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Wednesday, December 06, 2006
John Shadegg :: Townhall.com Columnist
We can run but we can't hide
by John Shadegg
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"We assess that…perceived jihadist success [in Iraq] would inspire more fighters to continue the struggle elsewhere.

Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves, and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry on the fight."

National Intelligence Estimate
Trends in Global Terrorism:
Implications for the United States
April 2006

In the next few months, perhaps in the next few weeks, we, as a nation, must make a decision. A decision that will affect not only our lives but those of our children and grandchildren.

The American people understand that this is a dangerous world. They know we must be prepared to defend ourselves at all times. They will support a war to protect our national security and defend our way of life. They will not – and should not – support an indecisive or failing entanglement in which our bravest and most patriotic young men and women are placed in jeopardy, injured, or killed with no clear goal or positive outcome realistically in sight.

Following Vietnam, the American people believe in the Powell Doctrine: If you have to go to war, go with overwhelming, decisive, crushing force, win and win quickly and get out.

Following 9/11, we all understand that radical Islamic terrorists want to kill us. They have tried before and they will try again. No thoughtful American suggests we can shrink from the war on terror. Yet, we are frustrated to the point of hopelessness with the lack of progress in Iraq. Senseless killing. No end in sight. And concern that even “winning” – and many aren’t sure what winning in Iraq means – would be of significant value. As a result, we are tempted to believe the fight doesn’t matter. Some would like to believe we can abandon Iraq without damage or consequence and without emboldening our enemies or further endangering the world.

Unfortunately, it isn’t that easy. With no clear path forward, we stand poised hoping against hope that the Baker-Hamilton Commission will find a silver bullet, a magic way out of Iraq easier and quicker than stabilizing the country enough that the democratically elected government survives.

The alternative, however, is clear. If we don’t do what is necessary to secure Iraq and instead, we simply figure out how to manage our withdrawal and spin our defeat, we will “inspire more fighters to continue the struggle elsewhere.” And elsewhere includes here at home.

Whether we should have invaded Iraq is no longer the issue. We won the military conflict that raged for the first 21 days, but it is difficult to persuasively argue that we are winning the battle now. Circumstances on the ground have changed. My first visit to Iraq, in August 2003, was the safest. But, it was clear, even then, that we had not secured the peace. On each of my subsequent visits in 2005 and 2006, I have witnessed greater instability. You cannot hope to win the hearts and minds of people who can’t even go about their daily lives. We continue to fail to adapt to the reality of the circumstances – a determined insurgency ruthlessly dedicated to our failure at whatever cost and regardless of how many Iraqis must die to ensure our failure. This struggle is truly less about them “winning” than about the U.S. losing.

Some would contend that it is already too late. Leaders as respected as Henry Kissinger have declared that we cannot now win in Iraq. But - if they’re right, it is vitally important that we understand the consequences and prepare now to deal with them.

In at least one critically important way Iraq is not Vietnam. No Viet Cong or North Vietnamese leader declared war on the United States. No one asserted that that war was one step in a global effort to destroy the United States and drive it from the face of the Earth. Our defeat did not inspire and strengthen a worldwide movement to attack the U.S. And, Vietnam did not provide a base of operation and a stream of income to fanatics seeking weapons for our destruction.

And make no mistake, if we fail in Iraq, if we leave there defeated, this struggle will not end. Don’t take my word for it. Simply take the statements of the terrorist leaders at face value:

“The most serious issue today for the whole world is this third world war that is raging in Iraq…The whole world is watching this war…It is either victory and glory or misery and humiliation.”

Osama bin Laden, December 2004

“It is a Jihad for the sake of God and will last until (our) religion prevails…The entire world is an open battlefield for us. We will attack everywhere until Islam reigns…”

Ayman al-Zawahiri, July 2006

The Democrats will soon assume the reins of power on both sides of the United States Capitol. Consequently, they will be held accountable for this decision along with the President. This monumental decision will be made on their watch and so will the consequences. It would be a serious mistake to interpret the election of 2006 as an expression by the voters that they want out of Iraq -- regardless of the consequences. Voters were expressing their disapproval of the current deteriorating and demoralizing mishandling of the war.

