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Wednesday, August 23, 2006
Ann Coulter :: Townhall.com Columnist
What Part of the War on Terrorism Do They Support?
by Ann Coulter
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This year's Democratic plan for the future is another inane sound bite designed to trick American voters into trusting them with national security.

To wit, they're claiming there is no connection between the war on terror and the war in Iraq, and while they're all for the war against terror -- absolutely in favor of that war -- they are adamantly opposed to the Iraq war. You know, the war where the U.S. military is killing thousands upon thousands of terrorists (described in the media as "Iraqi civilians," even if they are from Jordan, like the now-dead leader of al-Qaida in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi). That war.

As Howard Dean put it this week, "The occupation in Iraq is costing American lives and hampering our ability to fight the real global war on terror."

This would be like complaining that Roosevelt's war in Germany was hampering our ability to fight the real global war on fascism. Or anti-discrimination laws were hampering our ability to fight the real war on racism. Or dusting is hampering our ability to fight the real war on dust.

Maybe Dean is referring to a different globe, like Mars or Saturn, or one of those new planets they haven't named yet.

Assuming against all logic and reason that the Democrats have some serious objection to the war in Iraq, perhaps they could tell us which part of the war on terrorism they do support. That would be easier than rattling off the long list of counterterrorism measures they vehemently oppose.

They oppose the National Security Agency listening to people who are calling specific phone numbers found on al-Qaida cell phones and computers. Spying on al-Qaida terrorists is hampering our ability to fight the global war on terror!

Enraged that the Bush administration deferred to the safety of the American people rather than the obstructionist Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court, one Clinton-appointed judge, James Robertson, resigned from the FISA court in protest over the NSA spying program.

Democratic Sen. Russell Feingold called for a formal Senate censure of President Bush when he found out the president was rude enough to be listening in on al-Qaida phone calls. (Wait until Feingold finds out the White House has been visiting Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's "MySpace" page!)

Last week a federal judge appointed by Jimmy Carter ruled the NSA program to surveil phone calls to al-Qaida members in other counties unconstitutional.

Democrats oppose the detainment of Taliban and al-Qaida soldiers at our military base in Guantanamo, Cuba. Democrats such as Rep. Jane Harman, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, have called for Guantanamo to be shut down.

The Guantanamo detainees are not innocent insurance salesmen imprisoned in some horrible mix-up like something out of a Perry Mason movie. The detainees were captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan. You remember -- the war liberals pretended to support right up until approximately one nanosecond after John Kerry conceded the 2004 election to President Bush.

But apparently, imprisoning al-Qaida warriors we catch on the battlefield is hampering our ability to fight the global war on terror.

Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin has compared Guantanamo to Nazi concentration camps and Soviet gulags, based on a report that some detainees were held in temperatures so cold that they shivered and others were forced to listen to loud rap music -- more or less approximating the conditions in the green room at "The Tyra Banks Show." Also, one of the detainees was given a badminton racket that was warped.

New York Times columnist Bob Herbert complained this week that detainees in Guantanamo have "no hope of being allowed to prove their innocence." (I guess that's excluding the hundreds who have been given administrative hearings or released already.)

Of course all the usual "human rights" groups are carping about how brutally our servicemen in Guantanamo are treating the little darlings who are throwing feces at them.

Democrats oppose the Patriot Act, the most important piece of legislation passed since 9/11, designed to make the United States less of a theme park for would-be terrorists.

The vast majority of Senate Democrats (43-2) voted against renewing the Patriot Act last December, whereupon their minority leader, Sen. Harry Reid, boasted: "We killed the Patriot Act" -- a rather unusual sentiment for a party so testy about killing terrorists.

In 2004, Sen. John Kerry -- the man they wanted to be president -- called the Patriot Act "an assault on our basic rights." At least all "basic rights" other than the one about not dying a horrible death at the hand of Islamic fascists. Yes, it was as if Congress had deliberately flown two commercial airliners into the twin towers of our Constitution.

They oppose profiling Muslims at airports.

They oppose every bust of a terrorist cell, sneering that the cells in Lackawanna, New York City, Miami, Chicago and London weren't a real threat like, say, a nondenominational prayer before a high school football game. Now that's a threat.

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Are We Surprised?
Ann my dear,

What do you expect from the radical far-left, rabidly Bush-hating Democratic Party? As David Limbaugh has documented, the Democrats' position on the war on terror is constantly bash the Bush Administration. This, they feel, will deflect the attention of the American people from asking a very important question: "Do the Democrats have an alternative foreign policy?" As we know, the answer to that question is a resounding NO!

So, to deflect from their lack of any alternative policy regarding the war on terror (unless one wants to call "cut and run out of Iraq and concede defeat to the terrorists - just so say it out loud" a policy), the liberal Demo-Rats just keep bashing Bush.

Fortunately, the American people are not stupid.

Ann's on the money
As I read Ann's article, I envisioned a grid on an Excel spreadsheet listing the actions the lefties were in favor of versus those they are against in fighting the war on terror.

What, in fact, are the Democrats in favor of doing? Virtually everything we do in the war on terrorism outside of Afghanistan and Iraq are "police actions"; that is, those kinds of actions that the John Kerrys, Deans & Pelosi's demand we do. But they won't even allow our counter-terrrorism folks to eavesdrop electronicallty without permission! We give terrorists more rights than drug dealers.

Simple campaign slogan for reps...
...Who would terrorists vote for?

Politics is their war
It seems like they don't really care about solving the problems of the country unless they are in charge. I coached basketball for years and occasionally I'd have a good player who would rather score 25 points in a loss than 5 points in a win. It hurts the team-makes it hard to win. The dems had no problem voting for regime change and bombing Iraq when Clinton was president even though a cynic might think he was trying to overshadow his Lewinsky problem. And while criticising Bush' Social security plan they haven't come up with their own yet. It is childish behavior. I write about it onmy blog.

?
Yo ANN... You gotta problem with MYSPACE?
What, are you sayin your too good for MYSPACE?



whoa!

Ann, telling it like it is!
As many of us have said on this forum. The one single plan that the democrats have, is to GET Bush! The terrorist killing thousands around the world is but a distraction, unless, it can be used to attack Bush. I wouldn't trust these Liberal Talicrats to protect a Taco stand! But wait! They probably would if it were run by illegal immigrants.

What part of the War on Terrorism do ...
...they support? Let's start with the capture or killing of Osama Bin Laden. Apparently that is not part of the Bush plan since the Bin Laden family has so much dirt on the Bush family that I think Osama is perfectly safe from this administration. Anyone up for debate on this?

Kali that argument is silly
And I will prove it:

Here is a trusted leader of our government with a man who killed somewhere near 40-60 million people:

http://www.russianlife.net/archive/stalin3.jpg

He even called him Uncle Joe!


PS. Can anyone tell me how to spot a terrorist if they dont wear uniforms?(Even the dead ones?)

nitwits
Go Ann! Keep telling it like it is. Who keeps voting this tali-dems into congress? Please Kali
tell us you aren,t one of those nitwits! Carter and Clinton two of the worst presidents ever still running around shooting off all that blather and spin are so stupid they don't know when to shut up! WE have killed thousands of the
terrorists and No one really knows whether Osama is really alive. I just want us to go in and get
Iran and Syria...then maybe Russia too! Great countries remain great when they take down the enemy. If this were the war of 1776, many of those lib nitwits would have been shot or hanged as traitors. America haters...leave the country!

Kali-fornia Dreaming
The day Osama is captured during Bush's adminstration we will have Howard, Nancy and Harry telling use how unimportant his capture is. They will tell us the real issue is whatever is currently a problem, Hezbos, oil prices, inflation, steroids...

Bill will claim he helped and never worked harder on anything else in his life.

Hillary will fly to wherever to get a photo-op the troops and Osama's wife.

And the Democrats will say they always were for the war on terror.

Remember what happen with the capture of Saddam.

