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44thWhitePrez Wrote: Jan 14, 2013 9:33 AM
@HeraldOfGalactus (8:57 AM) If it's not human, than what is it? Is it a horse, a dog, a plant? Seriously? Are you really that un-scientific that you think it is something other than human? Well when does the magical transformation take place then? Is it a special spell only used if you pass your O.W.L.s?
Anominus Wrote: Jan 14, 2013 11:29 AM
If a brick is not heavy, it is light. Organisms either are, or they aren't. If an organism isn't human, then it isn't human. If all other species have been excluded, as they would under a genetic observation of the DNA, then it can only be human.

The "personhood" argument is irrelevent because it is not and can never be based on any provable facts. It is, by definition, arbitrary, and cannot be considered the legal basis for anything. This is why if an organism is provably human and provably alive, then it can only be considered a human being.
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Jan 14, 2013 11:14 AM
But we don't classify things on the basis that they can't be anything else. That's the logical equivilent of proving a negative. I used the brick only as an analogy to illustrate the logical flaws. I'm not choosing to ignore anything. I'm just analyzing your conclusions, as we're supposed to do in a civil debate. I agree that human sperm and human eggs can only make humans. What isn't as clear is when that combination becomes a human 'person.' Conception seems every bit as arbitrary as any other stage.
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 14, 2013 11:07 AM
Now you're injecting the artificial concept of "personhood".
If we are not talking about a member of the human species, we must be talking about something else. What would that be?
Anominus Wrote: Jan 14, 2013 10:49 AM
Conception caused by human sperm and human egg can only create a human being - it can never be anything else.

Your example of the brick is like observing a brick, and automatically assuming that this particular brick is somehow different from all the other bricks. You continue with your assumption, even though all the people around you have picked up the brick, put it on a scale, confirmed that it is indeed heavy, and written essays describing the brick's qualities. For the sake of debate, you choose to ignore them all and do everything you can to NEVER HANDLE THE BRICK TO CONFIRM YOUR STUPID ASSUMPTIONS!

Editor’s note: Dr. Adams will speak at Christ Church Lutheran Church in Phoenix, AZ on January 19. The speech, which is part of the Voices for the Voiceless "Redefine" Conference, will begin shortly after the conference opens at 8 am. Dr. Adams will then go to Minneapolis to speak at the Minnesota Youth for Life Conference on January 21. The all-day conference will be at Sacred Heart Catholic Church.

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