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amonk7 Wrote: Oct 02, 2012 9:46 AM
Jesus' teachings are far to the left of any major politician in office today. He told us to take care of the poor and oppressed including the sick and immigrants. He told us to end war, and he told us to be tolerant of the views and lifestyles of others. Jesus didn't say a word about abortion of homosexuality. It is the fundamentalist, social conservatives like Prager that are turning well intended spiritual seekers away from religion. Who wants to be like that? Jesus contradicted the social conservatives of his day, reserving some of his sharpest words or them.
1Falcon1 Wrote: Oct 02, 2012 11:52 AM
wrong jesus said WE not the government you moron
wmou Wrote: Oct 02, 2012 11:25 AM
Jesus would be considered a right-wing Evangelical Fundamentalist, by most of the left.
Why do liberals think using the force of govt to redistribute income has anything in common with Charity?
Dead Right Wrote: Oct 02, 2012 11:42 AM
Leftist's sense of charity always seems to begin with the envy of someone else's wealth.
amonk7 Wrote: Oct 02, 2012 11:55 AM
Do you really think so? Jesus was a revolutionary who overthrew the tables of the social conservatives. He inspired Dr Martin Luther King to turn against the war in Vietnam. He inspired Gandhi and Desmond Tutu as well as Liberation theologists including Oscar Romero who was killed by the same death-squad families who financed Bain Capital.

One of Jesus' 12 was a Zealot, a freedom fighter in modern terms.
Dead Right Wrote: Oct 02, 2012 11:19 AM
Oy vae.
Ever stop to think that your view of Jesus is nothing more than a reflection of your own values and personality and beliefs? Let Jesus correct your thinking rather than you making an interpretation of His words.
Liberalism is the enemy of all of the moral teachings of Jesus Christ. What you believe colors how you perceive.
ConcealedCarry Wrote: Oct 02, 2012 10:12 AM
amonk, Jesus told YOU and ME to take care of the poor. He said nothing about the government doing it.

BTW, Jesus believed life begins at conception; ever hear of "the Immaculate Conception?"
amonk7 Wrote: Oct 02, 2012 10:20 AM
Are you kidding? Where did Jesus say that?

Jesus would have been delighted to support universal medical care. The first Christian communities covered everyone's basic needs including health care, setting the standard for universal health care, which of course didn't exist even as an idea before Jesus.

You are also confusing literal truth with symbolic truth or you would never degrade the immaculate conception in such a way.
SOGAPreacher Wrote: Oct 02, 2012 10:29 AM
amonk7,

Jesus never spoke on a lot of what we consider social issues. He didn't have to. He said I and My Father are one. His Father has already spoken. Homosexuality and a myriad of other topics were covered in the Old Testament. This was the final and definitive on the subjects - nothing else need saying.
SOGAPreacher Wrote: Oct 02, 2012 10:30 AM
final and definitive word - sorry
amonk7 Wrote: Oct 02, 2012 11:21 AM
Jesus brought a changing of the gods. Yahweh isn't mentioned once in the Gospels. Jesus was an incarnation of the Holy Spirit, not Yahweh. Jesus prayed to the Father, not Yahweh.

Of course there is only one god, but with Jesus our conception of him changed from an eye for an eye to love.

Read the Gospels. It's all there.
Dead Right Wrote: Oct 02, 2012 11:22 AM
Yes and the early church discovered quickly that they needed to work and provide for their own and not allow for slothfulness.
James: Let him who steals, steal no longer that he may something to give to him who has need. Full circle, no government or church body claiming rights to another's property or work of their hands. That would be theft, based on envy. Thou shalt not covet.
wmou Wrote: Oct 02, 2012 11:26 AM
Charity at the point of a gun. Does not sound like Jesus to me. It sounds like totalitarian oppression to me.
Dead Right Wrote: Oct 02, 2012 11:40 AM
Perhaps you would prefer islam at the point of an RPG...
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Oct 02, 2012 3:20 PM

Sorry, Kids,

The Immaculate Conception is Mary's conception in her mother's womb: Immaculate; free from sin at the moment Mary was conceived. This is a revealed truth; not "symbolism."

The only difference in hers and our conceptions in a mother's womb; is we are born already in sin. This comes to us by NATURE; being descendants of Adam, the first sinner. We are made sinless once more by baptism into Jesus Christ. We know this because HE says so; and therein we must believe it.



Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Oct 02, 2012 3:25 PM

Not anywhere as you picture it.

The truth being; You don't understand half what you read in the Bible. You conjure up men's calculated error and call it the Scripture's meaning.

Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Oct 02, 2012 3:33 PM

The God of Israel indeed is Christ's Almighty Father Yahweh; the monotheistic name of Old Testament truth. Christ called Him Father. He said that His own followers must obey the commandments of his Father.

Since the Holy Spirit was sent down upon His Church in the world; and Jesus didn't call him Father, but our Paraclete; we know Yahweh is the Father.

During His agony in the garden Jesus prayed to His Father. In due time Jesus Himself OBEYED the Will of His Father. "Not mine, but Thy Will be done."

amonk7 Wrote: Oct 02, 2012 5:30 PM
Pure fantasy. Where does Jesus say Yahweh, the angry and Jealous God of the Old Covenant, who killed thousands at a whim is the Father Jesus prayed to, the Father of mercy, forgiveness and love?

You should stop quoting yourself as the scriptural truth.
For at least the last hundred years, the world's most dynamic religion has been neither Christianity nor Islam.

It is leftism.

Most people do not recognize what is probably the single most important fact of modern life. One reason is that leftism is overwhelmingly secular (more than merely secular: it is inherently opposed to all traditional religions), and therefore people do not regard it as a religion. Another is that leftism so convincingly portrays itself as solely the product of reason, intellect, and science that it has not been seen as the dogma-based ideology that it is. Therefore, the vast majority of the...