I disagree
". . . Afghanistan. You remember -- the war liberals pretended to support right up until approximately one nanosecond after John Kerry conceded the 2004 election to President Bush."

I don't remember liberals really supporting Afghanistan pre-2004, pretended or real. So, I went back to one of Ann's old columns, and sure enough, there's a lib saying Afghanistan is a quagmire (I recall hearing that a lot during that time period; funny way of pretending support). Anyway, check her column of Feb. 8, 2001, "Being liberal means never having to say sorry." It's fun read, and it shows that things really haven't changed.

Osama
I would love to see Osama taken out right before the elections. Then the Dems can complain that it was planned by the Repubs to help the election.

randomthoughts
Your right. Even though the Liberals insist that this single man Osama, should be Bush's primary focus. When he is captured or killed, the Liberals will just pick something else to rally around. I only hope that when we do get him, he is killed on the spot! Can you just imagine the months and months of trials, as the Liberals try and bestow all our American Rights upon this murdering monster as they rush to defend him.

Skier, good point! they probably would do that!

Goshawk,
They've already told us that Osama is peripheral.

From Ann's Feb.8, 2002 column, "Being liberal means never having to say sorry":

"Feigning objectivity while trying to demoralize the country, Ackerman wrote: 'Even if we catch and kill Osama bin Laden, others will take his place.'"

And how many times have we heard that line of reasoning? I have to hand it to libs; they can hold two diametrically opposing views on a variety of things and still convince almost half of the people out there that they are sincere.

They support the war against us
The Democrats has been a pretty good enemy of ours even if they are on American soil. What's missing are just the weapons in their hands. They have attack us on all fronts. Beginning with Home Land Security and the recent Judge Taylor's ruling that the NSA was unconstitutional. The Democrats were never worried about American's losing their rights, they were worried that our constitution didn't give enemy combatants American born rights. The Democrats are still on the fence about which side of this war they're on. They want it clear with no doubts that they hold no harsh feelings towards any terrorists at all. The Democrats like Harry Reid say he doesn't feel safe. Well what terrorist is going to harm Harry Reid or any Democrat after they get an ear full of their daily propaganda on how President Bush is hated by the world and how our troops kill innocent civilians at will. They couldn't wait to compare our troops to Nazi's at Gitmo and they get upset when someone calls them unpatriotic. The Democrats plays the role of being an American when election times roles around and talks about love of country and fighting to protect the American people because they know it will get them votes. It's only at times like elections when the antiwar protesters and the antiAmerican's overlooks the patriotism the Democrats portrays in order to get elected. They can live with the campaign lies the Democrats speak every time they breathe. John Kerry was a perfect example of this. The Democrats tells us we need a change. From what? It's not only President Bush they've been hammering along with the troops, but the American people as well. Will these changes recognize there are terrorists after all who wants to kill us just for being Americans. Or will they give us the antiwar, antiAmerican crap, it's America's fault and now all we have to do is talk and all will be fine. Bull. We know what will happen if the Democrats ever get back in control. We will have suicide bombers here in America with more rights then American's have if left up to the Democrat's and Judges like Taylor.

Cynewulf :

The Democrats get away with it because of a complicit media. They can voice multiple opinions on any given issue and never be taking to task. Hillary's handlers go so far as to insist on receiving a transcript of the questions before they will even agree to an interview. It’s no wonder, at least to conservatives, why the libs hate Fox News, talk radio and "Bloggers in pajamas" so much.

Good job folks
So we engineered a solution for friends of Iran to run Iraq, Karsai is finally getting his pipeline while the country is run by the warlords and their opium production, we negotiated a cease-fire that permits Hezbollah to re-arm, re-organize, and make us look bad by getting money to the people of Lebanon a bit faster than we did for Katrina. China runs the show in Iran and North Korea and let us flail about and make fools of ourselves.

The Brits have done a great job in investigation of terror, arresting and even putting them on trial. How many terrorists have we "brought to justice" in the US. One? Good job folks. And no, I do not believe the Dems would do any better.

Cutter,
"Bloggers in pajamas"

Loved that one. Why, you ... you ... bloggers in pajamas! Who was the goof that laid that one down? I can't remember.

Cynewulf
I'll check out Ann's Feb, 08, 02 column!

When you say "they can hold two diametrically opposing views on a variety of things and still convince almost half of the people out there that they are sincere." It must have something to do with peoples short attention span.

And Cutter makes some good points.

Modernone
What are you complaining about? I thought allyou left wingers wanted a cease-fire imposed in Lebanon to ease the suffering of the 'civilians'. Now that you have it, it's a bad idea?

As for the Katrina reference, it is not actally the responsibility of the federal government to give money to people too stupid to get out of the path of a major hurricane that everyone saw coming! But we did, and guess what...a lot of that money went to folks that did not deserve it and misused it. Just another boondoggle that the left loved...until it was implemented, now you don't like that either. And from various media reports Hezbollah is just doing its job as a 'social services provider'.

Also, what is your brilliant idea about dealing with the Chinese? We probably wouldn't be in this mess with N. Korea if Bubba hadn't signed an agreement to build them nuclear facilities and found himself shocked--shocked I tell ya--that Kim Jong Il actually had plans to use that technology to build weapons. A lying communist dictator, who saw that one coming?!

As to the dealing with terrorists, if your cup of tea is the law-and-order bag we have broken up the Lakawanna 6 plot and the recent plot hatched in Miami. I hope that fills your jones for courtroom drama, but I personally like the idea of finding the terrorists and eliminating them where we find them. Screw the courts, let the undertaker sort 'em out!

But other than all of these problms that I have with your post, it was a pretty good job. For a left wing whiner, that is!

Osama
I'd like to see Osama bin Laden taken out if only to force the luny left to change their tune. I'm sick of hearing that OBL must be captured even though he is unimportant and will immediately be replaced. (I agree with the second half of this proposition.) Surely they wouldn't just replace the name in this garbage.

But I insist that he be killed; not captured. The soldier who captured Saddam should be court martialed for needlessly endangering himself and his unit. The proper procedure would have been to drop a grenade down that hole before dragging Saddam out.

Cynewulf -- Bloggers in Pajamas

As memory serves, the story had something to do with some Rather-biased guy and "forged documents that were true."

It was a "Freeper" named Buckhead that first raised suspicion about the validity of the documents. Powerlineblog.com and Little Green Footballs picked it up from there and eventually the msm, having little choice, entered the frey.

A former CBS News executive named Jonathan Klein was the individual who dismissively referred to the bloggers as "a guy sitting in his living room in his pajamas writing what he thinks." Hmm... I resemble that remark.

God Bless America and our freedom of expression. Yes, even in pajamas. (LOL)

Goshawk:

Thanks for the plug.

On another note. Phylo cut and pasted his 9:13 AM post on Medved's column @ 10:02 PM. I called him on it. Question is, has he done this sort of thing before? Not the sort of thing I would do. Any thoughts?

Birdman posted after me (Medved's column) and has blood in his eye for Phylo's Haditha rant -- posted to Sowell’s column of 08/22/06 . Check it out.

Kali Is Back!
And I'm glad to see she hasn't lost her tinfoil helmet! Yep, Bush is protecting OBL because of all the "dirt" he has on the Bush family. Right. And, despite being the world's biggest dunce, Bush has managed to put together another massive conspiracy including the military, our security and intelligence agencies and those of our allies to protect all those skeletons in his closet. Maybe OBL had dirt on Clinton, too, which explains why he refused to accept OBL as a prisoner when he was offered in the 90's

As I have predicted before, we know that two things will happen on the day that OBL is captured or brought to justice (assuming it happens while Bush is in office): 1) The Democrats will do an immediate about face from claiming that capturing OBL is the singular component of the war on islamofascism (which they deny is a war--just Republican "fear mongering") to spinning that he is irrelevent. 2) They will claim that the timing is "suspicious" because of whatever scandalgate-du-jour they have cooked up at the time, or approaching elections.

