AM: I think that it's one of many options.
DP: It's not necessarily a good thing to teach heterosexual behavior as the ideal?
AM: Yeah.
DP: You didn't know you were sexually attracted to women until you went to university? You had lived 18 years and thought you were only sexually attracted to males.
AM: That's true, but I also had never had a boyfriend either. I didn't date --
DP: Whether one has a boyfriend or girlfriend is very different from what one wants to have and where one's sexual fantasies lie.
AM: Yeah, that's completely true.
DP: All I'm saying about sexual choices is that society has a deep impact on sexual choices including whether it's same sex or opposite sex. So my whole position is: Thousands of years of Western civilization preferring male-female bonding leading to marriage and family is a good thing, and Anna feels that it's a bad thing. Is that totally fair? Or am I putting words in your mouth?
AM: I don't think it's necessarily preferable. I think that people should be able to make their own choices.
DP: So one is as good as the other.
AM: Yeah.
DP: So you're saying that for thousands of years, Western society has been wrong for preferring male-female marital bonding.
AM: I only think it's wrong in that it limits other possibilities, which are equally good.
DP: So it is wrong to tell people, wrong to tell little girls, to suggest in any way, subtly or non-subtly, that they should grow up and marry a boy?
AM: Yeah, I don't think that you should force anyone into --
DP: You said 'forced,' I just said 'suggest.'
AM: How would you just gently tell someone?
DP: By saying, for example, "Well, are you going to marry Jerry or Tony?" instead of, "Are you going to marry Jerry or Barbara?"
AM: I think that the coercion is on a sort of deeper level.
DP: So you feel it's [coercion] to suggest to a girl only male options for marriage?
AM: Right.
DP: Have you acted upon your new revelation of not being a rigid heterosexual?
AM: What do you mean 'acted on'?
DP: Well, had sexual contact with females.
AM: I guess I have, yeah.
DP: Have you had with a male?
AM: I had. I had a boyfriend for a year.
DP: Is there any difference or are they both equally meaningful to you?
AM: Well, there is definitely a difference, but they are also both meaningful.
DP: At this point, do you hope to marry one day?
AM: I haven't really decided on that.
DP: You don't even have that hope? You haven't decided on the hope? I asked if you hoped, not if you decided.
AM: Do I hope to marry? I don't know if I'm going to marry or not.
DP: I didn't ask if you knew; I was asking if you're hoping.
AM: I'm not sure what the difference is.
DP: I hope to win the lottery, but I don't expect to. There is a very big difference. So I'm asking if you hoped to.
AM: Well, hope would imply that that would be ideal. But I'm not going to say that getting married would be ideal. But I'm also not against marriage; I mean you get insurance benefits by getting married so I can definitely see a case where I would get married.
DP: For insurance benefits?
AM: Yeah.
DP: That's why you would marry?
AM: And tax benefits as well. It's very convenient.