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Truth is also on our side. Studies by sociologists have shown that countries and states that legalized same-sex marriage have noticeable negative changes in the state of marriage and families. Some of these changes to marriage are that fewer people marry, fewer marriages remain monogamous and sexually faithful, fewer marriages last a lifetime, and polygamy becomes an accepted norm. Negative impacts to the family are that many more children would grow up without the benefit of a mother and a father, which has been shown repeatedly to be the best environment for positive development of children, emotionally, intellectually and socially. The truth is that our society, as a whole, will have to bear the economic weight of same-sex couples receiving health and other benefits. The professionals who serve our citizens will be impacted if they refuse to give their services to same-sex couples, even if doing so goes against their belief system. (To see more detail about these issues visit www.thetruthinblackandwhite.org and read What’s the Vex of Same-sex?)

Justice is also on our side. Although it might “sound good” on the surface to allow civil unions for same-sex couples, many Americans have not been educated on the impacts explained above. As the support for civil unions for same-sex couples inched up, attitudes on same-sex marriage remain almost exactly the same as they did a year ago. The Pew Research survey showed that over half of Americans (53 percent) oppose marriage for lesbians and gays. This public opinion reflects the heart of the American people. We want all Americans to receive fair treatment and overcome discrimination, but we do not want to redefine society by their issues. More than three-fourths of white evangelical Protestants and two-thirds of black Protestants oppose same-sex marriage. These figures show the battle line and the strength and make-up of our army.

This week is an important one for the definition of traditional marriage. An interfaith gathering of Catholics, Baptists, Missionary Baptists, Southern Baptists, Presbyterians, Muslims, Mormons, Pentecostals, and Charismatics will oppose a Goliath. The People’s Rally - Let the People Vote! will make a powerful stand against the DC City Council’s proposed bill to allow same-sex marriage within the District. We want people from all over this country to gather this Sunday, October 25 from 2:00-5:00 pm at Freedom Plaza across from the Wilson Building. Stand for Marriage DC is seeking to place a voter initiative – the Marriage Initiative of 2009 on the November 2010 ballots to preserve the definition of marriage as between one man and one woman.

With the heart of David, we can win this fight. Gather your friends and family and join us this Sunday. Visit www.thepeoplesrally.com to learn more.

anderson659 Wrote: Oct 30, 2009 4:51 PM

Your answer to my question was not an answer, it was a deflection to a strawman you created using black people. My question is a relevant one since the large numbers of participants in those Dore Alley fairs draw homosexuals from all over the USA. Those fairs are extolled in many media and homosexual media as an expression of "gay" culture. That is a matter of record.

So I ask another way, if these fairs are not a representation of mainstream "gay" culture why do so many tens of thousands attend? Who in the "gay" comunity disavows those fairs? Can you point us to a single entity who does? Or group who is "gay" and has publicly disavowed those fairs?

If this is not an expression, and Kevlar asks a very pertinent question,...

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Cambermeister Wrote: Oct 29, 2009 11:11 PM

Who would be a good representer for you and the majority of the gay community?

SAllanG Wrote: Oct 29, 2009 5:59 PM

I don't need to see the link. I know what it is about. Its the Folsom Street Fair. I've never been to it nor care to. A lot of straights attend as well. Again, it is but a small fraction of the gay community acts like that. Tiresome, your examples are tiresome. You scour the internet looking for the worst of the worst of gays and then play it off that ALL gays are like that. Intellectual dishonesty is what it is.

Why don't you scour the internet and look for and post all the crime, violence, gang activity, abortions, and drug use about blacks then claim that ALL blacks are into crime, gang activity, abortions, and drug use. This is an analogy to what you are engaging in, no different. You are painting people with ugly...

anderson659 Wrote: Oct 29, 2009 5:30 PM

Pick one or both links I posted but by all means explain why this is NOT representative of the homosexual comunity.

http://www.zombietime.com/up_your_alley_2008/

anderson659 Wrote: Oct 29, 2009 5:27 PM

Here is a link:

http://www.zombietime.com/folsom_sf_2007_part_1/index.php

Now, this happens every year and around 100,000 homosexuals attend and participate. SF Police has a recruiting booth there every year. Miller beer has been a major sponsor of the fair ever year along with others. The newspapers in SF bill it as a great event.

Why don't you explain to Kevlar (and myself) why these 100,000 attendees are not representrative of the homosexual community?