As for Afghanistan, libs were dead set against it before we invaded. Remember all the Democrat bleating about how there was no proof the Taliban was involved? How the Afghans were the fiercest fighters in the world whom we had no chance of beating? That we could not possibly succeed where the Russians had failed? That we couldn't deal with the weather, mountains, etc.? Remember how it was declared a "quagmire" on day 3 of the invasion? No, there strategy, as usual, was to run away. And maybe accept Sharia law if that would make the terrorists leave us alone.

Terrorism and Iraq
*shameless plug alert* I have just posted my essay "Thomas Hobbes And The New Iraq" at my blog, so click on my name and join the debate.

Coulter - more diarrhea
Ann doesn't support anything with facts, and actually goes out of her way to ignore inconvenient facts. How anyone can listen to this prejudiced blowhard is beyond me.

What the heck, to prove her lack of facts, lets look at the following:

"..(the democrats) claiming there is no connection between the war on terror and the war in Iraq...'

Maybe, just maybe, Ann can explain the connection? All those nasty old Iraqis in the 9/11 plot (oops, there were NO Iraqis in the 9/11 plot) or that mean old Saddam (W: 'he tried to kill my daddy') and his WMDs (oops again, no WMDs).

Oh, I get it - lets spread democracy in the Middle East and those rascal terrorists will just melt away. Dickie said we'd be welcomed in Iraq as liberators, and in 2005 he said that the Iraq insurgency was in 'its last throes.' Must be true! And the flip side is his buddies at Halliburton get to make multi billions $$$ out of this in no-bid contracts. Wow, such a deal!

So how does Iraq fit into our war on terror? Well, lets tie-up 150,000 US troops, have over 2600 of our young men & women killed, spend $290 BILLION, as a start. And we can't spend $500 million (we're talking MILLIONs, here) for improved port security, $6 million for research on detecting explosive liquids (which we knew were dangerous since the mid-90s), etc etc.

But hey, Iraq is at the front of the war on terror, and its not distracting us from the real war.

Yeah, sure.

Good grief, people, how can you possible believe W and these right wing idiots? I know, don't worry about facts, just believe it cause THEY say it. They've been spouting lies cloaked in national security since before the Iraq invasion; but when the facts are presented, they just ignore them, attack the messenger, and keep repeating right wing/White House sound bites.

More 'gems' from Coulter:

'.. the war where the U.S. military is killing thousands upon thousands of terrorists (described in the media as "Iraqi civilians," even if they are from Jordan...'

I suppose Ann has some facts to support this silly assertion. All those folks dying in Iraq are obviously terrorists, answering the 'Terrorists Wanted to Kill Americans' adverts in the Bagdad newspapers.

I feel safer already, knowing those dastardly Iraqis aren't going to get those jobs.

Typical Coulter stupidity - an assertion with no facts: 'thousands upon thousands of terrorists'


"They (democrats) oppose the National Security Agency listening to peoople who are calling specific ...."

No, the democrats don't oppose surveillance programs. they just want W and his band of incompetent liers to follow, umm, the law and the Constitution. That is, after all, what we're fighting for.

Oh, never mind Ann, don't worry about the Constitution - we'll just check with you and your other Fox News dimwits to see whats right and wrong, since you've obviously got a lock on the truth.

Gimme a break!

"..obstructionist Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court...'

What, 5 out of 20,000 (yes, that's 20,000) warrant requests to this court have been rejected. And that's obstructionist? I suppose that following the law is just too difficult for W and his gang - why bother, when you are King?

'..they oppose every bust of a terrorist cell...'

Hey, Ann, how about a little proof of this idiotic statement? Never mind, Coulter doesn't have any proof, and as usual has diarrhea of the mouth (or computer, in this case). So typical of her as The Ugly Republican (as opposed to the good and decent Rebublicans, of which there are many).

And please spare the attacks on my character, and instead deal with some facts. I know that's a lot to ask, but I have to try.

Prosecuting Terrorists...
...should be legal enforcement actions, or so say the liberal democrats. How else do you suppose they could be appointed counsels and demand high taxpayer paid legal fees, all the time turning the court system into a media/human rights circus that they've already done with the few cases they've already handled, subsequently suing for big settlements for improperly detaining them.

They're right about one thing: Gitmo should be shut down - but all the detainees should then be shipped out on a boat headed east, back to where they came from - and then sunk, well out of sight of Amnesty International and such, disappearing just as flight 800 did. Of course we'll make sure they all have their own Koran...

Dem Strategists
As a group are so stupid, they haven't realized yet that Bush isn't going to be running for President again in 2008. Maybe someone should tell them. Then they could focus their vitriol on some other deserving soul, like, uh, the Pope? No, wait. He won't be running either...

Cutter!
Checked it out. Poor ol phylo, it will never learn.

Terrorists
mman got lost on his way to moveon.org and ended up at Townhall. Gotta hate it when that happens.

Dems are blind to the facts. They strive to project their pacifistic "have you hugged your terrorist today" agenda. They foolishly believe if you take the route of appeasement the terrorists of the world will happily go away. Ask Israel what cooperation gets you when dealing with terrorists. Ask all of the people who died in the WTC on 9/11, 8 years after the first bombing of the building. Ask the soldiers who died on the Cole or the Embassy workers in Africa, the Marines who died in the Kohbar Towers. All of those Americans died at the hands of radical islamic terrorists during a war nobody wanted to admit we were in.

Ann vs liberals
Listening to a liberal trying to refute any of Ann's points, such as on yesterday's Hannity radio show, is always comical. Trying to supposedly support the war on terror while at the same time opposing each and every part of said war is a bit of logic that only liberals can understand.

Trolls: At least answer Ann's challenge
I would have thought that at least ONE of the rants against Ann would have addressed her challenge:

Explain what part of the war on terror Democrats support.

And if you say "the search for Osama bin Laden" then please address the fact that keep that Al Gore has said that he would NOT have invaded Afghanistan.

mman - the ultimate hypocrite
It's hilarious to me mman that you go off spouting how it's incredible to you that people believe what Ann and others are saying, and you back this up by spouting totally unsubstantiated BS. Thanks for the laugh. If you have any actual evidence of anything you stated, post it so we can all see it. And don't bother posting any dailykos blogs or conspiracy sites. Let's have reliable sources. That being said, see you next year...

Ann, you've disappointed me...
I no longer think you are perfect. I thought you know that the verb form of surveillance is "survey," not "surveil." I cracked on Elanor Holmes Norton for it, so it's only fair that I crack on you for it, too.

Aside from that, you're right on target again.

Mann Coulter: lying sack of cr#p
Mann Coulter says: "To wit, they're claiming there is no connection between the war on terror and the war in Iraq,"

Phylo says: We are saying that Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorists who hit us on 9/11. And in case you didn't hear it the other day, Bush himself has said that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. (I'm guessing that was news to many of you.) (It'll be news to 80% of the troops in Iraq, according to a recent Zogby poll.)

We're also saying that Al Queda had no presence in Iraq until we showed up.

Mann Coulter continues: and while they're all for the war against terror -- absolutely in favor of that war -- they are adamantly opposed to the Iraq war. You know, the war where the U.S. military is killing thousands upon thousands of terrorists (described in the media as "Iraqi civilians," even if they are from Jordan, like the now-dead leader of al-Qaida in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi). That war.

Phylo: Every general on the ground over there will tell you that the vast majority of the viloence is homegrown sectarian violence––not foriegn jihadists. The people dying over there in the thousands ARE Iraqi civilians caught up in a civil war.

Mann Coulter says: "Assuming against all logic and reason that the Democrats have some serious objection to the war in Iraq..."

Phylo: Huh? We oppose the war in Iraq because it was unnecessary, and, if we would have listened to the CIA and the State Dept. they would have told us that civil war was the MOST LIKELY result of this disasterous misadventure. That's illogical? Unreasonable?

