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Wednesday, January 10, 2007
Gregory Koukl :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Confusing Moral Logic of ESCR
by Gregory Koukl
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The embryonic stem cell research debate is remarkable because neither side—pro-life nor pro-abortion—seems to fully understand the moral logic of its views.

Presumably, people who are pro-life hold their views for a reason and are not just emoting or idealogues. The same could be said of pro-choicers. I’ve long suspected that’s not always the case, though. The recent debate about embryonic stem cell research (ESCR) confirms my doubts.

ESCR is an amazing effort on the leading edge of medical science that some suggest offers promise of effective treatment for Alzheimer’s, diabetes, Parkinson’s, and a host of other tragic and debilitating diseases. Human embryos in the first two weeks of gestation are comprised entirely of unique stem cells that have the remarkable ability of transforming into a wide variety of spare cellular parts.

There’s a limited supply of these embryos currently available that are destined for the trash can: the frozen remnants of over-ambitious in vitro fertilization (IVF) attempts. Though ESCR destroys these living human zygotes, in the minds of many this research is ethically permissible. “The embryos are going to die anyway. Why not make good use of them?”

Two questions in this debate need to be carefully considered and not dismissed with name calling, histrionics, or political posturing. First, is it reasonable to expect that the scientific community can fulfill its buoyant (and as yet thoroughly unsubstantiated) claims of future medical miracles from embryonic cells? Second, even if ESCR proponents’ wildest dreams were realized, is research on human embryos right?

I’m concerned here with the second question. Is it justified to take the life of some human beings to bring benefit to others?

Moral Logic:

The ESCR debate of the moral question is remarkable to me for two reasons. First, how could those who are pro-abortion feel the need to defend the act of cutting up a human embryo to farm it for its cells? Second, how could those who are pro-life countenance the thought? The answer to both is the same: To a large degree, neither side seems to understand the moral logic of its views.

An action is unethical when it violates a moral rule. Car theft is wrong because it violates a larger principle: It’s wrong to steal another’s property. That same rule has other applications, however. The moral principle covering car theft equally covers plagiarism. If someone objects to car theft, but condones her own theft of another’s ideas, it’s fair to question her commitment to the broader principle: Stealing is wrong. It begins to look like emotions and personal preferences are driving her choices, not moral thinking.

The moral logic pertaining to any pre-born human life can be stated simply. It’s wrong to kill innocent human beings. Both abortion and ESCR kill innocent human beings. Therefore, both abortion and ESCR are wrong. Pro-lifers, presumably, affirm this moral equation. Pro-choicers, by and large, deny it because of the second premise. To them, no bona fide human being is sacrificed, just a “blob of cells.” (That everyone is just a blob of cells seems to have escaped their notice).

Only One Question:

Only one question needs to be answered to resolve what many think is a complex moral problem. That question is, “What is it?” Both abortion and ESCR kill something that is alive. In fact, both destroy the same thing at different stages of development. Whether it’s right or not to take that life depends entirely on what it is we’re killing.

Let me put it as clearly as I know how. If the zygote or embryo or fetus is not a human being, then no justification for either abortion or ESCR is necessary. Use it or abuse it as you please. However, if the unborn is a human being, no justification for taking her life is adequate.

Here’s why. We do not justify harming any other human beings for the reasons people routinely give for abortion. And we don’t carve up innocent human beings on the hope that it might benefit someone else who is sick.

The pro-life view stands or falls on this moral equation. So does the pro-choice view, it seems to me, which makes the conduct of many on both sides confusing.

If abortion itself is morally acceptable—if it’s legitimate to destroy fully-formed human children right up to the point of birth (and even during delivery, in the case of partial-birth abortion)—why would anyone flinch at the idea of carving up a week-old embryo? Why the compulsion to defend destroying a lump of cells the size of a pinhead for medical benefit when it’s completely legal and acceptable to destroy a fully-formed human fetus for any reason what so ever?