Kevlar Wrote: Oct 29, 2009 5:25 PM

No.

Who would be a good representer for you and the majority of the gay community?

anderson659 Wrote: Oct 29, 2009 5:15 PM

Kevlar is asking a highly relevant question. as an example the Catholics have the pope as a leader, many blacks have leaders some like J. Jackson, others like T. Sowell, evangelicals have leaders.

You are dodging the question. Harvey Milk was canonized by the sisters of Perpetual Indulgence in San Francisco. Here ya go:

"There’s no doubt that The Sisters have created their fair share of controversy since their inception in 1979. (When Pope John Paul II visited SF in 1987, he declared The Sisters “papal heretics” following their canonization of the late Harvey Milk).

'The Roman Catholic Blog provides shocking evidence of just how vile the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are willing to become in their efforts to...

SAllanG Wrote: Oct 29, 2009 3:37 PM

We could continously play this back and forth game without a conclusion. Are Alec Baldwin, Paris Hilton, Bill Clinton, Ted Bundy, Nancy Pelosi, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Brittney Spears, B. Hussein O., Osama bin Laden, Michael Moore, Rev. Fred Phelps representative of ALL heterosexuals?

Kevlar Wrote: Oct 29, 2009 12:18 PM

who would be a good representer for you and the majority of the gay community?
Harvey Milk (if he were alive)?

SAllanG Wrote: Oct 29, 2009 2:09 AM

It was a joke. I thought only liberals didn't have a sense of humor. Of course, it is hard to tell when communicating by mere typed words on a screen.

Let's look at your tiresome cliches, always citing every sexual abuse cases with the conclusion that all gays are predators towards children. Yes, ALL gays are sexual predators and they ALL have AIDS, are bitter, angry, hateful, etc., etc., etc...ad infinitium.

I saw what I saw at that walmart. I didn't know at the time of the incident that in the future I would be required to have video-taped evidence and get solemnly sworn affidavits from witnesses at the scene to verify and collaborate what I saw.

Even with the joke, notwithstanding, I would still like to know,...

anderson659 Wrote: Oct 29, 2009 1:02 AM

Tsk, tsk, tsk, SAllanG. I absolutely love it when these types of retorts are posted:

"Are you a former queen who has "turned straight?"

Comment: Poor SAllenG, reduced to throwing out the deperate, tired cliche same sex activists use when they have no arguement, and SAllanG has no arguement.Poor fella came to a debate of wits, unarmed, yet strangely hopeful.

SAllanG single handedly refutes scientific studies in 5 minutes, recognizes fundamental LDS church members in WalMart who aren't even there, provides his own data, draws his own conclusions contrary to the facts.

In short SAllanG is a true progressive. Congratulations Allan!

SAllanG Wrote: Oct 28, 2009 11:39 PM

As far as Mr Hartline, he is bitter, unhappy, and resentful. Hope he finds some happiness. What is it with the black community? First they blame "whitey" for all their woes and now its all the gays fault for their problems?
Not everyone contracts HIV/AIDS and not everyone that is exposed to it becomes infected. Some people have a mutation on their t-cells that prevent HIV from adhering to it therefore, rendering HIV ineffective.

Elton John is not representative as well. If you are thinking those two are respresentative of gays, can it be safe to assume that most straight Hollywood celebrities respresent you?

SAllanG Wrote: Oct 28, 2009 10:53 PM

I'll consider the question and the answer is a resounding NO. You can change behaviors but you can NOT change attractions or orientation. Why is your "opinion" valuable on this subject? What is your "authority" on the subject? Are you a former queen who has "turned straight?"

anderson659 Wrote: Oct 28, 2009 7:37 PM

That is the question. The question that no one wants to answer or consider.

You have asked the biggest question of all. And I dont know that anyone has a good answer.

My thoughts are personally that a "significant percentage" perhaps a third or more, would be helped.

In the late 1980s and into the early 1990s I became aware of several cases that were in fact a trend. In those days there was a lot of panic about HIV and the "gay" crowd knew it haunted them more than any other group.

Interestingly enough, quite a few decided that the heterosexual lifestyle was far safer and left the "gay" lifestyle.

It took the fear of early death, but it made many reconsider their choices.