If congressional Democrats misread the election, all Americans will pay a serious price in terms of national security. And - there will be a political price for Democrats in 2008. My Arizona colleague, John McCain - the leading candidate for the Republican nomination for President and arguably the most respected voice in America on national defense, among both Democrats and Republicans - has already put them on notice. At no small risk to his presidential ambitions, he has laid all his chips on the table, declaring unequivocally once again that there is far more at stake in Iraq than there ever was in Vietnam (and he is uniquely qualified to know) and that our only option is to commit the force necessary to ensure victory and stability. McCain said last Sunday that “without additional troops to ensure victory in Iraq, the U.S. could find itself more vulnerable to terrorist attacks at home… I believe the consequences of failure are catastrophic… Because it’s not the end when American troops leave. The battleground shifts, and we’ll be fighting them again… you read Zarqawi, and you read bin Laden… it’s not just Iraq that they’re interested in. It’s the region and then us.”

Beyond bin Laden, al-Zawahiri, and al-Qaeda, the weakness we have shown in failing to secure Iraq has emboldened fanatical organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah along with our other enemies around the globe, including Iran and North Korea. If we show more weakness, if we prove once again that America is an unreliable ally, we will pay a price in lives lost and money spent far higher than the cost of increasing our current forces in Iraq and winning the battle.

First Lt. Pete Hegseth, who had just returned from serving a one-year tour in Baghdad and Samarra with the Army 101st Airborne Division, wrote in October on these pages that “we simply do not have enough troops in Iraq, and we need them now.” He said “we did not have enough troops… to fully secure a city of 120,000 people or maintain the rule of law” and “because of a lack of troops, American military leaders are forced to make a choice between mission objectives and self-preservation. Many of our leaders are opting to guard supply routes and coagulate on sprawling military bases, rather than consistently moving into dangerous areas and fighting the insurgency.”

To those who argue that more troops would only further inflame anti-American sentiment and incite more violence, Lt. Hegseth noted that his actual, on the ground “experience suggests otherwise. American troops are tolerated, even welcomed when they effectively provide security; but their presence is cursed when it does not accompany progress. Violence persists not because American troops are present, but because our presence is futile.”

Henry Kissinger may have given up on Iraq, and the Baker-Hamilton Commission may do so, but Lt. Hegseth has not. And, before we decide which of them to follow, we need to consider the consequences of the decision we make.

The Baker-Hamilton Commission will not offer an easy way to success and victory. There isn’t one. Withdrawing may temporarily appear to resolve our dilemma but our enemies aren’t going away.

If, as it now appears, we lack the strength or the will to defeat our enemies in Iraq, we need to start thinking about where we can find both the forces and, even more importantly, the will to deal with them, because some day soon we will have to. We can run, but as Neville Chamberlain ultimately learned before World War II decimated Europe, we cannot hide.

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David Mac
It was not Lee's mistake but Jim Longstreet's foot dragging that lost Gettysburg. Longstreet was supposed to take care of the flank but he had no appetite for the battle.

"Winning" is impossible
The "Fourth Estate" is actually our Fifth Column.
It was Walter Cronkite and the rest of the liberal MSM which handed the North VietNamese their victory.
This was admitted by North VietNamese General Giap.
But the MSM and the likes of traitor Cronkite will never admit their responsibility for the deaths of FIVE MILLION people at the hands of the Maoists.
The next great disaster and killing will be here in the United States when the Muslims set off a nuclear blast in some American city.
Yet all you will hear is more "Bush Lied" and "why didn't we talk more?" from the Democrats/MSM and others of a liberal stripe.

He comes so close
and yet - no cigar.

When will those in positions of real influence begin to call it what it really is?

It isn't a battle with some "jihadists"; some ne'er-do-wells over there somewhere who just can't seem to fit in.

Islam is feeling its oats and is on the move, and it isn't going to stop.

Shadegg correct, as usual
It should be obvious to most that if we cut and runs or announce a scheduled withdrawal we are in for some real hell here at home and no American traveler will be safe anywhere in the world.