Equally incomprehensible to me, a stunning number of pro-lifers have rallied in support of ESCR for the very same reasons pro-choicers classically have justified abortion: It doesn’t look human; it’s in the wrong location (a petri dish, not a uterus); it’s too small to be of moral consequence; it’s alive, but not a life; it’s human, but not a human being; it’s a human being, but not a person; others will gain tremendous benefit.

When pro-lifers embrace a pro-choice rationale in support of ESCR, they undermine their entire moral enterprise.

To be continued….

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Hypocrisy = Republican Reality, Modernon

We never make it to discussions of fertility therapy and designer children because we bump into far too much other B.S. on the way there.

Fertility therapy
I do not understand how you can have this discussion without discussing the banning of fertility therapy. We are at the point where a person with the resources can have the genes of a number of candidate embryos sequenced to be able to choose the characteristics they want in their child. You can "make up a batch" test them and discard them all if they don't meet your criteria and "make up another batch."

I can only assume from the lack of discussion that it is ok for a couple to do this for their family because that is somehow ok but it is not good for us to use the product of this activity for research.

I know, you want to argue if the government has the authority to do this but think about it. If its murder its murder whether done in the name of science or personal interest. If its murder then ban it. Picking and choosing is not allowed.

The hypocrisy in the argument is what prevents resolution. This column goes not go far enough in highlighting the dilemmas.

Lydia Is Standing Idly By
"You have just obliterated the distinction between natural death and murder."

So Lydia, you see the death of this Human Embryo, and it's ignomimious burial in the watse and/or sewage systems, as a 'Natural Act', and therefore feel no compassion?? How can this be??
It IS a FULLY REALIZED HUMAN BEING we're talking about here, because life begins at conception, right?? And you're not going to try and save this person (and all the other millions like them suffering the same fate)??

Hurricane Katrina was also a natural act, was it not?? Should we have stood idly by THEN, too?? (Ahh, now I understand the Bush Administration's response...)

The Past and What We Learn From It
mjo525 writes about the "moral" dilemma of the hypothermia experiments the Nazis did in WWII.

Can you undo what is past? Not to have used the data gathered, even immorally, from the Nazi experiments would have dishonored the murdered and tortured lives of those they killed in the name of medical advancement -- to use to preserve and empower soldiers employed in killing anyone who stood in their way, for an immoral madman and an ideology.

Those victims had already been sacrificed. The murders were already accomplished. The experiments were never repeated to confirm the Nazis' data. The scientific method says they should have been if all that was at stake was gathering data for knowledge -- even to save other lives. It would have been immoral to have repeated those experiments because other lives would have been sacrificed -- in the name of saving still other lives.

The moral decision was to accept the data available, without confirming it experimentally, except as hypothermia victims were either helped or not by using the Nazi data. Sometimes the data were not necessarily right. And much research on hypothermia has been done since then, WITHOUT resorting to human experimentation. It is also due to these that many lives have been saved from death by hypothermia, not just due to the Nazi experiments.

The frozen embryos left over from in vitro fertilizaton (EXPERIMENTS!) deserve to be either implanted in some desirous women's wombs and allowed to fulfill the potential of their human development, or allowed to die naturally (!) and given respectful burials.

No one stands to gain anything, morally or scientifically, from killing them by experimenting on them. The fact is in over 20 years of embryonic stem cell research not a single good outcome has resulted, not even a promise of potential. Instead, the experiments have produced death through accelerated aging and tumors. Without a single exception.

On the other hand, as aurorawatcher points out, funding this specious ESCR "research" takes away funding for adult and umbilical cord research that has consistently produced positive results, and holds the actual promise for even more. And there are no rejection issues if one's own stem cells are used.

Epithelial cells are not the same as stem cells; scratching oneself sheds dead cells (that's one of the points of the scratching impulse, to stimulate you to help shed dead cells); you don't kill a human embryo, or even a potential one. It takes lots of specialized manipulation to turn even stem cells into other types of cells -- and they gotta be alive to begin with. The argument that "life" is being destroyed just by scratching is really beneath consideration.

