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It's the Spending, Stupid!

Agent Crawfish Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 10:16 AM
Yes. We are doomed. It's a matter of time.
Jack2894 Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 10:21 AM
No, we are not doomed. COnservatives are doomed, but not America
MoonYogert Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 10:33 AM
when it hits the fan, the conservatives will do what they do best. You want to be on the wrong side then Jack?
OldMexicanblog Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 10:34 AM
Re: Jack2894,
-- No, we are not doomed. --

Actually, it is the tax and spend people who are doomed. The present value of all liabilities is 222 TRILLION dollars, which means: the jig is up. It is just a matter of time.
Jack2894 Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 10:37 AM
WHat conservatives do best is alienate massive and growing blocs of the electorate. At least that's what I see. WHat do YOU thnk conservatives do best?
MoonYogert Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 10:42 AM
protect our property from thieves like you
Jack2894 Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 10:43 AM
Nope, it is the borrow and spend people who are creating the problem. Tax and spend is a rational process where people have to feel the impact of government over spending. It was shifting AWAY from tax and spend that started the spiral.
Jack2894 Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 10:57 AM
Oh, I get it. You are flexing your internet muscles. ooooooooo. Trying to impress the chicks from Fox news?

MoonYogert Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 11:00 AM
But first, everyone has to pay some tax. Any % of 0 is still 0. 49% pay nothing. How are they going to feel the impact. Only the Tea Party want everyone to pay something. Only a flat tax would work in that case. We have to get a more fair tax code. That is the first argument to have.
Jack2894 Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 12:01 PM
MY,

Glad you stopped flexing and actually made a point. I have to run my son to the airport, but I iwll be back to discuss this particualr issue. Suffice it to say that I agree that everyone has to pay taxes, but it is untrue that 49% pay nothing. You can't base a real solution on an unreal number.
MoonYogert Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 12:09 PM
Federal tax...we are on the topic of Federal spending and Federal taxes so don't give me that state and sales tax number. Nearly half of the country pay no Federal income tax. I wasn't flexing. If this country goes the way of Europe and the punks start rioting here, we have the means to deal with them unlike the helpless liberals. That is just worst case and a response to your "conservatives are doomed" comment.
TommyMaq Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 12:54 PM
Conservatives are the biggest block of the electorate, Jack, which is what every serious observer sees.

When your theory doesn't stand up to the evidence, a honest and smart person jettisons or changes the theory. What's your excuse?
TommyMaq Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 12:55 PM
"Oh, I get it. You are flexing your internet muscles. ooooooooo. Trying to impress the chicks from Fox news? "

Mistaking someone's philosophical position for an emotion means you've rejected information from reality; refused to learn; chosen to be stupid.

Your insulation from knowledge of the people you disagree with explains a lot, Jack.
TommyMaq Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 12:57 PM
Jack, you insinuated that you share Jefferson's philosophy.

Tell us what you know about Jefferson's judgment of direct (as opposed to excise) taxes.

(Hint; Jefferson's notions about direct taxation are the same as Aristotle's, Jesus' and Malcom X's)
Corbett_ Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 1:12 PM
Old Mexican -- in case people don't believe you, they can look at this link:

http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=38718
Richard_B Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 1:49 PM
"Only a flat tax would work in that case."
What will you apply your flat tax on. The income tax that only half the people pay? Get the Fair Tax passed and everyone will see on every receipt for new goods and services just how much skin they have in the game.
Jack2894 Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 1:49 PM
You failed to specify income taxes, which made your comment simply wrong. But even considerign that, you are wrong in principle, because the overall tax burden of ROmney's 47% (ANother winning political concept) begins with FICA. That number cannot be discounted, given that programs related to FICA are the biggest drivers of our future deficit.

You were talking tough: lord knows I have heard enough conservatives make the same protestations.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 2:13 PM
Your hilarious fairy tale about history in which tax and spend was ever a "rational" process or that raising taxes (or the threat thereof) has ever curtailed spending demonstrates less intellect than one of my dogs - not the border collie (she's pretty smart for a dog), the beagle.
Listening to progressive media pundits, I'd think the most evil man in the universe is Grover Norquist, head of Americans for Tax Reform. His crime? He heads a movement that asks political candidates to pledge not to raise taxes.

I think Grover accomplished a lot. But I wish he'd convinced politicians to pledge not to increase spending.

President Obama says raising taxes to cut the deficit is a "balanced" approach.

Balanced ...

But what's "balanced" about raising taxes after vast increases in spending? Trillions for war, Medicare, "stimulus" and solar panels. Tax receipts rose -- after tax-rate cuts -- from $1.9...