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Tuesday, October 10, 2006
Dennis Prager :: Townhall.com Columnist
The best are killed in every generation
by Dennis Prager
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Have you ever heard of Anna Politkovskaya?

She was a Russian journalist who regularly reported on Vladimir Putin's undermining of press and other freedoms in Russia. This past weekend she was murdered.

If you are debating whether to be optimistic or pessimistic about humanity's future, here is a point to consider: In every generation, especially in the last century, vast numbers of good people -- often the best people -- have been murdered by the worst people.

Think about all the decent (and, of course, some indecent) people Stalin murdered among his 20 million to 30 million victims. Think about many of the best people in Poland being systematically executed when Soviet agents rounded up the elite of Polish society and massacred them in the Katyn Forest in 1940. What effect did that massacre have on Poland's development?

Think about the decent Germans the Nazis murdered. And, of course, think about the Holocaust, the murder of six million Jews in Europe. Given the wildly disproportionate role Jews play in medical discoveries, the arts and other areas that improve society, the price paid by the world (forgetting for a moment the unbelievable loss to the Jews) because of the Holocaust, is immeasurable. Only God knows what cures for diseases the near-extermination of European Jewry deprived the world of, what great symphonies we will never hear, what inventions we will not be allowed to benefit from.

Consider the millions of decent Chinese -- those who wanted freedom for their people -- murdered by Mao Tse-tung.

In North Korea, it is not far-fetched to believe that almost every Korean who has expressed a decent thought has been murdered by the psychopaths running North Korea for half a century.

Think about those slaughtered by Islamic murderers in the last few years. Compare them with the victims -- Iraqis fighting for freedom, thousands of Americans working to provide for their families in the most tolerant society in the world, Israelis living in one of the world's most humane societies and unknown individuals in Muslim countries trying to bring their governments out of the dark age.

Consider the type of Homo sapiens who literally slaughtered Daniel Pearl -- the Wall Street Journal reporter whose life was dedicated (perhaps naively, but nobly) to promoting understanding between peoples -- and compare them with him. You then have the paradigm of what has been happening for a hundred years -- the worst of humanity eradicating the best of humanity.

You have to wonder how long the world can endure the constant removal of many of its finest souls, and the simultaneous survival and reproduction of many of its most vicious.

As if this were not bad enough, a major portion of humanity vigorously opposes the decent fighting the indecent. The world's Left increasingly flirts with pacifism -- Europe is militarily worthless, and America's elites largely disdain the military. And when the decent fight the indecent -- such as when America fights barbarians in Iraq and Israel fights terrorists who advocate genocide -- they are pilloried.

Indeed, much of the world is no longer capable of even identifying the indecent -- or the decent, for that matter. Moral relativism, multiculturalism and dividing humanity between strong and weak or rich and poor, as opposed to dividing it between the decent and the indecent, have all virtually paralyzed the human conscience.

The net result is that not only do the bad keep eradicating the good, but much of the world actually denies that fact, denies that we can even categorize any people as "good" or "bad," and often opposes the best taking up arms against the worst.

Is the prognosis for good triumphing over bad therefore hopeless? Not yet. The good need to fight not only the bad but also the vast middle of humanity who can't tell the difference between the two. It is a daunting task.

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Dennis Prager is a radio show host, contributing columnist for Townhall.com, and author of 4 books including Happiness Is a Serious Problem: A Human Nature Repair Manual.
 
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Good people
It has been ever thus. Consider the scum who kills a cop, the assasin who targets figures such as the Pope or MLK jr., the animal who murders his rape victim, a nun shot by an Islamic true believer.

i think what Dennis means is that the inevitable becomes horrible when low-lies attain the power to do evil in large doses. The world truly loses.

Maybe we need this reminder.

Disappointed in Dennis

This article barely rises to the level of an average sixth grader's crib notes for an essay on the subject of Good v. Evil.

What makes best people "best" and the worst people so very very bad in Dennis' pensee? He never says. Could the good be the "decent" and the bad the "indecent"? And if so, what is "decent"? just asking.

The clearest evidence that this article belongs in the garbage can is that it more or less "fetches" beliefs and cobbles them into profound morsels of moral "thought" as follows:

"In North Korea, it is not far-fetched to believe that almost every Korean who has expressed a decent thought has been murdered by the psychopaths running North Korea for half a century."