The issue isn't arbitrary, nebulous "life," but is it the life OF a HUMAN BEING?

Have any of you ever considered this little nugget: in animal husbandry, there is never a question of whether an embryo will turn out to be something other than its mom and dad species.

Cattle, sheep, goats, horses, pigs, dogs, cats, all are insured in breeding -- the sperm, if it's gotten by artificial means, which is more and more the norm for specialized breeding -- the female chosen to carry the embryo, and the fertilized egg and embryo itself. All of them are valuable, and all are insured based on their value AS: cattle, sheep, goats, horses, pigs, dogs, cats.

No breeder entertains for a split second that the insured embryo is anything other than the species being bred: it IS a bovine, a sheep, a goat, a horse, a pig, a dog, a cat. No one in their wildest dreams thinks the embryos are going to develop into frogs, gorillas, amoebas, eagles, or human beings. Otherwise they couldn't breed the animals, and they surely wouldn't insure the materials and product of the breeding!

A HUMAN embryo is a human being in its first stage of development. It will NEVER be a cow, a sheep, a frog, a dog, a chimpanzee, an amoeba, or anything else but a HUMAN BEING. It is not a "potential" human being; there is NO POTENTIAL for it to be anything else, EVER.

If we had to insure human breedings, this whole farce would be moot and just go away.

So. Slicing and dicing a human embryo is killing a human being, nothing else.

It's strictly a case of bigger, more powerful human beings exercising lethal force against a smaller, younger, weaker human being. Isn't that what we call bullying? Murder? Despotism? Sociopathy?

mjo - excellent post!
Abortion & embrionic stem cell reserach today is no different that the horrendous experiements done in the concentration camps under the Nazis. Absolutely NO difference.

The cheapening of human life is the scourge of this nation. Murders, rapes, child abuse....have increased dramatically since abortion was made legal. You cannot dipute those facts no matter what you believe about this subject.

Abortion made human life expendable. If we continue this path, it won't be long before we start "putting down" the mentally disabled, the elderly and others who put a "strain" on society. Same as Hitlers directive in the 1940's. All in the name of choice.

Cheapening our understanding of life
Life should be valued by everybody, but it's not. We have whittled away at the value and definition of life until people really aren't sure what is a valuable life and what is not. If it's okay to kill an embryo for research purposes, maybe it's okay to kill a five-year-old for the same reasons. Maybe we really don't need so many brown-haired, brown-eyed people so it would be okay to eliminate a few after they've been born.

These are signs of the cheapening of life. Those of us who protest against abortion and ESCR recognize that this is only the first few steps toward genocide in the name of research. Some people want to poo-poo that idea, but if you take as a fact that humankind really isn't sweetness and light and that we will fall to our lowest level of depravity if given the chance, then it a terribly believable scenario. And, it's not as though history doesn't already give us examples of people who would be more than willing to take this thing to the next level using the exact some logic -- it's not a valuable life -- as some people use today about embryos and pre-born babies.

The real crux to the matter is -- Where does it end? If we can continue to redefine and devalue life, at what point will people say we've reached a limit, everything else is valuable and not up for destruction? I think those of us who recognize that human beings are inherently selfish recognize that no life is valuable except that of the one making the judgment. Today embryos aren't save. Tomorrow, none of us is safe.

There's one difference
between embryos and people, and embryos and fetuses. A baby, or a fetus in the womb, will grow up and have a life, even if it's not the best. Same with an embryo that has been chosen for implantation by parents. An embryo that hasn't been chosen (the kind that is used in research), on the other hand, will spend its entire existence frozen in ice before it's thrown away. It also has no brain, no nerves, no senses, no consciousness, and it never will. What sort of life are you denying to it by using it in research? And if it can't feel pain, how is it making the embryo suffer?