But, how can we possible step up our effort or committ more troops when the dems arepledged to cut the defense budget?

My Opine
With the Dems in charge in DC, and the demographics of the other three areas being out of control Lefty, maybe that's a good thing. Kind of weed them all out with one fell swoop.

Shadagg tells it like it is!
It is only a matter of how big, where & when.
I think we should start a pool;
NYC? San Francisco? Los Angeles? Washington D.C.?
If Iran gives them something to make a "Dirty Bomb" they will try for one of these four cities.

But then, judging from 9/11 a pool is not such a good idea after all because they might take out all four cities at once.

Gunter
You are correct, but you have the wrong target. The real enemy in Iraq is Iran. How do you think the a-holes over there get their explosives and ammunition? It is from Iran. Turn Iran into glowing glass. That will get everybody's attention.

McCain
More boots on the ground? YES! Bring back the draft? NO! Trust McCain? NEVER! Pull out our troops from non hot spots to fight this war.


Doc
This can also be examined by reviewing the decline of the Roman Empire.

At one point it was an HONOR to serve in the Legions. Later on, it was for fools who often paid "barbarians" to take their place. We know the end result.

Look at America and Hanoi John's "joke" about Irakk. If you serve, you're a loser. If America stand up for itself, we're racist, fascist, imperialist, etc, etc.

In another 20 years or so, as the weak-willed American youth takes charge, it'll accelerate since American Idol is WAYYYYYYYY more important than National Security issues.

Next administration
Yes, Sean for President! An unscientific poll on Fox showed him winning by a landslide against Franken and taking over some dem states!

Michelle Malkin for VP.

Laura Ingraham for Secretary of Defense.

Michael Steele for Secretary of State.

Let's have some fun making up the next adminstration (it would be even better if we could make it come true) - so let's have some ideas!





Hate to Admit it, but.......
It seems the only way we'll ever be able to see stabilization in Iraq is to bomb that area as flat as a pool table. It's either us or them! I know it sounds barbaric and much too over simplistic. but unless we're willing to commit to a war lasting a generation or more and with thousands upon thousands of American lives lost, then it's time to cinch up the belt and unleash
Armageddon. After that action, I sure as hell bet we'll get Iran and Syria's attention.

America is now viewed as a paper tiger, and unless this world viewpoint is changed quickly, we are headed for 2nd class status, to be taken advantage of by every world power wantabe.
It would also be nice if some of our own doltish citizens [this includes our law makers) get their heads out of their a** for once.

Feel free to criticize my comments, if you will, but I haven't seen anyone come up with a better idea yet. Have you?

Doc, I agree
with Prof. Olson's analysis.

I don't think that it's written in stone or that we can't turn it around. In the US, we have a level of freedom and populist control of our government that was never available in previous civilizations.

With the advent of the Internet and blogs, the people have a view of public and private organizations that hopefully prevent any adverse chicanery.

No politician or an agenda-driven media type like Dan Rather can operate without public scrutiny.

Just maybe, we have broken the mold Prof. Olson has described.

Where we stand

David is right on, it was NEVER about WMDs but abut the probability of the USE of them that convinced us to go into Iraq. Good post.

If we in the USA surrender to the enemy we will be capitulating to our ideals. I believe we are at a 6.7 value in the listing scale shown below:

"The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage,
3. From courage to liberty,
4. From liberty to abundance,
5. From abundance to complacency,
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence,
8. From dependence back into bondage.
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, MN, points out some interesting facts concerning the Year 2000 Presidential election:

Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million;
Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000
States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2 Bush: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off government welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some 40 percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

Ed

Stop the Phony War
As far as I'm concerned, what has been done in Iraq so far is the modern equivalent of the so-called "Phoney War" of 1939-1940. The administration tried to wage a long-term pacification campaign "on the cheap" with inadequate forces, naive political assumptions and a real lack of a killer instinct.

How to win in Iraq - and silence the Jihadists at the same time?

