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10 Stories That Prove Guns Save Lives

ajhil Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 2:26 AM
Nonsense! For every one of Mr. Hawkins anecdotes, I can open a daily newspaper from almost anywhere in the country and produce numerous examples of people killed or wounded by guns in private hands. There are more than 30,000 gun deaths in the U.S. each year, around 11,000 of them homicides. So how much weight do Hawkins' measly ten reports carry? They're a drop in the bucket!
JL36 Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 10:04 AM
That's because the state-run media doesn't report those incidents where lives were saved due to the presence of a gun in the hands of law-abiding citizens. And the reason for that is because the state-run media doesn't WANT TO report those stories because those stories don't fit their agenda. I sincerely hope you never find yourself in a situation where a gun carried by you will save your life or the lives of your loved ones.
evie10 Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 9:55 AM
and most of those could have been prevented with an armed citizen aiding the victim. The cases you talk of are those cases where the person (perpetrator) with the gun is not a law-abiding citizen. The point we are making is that the right of gun ownership is in the Constitution and cannot be abridged without changing the Constitution. Remember, we the people grant rights to the government in this country, not the other way around. That should end the argument.
Jay Wye Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 8:07 AM
most of those gun deaths were suicides,and those don't count,suicides are means-independent and voluntary acts upon one's self. Next,many of those homicides are criminal-on-criminal shootings.
Almost all of them are done by people already prohibited from possessing a gun or even a single round of ammo. OTOH,people who have concealed carry permits are the SAFEST and most law-abiding of citizens. THEY are not the ones doing those shooting and killings.
Don't disarm the good guys because of what a few criminals do.
Ray from Bloombergia Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 7:37 AM
There are 2.5 MILLION legal defenses with gun a year. That's about a thousand a day. You'd trade all those victories against the goblins for MAYBE "one life save"? You are a glittering jewel of politically correct ignorance.

Ray from Bloombergia
NRA Life
Jay Wye Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 8:08 AM
I use the acronym DGU for defensive gun use.
rficara Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 8:26 AM
I miscalculated. The real number is over 5,300 DGUs a DAY. That a-whole would trade a few putative lives saved for a confirmed reduction of more than 5k violent crimes a DAY.

Ray from Bloombergia
ttaylor841 Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 6:59 AM
The average amount of deaths due to accidental shooting annually is around 600. Contrast that with; Texting while Driving which is 6,000 or other motor vehicle incidents around 35,000..
Accidental drowning is 3,500.
Again falls kill around 25,000 & none of these begin to look at medical causes. I mean seriously you need to get some perspective.
ttaylor841 Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 7:05 AM
Then we can also look at intentional murders...
From FBI statistics for 2011:
Number of murders by rifles (that would include all 'assault weapons'): 323
Number of murders by knives: 1694
Number of murders by hammers: 496
Number of murders by hands & feet: 728
So is it time for hands & feet control? Perhaps designating assault hammers? Really you liberals have issues in getting priorities laid out right which is why no matter what you seem to do, you never actually improve things in the world.
ttaylor841 Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 7:14 AM
Here's some fun facts for you to ingest.
Firearm misuse causes only a small number of accidental deaths in the U.S.189 For example, compared to being accidentally killed by a firearm, you are:
• Five times more likely to burn to death
• Five times more likely to drown
• 17 times more likely to be poisoned
• 17 times more likely to fall
• And 68 times more likely to die in an automobile accident
ttaylor841 Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 7:15 AM
Fact: In 2007, there were only 54 accidental gun deaths for children under age 13. About 12 times as many children died from drowning during the same period.190
Fact: In 2007, there were 999 drowning victims and 137 firearm-related accidental deaths from ages 1-19. Firearms outnumber pools by a factor of over 30:1. Thus, the risk of drowning in a pool is nearly 100 times higher than from a firearm-related accident for everyone, and nearly 500 times for children ages 0-5.191
ttaylor841 Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 7:15 AM
Fact: Medical mistakes kill 400,000 people per year – the equivalent of almost three fully loaded Boeing 747 jet crashes per day – or about 286 times the rate of all accidental firearm deaths.192 This translates into 1 in 6 doctors causing an accidental death, and 1 in 56,666 gun owners doing the same.
U.S. Accidental Fiream Deaths
Fact: Only 2% of gun deaths are from accidents, and some insurance investigations indicate that many of these may not be accidents after all.193
Fact: Around 2,000 patients each year – six per day – are accidentally killed or injured in hospitals by registered nurses.
ajhil Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 8:54 AM
You left out murders using handguns, which are the most common weapons used in homicides. Funny that you'd do that. Wouldn't be because your argument doesn't hold water, would it? Knives, hammers, cars, airplanes, concrete blocks and countless other objects can be (and are) used in murders, but these objects have other uses that justify their existence. Besides, when it's feasible, they're modified or restricted in order to reduce their use in crimes. Only guns, which are designed specifically to kill, seem to be exempt. That's nuts.
jjollymore Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 9:41 AM
You left out the fact that 3/4 of all 'victims' had prior criminal records. Handgun violence is mostly criminal on criminal, but that doesn't advance your narrative.
jjollymore Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 9:41 AM
You left out the fact that 3/4 of all 'victims' had prior criminal records. Handgun violence is mostly criminal on criminal, but that doesn't advance your narrative.
oldshortfatboy Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 2:43 AM
They're not a drop in any bucket to those people who saved their own life or someone else's life. It's just flat amazing how stupid you prog libtards can be.
ajhil Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 7:13 AM
Oh, yeah? So, where's the evidence for your assertion, bright boy? Not in the news, that's for sure. Nor do police reports or FBI crime statistics support your claim. How come we hardly ever hear of such events until this kind of debate occurs and then you gun nuts pull some ridiculous number out of your backsides without the slightest proof? You believe it, because you want to believe it.
Ray from Bloombergia Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 7:38 AM
The cases do not advance the pre-written media narrative and are spiked.