Mann Coulter says: They oppose the National Security Agency listening to people who are calling specific phone numbers found on al-Qaida cell phones and computers. Spying on al-Qaida terrorists is hampering our ability to fight the global war on terror!

Phylo says: Do you people really believe this lie? We believe that the President should not be allowed to ignore specific stautes passed by congress because this is a violation of the separate powers of the three branches of government. We also believe that the President can either work within the FISA laws and still fight the war on terror, or, if not, he should work with congress to develop a new law.

Honestly, the only thing holding the Republican Party together these days is lies and half truths and delusional followers like the fools on this website. If any of you people knew half the truth you would be screaming for impeachment.

Phylo out.


Flagwaver
My comment is not a libs vs. conservative comment. It is a US vs. terrorism comment. Condi botched the Lebanon negotiation and did exactly what Bush said we would not do. Thank you for agreeing on Iraq. Katrina, the problem is Bush says he is going to fix it and then can't deliver. The Chinese? I would not let them be our banker and primary source of manufactured goods so they hold the cards not only for Iran and North Korea but our economy too. Good point on the arrests, that helps but I can not see us going into the Phillipeans, Somalia, Pakistan, Iran, Afganistan, bali, Lebanon, .... with soldiers to kill the terrorists. We dont have enough Marines as it is. We have very little credibility in the world any more and it does not help when people like Ann can do nothing but spout hate for the albeit stupid leadership on the left. The leadership on the right is no better. It would be nice to hear some recognition that we are failing and we need some fresh ideas.

mman and Kali
where i come from , mman and Kali both
are synonymous with " rhino dumo " .

Phylo
The argument that Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 and therefore we shouldnt be there is preposterous! While there is no evidence of any Iraqi help with 9/11 and there is evidence of numerous meetings between top al Qaeda officials and top Iraq officials both in Iraq and Afghanistan. The 9/11 concludes that although there is no evidence of a working relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda, they cannot rule one out. And if they did not already have a relationship, how can one be sure they wouldn't soon establish one.
More importantly, the threat we face is more then just Al Qaeda and Bin Ladin. We have to destroy islamic extremists, and deny them their state sponsors, and most importantly prevent them, by any means, the oppurtunity to get a WMD.
When your CIA director tells you the evidence of Iraq WMD is a "slam dunk", when congressmen on both sides of the aisle are claiming Iraq has WMD and intelligence agencies all over the world are calling Tommy Franks to warn him about Iraqs WMDS on the eve of war, coupled with the evidence of meetings with Al Qaeda, some action had to be taken. Terrorists coupled with crzed state sponsors who have or are seeking wmds, is something we cannot allow.
Food for thought: even liberal darling Joe Wilson thought Iraq had wmd. In an editorial in the L.A. times in February 2003 he claimed "… There is now no incentive for Hussein to comply with the inspectors or to refrain from using weapons of mass destruction to defend himself if the United States comes after him.
And he will use them; we should be under no illusion about that." Fascinating


Despite reading Phylo's nonsense every day on these boards, I have yet to see any explanation of how pulling out of Iraq will make us safer. I am desperate to know.

mman . . .
posts that right-wingers are "idiots", then closes his post with the caveat not to attack his "character".

Mman, you just proved your hypocrisy. In your bizarro universe, you can rant about opposing views and posters, calling them "idiots" and "prejudiced blowhards", but no one can cast aspersions on YOUR pristine character.

Well, Mman, I'm a right-winger, a Republican, an NRA life-member, Vietnam vet (in other words, everything you apparently hate).

I won't stoop to attack your ranting blather, but I would attack your so-called character, except you have none.

mman
There is an easy response to your assertions.

Pick up just one of Ann's books (get it at your library so you won't be "lining her pocket" with YOUR money); pick a chapter the subject of which you are CERTAIN she's lying about, then back-check her copius footnotes that cite specific sources for her opinions. Check out those sources for yourself and try to find one example where she lied.

If you are honest in your investigation, you will arrive at two conclusions:

1. While you may not agree with Ann's opinions, you won't find her lying about her facts.
2. You'd be hard-pressed to find even ONE liberal writer whose "facts" could survive such scrutiny.

Of course, in suggesting this course of action I realize I'd have a better chance at winning the lottery than I would at convincing you to take on this challenge.

General01
I, too, have wondered about why the leftists (Phylo is typical) are so anxious to have us believe Iraq and the War on Islamo-Fascism (formerly known as the War on Terror) are two completely separate entities.

Phylo and others would have us think that Sadam was a kindly old kite-flying, children-loving gentleman who was "contained" and didn't (and never would) present a danger to anyone (other than coalition pilots patrolling the "no-fly" zone).

The leftists (socialists, generally) seem to think that capturing or killing bin Laden would signal victory and the US could dismantle Homeland Security and repeal the Patriot Act.

Want to bet that if the Democrats win in '08 (the horror, the horror!), they will start a dialog with terrorists, pay them off with US taxpayer dollars like they did with N. Korea in 1994, and we'd be "safe" (until the terrorists money ran out)?

[sorry about the length of this post; I try to keep it short]

Ms. Ann Coulter
The start of a day without "hearing" from Ann Coulter sucks..

Ms. Ann Coulter
The start of a day without "hearing" from Ann Coulter sucks..

Improvements in America
Ann you are always inspirational!

I have two suggestions to improve American morale and confidence in Security.

The first, is to have you, Ann Coulter, appointed to the Supreme Court.

The second, I borrow from you, put Rush Limbaugh's face on Mt Rushmore.

DavidMac: LOL
You wrote: "Phylo and others would have us think that Sadam was a kindly old kite-flying, children-loving gentleman who was "contained" and didn't (and never would) present a danger to anyone (other than coalition pilots patrolling the "no-fly" zone)."

That is, actually, one of the problems with the leftist idealistic worldview, they're always using the "he's just another human like us" argument against acting.

Once you start looking at the world that way, you immobilize yourself, because you can find SOME good in anyone. Hell, even Hitler loved Schatzie (his dog) and Eva Braun.

Phylo's "aversion" to ad hominem attacks
Ann Coulter is right on, as usual. Therefore, the libs are piqued, as usual -- Phylo no less than any.

I won't address Phylo's "arguments" because that would be a waste of everyone's time. What intrigues me about him/her across all the pundits' columns I've seen him/her comment on is his/her enthusiastic wallow in ad hominem attacks on the pundit in question and conservatives in general. It seems to be a prerequisite for any of his/her posts, though he/she claims to be above responding to such ad hominem attacks sent in his/her direction.

"Mann" Coulter? Puleeeze!! Being a lib, I can understand how Phylo might be confused about that sort of thing but seriously, such name calling is a tactic one might expect from a "tween" or socially underdeveloped eighth grader in a middle school rant. OK, OK -- a socially inept RISING eighth grader.

Perhaps the best any of us can do to encourage a more mature, adult approach on Phylo's part is to apply his/her own standard for responding to ad hominem attacks and ignore all of his/her posts that contain any as the pathetic cries for attention they seem to be. Even the most easily amused should quickly tire of screeching into the canyon with no echo to reward the effort. Whether Phylo ever gets it or not, it should at least raise the level of discourse in these strings, if anyone is interested in doing that.

Mman and Phylo - wrong again -surprise!
First, you must have been hanging around here too long rather than back home at Kos--the current lib talking point is that there is no war on Islamofascist terror; it's all just Republican "fear mongering" to win the fall election.

Putting that aside, you earnestly assure us that Saddam had no direct involvement in 9/11 (which you think we believe) therefor Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror. We'll leave aside the meetings between Al Qaeda and high level Iraqi intelligence officers prior to 9/11--I'm sure they were just discussing the price of rugs. By your logic, we had no business fighting fascism in Europe during WWII; after all, Germany had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor. In point of fact, Iraq was training terrorists, funding terrorists, harboring terrorists and developing weapons programs that could provide our enemies with bio, chem and eventually nuke weapons. You say we should have listened to the State Dept and not liberated Iraq(proof that they were against invasion then?) Instead, we listened to Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Madeleine Albright, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, etc., etc. Oh, yeah, I forgot--Bush the Dunce pulled off a massive scheme to trick all of those geniuses, even before he came to office.

