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Is the Personhood Movement Really Pro-Life?

3482 Wrote: Jun 23, 2012 3:13 PM
Parents have an obligation to care for their children. Because the child's location doesn't change the parents' obligation, the obligation applies before birth. Parents shouldn't be able to avoid of their obligation by killing the one to whom their obligated.
peaceman Wrote: Jun 29, 2012 3:47 AM
the Bishops who were afraid that the populace was becoming too independent and warned Justinian this would continue to impair his ability to collect taxes) ordered the Pope to remove the belief which he refused and was jailed. So, the belief was removed without the Pope's sanction. Such is the world of politics.

So I do agree that every choice is sacred which is why I combine for my own personal spiritual philosophy a blend of Zen-Buddhism-Taoism and aspects of Christianity. When considering such a decision within this context, I'm not implying that such a choice be considered lightly, but to understand there are other choices to make when such insight is available
peaceman Wrote: Jun 29, 2012 3:41 AM
greater consciousness; the soul taken thousands of journeys and is an accumulation of knowledge and experience which lends understanding is to why there are such differences among people in the world. So, the 'personality' that we identify with now, our 'ego' self with the name you're given, is just a small part of you; the greater part is known as the 'Higher Self'. The church kept this information hidden when the Council of Nicea (323-325) was created to come up with a 'program'/'religion' that would bring peace within the empire. They sifted through over 500 documents before settling on what became the New Testament (centuries later more was removed); the concept of reincarnation was kept until 550 when Emperor Justinian (on advice of
peaceman Wrote: Jun 29, 2012 3:40 AM
Yan...I know what I'm saying is a bit confusing. So, without getting into great detail I've had decades of experience in occult knowledge, experience and am a practicing intuitive counselor. That doesn't say that I have all knowledge by a long shot but I have cultivated a large body of knowledge over time so what I can tell you is that there is much more to the story of being a 'soul' in a body. My comments imply a belief in reincarnation which allows a broader view of what I've been talking about re the choices a soul can make. On the contrary, I am implying that an individual is clearly sacred and so much is taken into account if terminating a life is being considered. A soul is eternal and the body is just a partial reflection of a
peaceman Wrote: Jun 29, 2012 3:35 AM
greater consciousness; the soul taken thousands of journeys and is an accumulation of knowledge and experience which lends understanding is to why there are such differences among people in the world. So, the 'personality' that we identify with now, our 'ego' self with the name you're given, is just a small part of you; the greater part is known as the 'Higher Self'. The church kept this information hidden when the Council of Nicea (323-325) was created to come up with a 'program'/'religion' that would bring peace within the empire. They sifted through over 500 documents before settling on what became the New Testament (centuries later more was removed); the concept of reincarnation was kept until 550 when Emperor Justinian (on advice of
peaceman Wrote: Jun 29, 2012 3:27 AM
Yan...I know what I'm saying is a bit confusing. So, without getting into great detail I've had decades of experience in occult knowledge, experience and am a practicing intuitive counselor. That doesn't say that I have all knowledge by a long shot but I have cultivated a large body of knowledge over time so what I can tell you is that there is much more to the story of being a 'soul' in a body. My comments imply a belief in reincarnation which allows a broader view of what I've been talking about re the choices a soul can make. On the contrary, I am implying that an individual is clearly sacred and so much is taken into account if terminating a life is being considered. A soul is eternal and the body is just a partial reflection of a
Yan5 Wrote: Jun 28, 2012 1:14 PM
peaceman, if the Soul is making a choice, how would you know this? You are equivocating on the meaning of choice. What you are saying is, even if I don't know it, my Soul is making a choice.

Obviously, that is a conclusion which you think is a rational inference that you have drawn by stepping back from all experience. I disagree, because as I stated earlier, your point of view implies that an individual life is not worth as much as I believe it to be worth. I know when my Soul makes a choice, when I know that I make a choice. My soul is me, not some foreign thing that operates without my knowledge.

If you are right, human choices are irrelevant. My experience leads me to the opposite conclusion: EVERY choice is relevant.
peaceman Wrote: Jun 26, 2012 7:03 AM
Reread my original post a couple of times and give it some thought. There's a greater and deeper story behind all the 'spiritual traditions' that has been forgotten. It's resurfacing and will eventually replace fear-based religion with particular emphasis regarding Christianity...or perhaps I should say that it will expand the understanding and fill in the gaps as there are many...food for thought
peaceman Wrote: Jun 26, 2012 7:00 AM
Yan...that's quite an open mind you have about other ideas you're not familiar with. Actually, the Soul (in the unborn child at some undetermined point) is always making the choice and confers on levels with 'spirit' that you are not understanding. You can have such knowledge about the potential of the unborn and that would bring you to the place of getting in touch with your own intuition and 'conscious connection' with the world of spirit. Many profess a christian or some over faith, but don't take the deeper journey for this inward knowing that is available to us all. So, no, my 'philosophy' trivializes nothing but actually holds life sacred in more ways than you understand. And no, it would not bring anyone to "slit their throats".
Yan5 Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 8:05 PM
Um, may I will point out that the unborn child is not making the choice. Does that matter to you?

And how do you or anyone, including any mother, know what the future will hold for a particular life, so that they should be entitled to make the decision whether that child lives or dies?

Your philosophy, or religion, trivializes human life, peaceman, and makes people want to slit their throats if it is a rainy day outside.
Yan5 Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 8:04 PM
Um, may I will point out that the unborn child is not making the choice. Does that matter to you?

And how do you or anyone, including any mother, know what the future will hold for a particular life, so that they should be entitled to make the decision whether that child lives or dies?

Your philosophy, or religion, trivializes human life, peaceman, and makes people want to slit their throats if it is a rainy day outside.
peaceman Wrote: Jun 23, 2012 7:05 PM
Part of an obligation to taking care of a child is to make some difficult decisions when they must be made. As at times a choice can made to avoid undue suffering with the understanding that the 'Soul' will have another opportunity for the life it wishes to lead

One of the most controversial wings of the pro-life movement is the “personhood” effort. Championed by Personhood USA out of Colorado, its goal is to have personhood defined in law to include the unborn. Theoretically, it sounds good. Practically, it will never work and meanwhile is severely hurting the pro-life movement.

The pro-life movement does not support the personhood effort. Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum issued this statement about it, “Nearly every reputable pro-life leader has criticized the approach of the personhood amendment, which will simply give more power to pro-abortion judges.” Another statement from...