It would be far less far-fetched to believe that the "best" north koreans have learned to keep their mouths shut in the name of survival and that the dumber ones have committed suicide-by-regime.

A simple excursion through history proves that almost always the good tryumphs eventually, if "good" is defined along the terms of Natural Law, the Survival of the Best Adapted and Best Prepared, even as we have not the slightest idea what Survival is for. A good religion provides us with both the principles derived therefrom and also the Answer to the Great Mystery (God knows why we are alive).

But if we believe that The Meek are "the best" and that they "shall inherit the earth" by virtue of just being meek, how long before we're lying INSIDE our "inheritance" with our throats cut by "evil" people for whom "it is not far-fetched to believe" that to die in the process of killing others delivers a flock of virgins to your tent.

At the other extreme of this landscape, the "Best People" should also be "Careful" as Prudence is a requisite of Survival. A reporter toiling in the bowels of russian mafiocracy as this lady had been doing for years should be Intelligent (a characteristic of The Good, no?)Enough to stay at some distance from the guy at the head of the table.

The clearest evidence that Dennis is wrong when he sets to prove that the bad eradicate the good is that judaism and christianity survived for thousands of years and are thriving. The fundamentals of pax romana are still with us 2000 years later. Yes, many of our brethren are confused, lost, and at times demoralized by our very brightest beacons such as Dennis Prager in articles such as this.

Let us keep in mind that The Good are winners by virtue of Nature, and of God.






Dead or Alive.
Perhaps Anna Politkovskaya was to Vladimir Putin as Michael Moore is to George Bush?

As for the rest of the article, except for a few brief, shining moments in the History of the United States of America, and as Dennis repeats often, "What can I tell ya?"

Also, when Dennis feels overwhelmed, he is apt to say, "So what?"

If the word "innocent" is taken out of the language, one can fully understand the following:
I have heard Dennis state more than a few times his disdain for humanity, in general, and that he finds few of his fellows "worth" anything.

I like what some guy said once. He asked, "What is the difference between ignorance and indifference?" The other guy answered, "I don't know and I don't care."

That has become sort of my sentiments on the whole shabang.

Mr. Prager's list
should also include the millions of unborn eliminated and the contributions they will never be allowed to make.

Dennis sees the future clearly
Bill Frist quote from today …and I think he believes what he said:
"Last night’s claimed nuclear test by North Korea is a dangerous provocation that demands a strong response by the United States and by all nations. If Kim Jong Il believes that his claim will intimidate our allies or blunt our determination to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula, he is gravely mistaken"
Message to Frist and his Republican colleagues in the Senate and House:
North Korea and Iran have proved beyond any doubt that you are intimidated by them!
The fault lies with this Republican Congress –
More than 1/2 of America voted for Bush in 2004 (including me) because we saw a gathering threat in N. Korea and Iran, and we knew we had to fight hard to win the peace in Iraq!
Yet the Dems constant hounding and to be expected volatility in Iraq have caused the Republican Congress to cower in the face of possibly loosing a mid term election.
Since Abu Ghraib, Frist & Co. have been more concerned with re-election than protecting the U.S, Now, sadly, neither the Republicans, or Dems, can save us from the fate we await. And our fate was just foreshadowed to us in the subterranean earth under the Korean Peninsula.
The only ones who have been stalwart are GWB, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condi, and FREEPERS. Yet the Frist Congress went soft on this War time President with regard to Iraq and fell victim to 24/7 MSM hounding, and ultimately this manifested in showing weakness to our enemies.
Now we have N Korea with a nuclear weapon… and Bill Frist is talking trash on his Blog?
It’s so 21st Century America!
Sure, the Republicans attacked the Democrats on the airwaves – but the problem has been that this Congress could not muster more support for the Iraq effort after Abu Ghraib.
Now nothing the Republicans say will stop our enemies from coming at us – and we have given them their victory – which is a paralyzed Congress that will not be able to react to this recent military provocation.
Congress should have taken the mandate that the American voters gave it in 2004!!!
Today, in response to N Korea's action, Joe Biden and Hilary bashed Bush for not talking directly with N. Korea? Obliviously they know the history of the Clinton Presidency, but they trust the stupidly of the American Voter!
It's too terrible to think that the Democrats are soon going to take control of Congress, but it's a reality - thanks to feckless leadership in the Senate (and House).
Since 2004 this Congress has not been willing to underwrite the necessary financially commitment to win the peace in Iraq!
It has been painfully clear that the last thing any Republican incumbent would want to do is support more troops in Iraq, coupled with a militaristic foreign policy towards Iran and N. Korea. We all know the President, and his astute advisors, had wanted more money from the start for Iraq, and were talking tough on Iran and N Korea.
Thus our wonderful system of checks and balances will (in my opinion) manifest in 30 million dead American civilians when the WMD attack on our soil hits us sometime in 2007 or 2008. It seems only then will this nation come together to defeat Militant Arab Extremism.
How sad.
Ponder these two comparisons:
WW2 - a universally acknowledged war against evil that had to be won at all costs -
1. More than 40% of our GDP was expended 2. We lost 100,000 lives per year
Iraq - 1/2 the country honestly does not recognize that Iraq was the only logical starting point to defeating Militant Arab Extremism, and today's political rants on the left about the cost of the war in Iraq, in terms of money and lives are as insane as Cotton Mather's views on witches and fears against inoculation to prevent disease.
1. We are spending LESS than 4% of our GDP 2. Less than 1000 lives per year are lost
We CAN afford more dollars for more troops (but the political will is not there)
Meanwhile - innocent Iraqis keep dying because we have been doing just enough to keep that country INCHING toward free markets - BUT - while Frist & Co. thought the bit by bit approach would protect America AND allow Republicans to retain control of Congress the cost of doing nothing was that Iran and N Korea saw our political weakness, and fast forwarded their WMD programs!
Now the horse is out of the barn and it's heading on a slow boat across the Atlantic or Pacific to our major cities - and anyone who thinks otherwise is in for a terrible emotional shock when we are attacked and its 1000X worse than 9/11 - and 10 cities are hit simultaneously!



