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Sunday, June 17, 2007
Kevin McCullough :: Townhall.com Columnist
Why Feminists Fear Fathers
by Kevin McCullough
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Feminists cower in fear at the picture, the symbol, and the meaning of a strong father today. Actually atheists, Marxists, leftists, and liberals all do as well but with feminists it’s a particularly pronounced phenomenon. What a strong father represents to this time, life, and world has never been more underestimated and modern feminists have taken it upon themselves to attempt to eliminate the need for them all together.

It was one year ago this month, I sat in a hotel room in Denver before a major book seller's convention. I was preparing for a series of interviews slated that day for the pre-release of MuscleHead Revolution. As I was getting ready Fox News Channel's Gretchen Carlson came on the screen to explain how science had developed the possibility of a world without men. She promised that after the break Dr. Manny Alvarez would explain how researchers had discovered a way to create sperm like cells from another female that would successfully eliminate the need for male participation in the conception of children. She ended her tease, "imagine a world without men!"

I fell into a chair nearby and verbally asked, "Why would we want to?"

God intended fathers to play a particularly important role in the lives of their families. It is the traditional understanding of that role that modern feminists are fearful of.

God intended a father to perform two primary functions in his responsibilities for his family: provision and protection.

It is a truly manly attribute to go out and toil, to work, to provide for the sustaining means that a family is dependent upon to survive. This is not a reflection upon mothers who also have skills and who choose to work. It is no reflection upon their abilities to contribute to the prosperity of the home in general. But it is incumbent for clarity's sake to understand that the father was designed to do this. God made men physically stronger - and for many generations the need for stronger bodies with larger muscles, and thicker bones was for the express purpose of hard labor. Because men can not become pregnant and were not designed by their maker to carry unborn children within them it also seems logical that God intended them to be the steady partner of the home to work the non-stop calendar. As technology has changed the means by which provision is earned has also changed, but the designed intention of fathers has not.

It is a moral and right thing for a man in his truest essence to commit himself to being the breadwinning provider for his home. Any man who seeks the hand of a woman in marriage who is not prepared for this responsibility should not be granted that honor. Because he is not yet truly a man. And women do themselves a tremendous disservice when they are willing to tie themselves down to such a slacker.

God also designed that same physical strength in a man for the purpose of protecting one's family. In more crude times such protection was very physical and the threats were very real. Beastly predators both man and animal caused the father to take on the necessary skepticism, awareness, and wisdom that would serve as a bulwark, literally shielding his family from the horrors that awaited. With today's technology protecting one's family is easier, but no less important. Fathers can and should take all precaution necessary to know who their children are spending time with - online and in person, what curriculum the local school board is planning on teaching, and even as a general rule of thumb - something as simple as being the one to answer the door at night when an unannounced guests rings the bell.

There was a time when etiquette was actually developed from the idea of serving as one's shield. For instance it is always proper for the man to walk on the side of the woman where the greatest possibility of danger may approach. Thus when parading down a street-side walk the man should walk closest to traffic - in the event that a car was to jump the curb the man would thus absorb the blow and possibly save the woman's life.

Opening doors, allowing women to proceed in front of them, assisting a woman up a flight of stairs, across a busy street, or escorting them to their side of an automobile are also simple symbolic gestures of manly protection.

Feminists will argue that all of this shows a sign of inequality and lack of respect for mothers and daughters. They couldn't be more wrong. Such actions show a deeply humble respect and an expression of sacrifice for someone deeply loved and appreciated.

But there is another reason modern feminists reject a strong father today. It is rebellion against God - the ultimate father.

The God who made us was the first to model these aspects of provision and protection. He created this planet with the resources to keep us alive, sustained, and joyous. He created us with minds, free will, and the ability to choose in order to make wise decisions. And just like a father who loves his daughter - even when she rebels and rejects him - and sometimes returns later to apologize; God provides what we have needed - even if we reject Him.

He has also gone to great lengths to protect us from things that will harm us. In all the history of the world His wisdom and instruction still stands as the greatest protection of all. So impacting it has been in fact that every legal system on the planet has accepted his basic ideas - the Ten Commandments - as the basis for their moral, legal, and ethical codes.

Feminists wish to subvert God's plan, order, and instruction in order to create a world that they see as the ultimate reality. A reality that is made in their own image. Scripture refers to that as idolatry.

Thusly feminists have gone to great lengths to show fathers as bumbling idiot boobs in pop culture. Some have gone to great lengths to insist that fathers are completely unnecessary to the future of this world. Some scientists have gone so far as to now attempt to eliminate the need for men all together.

Which is too bad!

Because good men, strong fathers especially - want to protect and provide those they love.

And who in their right mind would argue for anything less?

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Kevin McCullough is the nationally syndicated host of "'Xtreme' Radio and columnist based in New York. He blogs at www.muscleheadrevolution.com. His second book "The Kind Of MAN Every Man SHOULD Be" is in stores now.

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Oh, and while we are on it...
I support gay marriage too! Oooo- scary...

I'm too busy working, taking care of my own life, job, house, body, mind, enjoying my family, friends, pets, etc. to find some obscure reason to care. I work with some lovely individuals who are gay and are too busy doing the same things I'm doing to care- being responsible, productive adults. We are having a life... maybe you should try having one also.

Comments from a Strong- Left Feminist
Wow, this is really scary- well, at least knowing that there are people that buy this story is scary.

I'm a hard, left-wing feminist who is almost bra-burning, and proud of it. I have a fabulous career in a Fortune 50 company, and am going strong.

I am also super-girly, and married to a great man. One of the many reasons I choose him is because I knew he would be a great father. He is quite assertive in his opinion, brilliant, a leader at work, and very supportive of me- in any capacity. I can't imagine having kids alone, and think everyone should think long and hard about who they marry, pick someone you'll be thrilled to be with forever, stay together and provide a stable, happy home for their children. I'm not a big fan of day care, I believe they should have home-cooked meals as much as possible and wives should be a supportive partner in the household (stress- partner).

I think as a feminist I can do whatever I want. I like everybody and cannot understand why there is any debate over which sex should be superior to the other?

You people must lead a sad, sad life. Too bad, because it is so easy to have a happy one if you could just spent time on something else.

A Woman
Do not give your strength to women,
your ways to those who destroy kings
An excellent wife who can find?
She is far more precious than jewels
The heart of her husband trusts in her,
and he will have no lack of gain.
She does him good, and not harm,
all the days of her life.
She seeks cloths and food,
and works with willing hands.
She is like the ships of the merchant;
she brings her food for the family.
She rises while it is yet night
and provides food for her household
She considers a home and buys it;
with the fruit of her hands she maintains the yard.
She dresses herself with strength
and makes her arms strong.
She perceives that her merchandise is profitable.
Her lights do not go out at night.
She opens her hand to the poor
and reaches out her hands to the needy.
She is not afraid of snow for her household,
for all her household are clothed in warmly,
She buys bed coverings for herself;
her clothing is fine linen.
Her husband serves the community
when he sits among the elders.
She makes crafts and sells them;
she delivers to the merchant.
Strength and dignity are her clothing,
and she laughs at the time to come.
She opens her mouth with wisdom,
and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.
She looks well to the ways of her household
and does not eat the bread of idleness.
Her children rise up and call her blessed;
her husband also, and he praises her:
"Many women have done excellently,
but you surpass them all."
Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain,
but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised.
Give her of the fruit of her hands,
and let her works praise her in the community.

I observe a feminist...
...dishonors men and honors women, as, to them, men are bad and women are good.

... in general support divorce; frequently cry victim; if a woman, dye their hair blond; are selfish; had one or more abortions; support homo sex; ignores the poor; shops recreationally; lies; does not help around the home; complains; lazy; materialistic; and, quarrelsome.

Their kids may be in day care. If a woman, the feminist's former boyfriend/husband/father was abusive, cheaters, druggies, drunks, lazy, and or deadbeat.

Causes
Tallil2long writes: Thursday, June, 21, 2007 10:11 AM

"Precisely right. Unfortunately, those who define themselves as feminists often seem to fall into a subtle trap: once the real inequities are eliminated, one has to find other causes with which to identify to maintain the chosen distinctive identity."

We saw that with the March of Dimes - they got polio victim Roosevelt on the dime, and then when polio was eliminated, did they disband? Nope, too much bureaucracy and prestige, so they looked for other causes. Mission creep. Now they do birth defects, premature birth, and low birthweight, a diluted, never ending stream that can be defined however you want. Bet eveyone in 1945 knew what their focus was then, but how many know now?

Hey, I'm not knocking the MoD's work, just affirming what Tallil2long sees.

In response to MJEC
"If that was all feminism were, then no one here would have an objection. What you described is a civil rights issue of equality under the Law, which all of us expect of those who enforce the Law."

Precisely right. Unfortunately, those who define themselves as feminists often seem to fall into a subtle trap: once the real inequities are eliminated, one has to find other causes with which to identify to maintain the chosen distinctive identity.
Now that the big, righteous battles have been won, what remains but quibbling over doubtful, radical, or downright wrong-headed things?
This is the position of American feminism in general.

I believe it is also the pitfall of American progressivism or liberalism. Once the fight for civil rights, etc, was won, the new norms became the province of the conservatives, who generally want to preserve 'what is'. To identify oneself as a liberal or progressive, one must always be seeking NEW causes by which to set oneself apart from the conservatives. Ultimately, a point is reached where all the things that REALLY needed to be changed, have been. Then all that is left is enforcement of the existing norms... or tilting at ever-more-bizarre windmills.
Anyway, that is how it seems to me.

Tallil2long
"Hey, I guess I'm a feminist
I mean, I'm a guy but I want my wife to have the right to vote and exercise political authority; to have the same legal rights as a man; to have the same rights to employment as a man; and to get the same pay for exactly the same work, experience, and tenure as a man."

If that was all feminism were, then no one here would have an objection. What you described is a civil rights issue of equality under the Law, which all of us expect of those who enforce the Law.

What we object to is the double standards and demand of privilege at the expense of our civil rights by villifying males or any other group. The claim of victimization is liberal code for the demand of privilege. The double standard is the means to rationalize privilege by villification. To claim women as a group are victims of necessity is to claim men as a group are villians. There can be no victim without a villian.

Blaming or stereotyping an entire group for the actions of some bad actors is bigotry. Feminism has more than just some bad actors, most of those who espouse Feminism are anti-male bigots as this thread has clearly demonstrated by the attitudes of "who" is the villian. If you understand why the Klan is bad, then you should understand why Feminism is bad, they both claim victimhood as the excuse to treat other groups with contempt.


Hey, I guess I'm a feminist
I mean, I'm a guy but I want my wife to have the right to vote and exercise political authority; to have the same legal rights as a man; to have the same rights to employment as a man; and to get the same pay for exactly the same work, experience, and tenure as a man.

And guess what? she's got all that.

Now, I don't know what homosexual rights have to do with feminism, nor do I know what the right to kill one's unborn offspring without legal justification has to do with feminism. I'm not sure how feminism has anything to do with the right to be excused from the responsibily of your own acts. I don't know what encouraging women to engage in the worst and most risky sexual abuses long attributed to certain men has to do with feminism.

And frankly, having accomplished all those justifiable equal rights missions, the only things that modern feminism has left to fight for are things that really have nothing to do with the welfare of women.

Feminists claw to establish a matriarchy
Thank you Mr. McCullough, and those good women and men who understood the facts behind the story. The Misandry caucus used Father's Day to denigrate men with "The Founding Fathers" supported by FVPF, introduction of new MOMs groups, disparaging comments and sad writing by Blaffer-Hrdy, plagerised by a commentor, here entitled "Why Fathers Fear being Fathers" the extrapolation of antropoligical evidence from interpolated pysschological analysis, at best.
There has been a misandry caucus for about forty years and indeed they seek a matriarchy for strong independent women who are supported by hundreds of non profits, PACS, funds, foundations, FOCs, special laws and entitlements and other strength conditioning equipment.
Fortunately there are strong women who can be social, work together and be empathetic to name but a few traits. McCullough was talking about feminists not strong women.
Kim Gandy used Fathers Day to complain that men do not help around the house enough, yet failed to mention that most households (US Census 2004) are headed by women and that most children are raised by single moms or that eighty percent of divorces and partner splits are iniatated by women.
Most certainly there are males who impregnate just about anything and just about anything allows that behavior.There are too though serial relationship specialists, women incapable of complying with the safe haven act, those who use abortion as birth control, those who perpetuate paternity fraud and those whom you do not leave tooth picks lying around.
Children need both parents and that has been empiraically demonstrated in peer reviewed studies to include Fathers. If we allow society to devalue Fatherhood for four decades, is theere any possibility that we might understand why some men become disenchanted with Fatherhood. All the while there are Fathers, Wifes of Fathers, Parents of Fathers fighting for their children everyday.
Truly,
Robert Van Ee, a DAD
Wyoming, Michigan

Allen
It is still clear that you have not read the article. Are you afraid of (1) learning something, (2) an alternative to feminism, (3) women, (4) a better society?

Speaking of sinless women
Just to point out for some of you defenders of bigotry called Feminism, and claiming women don't get a free pass on commiting crime. What lawful punishment has Ms. Magnum suffered as a consequence of making false accusations against the three Duke LaCrosse boys? Zip, nada.

You have all the proof you need before your eyes as to the existance of double standards in the Law when it comes to charging women for any crime. The term is called "Prosecutorial Descretion", it is up to the police officer and states attorney to arrest and prosecute any crime, respectively. The reason why the stats on women committing crime are rising is due to those enforcing the Law are being pressured by citizens to do so fairly and consistently. IMO, women as a whole are not "more" criminal minded than before, they are being held accountable "more" now than before.

What Passes for Feminists Logic
"Get real. Because the vast majority of women who
kill their husbands or partners do so as self-
protection. It occurs after years of physical abuse on her person. That's why appeals courts
often overturn an original conviction."

Prove it. In the Mary Winkler case no evidence whatsoever was brought forth proving ANY abuse against Mary Winkler or the children by the husband. It was Mary Winkler's word alone.

If we have reached the point in America where women can kill their husbands and walk away simply by throwing out the abuse card, without any direct evidence in court, then we are living in a very very dangerous country for men. And I believe we are.

And if I am to believe that wives killing husbands: "Because the vast majority of women who
kill their husbands or partners do so as self-
protection. It occurs after years of physical abuse on her person." simply because you say so, then I would have to be a fool and an idiot.

