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Dave. Full auto weapons, ordinance, and a long list of support, and you think a civilian will secure a pistol and shotgun and take on the most highly trained and experienced combat troops in the world like in the movies? they got 10 years of house of house and you hope some soccer mom with a 12 ga will take them on.... You hope so? Is that like the hope in Obamas hope and change?
What an asinine question. they speak for themselves. You sound like a high school kid...
PppYour are not listening. CINC and Sec Def determine a legal order. You can disobey legal orders all day long, and than pay the price. Obviously destroying entire cites and populations as you have ascribed to me as having said is illegal. I never said that. respond to what I actually said, and not what you try to portray me as having said. Reading all those posts from all those vets for all those years, and than drawing conclusions as to what the military thinks, past and present, what the military will do under various scenarios, makes you what? It makes you someone with an opinion only and nothing to back it up. All you do is refer to what he said she said.What credibility does that give you?
Clearly you have only opinion and no tactical experience. Everything I say goes over your head. Take over the entire country? Now you are not naive, you are rediculous. Did we take over the entire country of Iraq? how about Afganistan? Do you think every civilian must be killed? Laying waste to every city? You argue like a lib. You ascribe this nonsense to me, as if I made those comments. A Stryker at every intersection, in every city in every state in the country? Are you reading your posts?
I got 3 sons active duty. One 1/75, one 3/75 and one USMC REC. I got 26 years with 32 months in RVN. discount my opinion, means nothing to me. Where did Lt get 80 to 85 % stands? He speaks for the army, and marines? I'll repeat one last time. If Obama issues an illegal order, The CINC would step in. The sec of def would not counter the CINC. so illegal orders would not go down the chain of command inthe first place. That means all orders are supported by the CINC and sec of def, that makes them legal orders. Drone attacks in Yemen, a sovereign country, no threat to our security. Obama authorizes those ops. That means they are legal. CINC and sec of def says they are legal. Do you think they're legal stands?
Americans won't tolerate a tyrant? And what will they do stands? When you got reinforced strykers at every intersection, and gunship coverage, what will you do? Get a suicide vest ? I preached to all my four sons, be on the side with guns....
I retired after 26 years. I am telling you that the military will follow orders, short of killing American civilians, and I am not entirely sure of that. Troops fired on Kent State students. Military advisors were at the branch Davidian Compound. Military at the Ruby Ridge massacre along with law enforcement. Entire divisions stacking arms? Now you are being naive. Field and especially general grade officers are political, meaning their survival comes first. Remember Tonkin Bay ? Military and civilian should have gone to prison over that. Northridge Operation, same thing. And these were general grade officers. Bottom line, If Obama issues an illegal order, CINC will step in.
Stands. Shutting down cell service has been done twice already. Involved an incident on the subway, probably NY. You say, Shutting down the Internet/cell service and the majority of the military would smell a rat. Yes, and so what. Would the military stage a coup? No. Would they follow orders? Being suspicious means nothing. After My Lai, the army doctrine was, you can disobey a lawful or direct order, if you believe it to be illegal, or a violation of your religious or moral beliefs. What happens? You go to the brig and held until an inquiry. In the real world,do you think really, the military would en mass stack arms because they are suspicious? More than 50% of Americans are screaming right now.
Stands. The mantra of the Obama admin is chaos. People watch the left hand and not the right. He gins up racial tension over the martin shooting. He has a war on coal, wants to put coal industry out of business. War on the rich. War on "certain" corporations. When whites are out of a job they run to their guns and bibles, and old stereotypes. The woman who raised him is a typical white woman. . It is a long list. You think Obama wants peace and tranquility. He engineers distraction. You think he has the best interests of the US in mind? When I get reelected, I will have more flexibility, pass that on to Putin. Remember that? If his poll number continue to slide, watch for a wag the dog scenario.
Stands. The mantra of the Obama admin is chaos. People watch the left hand and not the right. He gins up racial tension over the martin shooting. He has a war on coal, wants to put coal industry out of business. War on the rich. War on "certain" corporations. When whites are out of a job they run to their guns and bibles, and old stereotypes. The woman who raised him is a typical white woman. . It is a long list. You think Obama wants peace and tranquility. He engineers distraction. You think he has the best interests of the US in mind? When I get reelected, I will have more flexibility, pass that on to Putin. Remember that? If his poll number continue to slide, watch for a wag the dog scenario.
Standing. Do you really think that Obama is a one man show? He said the constitution is too restrictive to running (his) government. So he circumvents the process with exec orders. The recent agreement with Afganistan is one example. Should have gone thru congress, but didn't. He has already by executive order got the authority to shut down the Internet/cell service. That means he can shut down public satellite access. That means he can put Americans in the dark in terms of what is going on. Uncharted territory. Agreed. But than again he has done a few things already that fall into that category. Army troops fired on, and killed and wounded kent state kids. After WWI vets camped on the WH lawn were fired on.
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