A Good Reason To Kill the Bad Guys
It's high time we stop diddling around with smart bombs and politically correct military tactics. Millions and millions of evil people need to die. It's the best chance for lasting peace.

They're like germs
Every time I hear people surprised that we're seeing a resurgaence of resistent "superbugs", everything from TB to cooties, after 50 years of antibiotics and chemicals (and always ignoring the idiots who refuse to vaccinate their kids and the Greenies who prefer e-coli to pesticides), I wonder why people have stopped realizing that the stuff that survives has survived because it is resistent to those things that are used against it, and because it survives, it reproduces and strengthens.

Look at the typical inner-city neighbourhood, or New Orleans for that matter, and see life in a petri dish.

In the same way, "good people" are killed off and destroyed because they are incapable by and large of realizing that mutation is called for; they refuse to believe that the world has changed, don't admit that the answer has always been 'change or die' and smugly insist that the way they do things is the way things must be done, even as they go to their death because of same. (Look at all the people at the airport who would rather go screaming to their deaths in a burning plane than turn loose their lip gloss, and the Toronto residents who prefer being raped and murdered by home invaders to the sound of a police helicopter.)

The strongest and fittest are not the only ones who survive; there is also a place for those who can ride the wave of change and stop the smug repitition of the Seven Last Word of the Elite: "We've Never Done It That Way Before."

Not That Simple
Personas cannot be viewed one dimensional and value judgements made. How good is a man who is a competent scientist, an atheist and a communist. How good a soldier is a Medal of Honor winner, adulterer, and pedophile. How good is a priest that preys on alter boys. Every man must be viewed in his whole man image. Compartmentalization has no value when judging good and bad; it all must be looked at. The "whole man" is the only way to evaluate any individual.

Its a shame but essentially true
I am not a pessimist by nature but Prager is expressing what I have been thinking for a while. For me the bottom line is not that all evil always wins out over all good -- I do not beleive that -- I believe that in our American society we have failed to keep the Republic alive and well and have allowed conditions to prevail that has given us a government of elected officials whose only concern is getting elected and who no longer have the guts to LEAD the nation, but instead refuse to take a position on the major issues. Every letter or email I have ever written to my elected officials has always been responded to by weasel worded statements that when carefully considered say NOTHING and commit the offical to NOTHING. So that no matter what the out come may be s/he can always claim they stood for the opposite of what ever unpopular result may occur and accept the credit for what ever the popular result was. In short we are no longer a republic but have become the worst form of a democracy that "governs" by popularity contests irrespective of what is right, moral, decent and honorable. We have allowed this to happen and we now may have passed the point of no return! The nation now punishes the producers and rewards the non-producers as a matter of policy. Our government has become Robin Hood -- we take from the rich (by force) and give to the poor based upon their needs. Hmm, does that sound a bit like "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need?" Thats the socialist/communist basic philosphy.