Lemonade
Once again Feminists and those who defend this bigotry are in denial about the nature of the human condition. Sin is an equal opportunity offender.

I can scarcely believe you actually justify murder by blaming the victim in claiming women mostly only murder men because of abuse. That is a blatant falsehood spoken by a person who is filled with hatred. Women are not more sinless than men, to claim otherwise is to claim superiority which is the basis of bigotry. Blaming a group as a whole for the actions of some bad actors is bigotry. Stereotyping a group for the benefit of covering yourselves as the victims is the typical tactic of bigots, go see what the Klan does, you have done the same.

The Feminist movement offers a degenerate perversion of equality, the claim of victimhood to demand privilege at the expense of our civil rights. You have no moral right to murder anyone.

Dirty footprints, again
Allen writes: Tuesday, June, 19, 2007 11:46 PM

"Rich D
I'm both happy and gay - ironic, eh?"

No, tautological. But not happy that I'm here, eh? Are you a homosexual, too? It's important for us to know that and for you to inject your sexual preferences into a discussion where they were happily absent until you soiled the carpet.

"But tell me, what explains your ever constant presence here?"

Frankly, I really don't know. They ask me that at the grocery store and the gas station each time I show up.

"Endlessly posting about the ever-growing threat of strong minded ladies is a curious way to sure up ones manhood, dude."

Perhaps some "strong minded" study would "sure" up "ones" command of English. Only three errors per sentence tells me that you went to a public school.

"Seriously, you should find more constructive ways to asert your "manliness" (and no, smacking around the wife doesn't count)"

Ah, the above wasn't serious? I thought not. You're so funny and cute the way you spread your snippets of joy! You could embroider them on little pillows to sell at the flea markets. Now, what would we do without you, Allen?


The Curse of Feminism
One of the biggest curses of Feminism and indeed any sinful way of thinking or sin in general is that feminism like any sin is self-perpetuating. As such, it has led to increases in lesbianism and the divorce rate. It has led to a very high number of single women in their late 30's, 40's, and many single women who will never get married and likely will stay single and childless and family-less for life or "de facto" lesbians, if you will. Thse legions of single perpetually unmarried women are the story the feminist Liberal media is keeping quiet about. Thse women are ubiquitous today. They have jetsetting careers making megabucks often with nothing more than a Mickey Mouse idiot degree or a pretty face to show for themselves, but they have no man in their life. They're successful in financial wealth but quite poor in relational wealth. They put on a real good show with their fancy cars, high couture, fine dining, health club memberships, fancy houses and condos, lavish exotic vacations, mall shopping sprees, and so forth, but deep down these women are hurting and longing deeply for that ever-elusive relationship with a man that their heart longs for. They are living the lie of feminism and trying in vain to convince themselves that men and family doesn't matter. These are the women who are in love with their animals because there is no man to be in love with in their house. Feminism has led to many men avoiding marriage like the plague, especially those men who have been wounded by feminism's favorite anti-male weapon du jour, divorce court. Feminism has created a coarseness in women which is off-putting to men. It has ironically created less feminine women which men find completely unattractive and a waste of our time. When men hear the feminist gospel being preached by their prospective mate, those of us with sense run for the hills. So, as can be readily verified from all this, our native American population is plummeting. The devil has his hands in this movement to destroy the family and threaten the survival of the nation. It's a gospel out of the pit of Hell, but why should we be surprised? It's not the first time women have fallen for a satanic scheme.

The Effeminization of America
has resulted from the Feminist Movement. It has led to Political Correctness, Multiculturalism, and Moral Relativism. It has led to a denial of the Absolute Morality of the Ten Commandments and anything that smacks of "judgmentalism". Christians are called to judge behavior, not the sinner, but the sinner's behavior, but many feminists believe if anything offends one person, it offends all people. Thus, we have the Political Correct insanity that defines our insane country and our insane politics and our insane foreign policy today. It has led to the present state of undeniable horrific danger we find ourselves in today with Liberal America staring lovingly and hypnotically into the eyes of the serpent of terrorism confident that as long as our "feelings" are genuine and sincere, we can soften the hearts of even our enemies. This is national suicidal thinking. The same mindset defines the Illegal immigration issue and indeed the entire Democratic(Mom's)Pantywaist Party. Fathers represent the GOP to feminists becasue the GOP is the Daddy's part or at least it once was. The GOP today has become feminized as well which only adds to the danger. Women were NEVER meant to be protectors of the nation. With feminism and the Democratic Party deliberately usurping this divinely ordainedrole of PROTECTION, a family, a society, and indeed an entire nation will be cursed. God wrote in his Bible about His Word, "Will God be mocked?" Anytime man or woman or a society or a nation chooses to go against the Divine Order, there is always Hell to pay. America will pay the price of Feminism's (cry)Baby, Political Correctness, with a terrorist attack that will make 911 seem like child's play. It's coming; it's just a matter of time. The writing's on the wall. To deny this most certain eventuality is to be living in a fairy tale, but then again, that's what most of this nation is living in these days. It will be poetic justice that just after Hillary is elected and takes the helm in 2009 and the feminist movement and the Democratic Party are celebrating raucously their usurpation of God's Divine Order and the coronation of Hillary, America will be ransacked by a hideous terrorist attack. Yeah, you can kvetch and groan all you want Liberals, but the blood of millions of Americans will be upon your lobotomous minds for promoting the legitimacy of your gospel of Political Correctness, the lovechild of the Feminist Movement and the Gay Rights Movement, a gospel our enemies interpret as effeminate weakness, an open invitation to come blow us to pieces. The blood of all of these innocent Americans will also be on the hands of the RINOS, Corporate America, and Bush who are doing all they can to secure our annihilation instead of securing our borders. America will grow from all this spiritually in the aftermath.

Allen
Your sexism is showing. You imply that lesbian softball players are inferior to men like yourself in that you imply RD is inferior to you. Better be careful of those ideas in a thread like this.

Lemonade
I am confused. Should I answer or not. You said you were out, but you posted under the excuse that you forgot.. I only run these 4 days, but I will check again just for you.

Hey, deep thinkers
I meant to add this in my last post, but forgot.

I noticed that, as usual, most people bring up DV
in women as if we are rapidly approaching a
closing in on men's rate, and those nasty liberal
courts and jurisdictions are giving much lighter
sentences to women.

Think about that for a bit. Why would they give
lighter sentences to women? Because they love and admire women so much more? Because they hate men more?

Get real. Because the vast majority of women who
kill their husbands or partners do so as self-
protection. It occurs after years of physical abuse on her person. That's why appeals courts
often overturn an original conviction. They call
it self-defense, or a pre-emptive strike if you
will. Sort of like what our government has been
doing.

Did that NEVER occur to you, or do you just find
a set of statistics you like and then go with it,
because it suits your purposes.

Every day, I thank God (literally) that I no
longer have to live in the society my mother and
her mother and so on down the line had to live.
Some of our problems may be more intense than theirs, but many of theirs were more intense than
ours. This world will never be without problems.
That is the reserve of Heaven.

But give me the freedom to make my own choices,
and I will live with those results rather than
have my life programmed to someone else's beliefs
in what I can or cannot be and do or cannot do.


"And he shall rule over thee"
One more late thought from my last post:
These are the six words that feminists fear men will call into play.

You see how confued you all are?
When we step away from our God-given rolls, we get all messed up in our thinking. You all are arguing about who did what to whom. Statistics an all. Bu it all comes from running from what we should be doing in the first place.

Genesis 3:16 "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

God gave man rule over the woman. In that role came direction and command AND protection. Someone always has to be the head of an institution. A creation with two heads is a monster. If the men and women of this age would understand this for what it truly is, many of the problems of divorce and marital struggle would disappear. It doesnot give the man the right to abuse or enslave the woman. And it does not give the woman the right to disobey the man. What it does is establish a chain of command in the home, God's first institution, so that children may be raised, bills may be paid and harmony may be carried forth.

Intentional Denial
"As for the statistics, yes women commit adultery, but in lower percentages for an act of adultery with one person and significantly lower for serial acts of adultery. Women also beat up their husbands from time to time, but it barely charts next to the reverse situation. And the same goes for desertion. I have never personally heard of a woman deserting her children. There are those who lose custody, and those with drug problems who sit in jail while her mother takes care of the children. But outright abandonment is
rare, except in novels."

Apparently, you haven't been paying attention to what women are doing now a days when it comes to murder, DV, adultery, child abuse, etc... The cute stereotype of the virtuous woman has been dropped kicked onto the ash heap of history.

Here's something for you to consider in your denial of the nature of any woman: All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Women do not have any lock on virtue, nor do men have any more predisposition to sin than women. Only bigots, i.e. Feminists, believe this of their gender.

BTW-the reason your so called DV stats barely charts is because of the Duluth Model held by the courts, only women can be victims according to their belief system. It's called the double standard, hence they routinely refuse to charge women for DV and worse yet, the police routinely arrest the male in any Domestic dispute call based on the stereotype and the precautionary principal (the rationale to separate two arguing adults).

Women versus Men
"Now, let me see. Women are responsible for the
vast majority of divorces in the U.S. I guess
among the many sins they commit in this area
is the unwillingness to put up with physical
abuse and adultry. Roughly 50%-60% of men admit
to adultry. (AP Press Release) and 4 million
women a year are assaulted by the partner or
spouse. Shame on them. Of course, women are
responsible for some divorces."

Women commit domestic violence with approximately the same frequency of men. Go to:
http://www.mediaradar.org/

And women get away with murder of their husbands much more than men do when murdering their wives. Look at Mary


Also go to:
Winkler.http://www.dvmen.org/dv-139.htm#treatment

"As for the perception that women who murder their husbands are treated harshly by the justice system, Dr. Mann found that few female domestic homicide offenders receive prison sentences, and that those who do rarely serve more than four or five years. Justice Department sources, report that women who kill their husbands were acquitted in 12.9% of the cases, while husbands who kill their wives were acquitted only 1.4% of the time. In addition, women convicted of killing their husbands receive an average sentence of only 6 years, while male spousal killers got 17 years."

Government's feminized presentation of similar data.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/intimates.htm

Also:

By SUE SHELLENBARGER Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL (Personal Journal) -- April 7, 2005; Page D1:

“A rising number of women are having extramarital affairs. In 1991, research showed married men cheated a lot more often, with about one in five admitting to having affairs, compared with one in 10 women. But a 3,000-person study from the National Opinion Research Center in 2002 suggests that the overall rate of extramarital cheating for women is rising rapidly and is approaching that of men, with nearly one in six married women saying they have had affairs.”


Women initiate divorce 8 in 10 times because they have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Women can get away with murdering their husbands more often and with much lower sentencing than men.

In short, this is a man-hating culture where women now possess all the rights and privileges, and men have all the responsibilities and no rights. A man's life is not worth very much in America.

If you have to ask...
...it wouldn't help you if you met one!

Lemonade writes: Tuesday, June, 19, 2007 2:01 PM
Rich D
Let me guess. A girly man is one who does
not pound his chest and roar in the jungle.

Am I close!

No sale, ma'am
viruddh writes: Tuesday, June, 19, 2007 1:50 PM

"Sorry, but I don't see it. In fact, I think it
strengthens my position. The woman has come in
for counseling, most likely in an effort to
save her marriage. And yet Conservat.. (whatever
his moniker is) declares that she has screwed up
the kids and is driving her mate crazy. Not a
"maybe" not a "sometimes" not "shared guilt here." Nope. She is the one. I would love to
believe that he just didn't reread his post
carefully enough and that if he had he would have
reworded it."

What you conclude here is from exegesis. He is simply saying that where the woman is wrong, she is rarely apt to admit it. My clue is that you seem to know what he intended to say, but claim that he didn't word it correctly. He is also talking about his shows where many call in just to be able to grumble for an audience.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Please give my thanks to your Marine for his service. I have Marine son headed for Iraq and another son in the Navy.

Rich D
Let me guess. A girly man is one who does
not pound his chest and roar in the jungle.

Am I close!

Rich D.
OK, so I quoted on "" but it's rare to find one who will honestly admit that she’s screwed up the kids or that she’s driving her mate crazy."

And you said that if I had only added the other
part of the statement ""Many women I counsel with and have interviewed on my radio and TV shows are quick to point out everything their man is doing wrong, but...," it would give it a
different slant.

Sorry, but I don't see it. In fact, I think it
strengthens my position. The woman has come in
for counseling, most likely in an effort to
save her marriage. And yet Conservat.. (whatever
his moniker is) declares that she has screwed up
the kids and is driving her mate crazy. Not a
"maybe" not a "sometimes" not "shared guilt here." Nope. She is the one. I would love to
believe that he just didn't reread his post
carefully enough and that if he had he would have
reworded it.

But the tenor of his entire post suggests he said
exactly what he meant.

The description of Feminism in its barest
form is to have options available to females that through the millennia were denied to them because they were a female. There are many
subdivisions on that, but they do not represent
the vast majority of feminists. That statement
is the core, and always has been.

And leaving it at that, some of the most ardent
feminists I have known have been males and none
of them are "girly men." They include my husband
and my Marine son.



MJEC
"Well talk about ignorance, it is statistically proven that women initiate divorce actions the majority of the time contrary to your false assertion."

Before you start calling people ignorant, you had
better be more informed than you apparently are.

In my original post, I was challenging
Conservativation on his suggestion that women
were the cause of most divorces. And now you
are saying the same thing. The one who instigates the divorce is not necessarily the
one who causes the divorce. Is the woman the
cause of a divorce if she decides to leave because her husband beats her or because he has
committed adultery. In instances such as these,
the man often doesn't want the divorce, but
he is unwilling to quit his behavior.

In pre-lib days, the woman often had no choice because divorce was considered so horrible that she would have no supporters even in her own family, and she had no way of making a living herself.

I did not state that women were perfect and men
were horrible. I have lived with and loved the
same man for 35 years, I have a son, a father,
brothers, sons-in-law, a grandson. I think they are all marvelous. In fact, most the men I know
are just fine.

As for the statistics, yes women commit adultery,
but in lower percentages for an act of adultery with one person and significantly lower for serial acts of adultery. Women also beat up their
husbands from time to time, but it barely charts
next to the reverse situation. And the same goes
for desertion. I have never personally heard of
a woman deserting her children. There are those
who lose custody, and those with drug problems
who sit in jail while her mother takes care
of the children. But outright abandonment is
rare, except in novels.