You are a moron.

Ray from Bloomergia
rficara Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 8:24 AM
Unlike the libtards who cherry pick the only stats that support them, John Lott ran ALL the stats and police reports from all 3,054 counties in the U.S. for TWENTY YEARS. That's where the numbers come from you cretin. Plug the buds back in, light up the bong in Mommie's basement and listen to more Coldplay.

Ray
jjollymore Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 9:38 AM
Because the FBI doesn't keep statistics on how many times guns are used in self defense. It makes the argument one sided from the start, as they are crime stats. If you dig deeper, you will find that hundreds of the 11,000 homicides are justified, acts of self defense, by citizens and law enforcement. Those are just the times when the gun was AND the perp was killed. They don't give stats for perps that lived, whether or not the gun was fired!
jjollymore Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 9:38 AM
Because the FBI doesn't keep statistics on how many times guns are used in self defense. It makes the argument one sided from the start, as they are crime stats. If you dig deeper, you will find that hundreds of the 11,000 homicides are justified, acts of self defense, by citizens and law enforcement. Those are just the times when the gun was AND the perp was killed. They don't give stats for perps that lived, whether or not the gun was fired!
AZYaateeh Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 12:51 PM
2 million crimes prevented.

30,000 unlawful deaths.

Know how many people our cars kill per year, cupcake?
William2842 Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 6:47 PM
The numbers are based on surveys of population conducted in 1993 and 1994 by the Centers for Disease Control. The results were confirmed by a 2000 study in the "Quantitative Journal of Criminology" (Vol 17). The results of these findings were then expanded to the total expected for the entire US population. This is not an unusual technique in statistics. Even if we reduce these results by a factor of 5 to account for conservancy and then say that only 50% of those were an actual prevented death the pro-defense side still comes out ahead by a factor of roughly 20 to 1 based on 2010 data (~11,000 homicides).
William2842 Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 6:49 PM
Note that the above response did not resort to ad hominem attacks, cited references that can be checked and did not cast any aspersions on the original poster.
HailFellow_WellMet Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 2:37 AM
So, what is Your solution to all those ' gun deaths ' ?

In a nation that already has more than 200 million guns, gun control does little other than make the work of rapists, robbers, murderers and nuts like Adam Lanza easier. When faced with gun control laws, the law abiding citizen has no choice other than to disarm or become an outlaw, but people with bad intentions are faced with no such moral dilemma. That's why the best friend of a rapist or a potential Adam Lanza is the gun control advocate who's working tirelessly to insure that his targets can't adequately defend themselves.

On some level,...