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AmericanLiberal Wrote: Mar 03, 2013 3:24 PM
I think if you had to break it down, it is reducible to the distinction between principle and beliefs. A principled man uses rational maxims to bring order to the natural universe. Principle is not about holding passionately to some set of convictions. That sort of primacy of subjective belief systems is how Protestantism deformed our Enlightenment republic. People figure that if you believe something to the bottom of your soul, you are at least entitled to some respect. But principle does not work that way. There is nothing inherently respectable, about something believed, no matter how widespread or heartfelt. The metric for respectability, to a man of principle, is rational objectivity. So this is not "empirical reasoning" vs.
AmericanLiberal Wrote: Mar 03, 2013 3:24 PM
.."rationalism." This is not induction vs. deduction. This is about our ability to refine our filtering mechanism, our principles, in accordance to the advance of scientific knowledge.

This is why it is sort of entertaining to watch you guys scramble when caught in your own relativism. The bottom line is that you are not principled. You have convictions. And those are different things. And frankly, I think the reason I bug you guys so much is because you have grown flabby with the deference that others give you simply because you are windbags with deeply and earnestly held beliefs.
MudontheTires Wrote: Mar 03, 2013 6:09 PM
"The bottom line is that you are not principled."

Says the Nazi in the crowd.
AmericanLiberal Wrote: Mar 03, 2013 7:44 PM
As I said, Mud, and regardless of whatever your slurs (i am old enough to remember when the left liked to call the right "fascist"--which was also unjust), convictions and beliefs do not amount to "principle." That is the bottom line and you can throw all the sand in the air you want. Prove me wrong, chump.
AmericanLiberal Wrote: Mar 03, 2013 7:45 PM
As I said, Mud, and regardless of whatever your slurs (i am old enough to remember when the left liked to call the right "fascist"--which was also unjust), convictions and beliefs do not amount to "principle." That is the bottom line and you can throw all the sand in the air you want. Prove me wrong, chump.
tuttut Wrote: Mar 03, 2013 9:00 PM
The reason you bug us is because in your claim of rationality you are entirely irrational. Belief and principle are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I would argue, they are mutually dependent. E.g., you can't prove that your "a priori moral law" exists. You can't. Nevertheless you believe it, and on that faith-based principle you seek to argue with us. So you are a hypocrite, and guilty of the very subjectivism you project onto TH posters. Only if we concede your belief, that such a law exists, can your circuitous arguments hold any water. Sorry, chimp. You ain't makin' it.

With the sequester officially in place, and the world still perfectly intact, there is still a possibility that many federal workers could still be furloughed. Remember how Obama kept threatening that all these people would lose their jobs, airplanes wouldn’t fly, and illegal immigrants would be crossing the border without a problem?

Do you also remember how all the reporters were going crazy last week about how the President went golfing with Tiger Woods? Well as everything Obama does, it cost quite a bit in taxpayer dollars. Over $1 million to be more accurate. Many are furious that the...