"Yeap, you're the paragon of what we have come to expect of liberals pushing women's victimization instead of personal responsibility. We know your kind, you a part of the systemic problem being discussed here."

Yep,pardner. I guess you got us liberals pegged
alright. We hate men, we are all victims. We
would kill off all men if we could do that and
still have kids, preferrably girl kids. And
the last thing in the world we are for is personal responsibility, no matter what the arena."

In most places statements like yours would make
the listener blush. There would be a polite
smile, and then a turning of the head to see if
there wasn't someone a little less didactic, a
little more sane to talk to. But you can find
all sorts of listeners here - and applause.
Well, you are welcome to each other. Consider
yourself and your fellow Town Hallers the SYSTEMIC PROBLEM when it comes to logical discussion about Feminism.

Thanks Rich, and I Never..
Thank you Rich for that elucidation..

As for some comments here let me say, for the record-and reiteration-

I am not now, nor have I ever been a Feminist!

Even as kind of a liberal back in college-and with all my time spent around 50% or more liberals..I NEVER considered myself in that sub category of women who were all on about women's "rights" and all this "gurl power" stuff, and anti-men.

I am not sure if it was just a personal instinct towards logic, or decency, or if it was some way of my psyche reaching a latent place bent on survival..that I never had one instinct to act or speak in a way to hurt men..

Lord knows I have may have weathered enough things in my past, that are now safely (-as Christians say-under the Blood of Jesus/i.e healed, being healed, redeemed, forgive, forgotten)-that I *could* have resentment or frustration about certain people. But this has never truly been the case for me. And I say, fortunately!

I think, more than anything, it is God's grace that stopped me from having any interest in that road, which was never attractive to me anyway-a Feminist road..not taken..

I never saw the kindness, decency, sense or wisdom in knocking men for just being who God made them..

I mean, how does that help anyone?
How does that help society?
Humanity?
The men, or me?

To me those jokes always smacked of either a non-thinking clan mentality, or Lesbianism..Or some confused hybrid..

Being strongly heterosexual AND a Christian, I never could feel that speaking ill of the men in my life, or men in general, was anything but unhealthy, not normal, and a sad trend of brainwashed thinking..

The strides that were very initially made *for* women in the 1920's/decades ago, might have, in some mild ways, been a good thing.

Ultimately though, Feminism has grown into a monster, which feeds on the very blind selfishness, and self-congratulation of any movement where self is made 'god'.

And certain people are lifted up as *the* arbiters of the brainwashed answers, and they share why we are so unfortunate that we don't know those 'secret' answers they do..

How do I love a man by assuming his very existence as a creation of God is useless,
or less than me?

How do I let him happily perform his God-given duties as a blessing to himself, me and others,
if I am off cutting him down to myself, and others, in my words, in my mind? Or reading such propaganda, or amongst 'friends'?

How do I honestly treat this man, any man, with the respect and decency with which God would have me treat them, if I am questioning the good he does, and scrutinizing every move, as if I am the authority about men-when it is God who made women and men?

How do I let myself be blessed as a female, if I am knocking down the very people that God placed on the Earth to help me, and be with me, and love me and make my life and world a better place? As I try to do with and for them?

God rue the day that just all men or all women rule the Earth..

That may be paradise for certain homosexuals..

But it has nothing to do with the will of God,
or
not lifting up a life of twisted narcissism, or thinking about what He has to say..

Oh yes, and we are not "Moderate" Conservatives either..:^)




Selective quoting
viruddh writes: Tuesday, June, 19, 2007 4:44 AM

"Conservativation
There are a lot of scary and dumb posts from
this column but yours is the worst. The reason
I say this is because you are a minister and a
counselor. I could scream with rage. No wonder
Christianity has a bad name these days."

Ma'am, a re-reading of the original reveals that you pulled the quotes out of context. Why don't you go back and take one or two at a time and rebut them within their context? That, I think, would be a better contribution to learning and would prevent the topic degeneration that is so prevalent on this forum.

For example, you quote:

" but it's rare to find one who will honestly admit that she’s screwed up the kids or that she’s driving her mate crazy."

without the initial elipsis. The careful reader will see that the context was defined by what you misleadingly left out:

"Many women I counsel with and have interviewed on my radio and TV shows are quick to point out everything their man is doing wrong, but..."

Doesn't this considerably narrow the population to "many", but not "all", or even "most", and only to those who have the motivation to call to complain?

Note: I'm neither supporting nor rejecting the original poster's claims, but please don't be dishonest with selective quoting. Can we take the example of you (one person who has a computer and spare time) and your hearsay testimony as a representative sample of "feminists"? Perhaps you could start by telling us what that term means to you. I'll be darned if I know what one is, but I do know what feminine is when I see it. I also know what a girly man is.

s.d.g.

viruddh
"Now, let me see. Women are responsible for the
vast majority of divorces in the U.S. I guess
among the many sins they commit in this area
is the unwillingness to put up with physical
abuse and adultry. Roughly 50%-60% of men admit
to adultry. (AP Press Release) and 4 million
women a year are assaulted by the partner or
spouse. Shame on them. Of course, women are
responsible for some divorces. But your post
would suggest that she is virtually always at
fault. One of the most absurd accusations I have
ever heard."

Well talk about ignorance, it is statistically proven that women initiate divorce actions the majority of the time contrary to your false assertion.

Also revealing your anti-male attitudes you then go on to blame males for adultery, DV and absentism ("They were never there") as though women never do such things. Yeap, you're the paragon of what we have come to expect of liberals pushing women's victimization instead of personal responsibility. We know your kind, you a part of the systemic problem being discussed here.

BTW-there aren't any real stats on which gender does the bulk of adultery, it's all subjective depending on who you get your info from. The bottom line however, is regardless if you are male or female, the person who commits adultery harms their spouse in many ways, it doesn't have to be physical striking.


Conservativation
There are a lot of scary and dumb posts from
this column but yours is the worst. The reason
I say this is because you are a minister and a
counselor. I could scream with rage. No wonder
Christianity has a bad name these days.


" but it's rare to find one who will honestly admit that she’s screwed up the kids or that she’s driving her mate crazy."

"feminists have long perpetuated the myth that the straight, traditional American male is a Neanderthal"


"The mistake they make is that they're looking for love from the wrong source. Men shouldn't look for love from women."


"In a relationship the man often has an unnatural need for his wife or girlfriend. He's addicted to her approval and to her sex."


"There's been a deliberate plan to wipe out masculinity in society. When you wipe out the man you wipe out God, because the man represents God on earth."


"And women must be willing to admit their role in driving fathers out of homes. "

Now, let me see. Women are responsible for the
vast majority of divorces in the U.S. I guess
among the many sins they commit in this area
is the unwillingness to put up with physical
abuse and adultry. Roughly 50%-60% of men admit
to adultry. (AP Press Release) and 4 million
women a year are assaulted by the partner or
spouse. Shame on them. Of course, women are
responsible for some divorces. But your post
would suggest that she is virtually always at
fault. One of the most absurd accusations I have
ever heard.

So women are responsible for family dysfunction,
and men should not love women (are you gay?) and
men are the representation of God here on earth
(change "men" to "people" and you would sound
positively New Age). Every feminist tries to
demasculate men and hate them.

I cannot tell you how glad I am that you are not
my counselor (if I had one), that you are not my
minister, that I never have to step inside your
church or listen to your radio program, that you
are not my husband, that you are not the father
of my children. In fact , I wish I could get you
to quit calling yourself a Christian. I want to remain proud of my religion. I am tired of
explaining my religion to people who think that
Christianity exists only in your format. That is
sort of like describing all feminists the way
you and Mr. McCullough describe them when the
vast, vast, vast majority of feminists don't
identify with that crap at all.

Every feminist I know like men, almost all are
married and almost all of those have children.
Most work or did when we were younger, none of
them had truant children or delinquents or
children with drinking or drug problems. Most
have gone to college and have good jobs, almost
all have a religion similar to that of their
parents. The fact that mom worked didn't ruin
the kids' lives or the husband's lives. The
men are not wimps. Not a one of them, least of
all my husband.

Before I end this post, we have not even yet
discussed those men who don't hang around long
enough to marry the mother. They don't desert.
They were never there.





Some Clarifications
1) A feminist is a person of either gender who, in a firefight, will not fail to shoot and kill a woman if she is using deadly force. This is the untimate measure of treating both genders the same.
2) "Religions" do not threaten people with Hell. The Bible (KJV) does.
3) God is masculine. He is a He. Try running "hidden man of the heart" through your concordance and see what you get. Read the first four verses of that chapter. Wow. Women have a hidden MAN in their heart.

Dear MrsV
I post for two reasons, and these might encourage you to persevere:

(1) I have no problem with atheists and agnostics, especially if they have seen the Truth enough to make a fair assessment. What happens most of the time is that some drive-by or troll will come in and try to get away with dishonestly slamming an article with a religious theme.

This dishonesty takes one of three forms: (a) ad hominem attacks on the author or posters, (b) unsupported statements like "that fairy-tale stuff has been discredited" or "science has proven that wrong", or (c) the God of the Bible is mean, angry, doesn't make sense, didn't really say that, the Bible is full of contradictions, or this verse wasn't translated correctly.

Argument (a) isn't really an argument; they can't back up (b); and they usually quote some atheist argument for (c).

(2) There are hundreds of Christians who are not taught how to defend the faith as we are asked to do. In fact, most don't know that Christianity is more properly a faith, and not a religion. If you know that, you can immediately challenge comparisons to "other" religions. By engaging the drive-bys, I hope to encourage Christians to think about their faith and learn enough to defend it. I also hope to trigger those who know enough, but are perhaps too timid or afraid of what they might look like if they err or don't know all of the answers to jump in. After all, they can always say "I don't know, but will get an answer." One of us will jump in, for sure.

Here's the bottom line - if a drive-by is going to reject (or accept!) Christianity, he going to have to do so for what it is, and not what he thinks it is or what wants it to be. It's our job to make sure that he knows what it is, but the Holy Spirit's job to take it from there. So I can say on one level that I don't really care whether he believes or not and pass the buck to the HS, but I am commanded to care that he gets the Truth about it. If I see that he rejects it knowingly, or that other posters have already presented it to him, I shake the dust off my sandals and move on. You will know if you offer your peace and it is not accepted. The exception to this is that if he is spreading false information that might affect the salvation of others, I will not let that pass unchallenged. I also love to yank the chains of the pompous, but you will not find me making direct personal attacks.

I'm sorry it took this many words to tell you my reasoning, but I hope that it was helpful to all Christians out there. Just remember, all heresy starts with a misunderstanding of God.

Rich

s.d.g.

I remember seeing Andrea Dworkin...
I saw Andrea Dworkin on TV a couple of times. It didn't take clairvoyance to see that this was a badly, deeply abused woman. Some man or men treated her horribly. It showed on her face. It was unmistakable.

I always felt real compassion for Ms. Dworkin; but I also always wondered how any person, having seen her once, could possibly take a single word out of her mouth seriously. Nothing could have been more obvious than that she was taking out her personal rage and anguish against all men everywhere.

This is the spirit of modern feminism.

Rich D..lol
Rich D wrote:

"Back to food: Fortunately, we a have a love match going here, and Arby can always go to Marie's for crow. And Marie can go to Arby's for chicken sandwiches."

lol, Rich D. Oh, I *am* glad you are here!

Finally some soul here to see past this mess, and be decent enough to help stand along side the like minded..Please stick around Rich-and people like him..I've been stuck in a hole between others perfection..and my perceived..
and I can't get up..

Too rich, Rich :^)

And what comic relief from the heavy burden I must bear here at Townhall..
What with keeping up ma' reputation as:

Arrogant and insulting Queen hybrid of

Mrs. Doubtfire,
Martha Stewart,
Mother Teresa,
Mary Poppins,
Annie Oakley,
Cruella Deville..

With all that personality hopping..
who has time to spell sandwich correctly?

lol, roflol


Conservation
"The resulting inner pain causes men to overreact, and literally shift into a "fight or flight" response.
To avoid the inner and outer conflict, a man will leave his wife (or girlfriend) and his children. "

You missed one on this, but given your lengthy post, it is too hard to get everything. You forgot to mention the contraversial one, that if the guy tries to stay, "fight" response where he tries to reason or tries to get couseling, the male typically is ejected by a Domestic Violence finding. Why is that? Because in the women's groups the first thing each and every woman is taught is so called Domestic Violence. This is where men are villified as female bashing, knuckle dragging Neanderthals who's mere presence is a potential "threat" to her and the kid's safety, this done to the point of paranoia. So any time there are raised voices in a heated argument, the male is immediately guilty of Domestic Violence because she "felt threatened". This also goes for throwing something on the ground, kicking the wall or any hand gesture on the part of the male. If a female does any of those things, she isn't guilty because in the view of the court she doesn't have the physical stature to threaten a male. (You gotta love the rationale for double standards) Based on this alone, this "feeling of fear" without any prior history of physical force, the male is jailed for 24 hours (in many localities) for a so called cooling off period on top of being homeless for another 6 days and then comes the so called Hearing. This cooling off period is really preventative detention which is illegal/unconstitutional, however this is what judges have done because their actions of Ex Parte increased not decreased Domestic Violence. If you never have seen a domestic violence hearing I recommend you go and sit in on one, that's if the judge will let you! It will be one of the most frightening displays of judical arrogance and guilt by stereotyping you can ever experience.

So bottom line there folks, the legal climate is so hostile toward males, if you find yourself upset repeatedly with your female partner, it's time for divorce because any attempt to argue will be used as a justification for her finger to push on the nuclear button leaving you with no place to stay, the police hounding you, and then having a judge self righteously point the finger at your during the inevitable divorce proceedings as being a basher. BTW-All her friends will be supporting her 100% of the way because "she is the victim in all this". And you wonder why the number of marriages are declining?



Sandwiches?
MrsV, you were hardly getting personal by telling Arby to stick to sandwiches instead of telling us what the Bible says. It's no different from saying don't quit your day job to become a preacher.

