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The President's 'Other Gospel'

2Kings2_23_24 Wrote: May 17, 2012 2:26 PM
"The same Book that informs him about the Person he told Pastor Rick Warren in 2008 is his "Savior," also speaks to the beginning of human life (he has done nothing to limit abortions), fornication between adults of the opposite sex (no word yet on his position on that subject), marriage, and adultery, which the Seventh Commandment and New Testament passages condemn." George Bush never did any of these things either, so therefore he's not a Christian, right? What I'd really like for Cal Thomas or any other zealots posting in here to do is show me the part of the bible where some "Christians" get to judge who is and is not a "Christian". That's for God to decide, not you.
RAY USA Wrote: May 17, 2012 4:12 PM
The issue isn't if Obama is a Christian or not. The issue Thomas rightly points out is how Obama uses references to the Bible to justify his political positions. Bush did not attempt to justify political positions with Biblical verses. Obama claims Jesus would support the Buffett rule. None of us knows the answer for sure, but many of us doubt that Jesus worried very much about government taxes. Obama also said the Golden Rule supports gay marriage. Again another stretch at best.
2Kings2_23_24 Wrote: May 17, 2012 5:33 PM
1. Every American President quotes verse at some point to support their position. Are you really going to argue that Bush or Bush or Reagan didn't? Give me a break.

2. He's not saying that the golden rules supports gay marriage, he's saying that people like those who actually think the recent NC amendment is reasonable might want to apply it and treat as others as they want to be treated. If you don't want gays married in your church, fine. But the laws of this country or any state shouldn't be denying American citizens rights based on The Bible or any other religious book.
RockinRickOwen Wrote: May 17, 2012 2:53 PM
If a person denies who Jesus is, and what He did for us, then they can't be a Christian, period. End of story. If a person denies the existence of God, or that God does miracles, they can't be a Christian. Christianity centers around an historical event: the death, burial and resurrection of Yeshua the Messiah. The Person a Christian follows is Yeshua, the Messiah (Jesus being the English version of the Latio version of the Greek version of a Hebrew name).

http://www.ucg.org/christian-living/what-true-christian

that should do for now



2Kings2_23_24 Wrote: May 17, 2012 5:26 PM
Obama doesn't deny Jesus. So by your rules, he's a Christian. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean you can take the man's faith away.

And while the life, death and burial of Jesus may be historical, the resurrection most certainly isn't. That's where faith comes in...you choose to believe that that happened. It is not a historic fact.

It is one thing to talk about "fairness" when it comes to allowing gays and lesbians to marry; it is quite another to claim biblical authority for such relationships.

President Obama cited the "Golden Rule" about treating others as you would like to be treated, but in doing so he ignored the totality of Scripture and the Lord Himself, who alone gets to set the rules for human behavior.

The president says he is a "practicing Christian." It is difficult to be one while simultaneously holding a low view of the Bible, which his position on several social issues might suggest.

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