Handy and DGL have it right in my opinion. Having read nearly all of Ayn Rand's books I have come to believe her novels were prophetic -- its time for Atlas to Shrugge!!

What Dennis said
Bandu: "The good need to fight not only the bad but also the vast middle of humanity who can't tell the difference between the two. It is a daunting task."

Are you one who cannot tell the difference?

Michael Moore? Are you kidding me???
Michael Moore vs. Bush = Politkovskaya vs. Putin?

There are so many things wrong with this comparison, it makes my head hurt to try and sort them out, at least this early in the morning. But here's the obvious two:

1. Michael Moore is completely reckless with the truth; he's a polemicist, not a journalist, and a pretty darn shoddy polemicist at that.

2. The comparison between Putin and Bush as co-equal repressors of opposition voices in their respective countries is laughable on its face.

Ahhhh, I got my first dose of L^3 early today (L^3 - Looney Lying Leftists). And here I thought Dennis's column would be an innocuous enough place to start.

Re: The Distillation

Handy writes:

> Evil people hate the good precisely because they are the
> good. It's all about envy.


I think you're confusing "good" in the sense of "virtuous"
with "good" in the sense of "competent."

Collectivists resent achievers because they make the mediocre
look, well, mediocre. But that has nothing to do with good
versus evil per se.


-CB-


L^3: a correction
I think in this case, we are talking more about "Leftists' Looney Logic" than "Looney Leftist Lies."

Abortion and good versus bad
This article reminds me of a Sunday School class I attended that had several liberal members. A person asked for prayer for a relative with cancer. One of the libs mused, "How could a loving God not have sent us a Dr who could discover the cure for caner?" I replied, "Maybe He did and we aborted the baby." One guess on which one of us was vilified in the ensuing "discussion."


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Knowledge is proud that it knows so much;
Wisdom is humble that it knows no more.
- William Cowper

Hey FergusMacLennan...
Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed? And I thought only Leftists got up looking for someone to hate, first thing.

I said none of those things you said. You said 'em.

I am sarcastic and cynical to the max, yes. 68 years of living in this world, and 5 of those years firing howitzers at other humans may do that to a guy. Also, 55 years of paying taxes, some of which were used to build the finest nuclear weapons of all, and to see them rusting in their silos, when they could have been put to pretty good use -- certainly recently -- all of this sort of flies in the face of being called a Lefty.

Right on the money.
"Indeed, much of the world is no longer capable of even identifying the indecent -- or the decent, for that matter. Moral relativism, multiculturalism and dividing humanity between strong and weak or rich and poor, as opposed to dividing it between the decent and the indecent, have all virtually paralyzed the human conscience.

The net result is that not only do the bad keep eradicating the good, but much of the world actually denies that fact, denies that we can even categorize any people as "good" or "bad," and often opposes the best taking up arms against the worst."

Quite a few of the responses to this article have only helped to prove this point.


Huh?
Choicemaker in response to what you have quoted: Huh?

WHAT’S WRONG WITH GEORGE BUSH?

Sadly our President is contributing to this terrible truth with his Iraq bungling -- what’s wrong with George Bush? First and foremost, our President is not a rational thinker – his mind accepts information from only two sources: faith and experience. For example, he learned the "the enemy will follow us here" from Vietnam and the Domino Theory: “If we don’t defeat the communists in Vietnam, then we’ll have to fight them here in America.” Now just insert “terrorists” and “Iraq” into the one lesson Bush learned from Vietnam.

Because Bush is not rational (strictly empirical and subjective), objective facts and evidence such as the latest National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) are meaningless to this anachronistic man of several millennia ago. “STAY THE failed COURSE” is all that’s possible!

Funny you'd bring up rational.....
Ironic really, seeing as you are an extremist rabble rouser who is trying to play on emotion.