If one cell is human
I scratch cells off myself when I itch. I am hardly a murderer. Heck, when you itch, you scratch, too. In fact, putting clothes on causes you to shed cells. As for genetic uniqueness, cancer cells are genetically distinct from host cells, and not a one of you would have a single qualm about removing them.

The value of zygotes is in their creation through a sexual reproductive process, with all the social values involved in reproduction.

What sinks the GOP
What sinks the GOP is the ever present desire to use government to enforce personal moral values. The Muslims take this kind of thing to the extreme when they whip a woman because she showed too much hair or skin.

If you're against stem cell use, then by all means, don't submit therapy using them. At least you'll die with a clear conscience.


Straw men and conundrums

....the arguement that ESCR is OK because the embrios are going to die anyway could be extended to ...it is ok to kill anybody because we are all going to die anyway ...

.....if the government passed a law that it was illegal to kill embrios (even those extras produced for in-vitro) ...then abortion would become illegal and that is the crux of the Left's fanatical desire to get the government to sanction ESCR ...

.....it is all about protecting the "right" of a woman to get an abortion ie. "kill her embrio" ...the Librals know that if they can get the Federal Government on board with ESCR then then the government would have no legal basis to prohibit abortion ...

.....ESCR and abortion are synonymous in the mind of Liberals ...once seen in this light it all makes sense no matter how much the issue is clouded by altruistic nonsence ...it is all about abortion .....COLOSSUS

Embryonic v. therapeutic cloning
Sekhmet writes: "What's so special about a fertilized ovum that is not special about an epithelial cell? After all, if a cell of mine were cloned into another me, this is a completely different person---a twin, if you will."

Cloning your twin does not involve an "epithelial cell." It uses an EMBRYO! The only difference between embryonic cloning and so-called "therapeutic" cloning is that the former is implanted into the womb of a woman after 5-7 days in a petri dish and may or may not survive in the womb to be born, while the latter embryo is violated (killed) by removing that group of cells called the "inner cell mass" and they are plated out to get a stem cell line. That is what would be injected into you. So, in both cases, YOU HAVE KILLED AN EMBRYO.

The core issue
He does a good job of making the core issue clear: we're all just a bunch of cells...at what point does our bunch of cells qualify for human rights?
The pro-life position is: from cell-one onward. The anti-life postiion is: whenever it's convenient for us.
FlamingLiberal's argument is tantamount to saying that because people die anyway of natural causes, it's okay to kill them. Pretty weak, dude.

Exposed-Lib
"I keep hearing the code words "innocent" life. Who's to judge innocence or not."

The LAW.

"You either believe and honor the sancitity of all life or you are a hypocrite."

Moral relativism at its finest huh? Saddam wasn't wrong. Who are we to judge him?

Pathetic.

A Moral Dilemma
A Moral Dilemma

Nazi Hypothermia Experiments

During World War II the Nazi’s performed hypothermia experiments on inmates of the concentration camps. They slowly froze the inmates to death and recorded the process in minute detail. The records contained information on the biology of hypothermia that is impossible to know other than by observing and recording someone in the actual process of dying. These experiments helped the Nazis to better prevent and treat hypothermia in Nazi soldiers that were fighting in harsh environments. After the war these records were discovered by the Allies and there was much debate over the morality of using the data to better understand hypothermia. It was finally decided that because of the thousands of lives that could potentially be saved that it would be moral to use them.

If you had been in a position to stop these experiments would you have done it?

What if you also knew:
• These inmates were going to die anyway. If they were not used in the experiment, then they would go to the gas chambers.
• The knowledge gained by these experiments can be obtained by no other means.
• By allowing the medical profession to better treat hypothermia, this knowledge has saved thousands of lives in the last 50 years.

Would you still stop the experiments? Would you let them continue? On what moral grounds?

Now suppose that instead of using “normal” inmates, the Nazis limited the experiments to inmates with Downs Syndrome? Would that change your decision? Why or why not?