These folks are, as you say, selectively "sensitive" and certainly humorless, viz. Marie getting in a wad over my comment that God does have a gender (as a word), but not a sex (as an attribute), and a title (Father) that He commands. Her defense of the current PC corruption of a good word to cloud the issue shows a lack of depth in the typical God-basher's argument and a desire to avoid ral substance. In almost every case, they first set up THEIR heretical definition of God as a strawman, and bash that due to a lack of education, or due to a selfish desire to create a god in their own image that doesn't interfere with their chosen lifestyles or "role in life". It's a short step from that to moral relativism.

Back to food: Fortunately, we a have a love match going here, and Arby can always go to Marie's for crow. And Marie can go to Arby's for chicken sandwiches.

Arby
There is something manic here.

you were right

Hypocrites?
Arby charges: "As usual, this site is filled with a collection of vehement and vitriolic Christians who essentially demand: Do it my way, think my way or else I am going to spew a ton of venom your way, call you names and insult you every which way from Sunday. Ah, just like Jesus would do in the Bible, right?"

He follows up with:

"Mrs. V
You couldn't have made my point better. You got quite a tongue there for a person who calls herself a Christian and says the Bible is her guide about how to behave and treat others.

Coulda' fooled me."

---------------

Proving her point once again. You really don't know the Bible, do you? For reference, here are all of the name-calling posts here that I can find. One guess: Is Arby right and did the Christians make them?

[begin virtiol]

Not quite sure - but just look at him. The guys head is HUGE!

Beady little eyes, too. He kinda looks like a rat.

A fat-headed rat.

McCullough is nuts

ugly little man

And yes, he's a fat-head

fathead, fathead, fathead

Sorry this offends you all...actually, no I'm not.

[end virtiol]




Please Pray For Kevin McCullough's Wife
I just wanted to take a moment to ask anyone who sees this to lift up a life-giving/healing prayer, and if you don't pray, kind thoughts for Mr. McCullough's Wife.

She has not been feeling well, and could use your prayers for complete deliverance, in every way, and for a full and complete recovery, and that all her medical tests are normal.

We ask you to lift her up as often as you lift this columnist up in good prayers which wish the best for him.

And, also for everyone who posts at Townhall.
For God's blessings, salvation, health, guidance and deliverance in their lives.

Please also pass this on to all the Christians you know. And don't forget Mr. Kevin Foley, who had also been ill.


Please pass it on..

1Cor13/Psalm91

Thank you

For Arby..
Arby wrote:

"Mrs. V You couldn't have made my point better. You got quite a tongue there for a person who calls herself a Christian and says the Bible is her guide about how to behave and treat others. Coulda' fooled me."

No Arby. I think you made my point..
I have seen this here time and again...

A Christian, or Conservative, makes a clear point, and sees through a pattern or an argument clearly. This person simply speaks, and calls a spade a spade, so to speak, as I've done with you..

If that person is a Christian-particularly a woman-and they don't mince words but state and see some words or behavior for what they are..as I think I have with you here..they are suddenly
'not a Christian'..

I don't buy it..

If you have no reply and another sees through your comments, so be it..I won't lie and say it's never happened to me..

I am tired of the manipulation -here-of others though, calling our Christianity or Christian ethics into question if we have clarity, or see through a person, behavior, or argument or notion..

I don't buy that you and your company are suddenly hurt and wounded because a Christian stands up and calls your behavior what it is..

You folks are just as satisfied to throw words about randomly to misjudge us, but God forbid we should have moments of clear awareness-and the ability to say it- when it comes to folks like you..

Then we are 'unkind', or 'arrogant' or 'unloving', or 'insulting', and we should demure to the back of the bus, because suddenly we have hurt you..

And suddenly you folks have delicate feelings..which you never had in the original discussions when it came to others..

I *am* sorry if my sharing placed a spotlight on you and similar commenters who have done wrong..and that I made a joke about an eatery and you.

But, if you are going to throw about words about us and talk as if you can judge our very hearts, and you do no wrong..

Well, then, I think you ought to step back with true pause and think about who you're talking about and what you're actually saying..

There are thinking people with true hearts and clarity in their mental processes who live for God Arby.

And, though some may not be able to put it in a word, they are everywhere, and not just at Townhall.com

I suggest some day you take a tip from them..

And make a note or two..




She followed the Rx, one step at a time.
Marie follows my "Recipe for liberal gruel".

Notes: (1) = recipe step. My responses are in []s, are prefaced by "rd", or follow dashed line.

(1) Shoot mouth off with unsubstantive irrelevancies. Aiming not necessary and discouraged.

But WHY??!! the following:
""But there is another reason modern feminists reject a strong father today. It is rebellion against God - the ultimate father.""

McCullough is nuts
or
GAWD has told him that the only way to control those uppity women is threaten them with hell.

The part that is atrocious is the Bible waving.

----------------

Ad hominem attack to start, irrelevant and lying accusation of a threat, non sequitur. QED

(2) Congratulate other drive-bys for their perspicuity, as pot & kettle collection grows.

Gestell

We desperately need MORE like you!

----------------

Lovey-dovey kiss for another drive-by poster. How sweet. Desperately given, too. QED

(3) Feign shock and surprise that there could be another side.

Am I supposed to be impressed? cowed? suddenly see God in a book written by men for men?

I find it extraordinary that anyone expects (even demands) that everyone else must follow, honor, and respect their version of what the Bible says.

----------------

QED

(4) Ignore all challenges to debate substance.

rd: Marie posts a definition that included rights already settled and existing. So what's the point? Are you in danger of losing your right to vote? Own property? Enter contracts?

Marie: No response.

rd: Funny, I didn't see anyone threaten you. What exactly do you feel threatened about? Maybe we can help.

Marie: No response.


rd: Because McCullough was making points that you need to rebut with considered evidence…

Marie’s response: um ? was this bit of nonsense a little 'joke'? or rhetorical?

rd: Can you and will you?

Marie: No response.

----------------

QED

(5) Claim that you don't understand the challenges.

obviously I struggle… [QED]

I suppose I'm just dazzled by the illogic. [QED]

[rd: Now watch this sequence escalate in her mind.]

Thank you for your follow-up post - it certainly wasn't necessary. [Make nice-nice first]

I find it extraordinary that anyone expects (even demands) that everyone else must follow, honor, and respect their version of what the Bible says. [Shock and awe.]

I, in no way, expect or hope that you agree with me. But, I fail to understand how you can expect me to be impressed? or acknowledge your version of my 'proper' place in the world - based on a BOOK! [Build a strawman.]

NO, I have NO respect for anyone or any religion that screeches and threatens me with HELL if I reject their version of my role in life. [Torch it!]

----------------

QED

(6) Simmer for 10 minutes, then blame the people who attempt to engage you.

Again you never managed to declare any substance. [sic]

try spell check [sic!]

----------------

QED

(7) Claim, when pressed, that there is no way to rebut the original article.

The article's title is false, as in not true, in other words a lie.

As to McCullough - there is no 'logical' way to rebut circular logic.

----------------

QED

(8) Stir in several head-shakes and tut-tuts at the stupidity of those who think that the original article has substance.

TY Arby
they certainly prove your point [sic]
take care :) [sic]

The circularity in his opinions is simple - the Bible says it is the word of God, therefore the Bible is the word of God. [sic]

you lied [sic]

----------------

QED

(9) When done, pat self on back, then slip away feeling self-righteous and cleansed.

Repeat, as necessary, on another thread.

See you there, sweetie.

Marie responds: Further…omniscience.

----------------

So, she admits that I have it correct. QED

Thank you for confirming my recipe. BTW, you're a great cook. What kind of sauce do you prepare with your crow?

Cheers!

Why
One in three American children live in fatherless homes. One out of three.
This is a national disaster. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Department of Justice, Department of Health and Human Services and the U.S. Census Bureau: 63 percent of all youth suicides; 71 percent of pregnant teenagers; 85 percent of all youth in prisons; 90 percent of all homeless and runaway children; and 71 percent of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes.
Those sobering numbers represent the "what" of fatherless homes. Perhaps you have heard some of these numbers before. But what you haven't heard is the "why" of fatherless homes. There's a reason you haven't.
Why do fathers leave their children?
And why is society afraid to address the actual reason why men leave?



According to popular myth, men leave because they’re irresponsible and don’t care about their families. Yes, there’s a very small segment of the male population who are guilty of this, but for most American men this is not the case.
Most fathers don’t want to leave their children. They love their kids and want to be engaged in every aspect of their lives. Men hurt and feel pain when they cannot be with their kids. To suggest otherwise is not only insulting to men, it’s a bold-faced lie.
Society routinely degrades fathers. Men are typically depicted by Hollywood as inadequate and useless beings who are nothing more than comedic props.
According to a 1994 study of 500 women in Redbook Magazine, "only eleven percent of mothers value their husband’s input when it comes to handling problems with their children."
In my work as a minister and counselor over the past 17 years, I've talked with countless couples and have noticed that women are angry and men don’t know how to deal with this anger. Everyone can see that "mom" has issues; the father knows it; the kids know it too. The mistake they make is reacting to this anger with their own anger and fear. The resulting inner pain causes men to overreact, and literally shift into a "fight or flight" response.
To avoid the inner and outer conflict, a man will leave his wife (or girlfriend) and his children.
Many women I counsel with and have interviewed on my radio and TV shows are quick to point out everything their man is doing wrong, but it's rare to find one who will honestly admit that she’s screwed up the kids or that she’s driving her mate crazy.
It's time that we look at the role women play in driving men out of the home and separating them from their children. That’s not to say that men don't bear the brunt of the responsibility for their weakness. Men need to learn how to deal with women with strength and patience – this is love.
The role that women play in fathers leaving the home is never discussed on Oprah or written about in any notable publications. This is because women are viewed as innocent and harmless creatures. On the other hand, feminists have long perpetuated the myth that the straight, traditional American male is a Neanderthal.
Most women themselves don't understand why they provoke and agitate their spouse to lash out or run away. They don't understand the subtle control they have over weak men.
Men typically marry for love and to raise children. The mistake they make is that they're looking for love from the wrong source. Men shouldn't look for love from women. Rather they should find God's love and pass that love down to the wife and children.
There's an order to life: God in Christ, Christ in man, man over woman, and woman over children. When this order is broken or violated you have "hell" on earth.
In a relationship the man often has an unnatural need for his wife or girlfriend. He's addicted to her approval and to her sex. The woman senses this wrong need the man has and she begins to test him. Often times, men find themselves giving in more and more in order to a receive her favor. Sometimes the demands of the woman become unbearable to the point that the man may lash out – I'm not saying this is right, but this is the reality. There's been a deliberate plan to wipe out masculinity in society. When you wipe out the man you wipe out God, because the man represents God on earth. Then there’s no truth – no light – and no hope for the family.
God is the source of love – not the woman. When a man comes to understand this he develops the love and courage necessary to properly handle "the heat in the kitchen."
And women must be willing to admit their role in driving fathers out of homes. They must learn to love what is good in their man and to resist hating his weakness – only then will there be peace in our homes.
________________________________________


Mrs. V
You couldn't have made my point better. You got quite a tongue there for a person who calls herself a Christian and says the Bible is her guide about how to behave and treat others.

Coulda' fooled me.


De-Selection Holocaust
"She promised that after the break Dr. Manny Alvarez would explain how researchers had discovered a way to create sperm like cells from another female that would successfully eliminate the need for male participation in the conception of children. She ended her tease, "imagine a world without men!" "

Seeing this response to the idea of eliminating men speaks to the insidious hate filled stereotyping of males. The very idea of substituting science in place males is born of hatred. What's worse, the female saying this "imagine a world without men!" reveals the unspeakable glee of bigotry.

However, there is even a more dangerous undercurrent beyond the anit-male bigotry expressed by such women, it is the willingness to make the government the "father". Has it occured to anyone that in the liberal emotionalism of creating government and NGO programs for fatherless children or rather the euphesim of children of single parents, the real intent was to destroy the social order? What did Lenin say: "Destroy the family, you destroy the country." Are not the very people (Feminists) who advocate removal of the male, the very people who ally themselves with Socialism?

Arby, stick to sandwhiches
Arby wrote:

"You go, girl. Sanctimonious best describes some of the reactions to your posts here. Like Mrs. V
As usual, this site is filled with a collection of vehement and vitriolic Christians who essentially demand: Do it my way, think my way or else I am going to spew a ton of venom your way, call you names and insult you every which way from Sunday. Ah, just like Jesus would do in the Bible, right?"

I think you best rethink your definition of that word-sanctimonious-Arby. Because you are aiming such words at the wrong people. I see no vehemence or vitriol here. And it is awfully odd to talk about venom, when the only ones truly expressing that here have been the ones who speak as you do..

What do you know from Jesus and the Bible? You just said you don't..and so did your friend here, marie. Now you are claiming you have insight into a person whose book you have never read? I know about people from spending time in their presence or listening to them..You and your friends here have no knowledge of the Bible..So how are your sharings honest, enlightened or free?

"The message, "think my way" is the opposite of the freedom that everyone here writes about wanting to protect. Dear ole' Mrs. V has a Mrs. Doubtfire way about her at first, but I don't think she differs substantially than the crowd who would stone you to death for your beliefs.
Again, you go, girl."

No one gave that message here at all. Every Christian, me, others, Kevin included, have pointed to the Word of GOD as our guide which is the Holy BIBLE. No one said a word about glorying in themselves and their *own* opinions..That is the domain of you and some of your other friends going on and on here..

As for your Mrs. Doubtfire comment, I have seen the ads, but not the film. I look nothing like her, nor, thank God, like any other man dressed as a woman-playing a 65 year old or not.I probably look younger than most of you. And am around the same age, I would imagine..give or take..Not that that matters..

As for your *you go girl* to a poster, I ask 'For what'? For ferreting out special info about the Christians here? For finding a special sullied motive of ours? Or the key to our hearts?? What is this person to *go* for? Other than silly prideful bantering, and confused replies and protestations?

What makes people like you and marie think that just because you shun the Bible and lie about God's people you have the right to play God? When it comes to talking of others whose hearts you don't know..Folks like you and marie strut on here and think we Christians must shut up, unless we are 'gentle and kind'..Or, we don't please you..I see that jig and it's up..Because I know it's code for:

"Shut up Christian and back up, so I can run my mouth and slander you, and run my mouth some more, in my own self fashioned form of personal piety. By way of liberalism..and god my way"

What a joke..

And who are you fooling?


Rich D
"Marie laments: "As to McCullough - there is no 'logical' way to rebut circular logic.""