You claim that terrorists are not dying by the thousands in Iraq, and that many of them are not from outside Iraq. In fact, our troops are killing terrorists at at least a ratio of 10 to 1 to our losses, many of them from Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, etc. Unless you believe traitors like Lurch Kerry and Murtha who would have you believe that our soldiers are the terrorists, running around Iraq killing innocent civilians in cold blood. With all your purported sympathy for Iraqi civillians killed, you never managed to work up much outrage over Saddam's torture chambers, rape rooms, wood chippers and mass graves. In fact, you wish they were still in business.

Regarding NSA, you possess an extremely limited grasp of the Constitution, like all libs. You find "emanations" and "penumbras" giving you the right to stick a fork in a baby's head, but ignore clearly stated definitions of the Executive Branch's power to gather enemy intelligence during time of war. Much as Democrats would like to create a Terrorist Bill Of Rights, terrorists in fact have no rights, either under our Constitution or the Geneva Convention. Here's a clue for you Constitutional scholars--the 4th ammendment defines search and seizure rights for American citizens under criminal investigation and does not apply to enemy combatants. In fact, FISA itself is an unconstitutional power grab by the Legislative branch. And before you trot out the recent idiotic decision by the Carter appointee that even lib lawyers are laughing at, any bets on whether that one stands up to appeal?

Ann Coulter ALWAYS FACTS
I have read all of Ann's books and can tell you that EVERY quote is backed up with an endnote where you can check that the person quoted actually said what he/she said. The libs in this post have OBVIOUSLY not read her books, so they just dismiss her as a liar. Ann's references are so numerous in each of her books, that the endnotes alone are 20-something or 30-something pages long!
Go to the library, libs! Check out her endnotes and do the research. Then find just ONE LIE!! I DARE YOU!!

Mr. Gault,

Brilliant. Very elequently stated and supported with examples and solid arguments. In looking at liberal posts around a variety of forums I have never seen an equivilant post from the left side.
They are very good at calling names though.

mman...phylo
I'm so tired of this false argument. You can't win the argument on the merits so you change the question. No is or has claimed Iraq was involved in 9/11 and yet everytime, the Iraq war comes up, you scream that Iraq wasn't involved with 9/11. Ok. We never said they were. Quit ignoring the fact that Iraq was a state sponsor of terror. Quit igoring the fact that we are fighting a war on terror, not a war on Al-Qaeda. Quit ignoring the fact that terrorists, including Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi, have been captured or killed as a result. Quit ignoring the fact that we have not been attacked within our borders since the war began. Quit ignoring the fact that the real source of the terror is young, male, fanatical Muslims and objecting to applying closer scrutiny to them than anyone else. And quit ignoring history. Ignoring facists doesn't make them go away. It makes them bolder.

JohnGalt,

Well said. The Pearl Harbor example fits perfectly and is the best historical analogy I have heard. Unfortunately, it probably fell on deaf ears.

mman...phylo
I'm so tired of this false argument. You can't win the argument on the merits so you change the question. No is or has claimed Iraq was involved in 9/11 and yet everytime, the Iraq war comes up, you scream that Iraq wasn't involved with 9/11. Ok. We never said they were. Quit ignoring the fact that Iraq was a state sponsor of terror. Quit igoring the fact that we are fighting a war on terror, not a war on Al-Qaeda. Quit ignoring the fact that terrorists, including Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi, have been captured or killed as a result. Quit ignoring the fact that we have not been attacked within our borders since the war began. Quit ignoring the fact that the real source of the terror is young, male, fanatical Muslims and objecting to applying closer scrutiny to them than anyone else. And quit ignoring history. Ignoring facists doesn't make them go away. It makes them bolder.

JohnGalt,

Well said. The Pearl Harbor example fits perfectly and is the best historical analogy I have heard. Unfortunately, it probably fell on deaf ears.

Just a request for our favorite libs
Please take a moment from negativity and personal attacks. Can you or can you not say what part of the War On Terror that you support? Can you or can you not say what programs you DO support? Can you or can you not propose actual workable plans other than:
. Capture Osama (with no methodology. A goal, not a plan)
. Talk to them nicely (offer what for what?)
. Get allies (to do what is unclear)

Lets pretend we have a perfect universe and you have a do-over. 9-11 just happened and President Gore is in the White House. What should our plan have been?

I agree with random
"Your right. Even though the Liberals insist that this single man Osama, should be Bush's primary focus. When he is captured or killed, the Liberals will just pick something else to rally around. I only hope that when we do get him, he is killed on the spot! Can you just imagine the months and months of trials, as the Liberals try and bestow all our American Rights upon this murdering monster as they rush to defend him."

I can also see bin Laden on the talk show circuit being interviewed by a tearful Oprah or Couric as he talks about his "feelings"...

Ann - the ultimate puppet master
He who makes you angry controls you.

It's so much fun to witness the moon bats and other leftists (kali, mman, phylo, wwdj, revmarok et al) come unhinged, abandon logic and obfuscate truth with each AC column. On a weekly basis AC and the folks at Townhall provide those of us who live in reality a grand community service.

Moonbats and the Art of Denial
Even if Iraq wasn't the best choice to expand the war on terror (and I supported the invasion), the enemy is certainly there now. Claims by the DailyKos notwithstanding, the terrorists, Islamists and Iranian agents are present in Iraq, so the battle is set before us. I take great issue with how this war is being conducted, and I am skeptical that democracy is a worthwhile goal for a culture as tribally fragmented and steeped in religious intolerance as what we see in Iraq. That being said, we are there, and our enemy is there, and we need to take drastic action NOW to take the inititive and win some sort of victory. *another shameless plug alert!* I discuss this in some detail on my blog entry titled "Thomas Hobbes and the New Iraq". Click on my name and see what you think.

response to general01
general01 said: "When your CIA director tells you the evidence of Iraq WMD is a "slam dunk", when congressmen on both sides of the aisle are claiming Iraq has WMD and intelligence agencies all over the world are calling Tommy Franks to warn him about Iraqs WMDS on the eve of war, coupled with the evidence of meetings with Al Qaeda, some action had to be taken. Terrorists coupled with crzed state sponsors who have or are seeking wmds, is something we cannot allow."

Phylo: First of all, Tenent was telling the president what he wanted to hear. Still, I agree that a lot of people ASSUMED he had SOME chemical and biological weapons. The nuclear threat, however, was a complete lie. 99% of the intelligence community was saying we don't have the evidence to support such a claim, yet the administration told the American people it was a certainty that Saddam had reconstituted his nuclear weapons program. In any event, the inspections were working and we had Saddam contained. Bush pulled the inspectors out. It was his choice. And this nonsense about supposed connections between Iraq and Al Queda has got to stop. No one has found any concrete evidence to support that claim. The fact that one or two Al Queda types might be in a country is no evidence. There are probably Al Queda people in Canada right now. You want to invade and occupy Canada over that?

Saddam was not a threat people. Read Ron Suskind's book The One Percent Doctrine. Then pick up the book Fiasco. The people running our country are insane!

Phylo out.

response to John Galt
John Galt: In point of fact, Iraq was training terrorists, funding terrorists, harboring terrorists and developing weapons programs that could provide our enemies with bio, chem and eventually nuke weapons.

Who is your source for this, and what concrete evidence do they offer to support this "factual" claim?

And I'm not impressed by long lists of highly questionable evidence. Give me your single best piece of evidence.

Phylo out.


still no answer
The liberal trolls have spread their baseless attacks, kooky conspiracy theories and remedial name calling far and wide but have yet to address the title of the article, "What part of the war on terror do they support"?

