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Parting Company

Amber3 Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 3:15 PM
It is true the South fought for self-determinatin, but they found, very quickly, that a strong States' Rights stand made the new nation they wished to found ungovernable; the central government could not force the States to send troops raised in those States anywhere the governors of those States did not want the troops to go...and the Army of Northern Virginia was actually starving in the midst of plenty for, among many reasons, the fact that the governors of the States refused to send food to the men and fodder for the horses. There has to be a balance between self-determination and the common good. Lacking that, we can separate...but then we lose the advantages of our unity, and open ourselves to foreign domination.
Ms Kelly Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 9:29 PM
Why not a mututal defense treaty among the states? We could have something like the UN only instead of being a United Nations, it would be a United States. Oh, wait, we already did that.

See, this is what the USA was supposed to be. A group of sovreign states united for mutual defense. The only problem is, the administrative arm of the United States (the federal governmet) began to see itself as the supreme ruler and dictator.
pjstx Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 8:21 PM
"There has to be a balance between self-determination and the common good. "

And if that balance is lost and unrecoverable?
Do you determine what that "balance" is?
Who determines what the "common good" is? You? Obama?
I would have said the Constitution of the United States determined it. Those in federal power completely and utterly and totally disregard that social contract with The People. When is it that The People can declare the contract breeched and broken? Never? When the Attorney General grants permission? That is totalitarianism.
Serious questions. I would like to hear the answers.
Amber3 Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 9:46 PM
The people determine the common good, of course...sadly, as Williams has pointed out, that has broken down, and the commonality of interest that ensures that the general public will seek out the solution to common problems that is best for all seems to have broken down...whether it is a permanent break or a temporary insanity only history can tell us.

My only point is that this commonality of interest is our only protection against the barbarians at the gates. We NEED to come together, again, because we WILL break apart, and if we do, our children and their children for a hundred generations will rue our choices. We have the chance to make the world better...and if we fall, so will civilization. We ARE the last, best hope.
For decades, it has been obvious that there are irreconcilable differences between Americans who want to control the lives of others and those who wish to be left alone. Which is the more peaceful solution: Americans using the brute force of government to beat liberty-minded people into submission or simply parting company? In a marriage, where vows are ignored and broken, divorce is the most peaceful solution. Similarly, our constitutional and human rights have been increasingly violated by a government instituted to protect them. Americans who support constitutional abrogation have no intention of mending their ways.

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