Prager
Prager has an agenda. He writes to promote those of his religion and he is persistent about it. Anna Politkovskaya comes from a Jewish family and she is from New York. She was not viewed by Putin as a good person; she was a burr under his saddle. I am not saying Putin had anything to do with her murder but I doubt that he felt much grief when he was told about it. Prager is quick to point out the medical contributions and other areas where Jews excel but he does not mention the Jewish propensity to be Communist. Jews led the Communist take overs in Russia, Romania, Hungary, Poland, and attempted to take over in Germany. In my eyes those are not good people and the millions they killed or had killed should be more clearly identified as historical fact. Prager faces the monument to the victims of the Holocaust but turns his back on the victims purged and killed during the spread of Communism. Ukrainians would not join Prager in showing such sympathies.

John Citizen
You have put some words together that would easily impress a bunch of college freshmen drinking beer in a fraternity house. Your words are anal extractions--you have extrapolated thoughts from disconnected facts and mixed to impress. I am impressed--I am impressed by your total lack of honesty which does 2 things for you. It identifies you as a bad person and based on Prager's thesis in today's piece, that insures your survival. Take a bow.

Dang!
Here I go not getting killed and thinking that was a good thing. I guess since I survived, I’ll never be the best of my generation. It reminds me of our annual high school student car accident death. The student always turns out to be the class hero.

The Commissioner: Love the story. Of course since murderers outnumber brilliant doctors; applying your logic means that it’s more likely that a murderer was aborted rather than a doctor who would have cured cancer.

Excellent post
The Commissioner writes: One of the libs mused, "How could a loving God not have sent us a Dr who could discover the cure for caner?" I replied, "Maybe He did and we aborted the baby."
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Given the parameters Planned Parenthood recommends it’s “treatment” (women without a steady income, single mother, abusive spouse) Bill Clinton would have been a prime candidate for an abortion. Wait, which side of this argument am I on?




Watched two war movie's last nite
In the first, Vietnam Vets living in the woods like animals as a result of their expierences in the war...they were survivors and good men that were or would be considered insane by any "human". The second movie (Jarhead) was a terrible real picture of the insanity caused not only BY war but by the THOUGHT of war and the mind control used on "humans" to create the mindset of war. It is the "human" factor that creates war. It is the "human" factor that creates insanity. It is the "human" factor that creates brainwashing. It is the "human" factor that creates hate, whether religious, ethnic or philosophical. Because we are "human" we have choices but because we are "human" our choices are limited to our history and experience. Therefore, do we really have choices? If your history is pride in your military experience (the comradiery of war)will you not instill that pride in your son? If your history is hating blacks..will you not instill that history in your son? If your history is an abusive father do you not show that abusiveness to your wife and child? You do have a choice if you don't know it. You do have the ability to change if you are aware of that ability. If you are not will you not continue to war, abuse, belittle, hate, etc etc etc? Are you a good or bad person? Or...are you just who you are and that is all there is? Are you better or worse than any other human? If you consider yourself a warrior for Islam and are willing to die for that belief..are you worse than me or you? Before we condemn the "bad" we must know who they are. Before we praise the "good" we must also know who they are. "Human" means nothing. It is just our excuse.

snot, my apologies
Apologies for labeling you a lefty; forgive me. Your little comparison exhibited such marked symptoms of Bush Derangement Syndrome, I jumped to a conclusion. I see now that you were perhaps not attacking Bush by comparing him to Putin, but rather that you were attacking Politkovskaya by comparing her to Moore.

I am not sure that that is any better, but I suppose it is important, in analyzing the various critters that live in the fever-swamps, not to confuse the leeches with the mosquitos.

Bandu...
I think you're silly.

Aw Jeeze
FREEDOM writes: Watched two war movie's last nite
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Turn the TV off and start living in the real world.

your name says it all
GOON..you have no concept of what i was writing about and never will.

Amazing
Just amazing how many posters clearly do not recognize themselves in Dennis column. I know right from wrong. None of this in the end worries me at all. It is those of you who don't that should be worried. Questions that obfuscate the issue are not an articulate defense of what are by definition amoral positions. In short, for those of you Dennis is writing about (and please, ask yourself exactly how and why you know that it's YOU I'm talking about here...it's a BIG clue) for your own good - know that you are accountable to a moral code. It's why one was given to you in the first place. If it didn't exist at all, if it had no relevance as you'd like to suggest, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. And that, as they say, is a fact. I'm not concerned for myself - I'll be fine no matter the outcome, but I am genuinely concerned for each of you. You clearly don't understand what you're choosing here.

