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The Silent Conquest of a Continent

American_in_Europe Wrote: Feb 03, 2013 12:03 PM
Like the European Christians before them the Muslims will move Islam from a religious system to a cultural heritage.
America is Over Wrote: Feb 03, 2013 12:44 PM
"...Muslims will move Islam from a religious system to a cultural heritage."

Sure. Just like Iran.
American_in_Europe Wrote: Feb 03, 2013 12:56 PM
Iran is isolated. In Istanbul, under heavy western influence, the secular elements are strong. In Cairo the battle between secular and religious elements is also in progress.
America is Over Wrote: Feb 03, 2013 2:54 PM
Istanbul's "western influence" grows weaker by the day. There is no "rendering unto Caesar" in the Koran.

I remember when secular influences were strong in Iran and the Shah was trying to drag Iran out of the Middle Ages. Iranian secular influence now reside in Beverly Hills.
dan17 Wrote: Feb 03, 2013 12:08 PM
American_in_Europe Wrote: Feb 03, 2013 1:37 PM
Thomas Paine would say it is. But I think comparison "measurements" are difficult because values are also moving in societies retaining their religious beliefs.

There’s been a lot of discussion within some in the media regarding the demographic changes taking place in Europe. But those of us who’ve travelled there have observed it firsthand: namely, the decreased birthrate among Europeans compared to the enormous birthrate increase among Muslim immigrants.

Overall, the birthrate across the continent is far below the replacement level of 2.1 children per couple. Italy, Spain, Austria, and Germany have a fertility rate of only 1.4, while Poland and Russia languish at 1.3 and 1.2, respectively.

However, as a subgroup, Muslims in Europe are producing from 4 to 6 children per couple. Encouraged...