What if the Nazi’s limited the experiment to new born infants. Would that change your decision? Why or why not?

What if the Nazi’s limited the experiment to fetuses removed from the mother’s womb in the 9th month of gestation? The 6th month? The 3rd month? The 3rd day? The 3rd minute? Would that change your decision?

What if the experiments could be done on embryos from IVF? Would that change your decision?

Remember, under all scenarios, the subject is going to die anyway.

Did your decision to allow or not allow the experiments changed at any point? If so, on what basis (moral? scientific? emotional? arbitrary?) did you determine the point that at which the experiment became morally defensible?

The Nazi experiments and the debate over the use of the records are not hypothetical, it happened.

God Told Me That Zygotes's Aren't Human!

When did HE do that? When he designed us (and most of the other mammals), so that more than half the Zygotes do not implant in the Uterine wall, and go into the trash or toilet.

If you disagree with HIM, then start saving all those human beings. Good Luck.

Sanctity of life or not?
I keep hearing the code words "innocent" life. Who's to judge innocence or not. You either believe and honor the sancitity of all life or you are a hypocrite.

Sexual activity
Fact is that when the sexual activity is avoided there is no abortion consideration required.


Precisely the Problem
You said it well: "Human embryos in the first two weeks of gestation are comprised entirely of unique stem cells that have the remarkable ability of transforming into a wide variety of spare cellular parts."

*...spare cellular parts*! This is the lie many believe. The truth is they have "the remarkable ability of transforming into a cute baby." The embryo becomes a baby, not spare parts!

Sekmet:
Where did you get this "sexual activity stuff"? The point isn't the nature of the sexual activity. It is the *human* nature of the embryo.

Cloning
I think in the stem-cell debate this is the 400-pound gorilla in the room.

I know if I were to take some form of stem-cell treatments, I would much rather see them cloned from my own DNA with my own cells' exterior proteins. This makes my chances of having to subsequently live my life on anti-rejection drugs almost nil.

However, this makes every cell in my body a potential clone of me. I don't see folks going off about clone rights. What's so special about a fertilized ovum that is not special about an epithelial cell? After all, if a cell of mine were cloned into another me, this is a completely different person---a twin, if you will.

I think that for pro-lifers, the whole thing is a substitute for concerns about sexual activity. I think their reasoning is backward. If you want people to not have sex outside of certain circumstances, promote a change in society toward more traditional sexual expression, don't outlaw the results and hope it trickles backward into the actions causing those results.

the OTHER issue
Is when lefty media outlets print such garbage as: "Bush Bans Embryonic Stem Cell Research".

The Feds haven't BANNED anything, they simply want to be Sugar Daddy for the Flavor of the Week.

I see two issues
One is the moral issue of it is wrong to kill innocent life even if it benefits somebody else. Tied in with this is a whole range of objections about creating the embryos in the first place. That bothers me. That moral issue is the head of both my disagreements with abortion and ESCR.

The second issue, as I see it, is also a moral issue, but with a financial twist. We know that ASCR has been extremely effective at turning out treatments and it is at a stage in research when, with the proper funding, it could show an explosion in treatments and in some cases cures. Yet, the advocates for ESCR want us to divert funding from already established research that is showing promise to a pie-in-the-sky scenario that they are absolutely convinced without any evidence will produce even better treatments. In essence, they will halt or slow down treatments that might be available any day now to concentrate on treatments that might not be available for 15 years. All because the newer technology is just a little sexier on the resume.

I feel for people who want cures for some of these diseases, but we don't always get what we want in the time that we want it. I really want a new car, but I'm a few thousand dollars short of achieving my goal. If I continue working and saving, I'll get my new car next year. If I decide to circumvent that process by stealing a car, I'm not going to need a new car because I'm going to be in jail. So, is it better to wait and go through a process or try something radical? I opt for the process.

We know that ASCR is a proven producer. We don't now what ESCR is capable of. So we defund the proven producer in order to find out?
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