Lament?
no,it was a statement -

'off topic'??
your rants are on topic??, you lied - I used no 'man-hating rhetoric'.

What debate is there in allowing you to try and put me on the defense ? spewing accusations is not debate.
eg. " your man-hating rhetoric, ad hominem atttacks, non sequiturs "
*******************

The article's title is false, as in not true, in other words a lie.
- Feminists DO NOT Fear Fathers -

McCullough cites God numerous times as the basis for his opinions. The circularity in his opinions is simple - the Bible says it is the word of God, therefore the Bible is the word of God.

'(1) Shoot mouth off with unsubstantive irrelevancies. Aiming not necessary and discouraged.'

Irrelevant as in your diversion into gender v sex?
or your reference to a 'PC" dictionary - in what way? it failed to include your version/definition?

"(4) Ignore all challenges to debate substance."

Again you never managed to declare any substance.

"(6) Simmer for 10 minutes, then blame the people who attempt to engage you."
Odd, oh my, must be your omniscience.

"(7) Claim, when pressed, that there is no way to rebut the orignal article."
try spell check

"(8) Stir in several head-shakes and tut-tuts at the stupidity of those who think that the original article has substance.
(9) When done, pat self on back, then slip away feeling self-righteous and cleansed."

Further adult debate and/or omniscience.


reply for marie..
*I was not going to come back to this to post. I came back to reply to a few, as a courtesy. My replies are below.?*

marie wrote

"Mrs V. I had thought, prior to your 10:15 post to me, that you seemed a gentle kind Christian."

I don't see anything I've done or said here that disputes that-not from anything I've seen..We all
can have moments-no one is perfect-I condescended to be especially kind to you because I wanted to be kind, and clear.

I say condescend, because I knew some who don't know better would imagine by coming back to be kind is some form of concession on my part-or a suggestion that you have been right or have the moral highground. But you aren't, and you don't...No matter how you may have subsequently spoken on here..

There is no need to slander someone you don't know because that bothered you..Is a person not kind because they are honest and clear in their expressions? Because they don't agree with you? Because they call things as they see them?

I normally would not reply to a commenter as yourself..If I see a spirit of attention-seeking, mixed with prideful expressions, and contention..Not a mix I would be drawn to indulging..Sorry, but true..I think Truth should be raised up in these discussions. And expressions done God's way-decent and respectful expressions..Not an entire group of post-ers focusing on any one commenter..

"I, in no way, expect or hope that you agree with me. But, I fail to understand how you can expect me to be impressed? or acknowledge your version of my 'proper' place in the world - based on a BOOK!" "NO, I have NO respect for anyone or any religion that screeches and threatens me with HELL if I reject their version of my role in life."

My replies to you were to share that no one here is 'impressed' with *your* not being 'impressed', marie. And that is all..

Yes, we understood your communique' about this earlier. And my reply is the same..That God, nor His followers..nor those who do honor Him by following His Word, are impressed by a mere human expressing doubt or a lack of faith..

With all due respect, marie, your five minutes of fame here about why you don't believe are about up..

Every one here is equally free to share their views, as are you..

You are simply not saying anything fabulous, or original, or outstanding, or especially noble, or noteworthy..

And an effort to judge me, who you do not know, because I went out of my way to be kind, in making sure I was not harsh towards you, hardly makes you-or anyone-an expert on *me* here..

No more than those who shun God's Word have any special insight into that topic, or God..

Yeesh.
This thread went very South, very fast, didn't it?

Well, there's not much point banging our heads against the wall for a second day in a row, but just some things I've noticed:

One, to say that God is neither male nor female is playing with words. Flip to a page in the Bible and God is referred to as "He", what He owns is called "His", and He's called "Father".

Further, since we're playing with words, "God" is the masculine version of the word "god", as opposed to "Goddess". "Lord", too, is a masculine noun, the male title of nobility, rank, power, etc.

I actually agree with the person who dismissed the Bible. Just my opinion here - but, even if it is Divinely-written, it's still just words on pages and is a flimsy thing to build the faith on. In my opinion, that's what makes so many modern Christians weak. There's real Grace in us all, which separates us from the World and lets us see clearly and act with conscience. If we tune into that, we each could write the Bible ourselves, especially the New Testament.

Still, the "flimsiness of words" argument applies the more to the words of the culture. We're taught words that express ideas about gender, equality, love, niceties, etc. that are not only flimsy, but also false. Those fall away, too.

Christians reject the worldly idea of gender equality...because it's wrong. Nobody actually thinks that the genders are equal.

And, as for the "barefoot and pregnant" argument, that's just absurd - nobody cares what you wear on your feet.

Kidding.

But, like Gestell said, women need to know that there are still men who would subjugate women. I'm one of them, and I'll call it out with a trumpet - the rise of women is the fall of a nation. The country would be a better place if men were in charge of everything that mattered; the only reason that isn't as clear as it once was is that the mothers of the past have broken the patriarchy and femininized modern men. As all things Leftist are feminine, the vote should be taken away from women. Still going - the most important thing a women can do for society is birth it. Careers matter less, education matters least. The only women who reproduce at replacement levels are the women who've never seen the inside of a college.

All that is also true.




Recipe for liberal gruel
Marie laments: "As to McCullough - there is no 'logical' way to rebut circular logic."

Well, it's certainly clear that YOU'VE failed to. If you're the best mind for your side, then we will accept your conclusion. Each of your posts gets farther off topic. This is typical of the drive-bys who come in:

(1) Shoot mouth off with unsubstantive irrelevancies. Aiming not necessary and discouraged.
(2) Congratulate other drive-bys for their perspecuity, as pot & kettle collection grows.
(3) Feign shock and surprise that there could be another side.
(4) Ignore all challenges to debate substance.
(5) Claim that you don't understand the challenges.
(6) Simmer for 10 minutes, then blame the people who attempt to engage you.
(7) Claim, when pressed, that there is no way to rebut the orignal article.
(8) Stir in several head-shakes and tut-tuts at the stupidity of those who think that the original article has substance.
(9) When done, pat self on back, then slip away feeling self-righteous and cleansed.

Repeat, as necessary, on another thread.

See you there, sweetie.

goodness
obviously I struggle to recognize your 'joking reference' and your 'oblique reference to a joke'.

"Why care? Because McCullough was making points that you need to rebut with considered evidence, not your man-hating rhetoric, ad hominem atttacks, non sequiturs about "Bible waving" and "those uppity women", and a pc dictionary."

um ? was this bit of nonsense a little 'joke'? or rhetorical? I suppose I'm just dazzled by the illogic.


As to McCullough - there is no 'logical' way to rebut circular logic.

Diffusion and hubris
Marie, let's not pretend that trashing the language makes communication easier. Gender is a grammatical term refering to the the agreement between parts of speech, and not the sex of plants and animals. Gender is masculine, feminine, or neuter; sex of plants and animals is male and female (or asexual, bisexual, etc.).

The joking reference was to a correction that AudiR10 made. The word "God" does have gender, and is masculine (not male) in all languages that I know of where gender is used, as in El Dios.

God Himself does not have the attibute of sex as animals do, but He did ask us to think of Him as a Father, and not a mother, so masculine (not male) pronouns are appropriate.

Why care? Because YOU made the point first. How nice of you to ignore the subject at hand and focus on an oblique reference to a joke.

Why care? Because McCullough was making points that you need to rebut with considered evidence, not your man-hating rhetoric, ad hominem atttacks, non sequiturs about "Bible waving" and "those uppity women", and a pc dictionary.

Can you and will you?

TY Arby
they certainly prove your point

take care :)

Marie
You go, girl. Sanctimonious best describes some of the reactions to your posts here. Like Mrs. V:

"I am sure you were not intentionally intending to come off as proud, or disrespectful about these things..I would think it's a safe bet-though I am not a betting person-that most who speak as you do really are not giving so much thought into what they are actually saying when they mock God's Word, it's just a spontaneous comment.."

As usual, this site is filled with a collection of vehement and vitriolic Christians who essentially demand: Do it my way, think my way or else I am going to spew a ton of venom your way, call you names and insult you every which way from Sunday. Ah, just like Jesus would do in the Bible, right?

The message, "think my way" is the opposite of the freedom that everyone here writes about wanting to protect. Dear ole' Mrs. V has a Mrs. Doubtfire way about her at first, but I don't think she differs substantially than the crowd who would stone you to death for your beliefs.

Again, you go, girl.

??? your point RichD
you asked the definition of feminist.


"So, a political commentator can't venture the point that some of what passes for "feminist" thought comes from people who profess atheism? Read again the quotes above from Denis and tell me what religion the authors are."

WHY CARE what the religion is re. the quotes from Denis?

I am sure Torquemada & Cromwell called themselves Christians. I do NOT infer that their acts were indeed Christian acts.

Misuse of the word gender? - 'the state of being male or female' ??


She did it anyway.
marie writes: Monday, June, 18, 2007 8:03 AM

posts a definition that included rights already settled and existing. So what's the point? Are you in danger of losing your right to vote? Own property? Enter contract?

Oh, Marie!
marie writes: Sunday, June, 17, 2007 3:37 PM

"But WHY??!! the following:

""But there is another reason modern feminists reject a strong father today. It is rebellion against God - the ultimate father.""

I was taught many years ago that God had no gender.

McCullough is nuts
or
GAWD has told him that the only way to control those uppity women is threaten them with hell."

----------------------------

So, a political commentator can't venture the point that some of what passes for "feminist" thought comes from people who profess atheism? Read again the quotes above from Denis and tell me what religion the authors are.

I notice that AudiR10 is too tired to correct your misuse of the word "gender" for "sex" or else is still sleeping. In the absolute sense regarding God, you are correct, but in the relational and theological sense, you are going against the clear teachings of Jesus ("Abba", "Our Father in Heaven...") who put it in terms that humans can understand. Are you a Christian?

Marie continues: "I feel NO contempt for God - I do feel disgusted by what is depicted in the Old Testament. I do NOT think of God as the vicious petty tyrant of Abraham.
This book has been translated, retranslated, edited, and interpreted by men."

Marie: "NO, I have NO respect for anyone or any religion that screeches and threatens me with HELL if I reject their version of my role in life."


Funny, I didn't see anyone threaten you. What exactly do you feel threatned about? Maybe we can help.

I tell you what you can do: Spend 15 years studying Koine with the finest female seminary professors (they exist). For the next 25 years take all of the 5000+ NT manuscripts plus the 10,000+ early quotes, commentaries, and translations in other languages (Syriac, Coptic, and Latin, to name a few), compare the lot and produce your own Koine text. Compare that with the textus receptus and the Nestle-Aland. When you think that you have the best that you can do, spend another 10 years translating that into English. I don't know how old you are, but you might want to get started soon.

Note that I have left out the OT. Find another woman you can trust (your daughter, perhaps?) and have her start with the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Latin languages and the Masoretic and Septuagint texts and do the same.

Oh, you also seem to have a problem with editing, so don't bother with that. Make sure that your printing firm is all-woman. Distribute your "bible" to those whom you choose and let them build up a source of commentaries and criticisms from their exegesis.

Please hurry - I can foresee a lot of our grandsons being hungry for the truth. And don't worry about the granddaughters - they will instinctively know the truth through feminist intuition.

Rich D.
To imply any other definition seems to be an attempt to discredit.


From Dictionary.com:

Feminist:
n. A person whose beliefs and behavior are based on feminism.

Feminism:
–noun
1. the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) an organized movement for the attainment of such rights for women.
3. feminine character.

Allen/McCullough - a little man?
Standing at over 6'2''?

What is a "feminist"?
"marie writes: Sunday, June, 17, 2007 3:37 PM

"I don't get it....
I'm a feminist.
Like men, well most men.
Love my dad."

What is a "feminist"? Are we talking past each other? Seems to me that a word that can be applied to S. Truth and also Friedan, Steinem & Co. (to say nothing about those indescribables quoted by Denis above) has lost a little in translation.

I know women who are feminine and not feminists and feminists who are not feminine. Perhaps someone could straighten us out without refighting old and settled "rights" battles.

Mrs V.
I had thought, prior to your 10:15 post to me, that you seemed a gentle kind Christian. Okay, MY 'inference' of what Christ taught. Thank you for your follow-up post - it certainly wasn't necessary.

"I suppose I am just a bit tired of seeing the callous and cavalier comments that are thrown around here by folks wishing to express contempt at God, or those who believe in His Word-with what seems little thought to how genuinely offensive those words may seem or feel..for the reader.."

I feel NO contempt for God - I do feel disgusted by what is depicted in the Old Testament. I do NOT think of God as the vicious petty tyrant of Abraham.
This book has been translated, retranslated, edited, and interpreted by men.
I find it extraordinary that anyone expects (even demands) that everyone else must follow, honor, and respect their version of what the Bible says.

I, in no way, expect or hope that you agree with me. But, I fail to understand how you can expect me to be impressed? or acknowledge your version of my 'proper' place in the world - based on a BOOK!

NO, I have NO respect for anyone or any religion that screeches and threatens me with HELL if I reject their version of my role in life.

When one of those red-faced babies
whines in pounding on his highchair tray and spitting half-chewed Cheerios all over the floor, it's best to let him sit in his dirty diaper for a while. Don't even refill his sippy-cup. Consider it self-inflicted punishment.

Soi-disant
"gays" are the ultimate irony. Ever find one that was?

My Father
When I was: Four years old: My daddy can do anything.

When I was: Five years old: My daddy knows a whole lot.

When I was: Six years old: My dad is smarter than your dad.

When I was: Eight years old: My dad doesn't know exactly everything.

When I was: 10 years old: In the olden days, when my dad grew up, things were sure
different.

When I was: 12 years old: Oh, well, naturally, Dad doesn't know anything about that. He
is too old to remember his childhood.

When I was: 14 years old: Don't pay any attention to my dad. He is so old-fashioned.

When I was: 21 years old: Him? My Lord, he's hopelessly out of date.

When I was: 25 years old: Dad knows about it, but then he should, because he has been
around so long.

When I was: 30 years old: Maybe we should ask Dad what he thinks. After all, he's had a
lot of experience.

When I was: 35 years old: I'm not doing a single thing until I talk to Dad.

When I was: 40 years old: I wonder how Dad would have handled it. He was so wise.

When I was: 50 years old: I'd give anything if Dad were here now so I could talk this
over with him.