Can we question their patriotism now?

WHOA !!
Now hold on just a cotton pickin' minute !! Are you folks insinuating that Turbin Dick Durbin isn't a stalwart Patriot ? Or that Barbara Babs Boxer doesn't support the war on terror ? Or that Jean Franswaa Kerrie doesn't back our troops 100% ? Or that Hillary Clintoon isn't hawkish on national security ? Or that Capt. Chappy Teddy Kennedy is something more than just a bloviating gasbag ? Because if you are, who could argue with you ?

Moon Bat Bait
Why does the left still promote and repeat the blatant lie that Iraq did not have WMD when the U.S. invaded in 2003?

Uncontestable Fact 1: The Hussein regime used chemical weapons numerous times against its own countrymen and other countries on numerous occasions.

Uncontestable Fact 2: The Hussein regime possessed chemical weapons during the first Gulf War. The presence of chemical weapons was verified on numerous occasions during Operation Desert Storm.

Uncontestable Fact 3: The Hussein regime blocked, thwarted, deceived etc all attempts by the UN to inventory and destroy chemical weapons from the end of first Gulf War up until the 2003 U.S. lead invasion.

Uncontestable Fact 4: Significant amounts of chemical weapons have been located in Iraq since the 2003 U.S. lead invasion. In just one instance 500 mustard and sarin gas munitions were found. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html. There is ample evidence for any reasonable, objective person seeking to discern the truth that Iraq possessed WMD when the U.S. invaded in 2003.


response to rightmindedm mom
Go check out the first two chapters of Al Franken's book Lies, and the Lying Liars who tell them––A fair and balanced look at the right.

He documents the lies.

Phylo out.

Phylo:
You can call Ann a "man" all you want. If you, Ann Coulter, Susan Estrich (babe of the left), and Hillary CLinton (another Lefty babe) were the last people on earth, you'd be going for Ann quicker than Hitlery could pack your fudge.
Why am I saying this? You're probably a woman anyway. Or a gay male... the only way liberals come.

Oh, and Phylo:
Al Franken's book was so debunked that he was forced to re-label it as fiction. About two days later, Barnes and Noble had it on the bargain shelf for 75% off. I even bought a copy since I like being humored, and it was cheaper than renting a comedy from Blockbuster.

Hey Jeff!

Regarding your post: "Just a request for our favorite libs"

Extremely good questions put in a unequivocal way. I especially like your set-up for a "do-over" of post 9/11 with a "President Gore" in office.

You know, of course, you will NEVER get a straight, coherent answer to these questions. And if you do, the "plan" will augmented and supported by the "facts" available at CNN, the NYT and the other bastions of "truth" such as "Daily Kos."

The other day, I actually had and "educated" liberal tell me that Democrats really have a "plan" but are purposely concealing it to prevent us conservatives from demagoguing it before the election. I honestly sometimes wonder if these people ever really look at the things they write and truly expect us to NOT laugh at their hopelessness. Do you think they've ever stopped taking mood & mind altering substances? Or has too much irreparable mental damage been done?

Anyway, I'm not holding my breath for anyone to answer your challenge.

- Primus

response to markthompson23
markthompson23 said: I'm so tired of this false argument. You can't win the argument on the merits so you change the question. No is or has claimed Iraq was involved in 9/11 and yet everytime, the Iraq war comes up, you scream that Iraq wasn't involved with 9/11. Ok. We never said they were.

I pulled the following from Media Matters:

On the December 9, 2001, edition of NBC's Meet the Press, moderator Tim Russert asked Cheney if he "still believe[s] there is no evidence that Iraq was involved in September 11?" The vice president responded falsely that it was "pretty well confirmed" that an Iraqi intelligence officer met with September 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta shortly before the attacks. On the September 14, 2003, edition of Meet the Press, Cheney repeated his claim that Iraq and 9-11 are linked, saying: "If we're successful in Iraq ... we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9-11."

An October 21 study (pdf) conducted by the nonpartisan Program on International Policy Attitudes contradicts the suggestion that Bush voters merely believe in a general "connection of terrorism in Iraq." According to the study, 75 PERCENT of Bush supporters believe that Iraq under Saddam Hussein provided "substantial support" to Al Qaeda, and 20 percent of Bush supporters believe Iraq was directly involved in 9-11.

Now tell me markthompson23, how the F*CK did that happen? Are Bush supporters prone to delusional thinking. Or was it the result of a coordinated effort to link 9/11 and Iraq by mentioning the two in the same esentence or paragraph or speach over and over and over again?

Don't lie to yourself.

Phylo out.








Quit ignoring the fact that Iraq was a state sponsor of terror. Quit igoring the fact that we are fighting a war on terror, not a war on Al-Qaeda. Quit ignoring the fact that terrorists, including Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi, have been captured or killed as a result. Quit ignoring the fact that we have not been attacked within our borders since the war began. Quit ignoring the fact that the real source of the terror is young, male, fanatical Muslims and objecting to applying closer scrutiny to them than anyone else. And quit ignoring history. Ignoring facists doesn't make them go away. It makes them bolder.

Hillary for President?
Boy now that's scraping the bottom of the barrel when Democrats can't find a better potential candidate that ole' health care expert Hillary! You mean that she is the only women democrat that is "qualified"? I can just see it now, Hillary as president and Billy boy as first man? Where would Monica Lewinsky fit in? Bill Clinton as VP? Now that's going to give me nightmares. Didn't we have enough of him for eight years? I am glad I am a Republican. If it was between a democrat, Hillary and a Libertarian(yeech) I would vote for the Libertarian. How about Mrs. Liberman for prez? Mrs. Kerry? See there are others. :)

I have the lefts solution
Its the same solution they always come up with when dealing with bloodthirsty people who are either :
1. In government(Iran,North Korea,Cuba,USSR,China)
2. Or funded by #1

They give them things to kill us last.
- During his campaign Clinton told us about China's human rights violations, but when they offered him cash he gave them most favored nation status.

- North Korean politicians and high level military live in splendor why the populace starves or eats cats and dogs to survive. When they start developing nukes Jimmy Carter runs over there and offers them millions in Nuclear Power plant materials to play nice. That worked out well.

- I can't think of a single lefty who dislikes Castro. The kindly old dictator who was exiled(instead of executed) by the Batistas. When he finally captured, however them he had them all executed.

Gee, should I go on?

If the democrats get in charge, they will most likely start funnelling our foreign aid money from Israel into Iran's coffers, then declare the nuclear showdown 'over'.

Response to reagonite
I have no problem with your first two facts. The other two, however, leave me wondering if you understand the meaning of the word "uncontestable".


reagonites Uncontestable Fact 3: The Hussein regime blocked, thwarted, deceived etc all attempts by the UN to inventory and destroy chemical weapons from the end of first Gulf War up until the 2003 U.S. lead invasion.

Bush told the inspectors to get out or risk being killed. He didn't want to run the risk that they wouldn't find anything.


reagonites Uncontestable Fact 4: Significant amounts of chemical weapons have been located in Iraq since the 2003 U.S. lead invasion. In just one instance 500 mustard and sarin gas munitions were found. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html. There is ample evidence for any reasonable, objective person seeking to discern the truth that Iraq possessed WMD when the U.S. invaded in 2003.

Did you hear Bush's press conference the other day, when he said that we found NO WMDs. Just because Sean Hannity says it, doesn't make it an uncontestable fact you fool.

Phylo out.

response to Jeff
Jeff's challenge: Please take a moment from negativity and personal attacks. Can you or can you not say what part of the War On Terror that you support? Can you or can you not say what programs you DO support? Can you or can you not propose actual workable plans other than:
. Capture Osama (with no methodology. A goal, not a plan)
. Talk to them nicely (offer what for what?)
. Get allies (to do what is unclear)

Phylo: Despite what rightwing shock jocks say, we support using intelligence to find and capture actual terrorists. In fact I would triple our capabliltes to moniter and infiltrate Al Queda. And yes, I think we can do it without circumventing the law or ignoring the constitution.


