Amendment

AmyDB Wrote: May 06, 2013 1:09 PM
Ericagain declaimed..... And you are incorrect. Some 25 - 50% of sales at gun shows are made by non-FFL sellers -- no background checks required in many states. That's a loophole big enough to drive a truck-full of terrorists or lunatics through. ______________ If that's your issue then outlaw any private sales of firearms _ANYWHERE_ Eric or block advertising in the classified adds of newspapers & the 'net for private sales of firearms. I, personally, wouldn't sell any of my weapons to anyone but a FFL dealer or someone who was known to me. But then that's just me.
ericagain Wrote: May 06, 2013 1:32 PM
Amy, you seem to be OK with background checks required of FFL dealers. What's the difference between them and private dealers?

I have not suggested that sales should be outlawed, only that certain people, as already mandated for FFL dealers, should not be buying guns through ANY channel.

When you fly commercial, you're subject to a security check, right? There are no "private" exceptions -- you want to fly, you get inspected. Same thing with gun background checks. This is not complicated or Constitutionally murky. And it would in no way impinge upon your or my rights.
beowulfe Wrote: May 06, 2013 2:11 PM
Last time I checked, flying on a commercial jet wasn't a constitutionally protected right, you lying sack of $h1t.
AmyDB Wrote: May 06, 2013 2:11 PM
There are no private _DEALERS_ eric. There are owners who wish to sell off privately owned property. Doesn't matter if it's firearms, fertilizer, land or vehicles.
If one is a dealer then one is licensed either at the federal level or the state level to ensure proper & just actions by those _DEALERS_.
I don't have a problem with someone selling privately owned property as they wish to whom they wish.
BTW you're wrong, if you own your own plane or you have a friend who owns a plane you do not have to go thru the security line to fly your plane or ride in a friend's plane.
My bytch is the infringement of the government into private ownership & the disposal of _PRIVATE_ property.
If a given person makes their living thru purchase & disposal of property then they should have to have a license as a dealer of said property.
Richard1988 Wrote: May 06, 2013 2:32 PM
if you want to fly private you don't.
scrow Wrote: May 06, 2013 3:48 PM
Whether you fly commercial or private, there is no protected right that you have to do so. The government can regulate and impede at will.

Whether you buy a gun privately or commercially, there _is_ a Constitutionally protected right that you have to do so. The government cannot impinge upon that.

You are correect that neither one is Constitutionally murky. But they are two different things. One is a right, one is not.
scrow Wrote: May 06, 2013 3:59 PM
I am a law-abiding citizen of sound mental health, who wishes to own a gun.

Why does the government need my name on file as a gun owner?

When talking about basic Constitutional rights, the onus falls on the government to show why they need to tamper with that right. The same with free speech, right to assemble, freedom to worship as one sees fits, and so on.

So far no argument has been presented that I can tell that answers this question.
scrow Wrote: May 06, 2013 4:06 PM
If having my name as a gun owner on a government list would have stopped the Newtown massacre, or _any_ shooting, I would gladly make the sacrifice and give up that aspect of my right. I think I can speak for the vast majority of people here, and in the NRA, who feel the same way.

But... it wouldn't.
scott s. Wrote: May 06, 2013 7:13 PM
There's no such thing as a private dealer. You must have a license to deal.
hboring Wrote: May 06, 2013 8:57 PM
And flying via private plane does not require the same infringement of rights as does commercial flying, which I refuse to do. Anyone whose main business involves the sales of firearms is required to have an FFL or antique collectors' license.

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