Too bad I didn't appreciate how smart he was.

I could have
learned a lot from him.





Ann Landers


just these..
WHEN GOD CREATED FATHERS


When the good Lord was creating Fathers he started with a tall frame. And a female angel nearby said, "What kind of Father is that? If you're going to make children so close to the ground, why have you put fathers up so high? He won't be able to shoot marbles without kneeling, tuck a child in bed without bending, or even kiss a child without a lot of stooping."

And God smiled and said, "Yes, but if I make him child size, who would children have to look up to?"

And when God made a Father's hands, they were large and sinewy. And the angel shook her head sadly and said, "Do you know what you're doing? Large hands are clumsy. They can't manage diaper pins, small buttons, rubber bands on pony tails or even remove splinters caused by baseball bats."

And God smiled and said, "I know, but they're large enough to hold everything a small boy empties from his pockets at the end of a day...yet small enough to cup a child's face in his hands."

And then God moulded long, slim legs and broad shoulders. And the angel nearly had a heart attack. "Boy, this is the end of the week, all right," she clucked. "Do you realize you just made a Father without a lap? How is he going to pull a child close to him without the kid falling between his legs?"

And God smiled and said, "A mother needs a lap. A father needs strong shoulders to pull a sled, balance a boy on a bicycle, and hold a sleepy head on the way home from the circus."

God was in the middle of creating two of the largest feet anyone had every seen when the angel could contain herself no longer.

"That's not fair. Do you honestly think those large boats are going to dig out of bed early in the morning when the baby cries? Or walk through a small birthday party without crushing at least three of the guests?"

And God smiled and said, "They'll work. You'll see. They'll support a small child who wants to ride a horse to Banbury Cross, or scare off mice at the summer cabin, or display shoes that will be a challenge to fill."

God worked throughout the night, giving the Father few words, but a firm authoritative voice; eyes that saw everything, but remained calm and tolerant.

Finally, almost as an afterthought, he added tears. Then he turned to the angel and said, "Now, are you satisfied that he can love as much as a Mother?"

The angel shutteth up.

Erma Bombeck


"Children's children are the crown of old men, and the glory of children is their father." (Proverbs 17:7).


Hammer/Hawkeye, it's true..
Hammer, it's true re. ending up raising gay kids..

We have lived to see in two families we know..in a few generations..Two men with ..Mothers who didn't love their Husbands..were adulterous or abandoned the Husbands (I am *not* saying this is the case for every "gay" kid..)

And/OR Dads who were either abandoning and adulterous, weak, gone, or, just not respected by the Wives themselves..and the boy, for example glued to the Mother..No men around..This is practically a textbook recipe..Tragically..


Oh I *do* concur Hawkeye..

Which is why I am almost never here anymore..Except this week..

Townhall..as useful and good as it *is*
can really suck the time out of nights and days..

Just look at me with all this posting here..

*rolls eyes*


Ok, I'll stop now..lol..

Hammer, it's true..
Hammer, it's true re. ending up raising gay kids..

We have lived to see in two families we know..in a few generations..Two men with ..Mothers who didn't love their Husbands..were adulterous or abandoned the Husbands (I am *not* saying this is the case for every "gay" kid..)

And/OR Dads who were either abandoning and adulterous, weak, gone, or, just not respected by the Wives themselves..and the boy, for example glued to the Mother..No men around..This is practically a textbook recipe..Tragically..

Ok, I'll stop now..lol..

and marie..
And marie, my apologies to you if my last post came off a bit rude, or harsh in its expression.
I hope you'll all indulge me here for a second..

I am sure you were not intentionally intending to come off as proud, or disrespectful about these things..I would think it's a safe bet-though I am not a betting person-that most who speak as you do really are not giving so much thought into what they are actually saying when they mock God's Word, it's just a spontaneous comment..

And at the time they may truly feel they think it through..I am not suggesting you put no forethought or care into your comments..I am just saying that it is more or less an off the cuff remark..and for others..you may not be aware of how they ear it..

I suppose I am just a bit tired of seeing the callous and cavalier comments that are thrown around here by folks wishing to express contempt at God, or those who believe in His Word-with what seems little thought to how genuinely offensive those words may seem or feel..for the reader..

I really didn't mean to make it personal..
In the sense of putting the spotlight on *you*..
I don't like to do that to people..But one does put themselves out there..when they make comments as you have, in what seem to be a bold or uncaring way..

You can thank God and His Word for me coming back to say this..His Word says, amongst other guidelines for living:

"As much as is in our power, be at peace with all men"

Of course, we know that we will have enemies, and we are not to ever compromise Truth, or walking in God's will and holiness, to appease any one..So we maintain peace, but not that compromise for it..

The other word God gave me was:

"Let your gentleness be evident to all"..

I can be annoyed at what may offend me in my faith..In places like this, that probably happens regularly..I make an error if I hurt another though..in making these points..I didn't need to to make that clear..

Otherwise, you may think it's a lie that real Christians *do* care..I am not better than you marie..Whoever you are :^) It is all by God's grace I can even talk to you here..

I am sure, if things were different..or if this were some years ago..I might be saying the self same things as you..that you have said to me..and all the Christians here..

It would have been important to me to have ..despite some frustration they may have felt with me..Christians speaking the Truth in love..

Though I still stand by the truth behind the points I made..I apologize if I was less than that way to you.

Fatherhood
We all have the ability to choose our own destiny, up to a point. The part that everyone, including myself, often overlooks is that different choices have different consequences. One result of a fatherless society is kids growing up with confusion about what their role and purpose in life is.

Merely having the freedom to choose our own destiny does not mean that we will have good results from our choice, whatever that choice is. I believe that only choices that fit in line with God's design for us as people will bring us the meaning that we desire from life.

This means doing hard things. For instance, as a man, I have to learn to put my selfish desires away (like my desire to waste my life on townhall.com and video games) and instead do what is best for my wife, taking care of her the best way that I can. Women have to make similar choices too, if they want to fulfill God's plan. It's not meant to be easy, but it is meant to be fulfilling and meaningful.

FreeOpter
You pose the question:
"For those feminists who don't believe a father is necessary to raise a child and especially those female narcissists who think you must experience motherhood to be fulfilled and deliberately design their "family" without one... Tell me, please, what do you tell your sons?"

There is nothing they can tell them. They just raise another gay. Or at the best a spineless wimp.



God's Word is not 'by man'..Mere men..
marie said:

"The part that is atrocious is the Bible waving. Am I supposed to be impressed? cowed? suddenly see God in a book written by men for men?"

I am sure if you are looking at every other book- except- the Bible- at Barnes and Noble, marie..

Then I could see your making silly comments about the author. Joking about some punchline, aside, or details..But for most of the world, and particularly the Christians of this world, marie, this "book" you talk about is indeed inspired.

It is the Holy Bible, the very Word of God. Some describe that as the Old Testament being the New one concealed, while the New Testament is the Old one, revealed.

However one describes that, it is ANY-thing but some joke of a text which is up and down in the New Yorks Times listings, or in and out of movie houses every other week..Or some other mishmash of some mere mortal groaning on about God..blended in with the New Age, salt and pepper..

I don't think the people here who *do* have faith in God and follow His Word, via the Bible, and take it seriously, are very impressed by a mere human either..Who clucks and laughs and mocks, and displays disdain for God and His Word,
amongst a bunch of anonymous women and men..

It is your perfect right to carry on in such a prideful way, perhaps, ignorant of who you mock and what you joke of..Until, "Piff", one day your lights go out..

(Not the ones in your home, the ones that guide your mortal functions..)

And you are out of here, my friend..

And all the tall talk..and preening and self congratulation won't mean a hill of beans, when you are face to face with the Living God..




lokie
You clearly miss the point. Nowhere do Gestell or Marie put down women who choose to be stay-at-home mothers; they just want women to have the freedom to choose their destiny, which is something you clearly would deprive them of. And yes, you do this by waving them Bible and screaming at them to obey; you are forced to hide behind the book because your ideas have no truth and no power.

Gestell and Marie...
You both are very judgmental. If a wife chooses to become full-time mother is she worth less than a woman who devoted her life to a career? Independent woman can still love her husband and let him play the role that God-the FATHER, intended for him. Bible is full of independent, strong women who allowed God to use them for His glory. Vanity is the worst sin of all.
Marie, I don't know what god you are talking about. My God is my Father. I know it because, like you said, He told all of us so in the Bible.

Gestell
Happy Fathers' Day!

We desperately need MORE like you!
amen - LOL

The part that is atrocious is the Bible waving. Am I supposed to be impressed? cowed? suddenly see God in a book written by men for men?

I have on occasion said 'stupid' things in reaction or in anger - I can only hope the occasional weird and/or vitriolic posts here are not 'true Christians'.

Truly enjoyed AND agreed with your post - Arby - just can't envision ANY way to enforce 'requirements' re. procreating!

Who could ask for less?
Who better to write an article about what strong, independent women think and feel and fear and want than a man? Boy, does that make sense.

Like Gestell's wife, I consider myself to be a feminist and have been for years. My father died last year, leaving me to be the last in our family, and I miss him terribly. It hasn't stopped for even one day and it probably won't for years. He was a wonderful, strong, RESPONSIBLE, caring and successful man, a major force in my life and a person who shaped it and who helped me to shape it and determine it. He was a great example of what a person should strive to be as a parent, and also what a person should strive to be as PERSON.

Like Marie, I like most men (ahtough I am not too fond of this author, whose vehemence is downright frightening.) While I like to think of myself as far more right than left, authors like McCullough really give me cause to pause and question that. Certainly the foot-stomping, fist-shaking, name-calling intolerance in the comment section that follows is equally appealing.

Given the outrageous divorce rate in our society, the frightening peer pressure among young people to experiment with sex, drugs and other dangerous behaviors, and the relentless tendency of the government to try to remove all personal responsibility from individuals, so that no one is responsible for anything -- given all that, there is almost nothing more beautiful and helpful to young people than TWO strong and independent and caring and guiding parents, a mother and a father. For those unfortunate children who can't have both, one strong and caring PARENT is better than none or a bad one. Beyond that, it's not a gender issue. It's an issue of people doing the best they can do for their child's development, whether there are two of them or just one. The point remains that everyone who has a child -- man or woman -- has an enormous responsibility to be courageous, responsible, sensitive, nurturing, caring, law-abiding and to set an example every day, every hour, with appropriate behavior that they would want the child to model.

It has always astonished me that you need a formal license to drive, to work some jobs, to get married, to hunt and fish -- but you don't need ANY QUALIFICATIONS at all to procreate and bring children into a world that is challenging at best. You don't need to be married. You don't need to have a job. You don't need to validate an income level. You don't need to be a citizen. You don't need to prove or demonstrate a track record with the slightest level of personal accountability or responsibility. You don't need to practice a religion. The universal presumption that because you are a member of the human race and because you want to, you are QUALIFIED to bring children into the world, has always astonished me. Perhaps if there WERE requirements, we would have a lot fewer troubled kids and a lot fewer abused ones.

McCullough states: Feminists wish to subvert God's plan, order, and instruction in order to create a world that they see as the ultimate reality. A reality that is made in their own image. Scripture refers to that as idolatry.


I'm a feminist and I don't feel that way at all. There is a lot of unfounded stuff out there -- and a lot of here too -- but that paragraph probably takes the cake.

reply to KsReaganite
Didn't claim I was, either. I can be original, but I didn't need to be to make my point. You know as well as I do that true conservatives have to be opposed to feminism in any and all forms. Go back and read McCullough's column again if you doubt this--along with a lot of the posts here.

That's why I say to women who may be tempted to think of themselves as conservatives, look at your ideological home carefully. You'll find that the house rules are not good for you.

Gestell
isn't even original in his rhetoric. Pity.

reply to marie
Marie, you sound like my wife, who considers herself a hardcore feminist. Raised by a loving father, who was a huge and positive force in her life, she believed her father when he told her about what she could accomplish in life. She remembers fondly that when she was about 6 or so, she asked if she could be both a heart and a brain surgeon, and he said "yes," telling her that she could go to the best medical school in the state. She didn't become that surgeon, but she has had a productive and successful career, and is the mother of our two wonderful daughters, both of whom feel that they have rights and opportunities to choose their futures.


I know that real conservatives loathe all this. A conservative like McCullough has no use for those uppity women. If he and his ilk prevail, my daughters will have to settle for being barefoot and pregnant, which is, I guess, what God decrees for women, if I read my Christian conservatives correctly.

As for God's gender, check those Christian conservatives I just mentioned--they know God is a guy. He told them so Himself.

I don't get it....
I'm a feminist.
Like men, well most men.
Love my dad.

And I think kids are much better off with 2 loving parents.

But WHY??!! the following:
""But there is another reason modern feminists reject a strong father today. It is rebellion against God - the ultimate father.""

I was taught many years ago that God had no gender.

McCullough is nuts
or
GAWD has told him that the only way to control those uppity women is threaten them with hell.

And who can be more qualified...
...than Evan Sayet on this subject, having seen the Hollywood thinking, perversion, putrefaction from the inside?

Here's something slightly off the subject, but very worthwhile, Fr Jonathan's Open Letter to Hollywood. You will not be sorry you invested the time to look for it.

Lemonade, you are not a lib or feminist
You may think you are, you may think that you want to be or should be a lib or a feminist, but with those sentiments you expressed, you are not. What are you? Why, a reasonable "moderate." And what is a moderate? Someone who can't make up his mind and thinks that it is being generous, progressive, modern, whatever, to always be hedging. Lemonade, take a look at this video and tell me if Evan Sayet, a product of Hollywood, isn't a brave, great man in speaking clearly about what the libs/leftists want and do, and how they do it?

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Events/ev030507a.cfm

Here's the synopsis:

Regurgitating the Apple.

Hollywood writer/produce Evan Sayet explains why modern Liberalism inevitably
sides with evil over good, destructiveness over constructiveness, wrong over
right. Based loosely on the ideas of Prof Allan Bloom's "The Closing of the
American Mind" and on his own observations, Sayet explains that Liberals are
neither evil nor stupid, but rather are committed to a utopian vision in which
there is no war, poverty, racism or hatred because there is nothing worth
fighting over: "Imagine there are no countries, no God, no religion, no
ideology, no progress." In order to achieve this, they are committed to
demonstrating that nothing is right, that no position is better than any other
-- and because those who have not bought their vision are actively attempting to
be good, virtuous, correct, thorough, robust, rigorous, and accurate, they have
to defend evil, vice, error, slovenliness, and inaccuracy.