Jeffs other challenge: Lets pretend we have a perfect universe and you have a do-over. 9-11 just happened and President Gore is in the White House. What should our plan have been?

Phylo: Here is Al Gore's speach from September of '03. Read it and weap Jeffrey.

“I believe we should focus our efforts first and foremost against those who attacked us on September 11th and who have thus far gotten away with it. The vast majority of those who sponsored, planned and implemented the cold-blooded murder of more than 3,000 Americans are still at large, still neither located nor apprehended, much less punished and neutralized. I do not believe that we should allow ourselves to be distracted from this urgent task simply because it is proving to be more difficult and lengthy than was predicted. Great nations persevere and then prevail. They do not jump from one unfinished task to another. We should remain focused on the war against terrorism.”
“I believe that we are perfectly capable of staying the course in our war against Osama Bin Laden and his terrorist network, while simultaneously taking those steps necessary to build an international coalition to join us in taking on Saddam Hussein in a timely fashion. If you're going after Jesse James, you ought to organize the posse first. Especially if you're in the middle of a gunfight with somebody who's out after you.”
“I am deeply concerned that the course of action that we are presently embarking upon with respect to Iraq has the potential to seriously damage our ability to win the war against terrorism and to weaken our ability to lead the world in this new century.”
“Nevertheless, President Bush is telling us that America's most urgent requirement of the moment - right now - is not to redouble our efforts against Al Qaeda, not to stabilize the nation of Afghanistan after driving its host government from power, even as Al Qaeda members slip back across the border to set up in Afghanistan again; rather, he is telling us that our most urgent task right now is to shift our focus and concentrate on immediately launching a new war against Saddam Hussein.”
“[T]he war against terrorism manifestly requires a multilateral approach. It is impossible to succeed against terrorism unless we have secured the continuing, sustained cooperation of many nations. And here's one of my central points; our ability to secure that kind of multilateral cooperation in the war against terrorism can be severely damaged in the way we go about undertaking unilateral action against Iraq.”
“[B]ack in 1991, President George H. W. Bush purposely waited until after the mid-term elections of 1990 in order to push for a vote at the beginning of the new Congress in January of 1991. President George W. Bush, by contrast, is pushing for a vote in this Congress immediately before the election. That in itself is not inherently wrong, but I believe that puts a burden on the shoulders of President Bush to dispel the doubts many have expressed about the role that politics might be playing in the calculations of some in the administration. I have not raised those doubts, but many have. And because they have been raised, this has become a problem for our country's effort to build a national consensus and an international coalition.”
“Rather than making efforts to dispel these concerns at home and abroad about the role of politics in the timing of his policy, the president is on the campaign trail two and three days a week, often publicly taunting Democrats with the political consequences of a "no" vote. The Republican National Committee is running pre-packaged advertising based on the same theme - all of this apparently in keeping with a political strategy clearly described in a White House aide's misplaced computer disk, which advised Republican operatives that their principal game plan for success in the election a few weeks away was to "focus on the war." Vice President Cheney, meanwhile, has indignantly described suggestions of any such thing as reprehensible, and then the following week took his discussion of the war to the Rush Limbaugh show.”
“I believe this proposed foreshortening of deliberation in the Congress robs the country of the time it needs for careful analysis of exactly what may lie before us. Such consideration is all the more important because the administration has failed thus far to lay out an assessment of how it thinks the course of a war will run - even while it has given free run to persons both within and close to the administration to suggest at every opportunity that this will be a pretty easy matter. And it may well be, but the administration has not said much of anything to clarify its idea of what would follow regime change or the degree of engagement that it is prepared to accept for the United States in Iraq in the months and years after a regime change has taken place.”
“I believe that this is unfortunate, because in the immediate aftermath of September 11, more than a year ago, we had an enormous reservoir of goodwill and sympathy and shared resolve all over the world. That has been squandered in a year's time and replaced with great anxiety all around the world, not primarily about what the terrorist networks are going to do, but about what we're going to do. My point is not that they are right to feel that way, but that they do feel that way. And that has consequences for us. Squandering all that goodwill and replacing it with anxiety in a year's time is similar to what was done by turning a hundred-billion-dollar surplus into a two-hundred-billion-dollar deficit in a year's time.”
“If what America represents to the world is leadership in a commonwealth of equals, then our friends are legion. If what we represent to the world is empire, then it is our enemies who will be legion.”

Phylo out.

...back to Ann
One word: Wit!
Ok ,2:
Tremendous Wit

Phylo here are a few sources for JG info
From http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/8/18/212822.shtml
"Saddam Hussein, in fact, paid rewards to the families of suicide bombers who murdered Israelis."

or look here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/653063/posts

"Saddam stokes war with suicide bomber cash ($25,000 reward for killing themselves and Jews!)
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | March 26 2002 | Paul McGeough


Posted on 03/25/2002 7:19:56 AM PST by dead


The Iraqi leader's payments to the families of dead Palestinian terrorists means more trouble for Yasser Arafat, writes Paul McGeough in the West Bank.


The hall was packed and the intake of breath was audible as a special announcement was made to the war widows of the West Bank - Saddam Hussein would pay $US25,000 ($47,000) to the family of each suicide bomber as an enticement for others to volunteer for martyrdom in the name of the Palestinian people.


The men at the top table then opened Saddam's chequebook and, as the names of 47 martyrs were called, family representatives went up to sign for cheques written in US dollars.


Those of two suicide bombers were the first to be paid the new rate of $US25,000 and those whose relatives had died in other clashes with the Israeli military were given $US10,000 each.


The $US500,000 doled out in this impoverished community yesterday means that the besieged Iraqi leader now has contributed more than $US10 million to grieving Palestinian families since the new intifada began 18 months ago.


But the timing of this clear signal that Saddam is stoking the Middle East conflict with his new $US15,000 bonus to encourage more suicide bombers - and exclusive pictures from the distribution ceremony, which was attended by the Herald - could make it more difficult for the Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat, to manage his already strained relationship with the United States."


or from the far right wing ;) CBS-News

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/17/iraq/main656284.shtml

"(AP) Congressional investigators say Saddam Hussein diverted money from the U.N. oil-for-food program to pay millions of dollars to families of Palestinian suicide bombers who carried out attacks on Israel. "



MarkThompson23 - perfect...
I get tired of that straw man as well. It's infantile as far as tactics go, and unfortunately for them one of their 'best.' Iraq is only one end of what is a very large cess pool that runs all the way south into Africa and east into Pakistan, Indonesia and the like. While in the end it doesn't matter where we start, Iraq made a good entry point for a number of strategic reasons. (Anyone who thinks we'll ever pull entirely out of there is nuts btw. If Vietnam had oil, we'd still be there too. And rightfully so in any realists book...)

The only mistake I see in the 'war on terror' is the preoccupation with the safety, comfort and security of civilian pops. and the desire to control large patches of ground. But mistake might be too harsh. It was worth a try to play nice at least. Apparently, not appreciated. So for future reference if we're going to get up the gumption and go to all that hassle to invade anyone: We need to go in, break everything to it's component parts and leave the body stacking to whoevers left (No pun intended) with clear instructions not to 'make us come back.' No boots on the ground till the B-52's, missle cruisers, and artillery are empty. (Ya'll want a war? Well we got a little something for ya...) And when this thing really gets serious, that's what we'll do. You can bank on it.

Phylo

Ha, ha, ha.... You know, when you aren't "cutting & pasting" your comments from other threads... and when you try a different approach, you ARE entertaining. I'll give you that.

You are wrong... live in some kind of alternative adolscent universe... but entertaining!

What if?
Just a thought experiment, so hear me out.

What if, just by chance the muselims are right and once the earth is no longer cursed with his presence he is rewarded in paradise with 72 virgins.