1. Eliminate that fat little cleric, Moqtada al-Sadr. for someone who doesn't even have first-line Muslim clerical credentials, the arrogant punk exerts way too much influence. If we lack the wherewithal to take him out, sub-contract the job to the Israeli Mossad.

2. Eliminate the Mahdi Army. Yup, that means some hard, dirty fighting - the kind that should have been done back in '03 and '04. These are the principal troublemakers - and Iran's proxies in Iraq.

3. Increase the size of the U.S. Army. Right now, it is a minimum of four divisions too small. Forget all of this high-tech Buck Rogers crap that the contractors are developing for the "next generation" - what we need is a military that fights the war as it is now - and the current conflict is a dirty, conventional infantryman's war that needs intelligence support.

4. Bring back the draft. The volunteer military is finally being revealed for what it always has been - the response of gutless politicians to suburbia's complaints that Buffy and Jason would have to live and eat with blacks and hispanics. No exemptions - period. Rangel is correct in his observation that this would produce a much more realistic foreign policy .

5. Quit coddling the Muslims. Islam is NOT a religion of peace - historically, it never has been - it is a religion of conquest which tolerates the unbeliever (the "dhimmi") but consigns the unbeliever to second-class status. Execute some of the caught terrorists - damn the Europeans with their aversion to capital punishment - and do it the same way Putin had his Muslim terrorists buried after the theatre assault - clothe each in a pig skin before execution - damn their soul for eternity - use their religion against them.

If you want victory, you can't have political correctness and multicultural sensitivity. Either we fight to win or let's raise the white flag right now and ask how big a tax we dhimmis must pay.

Chiret
posted that, "one of President Bush's major errors was to disregard the Powell Doctrine."

The so-called "Powell Doctrine" isn't new. In 1862, Gen. McClellan (US Army of the Potomac) had the same doctrine: wait until all the troops were in place and so numerically superior to the enemy that defeat was impossible.

The McClellan Doctrine failed, most notably during the Peninsula Campaign when the CSA Army of Virginia attacked before McClellan was ready.
Also, the McClellan Doctrine failed at Antietam (Sharpsburg) when McClellan failed to coordinate his attacks on Lee's flanks.

Simply using overwhelming force alone never worked against Gen. Lee's forces. He maneuvered his smaller army and hit the union forces on their flanks.

Lee was eventually defeated because of the staying power and industrial might of the federal forces. (an aside: Lee committed the same tactical error at Gettysburg that McClellan committed at Antietam.)

Our campaign in Iraq is not singular. It's part and parcel of the War Against Islamofascism. Even if we followed the McClellan Doctrine, the USA is not united in its quest for victory.

Too many "Americans" (Murtha et al) want our defeat. They want it for their own political gain. Eventually, that recalcitrance will defeat America.


Jack H states some . . .
excellent and logical reasons for continuing the fight: "Islamists attacked the Towers two times, and learned from their mistakes, why would they not be emboldened, seeing the cowardice and venality of Europe, and the irresolution of America?" and,

"if you leave a blood-enemy free, he will find a way to kill you."

This war isn't rocket science, folks. It's called "war" because it involves killing a lot of people. Killing lots of people may offend the sensibilities of the American left (pampered little twerps that they are), but the bottom line is: IT WORKS.

Ask the residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki if they still wanted to mess with the USA in early August 1945. Ask the Germans in Berlin in April 1945 if they still wanted to fight the USA.

I've been in both Germany and Japan (in the 1960's). In both countries I was treated well. There was no animosity towards me as an American.

The American left and the Socialist-Democrats insist on perpetuating the myth that if America acts as a super-power, the world will hate us. Well, maybe, but it's a whole lot better than having them kill us.

Sorry Lydia
but that is not the way it will be allowed to go down. The MSM will see to it that anything that goes right from now on will be credited to the ISG report recommendations and the new Dem majority. Anything, and I mean anything, for the next decade or more, that goes wrong connected to the Middle East will be labeled by the MSM as George Bush's fault due to his provoking the terrorists, inflaming the region, incompetent misguided war in Iraq, cowboy mentality, pick your poison.

If you doubt this, look at the reporting prior to the election of last month.