Allen/Frey/leftist attitude
What McCullough wrote in this column, EVERYONE knows, everyone! There is simply no question what the feminist purpose is, none. They are vicious, power mad, unscrupulous, EVERYONE knows that. So McCullough is really writing for the people who are just now waking up to the leftist/feminist/secularist/humanist/Marxist/naturalist/etc nonsense program. It's a dirty job but someone has to do it. Thank you, McCullough.

As to the Allens, the Freys, the ones who can't stand McCullough but don't read him, EVERYONE knows that they do read him, and they do read the other great columnists on Town Hall. The truth that is in these columns scares them, confuses them, so their response is to flail like a punch drunk boxer, so the references to his appearance. We would do best to ignore them.

McCullough, my homeschooled/activist/conservative/Christian kids and I, and other clear thinking people are going to win this war waged by the leftists, absolutely. We have Resources they can't even imagine.

To N/A..others..
N/A, I am so sorry for the unfortunate turn of events in the lives of you and your family. But something you said concerned me. In detailing the courage your Mom had displayed you said this:

" thank god my mother had the ability to be strong enough to be a mother and still have the strength to be a father."

By like token, my abandoned Grandmother was in a similar, and unenviable, position, after my Grandfather abandoned her, and my Mom and her sibs, many years ago.

I can't began to detail, without getting quite personal, what hurt my Granddad's departure did to my Mom and family, to this day.

Suffice to say, while my Mom and her siblings all grew up to be decent people, there was significant hurt that occurred as a result of their having an abandoned Mom.

I think that, in a way, for those women who are without fault in these cases, God looks at them charitably, and perhaps, not unlike your Mom, gives them that extra measure of strength, and help and grace.

I believe this is what you witnessed, and what you spoke of, when you described the things you came through.

I also know, that when these issues came up for my Mom in her youth, and on the cusp of her very young adult years, my Grandmother had to seek medical care because of how harmed my Mom was from seeing her Dad abandon them, and her folks marital dissolution.

I will never forget, while my young Mom was in the hospital there, the words the doctor gave to my dear Grandmother, and my Dad, then her fiance- but who was about to be my mom's Husband.

The doctor said, and I paraphrase:

"It is not always easy for a child to grow up with a parent who is being both Father and Mother".

Heavy words..

But the fruit of such a dilemma is everywhere one turns, today..

Still, many good and decent souls have come out of situations like yours, my Mom, Aunt and Uncle included.

I share this personal example as a word to the wise..

Just because God gives us the grace to successfully work through hard times does by no means make that situation the ideal, or God's best..

Sometimes, we just have to do our best with what we are left with..and make that the best we can..

So, in a sense, this makes it "the best"..

But I think we are speaking of the highest good here in this article, and an achievable ideal.

And it is God's goal for us, if you will..

Despite varying fortunes and chance..

Sometimes we need to understand God's will and hope for us, if we are to understand it..

Sustain it..



Yeah, Yeah!
Before you self appointed spelling and grammar correctors pounce, I see my mistake. (Normally I don't make MISTEAKS)!

It's about power
First, let me begin by saying that the following comments are intended only for the radical feminist element such as those quoted by Denis. They represent only a fraction of feminists, who in turn are only a fraction of women as a whole. Those who want to eliminate males functionally suffer from a common liberal view of power as a zero sum game in which they can only increase their own by taking it from someone else. Their goal is to gain the power to engage in their own selfish, narcissistic pleasure without recrimination or other negative consequence.

For those feminists
who don't believe a father is necessary to raise a child and especially those female narcissists who think you must experience motherhood to be fulfilled and deliberately design their "family" without one... Tell me, please, what do you tell your sons?

Sorry for the spam, but it's interesting
Tupac, "Papa's Song"

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"Had to play catch by myself, what a sorry sight. A pitiful plight, so I pray for a starry night:

Please send me a Pops before puberty. The things I wouldn't do to see a piece of family unity. Moms always work, I barely see her. I'm startin' to get worried without a Pops I'll grow to be her.

It's a wonder they don't understand kids today.
So when I pray, I pray I'll never grow to be that way. And I hope that He answers me.

I heard God don't like ugly. Well, take a look at my family. A different father every weekend; before we get to meet him they break up before the week ends.

I'm gettin' sick of all the friendships. As soon as we kick it he done split and the whole *cuss* ends quick. How can I be a man if there's no role model?

Strivin' to save my soul I stay cold drinkin' a forty bottle.

Moms had to entertain many men. Didn't wanna do it but it's time to pay the rent again.

I'm gettin' a bit older and I'm startin' to be a bother. Moms can't stand me cause I'm lookin' like my father. Should I stay or run away, tell me the answer. Moms ignores me and avoids me like cancer.

Grow up rough and it's hard to understand stuff.
Moms was tough cause his Poppa wasn't man enough.
Couldn't stand up to his own responsibilities.
Instead of takin' care of me, he'd rather live lavishly.

That's why I'll never be a father; unless you got the time it's a crime - don't even bother."
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Feminists Hate
Kevin-

I must commend you on another fine column. You are spot on. Never mind the empty and mindless rantings of the feminists, lesbians, and metrosexual men here. Their personal attacks and lack of reasoning defines them and many people see this. You are connecting with viewers and these others make for some good entertainment too. It's a lot of fun seeing them riled.

Feminists hate men and they want to detroy heterosexual marriage. And the best way to do that is to attack fathers and fatherhood and to legislate fathers out of the family in a similar way that feminists want to legislate men out of the wider culture. This is done by legislating all the rights to mothers in marriage (men have NO rights in Family Court today) and to women in the wider culture (e.g., affirmative action, VAWA,...and look at how the culture viewed the accused Duke Three Rape Case-it was an electronic lynching,on and on). Men and fathers have seen a steady elimination of rights and now possess only responsibilities without concurrent rights.

Like many of the posts here the REAL hatred is from feminists, lesbians, and metrosexual men and not from you. It is an old ploy they have used for decades to try and silence good men.


Below are some actual quotes showing feminist hatred of men and heterosexual marriage.


“I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.”

Ice And Fire - Andrea Dworkin”

Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.”

Vassar College. Assistant Dean of Students - Catherine Comin

“All men are rapists and that’s all they are.”

Author; (later, advisor to Al Gore’s Presidential Campaign.) - Marilyn French

“I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.”

Ms. Magazine Editor. - Robin Morgan

“I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire.”

Ms. Magazine Editor. - Robin Morgan

“‘To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking d*ldo.”

Scum Manifesto - Valerie Solanas

“(Rape) is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear”

Against Our Will p.6. - Susan Brownmiller

“We are taught, encouraged, moulded by and lulled into accepting a range of false notions about the family. As a source of some of our most profound experiences, it continues to be such an integral part of our emotional lives that it appears beyond criticism. Yet hiding from the truth of family life leaves women and children vulnerable.”

- Canadian Panel on Violence Against Women

” How will the family unit be destroyed? …[T]he demand alone will throw the whole ideology of the family into question, so that women can begin establishing a community of work with each other and we can fight collectively. Women will feel freer to leave their husbands and become economically independent, either through a job or welfare.”

In “Female Liberation” - Roxanne Dunbarr

“Men are rapists, batterers, plunderers, killers; these same men are religious prophets, poets, heroes, figures of romance, adventure, accomplishment, figures ennobled by tragedy and defeat. Men have claimed the earth, called it “Her”. Men ruin Her. Men have airplanes, guns, bombs, poisonous gases, weapons so perverse and deadly that they defy any authentically human imagination.”

Pornography: Men Possessing Women - Andrea Dworkin

“The traditional flowers of courtship are the traditional flowers of the grave, delivered to the victim before the kill. The cadaver is dressed up and made up and laid down and ritually violated and consecrated to an eternity of being used.”

- Andrea Dworkin

“Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women’s bodies.”

- Andrea Dworkin

“The cultural institutions which embody and enforce those interlocked aberrations - for instance, law, art, religion, nation-states, the family, tribe, or commune based on father-right - these institutions are real and they must be destroyed.”

- Andrea Dworkin

“My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don’t even need to shrug. I simply don’t care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don’t matter.”

The Woman’s Room - Marilyn French

“The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together…. Whatever its ultimate meaning, the breakup of families now is an objectively revolutionary process…. No woman should have to deny herself any opportunities because of her special responsibilities to her children….”

“Functions of the Family,”
WOMEN: A Journal of Liberation, Fall, 1969 - Linda Gordon

“When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression…”

- Sheila Jeffrys

“I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it.”

Former Congresswoman - Barbara Jordan

“You grow up with your father holding you down and covering your mouth so another man can make a horrible searing pain between your legs.”

(Prominent legal feminist scholar; University of Michigan, & Yale.) - Catherine MacKinnon

“All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman.”

- Catherine MacKinnon

“We can’t destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage.”

From Sisterhood Is Powerful, (ed), 1970, p. 537 - Robin Morgan

“All men are good for is fu*king, and running over with a truck”

Statement made by A University of Maine Feminist Administrator, quoted by Richard Dinsmore, who brought a successful civil suit against the University in the amount of $600,000.

Re: Hound Dog, Rap
Tupac Shakur, on his raising:

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"My mother is totally brilliant, totally understanding and caring. And she's human. I mean, she'll be wrong a lot, but we can talk about it. She taught me how to be community-oriented, and to analyze society.

Me and my sister grew up good, and we have good minds and everything. But we just didn't have money.

Poverty is...It's no joke. If there was no money and everything depended on your moral standards and the way you treated people, we'd be millionaires. We'd be rich. But, since it's not like that, then we're stone-broke.

I can't always have what I want or things that I think I need. Poverty, if I hated anything, it would be that.

You and me were born and raised in Harlem. And every time you put it down, you're not only putting us down, but Mama and Papa.

My real father was a Black Panther, but when I was growing up, I never knew who my father was for sure. My stepfather was a gangster, a straight-up street hustler. My mom had a kid, he didn't even care. He's like, "That's my son," took care of me, gave me money. He was a criminal too, out doing his thing. So he only came, brought me money and then left.

I hate saying this because whites love hearing blacks talk about this: I know for a fact that, had I had a father, I'd have had some discipline, I'd have had more confidence. Your mother cannot calm you down the way a man can. Your mother can't reassure you the way a man can. My mother couldn't show me where my manhood was.

You need a man to teach you how to be a man."
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For the people who don't know, Tupac is the highest-selling rapper of all-time who died at age 25, murdered.

Allen and Frey
"rediculous"!

On Mr. McCullough/Art and the artist..
Lemonade, and DeskJockey,
thank you for your kind words, I appreciate them.

And Lemonade, I would love an opportunity as a columnist, but I am not sure how one would go about that, outside of some unpaid positions as bloggers-here-for example.

If you know anyone who is looking for a columnist, and me specifically for that role, please kindly send them my way :^)

As for your comments to me, ironically, I am actually probably about as right of a conservative stance as Mr. McCullough posts here on every page. Granted, he and I have a different way of going about it-this is certain. But, believe it or not, his words are reflecting what I feel, although, yes, without some of the invective, almost every time.

I thank Post^it for the insightful comments as well. These were also important points to ponder.

As for Mr. McCullough, all I can say is try to separate the art from the artist, if you will. Although *I* think his writing, and the points he make should be a happy thing to associate with any artist, or writer..in all honesty..

Some of you may have experienced this challenge communicating with him, I know it was this way for me.
I wrote Mr. McCullough on a number of occasions about topics of the day. His reply to me was occasionally rude, and sort of unkind. Not always, but occasionally..This went on and off for a period, where almost every email I wrote resulted in my being slighted or misunderstood. One time I even cried..

Eventually, this columnist and I made a sort of peace, with apologies, even though my Husband and I aren't personal friends of his (we met him once ) it's not like we really know him. Still cordial efforts were made.

I can only attribute his wanting to make peace as a result of his being a Christian, and wanting to salvage some fan base.

In any case, this week saw me in yet another misunderstanding with him, where I, once again-and I say this because it must be almost 1/2 dozen times for me now, Mr. McCullough misjudged me by my email, and what I was saying.

Being misjudged can be an awful thing. It can be even worse when the person doing the judging is an opinion, or party, that you respect.

With this said. I urge all of you to look at the words that this columnist writes, and don't ignore them because of what may put you off about him personally. Once more, please try to separate the art from the artist..I don't know the artist so well..But the art is good! His points are from e Biblical perspective and could save your life!

As a Christian, I am required to forgive these offenses towards me. But it does not mean I was not quite hurt-once more-or disappointed. I shared this aside not so much just for myself, but because we must recall we all are imperfect. And we lose something truly valuable if we toss out this author's message because we got sniped at my him on his-perhaps-bad days..

As for Mr. McCullough's "head" and his physical appearance. I noted above that my Husband and I met him, in passing, a few years ago-but somewhat recently. I can attest that he looked perfectly normal to us. And there was nothing unusual or negative at all that stood out about him or his appearance.

I know that he does not "fear" women, because I have heard his radio show often. He talks to men and women everyday. And he surely does not seem scared to me..

I would think by now if he were so afraid of girls..he would have quit snapping *my* head off in emails..But I digress..

It is highly likely this author has no such fear, or he would not have married the Bride that he speaks so fondly, and often, of.

Hope that creates some clarity.

Thanks all


Take care







Just a report from the front lines
Just this morning, the celebrant at Mass in my parish, whom I shall call Father Smith, refused to read a Father's Day blessing composed by the parish pastor, because "it makes too many references to obedience." He didn't want to "provoke an uprising" among the women in the congregation, you see.

I can't imagine how the routine denigration of men could have become so widespread without the collaboration, tacit at least, of our mainstream churches. Anyone looking for a place to set to work on the anti-masculinist blight should consider starting there.

Never mind
I've just been up for 24 hours watching the 24 Hours of Le Mans and I'm too tired to argue.

But could you please learn the difference between "all together" and "altogether"? If you mean to write for a living, you should ground yourself well in grammar first.

Thank you.

Negative criticism of this author....
seems to be that he is ugly and that he is a Christian. How politically incorrect of him! To actually be a Christian and tell people about it.

It is apparent that there are a few that have no argument so they go after him for being a Christian. These individuals are exercising their right to free speech however they are also implying what the author should and should not be writing.