Our hero is going about his daily routine of setting up roadside bombs, just your typical 9 to 5, when Lance Corporal "Red" State, USMC sniper taps him with a 7.62NATO from about 600 meters whistling along at around 2700fps. Next thing he knows Ala Bhaba wakes up in the here after and.....72 Ann Coulter clones come walking out of the shadows. "We've been waiting to have a little talk with you, schmuck".

Can you define eternity? Oh, sweet justice.

Oh Phylo...
I forgot to mention that I left you a little message on Hugh Hewitt's column today. (About 10 AM)

Your comments are conspicuous in their absence on that thread!

- Primus

Ah Fizzy Phylo
I knew I could count on you!

Lets take out the rhetoric and talk the plan you pasted from your shadow President and your self.

Tripple intelligence assets without circumventing the law or the constitution. Done that. Intelligence budget has more than tripled. You can question some of the programs, but we have more men on the ground and more resources doing intelligence. So, you agree with President Bush.

Get those who were in charge of the 9/11 attack. Done that. More than three-quarters of al-Qaeda's known pre-9/11 leaders have been captured or killed. These include: Mohammed Atef, al-Qaeda's senior field commander, killed in a bombing raid in Afghanistan; Abu Zubaida, Atef's replacement as field commander, captured in Pakistan; Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, mastermind of the September 11 attacks, captured in Pakistan; Ramzi Binalshibh, a coordinator of the September 11 attacks, captured in Pakistan; Hambali, a top strategist for al-Qaeda's affiliated group, Jemaah Islamiah, captured in Thailand; and Hamzah al-Rabbiyah al-Masri, a key operational leader killed in Pakistan.

So, you agree with Bush.

Create a coalition, and then attack Iraq. But I thought Iraq had nothing to do with the war on terror? Well I guess it must if that is part of your plan. We went in with 30 countries, so we had a coalition. So, you agree with Bush.

Stay in Afghanistan and support the government against the Taliban. Still there. Major combat operations ongoing. So, you agree with Bush.

Phylo, you danged Bush appologist. I think you and Gore must be friends of Bush.


More response to fizzy pill
Gore said: "I do not believe that we should allow ourselves to be distracted from this urgent task simply because it is proving to be more difficult and lengthy than was predicted. Great nations persevere and then prevail." Stay the course. Great idea. Why doesn't Bush talk like that?

"I believe this proposed foreshortening of deliberation in the Congress robs the country of the time it needs for careful analysis of exactly what may lie before us." Ah now we have some meat! We need to discuss it longer! A year after 9-11 and we need more time to talk and think. And we gave it to him. 1 1/2 years to talk and think and worry is too short. I think the Gore plan is to wait till the Al Qaeda leaders and Sadaam Hussein are so old that they die of old age and we don't have to do anything.

Yes Pillow, I did read and weap. Tears of laughter.

Ann Coulter on O'Reilly
Ann, Next time you are on O'Reilly, Tell him to focus on the war against Islamofascist terrorism and stop wasting time and energy on cute dead girls that have been dead 10years or partied too hard in Aruba.

how can we be surprised
When one of the Democrats {pardone i forget which one} recently stated that he/she could come out and say anything bad about Iran because he/she hated Bush too much. What kind of insane bologna is that? They detest Bush so much they are willing to put our country and our very lives in danger. Thank you so much for your knowledgable articles and for being out there on the front lines telling the public the truth.

response to skier
I'm well aware of the fact that Saddam was giving money to the families of Palistinian suicide bombers.

My question to you is: WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH AL QUEDA? or are you saying we invaded and occupied Iraq to protect Israel?

Phylo out

response to Jeff
You have to do some pretty creative reading to believe that Gore was saying the same thing as Bush.

But anyway, I thought your point was that Gore would've been a disaster. Aren't you undermining your point by saying he would've done the same thing as your hero George Bush?

Whatever.

Phylo out.

Oh boy....
someone left the door on Anne's cage open again. What a genius. It must be very difficult winning arguments against strawmen of your own imagination. It is also pretty easy to win an argument when you put words in yuor opponents mouth. For example, Russ Fiengold never suggested that the preident be censured for listening in to the phone calls of Al-Qaida operatives. In fact he suggested the president be censured for breaking the law. An important distinction. You see, the president can wiretap anyone he wants by getting a warrant. There is even the super secret FISA court that will give him one up to three adys after the wiretap begins. So, why would the president break the law when he doesn't have to? I have no idea but a logical person might posit that perhaps the president is using the NSA to wiretap people that have nothing to do with the terrorism.

I will agree with Ann that the Democratic position on Iraq has been confusing at best and wrong-headed at worst. The position should be - The war in Iraq was a disaster, it has created terrorists in a country that previously had none, and it has placed our troops in harms way. They should pin the entire blame on the Bush Administration which has tried to link Iraq and 9/11 since just a few hours after the Trade Centers fell. Ann is still doing the Bush (9/11 = terror = Islam = Iraq) slight of hand here.

Democrats aren't opposed to fighting the war on terror (even though I am confused as to how you can fight a war against a form of combat). They just want to fight a war that makes sense. For example, finally catching Osama or myabe even attacking a country that really does harbor terrorists.

But then again, it's much easier for Ann to argue with the Liberal boogymen who live only in her imagination.


Fuzzy Pillow
My point was not that Gore would have been anything. Neither a disaster nor a hero. My question is what should have been done in the war on Terror. I read each and every word that was written and it came down to the concept that we should do everything that George Bush did, but we should wait longer to do it. But wait, George Bush didn't have a plan. No, wait. He had a plan but it was stupid. No, wait. He had a brilliant plan but it was to help us get oil. No, wait, it was the same as Gore's plan. Hee.

Look back at the speech YOU posted. I will quote the lines if you demand.

"“I believe we should focus our efforts first and foremost against those who attacked us on September 11th and who have thus far gotten away with it. The vast majority of those who sponsored, planned and implemented the cold-blooded murder of more than 3,000 Americans are still at large, still neither located nor apprehended, much less punished and neutralized." Check. Get the terrorists. Got 75%.

"perfectly capable of staying the course in our war against Osama Bin Laden and his terrorist network, while simultaneously taking those steps necessary to build an international coalition to join us in taking on Saddam Hussein in a timely fashion." Check did that. Continued against Al Qaeda, put together a coalition. Took on Saddam.

"President Bush is telling us that America's most urgent requirement of the moment - right now - is not to redouble our efforts against Al Qaeda, not to stabilize the nation of Afghanistan after driving its host government from power, even as Al Qaeda members slip back across the border to set up in Afghanistan again." Check. Still there. Still fighting. Afghanistan government sound. Still problems, but is that a surprise?

"I believe that we are perfectly capable of staying the course in our war against Osama Bin Laden and his terrorist network, while simultaneously taking those steps necessary to build an international coalition to join us in taking on Saddam Hussein in a timely fashion." Check. Stay the course on the war on Terror.

Tell me again, how a plain reading of the words YOU supplied somehow means something else?

Could we have new trolls?
The ones we have now are like parrots with very limited vocabulary. I mean really, who quotes media matters, Al Gore and Frankinberry all in one thread?


Phylo says: We are saying that Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorists who hit us on 9/11. And in case you didn't hear it the other day, Bush himself has said that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11.


Sorry Phylo but the US JUSTICE SYSTEM disagrees with you:


"U.S. District Judge Harold Baer ordered that the damages be paid by bin Laden, al-Qaida, the Taliban, Saddam and the former Iraqi government.

James E. Beasley, a Philadelphia lawyer who brought the case, hopes to collect the money from frozen Iraqi, bin Laden and al-Qaida assets.

Beasley called Baer's finding "a significant victory" because it represented the first time a judge linked al-Qaida and Iraq in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

In his ruling, Baer concluded that lawyers for the two victims "have shown that Iraq provided material support to bin Laden and al-Qaida" and collaborated in or supported al-Qaida's Sept. 11 attacks."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/08/uttm/main552868.shtml