Jack H - well said. The repubs argued about intervention in Bosnia ca. 1996, but when the vote was cast, politics ended at the water's edge. I recall Bob Dole saying something along the lines of "I said my peace before the vote; now that the decision is made, my job is to support the Commander in Chief." Ditto Reagan's refusal to badmouth Carter during the hostage crisis, even in debates.


The Real Problem
Is that not all Americans understand the need for our military activities around the world. That's why the Republicans got booted. No recent attacks by the terrorists, so the terrorists must not be a threat any longer, or so their thinking goes. And the other train of thought: "If we just leave them alone, they won't be any more trouble to us".

Powell Doctrine
Having served 30 years in the military, I tend to agree with the idea that one of President Bush's major errors was to disregard the Powell Doctrine. Actually, what Powell said was originally expressed more succinctly by William
Shakespeare, "Beware of entrance to a quarrel but, being in, bear't that the opposed may beware of thee." Applies to both Viet Nam and Iraq, come to think of it.

Jack H
I agree with your assessment, grim though it is. I would add that part of the problem here is that the leader who took us into this war was not Bill Clinton. If Clinton had taken us into war, the republicans would have shut up and supported his policy, with the MSM following closely behind. Let's examine how the decisions Clinton made regarding the Balkans were received by the opposition party. They were not good decisions, but by and large Americans supported them without complaint. I like to think the right understands that our enemies do read and listen to our news to see how the country thinks about the military conflicts and that a public face should reflect resolve to win until the conflict is over. Unfortunately, I suspect the "No WMD" nyah nyah crowd would be conspicuously silent if the president had a "D" after his name.

The Only Good Thing About Prez McCain
Is that we'd finally have some crazy guy's finger on the nuclear button, and I for one am tired of the things rotting in the basement.

It never was about
WMD. It was always about the enemy who would use WMD if he had them, and use something else if he didn’t. We recognize the argument of the cut and run appeasers as a typically Liberal one. Gun control. There are no bad people, only bad weapons. Or something – I’ve never quite followed their reasoning. But whether or not Osama, say, is bad, he is bad for us. And he will use whatever weapon he may. That's very logical of him: he has declared us to be virmine, fit only to be exterminated.

My logic is that if you get into a fight, you have to win it. I don’t mean some ridiculous ego-driven shoving match. I mean something that’s real and serious, where the lives of your sons are at stake. Do not engage, unless you’re there to win. The holiday from history that we luxuriated in during the clinton years was just an extended Act break in the drama that Bush I co-authored – an over-long intermission in a distant theatre of war. It was an oddly attenuated Phony War, where we let the monster gambol across his northern hills, lopping Kurdish heads as a child cuts down dandelions. For shame.

So the Iraq War was just unfinished business. WMD had nothing, nothing to do with the necessity of finishing it. Terrorism was far more relevant, but even that wasn’t quite it. Vietnam was more relevant still, with its illegitimate children of Lebanon and Sudan – where we cut and ran. But even this, for all its bad example and invitation to contempt, isn’t the real reason. The real reason is that if you leave a blood-enemy free, he will find a way to kill you. Or rather, kill your children.

We own guns, if we do, for a reason. Self-defense. We use them against people only to preserve our lives and what is ours. But if we have no guns, we will use whatever comes to our hands, to protect ourselves. Knives and stones and sticks. The world is the horror that it is not because of weapons, but people. Hussein, and Osama, are just such horrifying persons, and to imagine that they would not use their wealth for violence, as they used it for bribes, is irresponsible.

The Islamists attacked the Towers two times, and learned from their mistakes, why would they not be emboldened, seeing the cowardice and venality of Europe, and the irresolution of America?

But perhaps you disagree. Perhaps you’ve never had an enemy. Maybe you’ve never been assaulted. Your life might have been particularly blessed. Odd, how our life experiences can lead us in just different directions. Because I look at the violence of the world, and believe evil people are the cause. Others may think we have called this on ourselves, somehow, like the scantily dressed woman who is raped. I believe this is a view that lacks congruence with reality. I fear that the only corrective to this failure of insight is that some saddam or osama comes up behind you and stabs you in the back, or hits you on top of your head with a big stone.