Until all the hate speech laws kick in the left will have to tolerate the presence of Christians.

"Truly, you have a dizzying intellect"
That quote from the Princess Bride is in honor of Allen, as I just don't know how anyone will be able to respond to such piercing logic and reasoned arguments as Allen presented at the top of this thread, and at 1:17 a.m. no less.

Now back to more substantive matters.

As a woman, I find it incredibly annoying and sexist for some so-called feminists, and too often the popular culture as well, to be putting down men in general all the time.

I know too many decent, honorable and wonderful men, and have too many friends with sons who have to grow up amid this garbage, to be much amused at what would otherwise be laugh-inducing ridiculousness.

Although...

I have a friend who's raising five boys. She and her husband, who both have terrific senses of humor, taught the kids to watch TV, movies, read magazines, etc, with critical thinking skills and taught them how to intelligently mock such bigoted portrayals of men.

So the boys grew up well protected against the culture's "Girls Rule, Boys Drool" messages, and they also treat girls and women better than most boys their age too. They can laugh at the messages now, and they're secure enough in their "boyness" that I too can laugh at the mocking they do of TV shows, etc. instead of just getting annoyed on their behalf.


Are fathers necessary?
One doesn’t have to look very hard to see the devastating effects of a fatherless society. Just listen to the lyrics of rap music. Women are called every derogatory name imaginable and violence against women is often condoned. These lyrics don’t just come out of the blue. Music in any era reflects the prevailing views of the time. Rap originated in the black community where there are 80% out-of-wedlock births. Many thanks can be given to another failed liberal social experiment called the Great Society which gave us the current welfare system. The children are raised by the mother alone, with Uncle Sam as the surrogate father. The biological father is often shut out the child’s life by the mother. Energy which is normally spent to perform the male duties of provider and protector must find some other outlet. Rap music is that outlet through which the male frustration and anger are expressed. History has shown that music lyrics have a way of becoming reality. Anger and violence toward women in rap are playing itself out in the streets of America and will only get worse.

Rough words.
But oh, so true. Thank you for bringing up the point of rebellion toward God. It is something we do not hear very often, but it is at the root of this man-hating attitude that we see so often.

Thank you
Thank You MrsV and Post^it so much for your thoughts today.


Father God
An interesting aspect of faith is that you automatically forgive, love, and respect your earthly father when you love your Heavenly Father.

My father wasn't a perfect man. He had a hard hand sometimes, and was a career bankrobber who spent too much of my childhood locked behind bars. Still, I remember the moment that I decided to turn my back on my father - the day, the scene, the images were imprinted on my mind for my entire life.

At first, I didn't know why the moment would be so memorable - most of the images are just from me shooting hoops at a neighborhood park. Later, it turned out that every dysfunction and personal failing that I had to go through in my life stemmed from that day. Later in life, when I went back to that day and forgave him, I was healed.

I see that turning your back on your father is the same as turning your back on God. The same man I had such good reason to hate, who I was so ashamed of - he's now my hero.

Yes, he robbed banks. Morally bad, but bold with a certain kind of courage, and he certainly didn't have the weakness of weakness. He was a heck of a sire; a smart, 6' tall, college-level athlete with an Adonis body. He was the best fighter in a tough town, and we had no doubt he'd wrestle a lion to protect us - one time, he attacked and pushed back about three dozen drunk college kids who were trampling me on a train. It was like if Moses decided to kick the Red Sea's rear end instead of parting it. He didn't use drugs, he was disciplined, he didn't beat or cheat my mother - he cared, he taught, and he tried.

More importantly, he was my image of God in this world, appointed to Holy Office of "Father".

Yes, fathers are failing at ridiculous rates, but a lot of us are failing our fathers too.


Feminism and Fatherhood
I see feminism as a tool to chip away at traditions that make our society strong. Fatherhood is vital part of the family. Family is the foundation of civilization. The left has worked overtime to destroy the family and has succeded in certain sectors of society. Prior to the Sixties the percentage of black women that were married was higher than that of white women. The government stepped in to "help" the blacks and did damage the KKK could only dream about.

The black family was just the warm up. Look at out of wedlock birth rates for the Latino segment of the country. White rates are headed the same way. If you are a Feminist or a Leftist and see what is happening as a good thing it has to be because you hate what America is and want it destroyed.

That is treason.

Mrs V
What a wonderful post. Why don't you become a
columnist. I am sure that you are writing from
a conservative bent, but it is a moderate one.
You don't rage, you don't use invective, you don't make false and stupid accusations.

I visit this site, generally on weekends, so that
I can defend liberalism and feminism from some of
its most outrageous critics. McCullough is a prime example. Always making a point of his Christianity, he then goes on the pick the worst of the worst examples of anything and attribute it to the whole without so much as a blush.

This is one of the reasons, I truly believe, that
Christianity has a bad rap today. It certainly
isn't McCullough alone, it is a huge group of
people who apparently see people through the
eyes of a vengeful God rather than a loving one.

When Falwell died, people were saying horrible
things about him. I am sure that he was not as
bad as all that. On the other hand, he was always condemning people, so what would one
expect the response to him be.

I am a liberal and a feminist. I love the Lord
and I loved my dear sweet (and not very strong)
father. I am married, I have children and grandchildren that I love with all my heart.

But I am very fearful of our society today.
I don't know if blogging and posting has made
people worse, because they can say what they want in complete anonymity, or if these people are
really like that in person. Maybe that is why
they post so much. They have no friends in real
life.

There are two things that scare me right now
concerning our nation - and neither are terrorists from the outside. I think that our
society is dying because of all the meaness in the message and from the proliferation of news agencies that have a blatant political bias.
And I mean that from both sides of the aisle in
both instances.

Again, please keep on writing. We need you.

"Father" knows best!
Those of us who believe The Bible can truly be thankful that God, the Father, set the world up the way he did with a mother AND a father to bring children into the world and as Kevin so eloquently stated: To provide for and protect the family.

Yes, it is discouraging that so many people disparage the role of a father, disregard the role a father plays in the life of a family, or choose to abandon that role in favor of pursuits of the flesh. Nevertheless, God's laws are unalterable. Let no man divide asunder that which God has not only ordained as right and proper-"I will make him an help meet for him", but has also commanded:
"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave (cling tightly) unto his wife. . . and none else." (And all of God's commandments are genderless-what applies to men also applies to women.)

As a 20 year veteran of secondary school classrooms, in almost every case (and that is a fairly high percent) the students who created the most problems for me, administrators, and other students at school were those who did not have fathers at home to help provide direction, guidance, and some good old-fashioned discipline.

Dr. James Dobson has said, "The greatest thing a husband can do for his children is to love his wife." What better reason do we have than that to work harder at putting fathers back at the head of the home?

Allen and Frey
Regardless of your view, you should read the column before stinking your fingers in your ears and yelling, "Na Na, I can't hear you."

Commenting on specifics beats commenting on his hairline, or maybe you can't find a flaw in his message?

ALLEN AND VB
Should end their reconnoiter of townhall and head on back to WaPo land.

Wounded Women...(or who think they are)
Good column, Allen
Seems to me your critics "protest too much..."
Perhaps you've hit a little too close to the nerve?

For those who haven't encountered the Wounded Woman Syndrome (gone awry in 21st century America) refer to those sources that point to the deep and usually unresolved hurt that children experience from the lack of relationship from a parent.

Coming to a 12-Step Program near you...




allen
provide us with a description of your perfect
self.
or, are you an imperfect bluubber bottom.

Allen
Have you ever been in a place where someone does something or tells a joke that is so incredibly stupid or moronic or out of place that everyone nervously clears their throat and looks the other way, out of embarrassment for the one making a fool of himself?

That place is here, the time is now, and you are the one making a fool of yourself. Unfortunately everyone here but you can see that.

Perhaps someday soon you will grow up and gain a sense of perspective ... the ability to see the world as others see it. Perhaps then you will realize just what a fool you have presented as "you" with your personal attacks toward others.

Until that time, my advice is to just quit making yourself look worse. Really. Seriously. You are embarrassing yourself. If you had a Dad, he would likely be giving you some focused, specific advice about now, along these same lines.

p.s. I think..
I think some here ought to be less concerned with the physical status of other's hairlines, or appearance, and more concerned about the state of their hearts..

Mr. McCullough looks fine, and perfectly normal to me. And isn't this column about what he is saying? Not his hairstyle or necktie???

Mental note. The Golden Rule is golden for a reason..Don't tarnish this place with nasty negative personal attacks and bitterness..

People want real, kind and respectful, honest opinions from any side..Not nasty rhetoric and ad-hom attacks..

We are decent people and respectful ones here, no?:-) All of us? Yes? :-)







God's Intention
God has created the world in such a way as to reflect heavenly things. The family, that is to say a father, mother and children here on earth, reflect that special, close relationship that the Godhead enjoys within itself in heaven; for God is a family.

Physical fornication and spiritual fornication almost always go hand in hand. Witness Soloman.
A man is to be faithful to his wife and faithful to God for the purpose of raising up a Godly seed. Malachi 2:15

Gary Gordon

Good Column, & agreed. Well said, but..
This is a good column. All of the points are important too, and valuable. While many conservative people, and those of family-oriented faiths, might agree with what is said in this column, it is especially important to note that this is from a Christian perspective.

Of course, ideas and ways of living like those described here were the understood standard 40, or more, years ago. Those of us having lived with such a standard can feel very fortunate. And many families still abide by this standard today. I don't know about most...

I am not sure I would say so much that Feminists fear fathers, as much as there is some type of contempt or disdain. And I know the universities set out on a campaign back in the early 1960's to cut and harm the family, and keep women married to "the state".

This effort to control the populous, and thwart men, or good men, had its way by, for example, pipelining drugs and porn, etc. into the nation, and "schooling" 'programs" at universities, which were, essentially pro-Communist/Lesbian/gay, anti-family, and anti-faith in nature.

So, once more, Mr. McCullough is right, a lot of Socialist theology-via Feminism-or due to it, has been meant to control the populous and diminish good men-or any men. Dads, included...

This is because a strong Husband and Father help as the band around the family. And for all the reasons Mr. McCullough reasoned. This is actually what the German root of the word Husband means, a "band" around the house...

Just recently, I was changing a channel on our radio and hearing a NYC area FM music station with some men playing spoof voice over commercials for Father's Day. They had 3 or 4 of the same voice over-a mock voice making a joke of sweet things, like thinking fondly of one's Dad, and then the voice over proceeded to make sport of Dad.

"Oh my Dad was so friendly to everyone; he was close friends with the babysitter. Don't know why mom left him; he was such a nice guy". That sort of thing. Hard to describe it on here, but the point being that dads had simply failed their kids, and here were these grown men, (the dj's) getting a big belly laugh out of mocking Dads. Very sad..

I think that since the late 60's, mainly, but for some even before that, a deep disappointment with Dad has been kind of universal. Children were looking for steady people who would love them and their Moms, lovingly, faithfully and unconditionally, for life. People they could trust. What some of them got instead was: instability, abandonment, abuses, or worse, just never even having a dad at all.

I know for certain that Jane Fonda, for example, had a very tenuous relationship with her dad, Henry Fonda. Her Mom committed suicide. And, to my awareness, Mr. Fonda was a figure who stood quite a bit far away from his growing girl. I am not saying he had a perfect child. But who does? And that's not the point. Is it?

So, I think that it is not just Feminists who so much hate Fathers, as secular society, Liberals, and within those circles, Feminists as well, who are acting out a sadness that is deep and pervasive, as it goes to the soul level. I think this article is more on target than some may think.

And I think it is important to note that a harsh, weak, abusive, or abandoning Father, can make for a, sometimes, confused, scared, wondering, blighted child. And that can happen, yes, even 20, even 40 years later. The phenomena of being scarred this way-personal Salvation or not-is worldwide and real...

Even for Christians, that kind of pain can be so hard to put one's finger on. Because it can be hard to find an answer there. And people like answers, even if they aren't always right, or fair. We all want to understand our hardship. Even bad things don't seem quite as bad, if they make some kind of sense.

I heard someone say, I believe it was Dr. James Dobson, that one can no more be a perfect parent than to be a perfect person.

I truly believe so much of what we see in society today has to do with a gnawing, and existential ache, going back decades, that many grown adults feel because they did not have a loving, warm, close or safe relationship with their Fathers.

For many of them, that can make even the very idea of God as a loving Dad seem very, very far away.

And so much of their lives are lived out with that feeling of pain...

Those unanswered questions...

For some, having children may change and heal much of that. But not always...

And that is for the fortunate few that actually see their kids live, and get the chance to actually be parents...here on Earth...while they are living...to be blessed to see their child live..

While I do not agree with Feminists, and am far from one myself-I can see that it is more than fear that these folks feel when they kvetch and groan with rage about "men" or indignities. Thank God, I never fell for or kindered to any of that anti-male propaganda. But I see how some were, sadly, pulled into it

Some slick soul thought he'd tap into that pain long ago, and sell these people on that -pumping it into rage...

So groups of sad and disenchanted women could act out their lives as an expression of that sadness, disappointment and pain.

And, let’s be honest here, friends. The disappointment in some Dads can occur just as much in women and in men.

The implications are tragic.
Which only God can mend...

I am only sorry too few come out of the world system, to be able to get past things, to look to God.

I suppose, for some, that's a very long way home...


Well, in any case, to those who are Dads, Happy Father's Day :^)


Allen
It's the receding hairline, makes his head look bigger.

I'm with you, although it is almost worth reading his column to see what new title he's come up with. I'm still waiting for the column, "How Liberals Will Cause the Universe to End." You know it's coming, as soon as KM finishes that Annex astronomy course.

People
don't know what they want. Men want to be women, women want to be men. This man is happy being a man, with a wife who is a stay at home mom (gasp!) and a child who will be home schooled. (gasp!) I even have the final say in what does and does not happen concerning my family. (Say it isn't so!!) With all of that comes the trust that everything i do will always be in their best interest. Don't blame the feminists for being the way they are Kevin. If we could get half the pansy men in this country to stand up and do the right thing it would squash the feminist agenda in a heartbeat. The real problem is the wimpy, whiny, responsibility avoiding men of this country. Maybe if they stop cheating on their wives or running away from pregnancies, women wouldn't have to step up to the plate and do jobs that men should be doing.
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