Stuck in "The Vast Middle"

So now I have to worry about the "Good" people fighting me as well as the "Evil" ones?

Woe is me, I'm stuck in the middle and can't make up my mind about who is good and who is evil. Gee, Israel is "one of the world's most humane societies" but they oppress their Palestinian neighbors, who were promised the same thing Israel got in 1948 but are still waiting. And those terrorists are indeed "Islamic Murderers", but I'll be dammed if I can think of how to explain to the relatives of the Pashtun children we blew up because we heard that Bin Laden was visiting their village how we are so completely different...

Gee, I wish I was one of those people who knows who the good guys are and the bad guys are, like Dennis, or "Rugged Individualist" above, who has identified the millions and millions of evil people who need to die,...

or Hitler.



Freedom
Don’t worry about Hockey Goon. He and a couple of other contributors are all members of Easy Co. Their years with Sgt. Rock leave them jaded and touchy on certain subjects.

homer
Am I one?

god people bad people
It may not matter if the good people or the bad people kill other people in years to come but one thing may be a certainty. It will be Muslims. It takes 2.3 children per couple to sustain any civilization. In the USA I think we are at 2.4. In France, sweeden, and Germany it is, at best 2.1 and probably lower. So on this basis Europe will be under Muslim law first. If we don`t secure our borders we will follow. The American dream will come to an end. Not only as we know it, but entirely. Any person who thinks about how wonderful multiculturism may be, think about that one fact. The Muslims almost took over the world at a time in the past. Looks like they are going to do it for sure this time.

Great Post...
... Rugged Individualist!

The Post from the Commissioner
RE: This column and the statement "This article reminds me of a Sunday School class I attended that had several liberal members. A person asked for prayer for a relative with cancer. One of the libs mused, 'How could a loving God not have sent us a Dr who could discover the cure for cancer?' I replied, 'Maybe He did and we aborted the baby.' One guess on which one of us was vilified in the ensuing 'discussion'" from the Commissioner. Yet more reasons why we conservatives and Christians should stop trying to "debate" the left and start thinking about how to contain it.

Darkness hates light
"everyone who does evil hates the light..."
This is not new to this generation or this century. Paradoxically, however, the suffering or even death of the innocent often has a redemptive result. Historically, persecution has strengthened the church--spiritually, as issues become sharply focused, and often numerically as well.
There's a lot of chatter here about "survival of the fittest", but what appear to be "the fittest" very often carry the seeds of their own failure. We are not just Darwinian automatons; there are forces beyond what we can immediately see at work. And we've read the end of the book: even though it looks dark, light wins.

Robert E Lee
What do you propose? Wait, I know. You could lead an army of secessionists and break away from the US to form your own country and protect your ‘unique institutions’. Just kidding, but the comment from the commissioner was not only illogical, it belies any great faith in God. Maybe you are right though. I can understand the preference to consider ones self right and all who disagree wrong and want to use means other than debate to make the world what you think it should be.

Flaming Hot Liberal
The "vast" middle are the people who go along with people like Hitler. The "vast" middle are the people who stand by while injustice occurs around them everyday. "Good" can be a subjective term, but not only subjective. Objective truth and good exists. I am not saying you should listen to me or Dennis or whoever more than anyone else, but the thing that people like Prager and I are right about is that there is good and there is evil. If you cannot see and admit that groups like the PLO are more evil and dangerous than the nation of Israel, then what is the point of engaging in a reasoned debate with you anyway? You sound like the people who say America can not claim to have done good by over-throwing the Taliban because collateral damage took place.

I guess I have been confused
For Flaming liberal. . . . . . .