Hard lesson. Let’s resolve to learn from past mistakes, rather than only from future ones.

J
http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com/



McCain is on Shadegg's blind side
McCain is playing a deep and dirty game with us and we should not trust him. Shadegg is a man of almost heroic qualities but he is too close to his fellow Arizonan to be objective and we should not trust Shadegg on in regard to anything he says about McCain.

Who kisses up to the Main Stream media more and better than any other Republican? Is your answer McCain? Remember the McCain-Feingold attack on freedom of expression. That law prevents ordinary people (through political donations) from attacking INCUMBENT RECORDS within 60 days of election. But the MSM including the Treasonous Times can attack incumbents any old time they want. So which incumbents are wide open to attack within the important 60 days before election? The MSM is going to attack conservative Republicans almost exclusively. And we cannot attack back. McCain's law is anti-conservative, pro MSM and totally unconstitutional.

Who blocked the President and conservatives at every turn? On interrogation techniques, on financial investigation of terrorists, on phone calls from terrorists McCain keeps popping up like an unwanted corpse in a Peter Sellers comedy. And now here he is like little Jack Horner sticking in his thumb in and pulling out a plum. My what a good boy says the MSM. He is alone in asking for more troops. Does anyone think he is going to get enough now to "WIN". Does anyone think he is going to follow through on this if he is President? By that time it will be a non-issue. Taking this stand is pure political positioning.

Remember McCain for what he is. He is the man who joined with Kennedy in their first attempt to destroy our citizenship with amnesty and 100 million new "LEGAL IMMIGRANTS". Does anyone doubt that 100 million new ones will destroy America as we know it. When they put this through, and they will try again soon, our American dream is over. And the democrats can not do this without the help of McCain and his merry band.

What we truly need now is an political man who shares our ideology and has no baggage. We need to support this kind of man for President. Does Sean Hannity resonate with anyone in this regard? I suggest Sean because we all love him and trust him. I he does not stay true to our creed who will. He is ours. And maybe more importantly we are his. If he runs conservatives will support Sean and Sean alone. We will have few disagreements among ourselves as we sally forward. Sean will win the primaries handily with no blood letting. He will not be weakened. I suggest Newt for VP. Newt has an insiders knowledge and political skills to out Dick Morris, Morris, and out Cheney, Vice President Cheney. Newt's rubber meets the road political savvy would complement any deficit Sean might have. SEAN HANNITY FOR PRESIDENT!

me first?
I agree with this. We can run but we can't hide. Anyone who thinks that the long-range plan of the Islamofascists is not world domination and that they are not prepared to wage war for generations and do not care how many people they kill (as long as it is in the name of allah) is invited to go to the site http://www.memri.org.

Do we have the will to fight them?

This is also the assessment
of the Stryker brigade that returned to town last week. I've had time to talk with several of the soldiers and they are echoing what soldiers who returned last year were saying. We don't have enough troops on the ground. The Iraqi people by and large support our efforts. They want the terrorists (and they use that word, not insurgents) removed from their country. They may not wholly agree with Americans, but they recognize we are their ticket to a stable country. But, they want us to stop playing around and actually force the terrorists out. They fear we will leave before we've done the job and they'll end up with something akin to the Taliban.

Many of the soldiers I know will be going back, most of them voluntarily, although force-stop has made it difficult to say "no." However, they don't think we'll accomplish anything if we don't get busy.

One of the officers told me that he would like to see us send everybody -- all soldiers into Iraq. He even suggested shore basing of Naval personnel. And, nobody goes home until the job is done. He acknowledged that this would be very difficult to do because the stateside media will not report the very real progress that we've made in Iraq, but if President Bush simply made it an order, the military would have no choice and once we started winning, the media would find it difficult not to report it.

He was reluctantly advocating the draft as well, to fill support positions that would have to be stripped to put more ground soldiers in Iraq.

It's something we need to be considering. Do we want to win or do we want to lose? History shows us how to do either, so which will we do?
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