Kevlar Wrote: Oct 28, 2009 5:07 PM

I've got a serious question for you. In your opinion, what percentage of adult males with homosexuality could be normal if they'd received proper treatment early on?

anderson659 Wrote: Oct 28, 2009 3:30 PM

Cambermeister makes an excellent point and offers you Sir Elton John. I give you James Hartline a former homosexual who also has HIV, here is what he says:

"What a disgrace for wealthy white homosexual Americans, who have never been deprived of their crystal meth and their pornography and their sexual lubricants, to try and pull down the holy place that the black civil rights movement so rightly belongs and place it on equal status with the overwhelmingly white, suburban, wealthy homosexual movement. Once again, African Americans find themselves being abused, this time by these wealthy white homosexual activists, who want to parasite off of the historical suffering of the African racial cause, just so they can use black Americans...

anderson659 Wrote: Oct 28, 2009 3:22 PM

SAllan G states about my posted study when I ask him to refute it:

"I am refuting it."

Gee, that was easy. If you do not like the conclusions then you have refuted it. If the study is more than 5 minutes old, then it is dated and not correct. The new liberal dogma.

SAllanG obviously knows more than the researchers who performed the studies.He knows what studies are not correct, and what other studies are.

Let me guess, all of the pro homosexaul studies are valid, others with a conflicting point of view are not. Right SAllanG???

Kevlar Wrote: Oct 28, 2009 3:21 PM

"Ellen is an anomaly. She does NOT represent me or the majority of the gay community."

SAllanG, who would be a good representer for you and the majority of the gay community?
Harvey Milk (if he were alive)?

Kevlar Wrote: Oct 28, 2009 2:54 PM

Sacramento's John Marcotte, our new hero, would like everyone in the state to be forced to abide by the California Marriage Protection Act, which would truly protect the sanctity of marriage — that beautiful institution so many religious conservatives are fighting for — by forcing Californians to never be able to leave one. "(My initiative) would protect traditional marriages by banning divorce."

SAllanG, will you sign the petition?

Kevlar Wrote: Oct 28, 2009 2:24 PM

"Ellen is an anomaly. She does NOT represent me or the majority of the gay community."

Would you agree with this person then?

"I don't want to be married. I'm very happy with a civil partnership. If gay people want to get married, or get together, they should have a civil partnership,"
"You get the same equal rights that we do when we have a civil partnership. Heterosexual people get married. We can have civil partnerships."
Sir Elton John

Kevlar Wrote: Oct 28, 2009 2:19 PM

to a scientific formula:

Reg > Gay + Reg > Gay - Gay < Reg =
Gay + Gay < Reg > Gay = Gay/Gay

You are fond of comparing farcical science with Anderson659 real science. Is there anything I've missed regarding America's favorite person with homosexuality.

SAllanG Wrote: Oct 28, 2009 1:43 PM

Ellen is an anomaly. She does NOT represent me or the majority of the gay community. Anectdotal evidence is not always reliable. I could do the same thing as you do by citing someone that blows up abortion clinics then exptrapolate that because one nutjob chooses to do that then ALL the anti-abortion crowd wants to blow up abortion clinics. I definitely know that is not the case. Sheesh.

Kevlar Wrote: Oct 28, 2009 1:26 PM

"There is a lot going on during pregnancy. Just because the exact "source" of homosexuality has not been indentified yet does not invalidate the claims that it is from before birth"

Not knowing where the Amazon begins does not call into question the existence of the river.
It does however call into question the claims of where it begins if we lack witnesses.

Let us analyze a homosexual's love life.

Ellen used to date boys, now married to woman Portia who was married to man. Just prior, Ellen lived with Ann who is now married to a man.
Married to man Ann was lover for Ellen who dated boys but 'married' Portia that was married to a man after dating women.

Anything I've missed?

SkorpioG Wrote: Oct 28, 2009 7:24 AM

Citing ancient studies is a classic Anderson tactic. He loves vintage surveys and research from yesteryear. It confirms his prejudices and bigotry; year be damned. Take a look at the other threads where Reverend Anderson posts little gems from 1972, 1988, 1992, and so on. I am surprised he hasn't cited Nazi research from the 1930s showing homosexual brains are smaller than straight brains, and then pontificate about the significance of it.

Please Reverend, for your own health, take off the tin foil hat.

SAllanG Wrote: Oct 28, 2009 3:25 AM

I don't hold much credence in old studies on homosexuality anyway. They are biased back then operating under the premise that homosexuality was a disorder skewing their outcomes.

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