Lets see it must be that Israel and the US make it an avowed policy and regular practice to send its own children into Pizza parlors with bombs straped to them to blow up innocent people. Equally it also must be that Israel and the US regularly publically behead news men/women, and others with whom they disagree. I must also agree that it is far preferable for the innocent of the US and Israel to to slaughtered than for the Islamofascits. How dare either country take one innocent life of the Islamofascists in the defense of its own liberties and rights. What could the US be thinking when it takes its UNIFORMED soldiers to fight against the civillian clothed terrorists that are indistiguishable from the innocent civillians -- we should be begging the islamofascits for forgiveness and pardon them for the murder of 3000 innocent people on 9/11. Israel should give back Palistine to the Palistinians who never lived there and were not born in Palistine as the country did not exist and the land was never occupied until after Israel was partitioned. After all Israel has no right to exist, just the Palistinians and the islamofascits have that right. Gosh thats brilliant! How dare we think we have any right to retaliate! We should be out there kissing a** and giving foreign aide to every needy mideastern nation.

Thank You MikeR
I didn't know that..sorry Goon! Chuck..now that we all know the horror religious zealots can officiate first hand (all true in your descriptions) what do you suggest we do? Is it time for us to use neuclear weapons? Is that what you are suggesting? Where do we use them? How do we accomplish peace when we are facing hate in every direction and what will happen if we do bomb? Where will we be then..what is your answer Chuck? Or any of you. It is not a COUNTRY we are at war with...it is a RELIGION? How do you fight a Religion?

Hi Mr. Ecko & Chuck

Mr Ecko, you do sound like a rather reasonable sort, so I would like to assure you that I too believe that there is good and there is evil in this world. I just don't share your and Dennis's confidence about WHO is good and WHO is evil. The PLO is more Evil and Dangerous than Israel? Well, I'd like to agree with you, but more dangerous to WHOM? While either party is at least some threat to innocent civilians in Gaza, I daresay most of them feel in far more danger from Israel.

Don't you ever get even a little nagging sense of unease that people in that area of the world may be, at least in part, reacting to things our (and other western) governments have done to them over the last century or so? Is it more reasonable to believe that everyone over there is evil?

OTOH Chuck, besides asking you to dwell on just who an "Innocent Islamofascist" might be, all I'd ask from you is if you and all your other buddies who believe the fairy tail that Palestine was unoccupied (ALL the meditteranean coast, BOTH banks of the Jordan river, the northern forests, JERUSALEM...)could get together with the delusionals who believe all of Israel was bought from it's original inhabitants, and work out your differences.

God people bad people
Kudos to Woody,
He sees the TRUE picture..

thank you

Good People or is it in the Genes?
Back in the last decade of the last century, Jane Goodall gave an interview that graced the first broadcasting days of what was then a new cable documentary channel.
During the interview, they questioned the reception the scientific community gave her new work, a study of the behavior in the wild of chimpanzee bands in the Gombe reserve in Kenya.
She replied that the scientific community greeted her work with not a little skepticism.
'These goings on that you report can't be quite true. The first thing is that you have no credentials. You have no formal training as
a scientist.
This thing about the chimpanzees attacking and sometimes killing other chimpanzees from strange groups that trespass on the band's home territory can't be true either, because (Gasp!) that would mean that if mankind's closest living relative in the animal kingdom is warlike, then men is inherently (Gasp!) warlike too. If it is true, we have to find a rug to sweep this under and rather quickly.'
You will find history replete with humanlike chimpanzees trespassing on another band's territory, and you find history replete with humanlike chimpanzees defending their territory.
So Anna's story is just another incident of the same genetic story repeating itself over and over the last 7.5 to 10 million years. So is Khalid's, and Mahmoud's, Vladimir's, Usama's, Adolf's, Joseph's, Mao's, Napolean's, Ceasar's etc, etc. etc.

Killing the best
I do agree with Dennis' premise in this article, and would add to it. World War 1 killed a great number of the "best and brightest" young men in Europe (as well as the not-so-bright, of course), literally decimating a generation in France, England, Germany, etc. World War 2 added to that. I often wonder if Europe's decline isn't directly related to that great loss of alpha males from the gene pool.

It can't have helped.

Andy

The best are killed in every generation
(Pardon my French; but this kind of thing is what brings out the liberal in me;like abortion, artificial birth control, and "'Gay'rights" bring out the conservative!)

That's the b-tch b-st-rd of that obscenity called "war"; isn't it? Think about the things humanity could have had throughout recorded history; (and unrecorded history, for all I know!); if old men (and occasionally old women, let's be fair!)had never sent young men, (and, more occaisionally, young women, let's be fair again!), to die!
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