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Saturday, June 16, 2007
Alan Sears :: Townhall.com Columnist
The ACLU Never Forgets Its Pro-Communist Roots
by Alan Sears
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Just as a leopard cannot change its spots, nor a zebra its stripes, an organization whose founder admired the “ideals” of the hammer and sickle can never really abandon those destructive beginnings.

More than a quarter-century after his death, the “legacy” of American Civil Liberties Union founder Roger Baldwin – a self-professed fan of Soviet communism and of Joseph Stalin – is still going strong. With the collapse of the Soviet empire, current ACLU leaders have thrown more of their support to one of the last remaining bastions of the Soviet ideal: Cuba.

In 2005, for example, the ACLU endorsed an amendment lifting the ban on tourist travel to Cuba – a long-distance slap in the face to Cubans, who now watch foreign tourists feed corruption, pesos and dollars to the Communist machine, while they themselves are stripped of nearly all human rights. The insult was multiplied a year later, when the ACLU demanded an end to bans on academic travel, so scholars could lend their support to the regime.

But ACLU leaders are as eager to export Cuban communism as they are to import American tourist dollars. Last week, the ACLU was in federal court, arguing that a Miami-Dade County school board broke the law by removing from its school libraries a book entitled Vamos a Cuba (Let’s Visit Cuba), which offers a strangely luminous view of life in Castro’s island “paradise.” A federal judge has already ruled that the book be returned to the shelves until the case can play out in court.

The school board’s beef isn’t with what is on the pages, but with what isn’t. Parents filed complaints after finding the book to be devoid of any mention of the oppressive regime instituted by Fidel Castro nearly 50 years ago. Instead, its pages are filled with breezy commentaries on how Cubans enjoy chicken with rice (under the country’s subsidized ration plan, the average Cuban is allotted a whopping 8 ounces per month) and boating as a leisure activity (“boating” being a rather ironic term for the fragile, homemade rafts so many launch out onto the ocean, in desperate bids to escape the regime).

The book’s cover, available in both English and Spanish versions, is adorned with beaming children dressed in the uniform of the Pioneers, the Communist youth organization that Cuban children are required to join. They look like Cuban Bobbsey Twins.

Obviously, the Miami children targeted for this book have never been told that questioning the Cuban government is likely to lead to imprisonment … that milk is far too expensive for most on the island to purchase … that access to everyday activities like surfing the Internet is not only severely limited, but closely monitored by the government for any shred of dissent against Castro and his cronies.

Absent from the pages of Vamos a Cuba is any mention of the ruthless 20-year prison sentences levied on Cuban poets and journalists and priests who failed to fawn over their fearless leader. Instead, the book depicts Cubans as living as freely as they please.

Incredibly, the ACLU claims that removal of these fictions somehow violates students’ constitutional rights to “access of information.” That’s right: your kids have a constitutional right to absorb misinformation. If a pro-Communist wants to lie about the impact of the Party on the people, your tax dollars should encourage children to read those lies.

Of course, this same “right to access” doesn’t apply to information that the ACLU’s intolerant agenda deems misleading. They’re not nearly as interested in allowing both evolution and intelligent design to be discussed in science classes, or in letting a student who disagrees with homosexual behavior present his views openly and peacefully to a fellow student. It’s doubtful that a biography stressing John Paul II’s resistance to Communism, a children’s book stressing the importance of having both a mommy and a daddy, or, of course, a revisionist view of the impact of the ACLU would make the organization’s suggested reading list for Florida public schools – or the subject of an ACLU lawsuit to protect children’s “access.”

After all, when it’s not promoting Communism, the ACLU is promoting atheism. As the Number One religious censor in America, they’re probably more responsible than anyone for removing Bibles, books on Christian faith, history, and heritage, and textbooks debunking Darwinian theory from public library shelves all over the country.

And yet blocking the truth isn’t enough. The ACLU chooses clients who want to replace factual information with lies, like the blatant misrepresentations of Cuban life in Vamos a Cuba. In its determination to keep a book so ridiculously backward on the shelves, the ACLU is clearly bent on a mission of disinformation.

But then, it would have to be, to promote the current Cuban regime. Cuba’s own Constitution declares that: "Citizens have freedom of speech and of the press in keeping with the objectives of socialist society.” Translation: Toe the party line, fellow Cubans, or face the consequences.

Perhaps the book should be retitled, Vamos a Prisión.

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ACLU's position re: child porn?
What is the ACLU's position regarding child porn?

What is the ACLU's position regarding created-on-computers child porn?

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ACLU allied with porn industry?
22 October 2005
by James L. Lambert
WorldNetDaily.com
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46985
Previously, the ACLU has defended child
pornography. In a quietly prosecuted case in 1981,
People v. Ferber, the ACLU won a 5-2 decision in
the New York Court of Appeals that for a short time
"legalized simulated intercourse, real intercourse,
lewd conduct ... with children," says Reisman,
author of the soon-to-be-released, "Kinsey's Attic:
How One Man's Psychopathology Changed the
World." Fortunately, says Reisman, the Ferber
case was later appealed by the New York attorney
general and ultimately reversed by the U.S.
Supreme Court. The Oregon cases, like Ferber, just
demonstrate how far the ACLU will go in defending
pornographers, adds Reisman.

NOTE: this text is graphic:
control - f/ "find" for: knife
http://www.porn-report.com/103d-james-dobson-comments.htm

1 June 2007
Ex-Virginia ACLU President Pleads Guilty in Child Porn Case
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0607/427957.html
A former president of the Virginia chapter of the
American Civil Liberties Union pleaded guilty Friday
to federal child pornography charges.

to Rebecca
You write:

How can we train Americans to control their government, as is required in a free nation, if they are being indoctrinated in government-controlled schools?????!!!!!!!!! We need separation of school and state - before it is too late!!!!!!!!!!

I AM WITH YOU 100% on this one.

The mass-mind, secular-humanist, multicultarist ethos indoctrinated within our public schools is THE NUMBER ONE threat to the well-being of our nation's character.

It is antithetical to the spirit of this country as transmitted to us by our Founding Fathers.

It is, indeed, a TROJAN HORSE.


Alan Sears is Ignorant
I am no fan of the ACLU but for Alan Sears to cry and whine that they wanted travel restrictions lifted because they want to support Castro's regime is a weak argument and ignorant at that.

Anybody who knows history and something about economics would know that the current U.S. restrictions against Cuba is doing nothing more than keeping Castro in power. It's been in effect since the early 60's and Castro is not going to go away anytime soon. He's outlived 6 Presidents and out ruled 9 of them yet both Democrats and Republicans keep ignorantly on with the restrictions and bans. When the Cuban people complain about their hardships in life, it is easy to blame the U.S. and the restrictions.

If you want Castro and his people out of power, then the only way now is to lift all restrictions and allow tourists and businesses to invest in Cuba. Little by little, the Cubans will get a taste of Capitalism and eventually they will want more. In ten years time, the Cubans will realize that Castro is full of it and will tell him to go where the sun does not shine. Especially since that hypocrite lives in luxourious splendor while his people keep suffering in poverty.

Vietnam was living low in poverty until we lifted the sanctions and began trading with them, now their economy is booming. China is also tasting the sweet success of Capitalism, and I am sure that within the next 10 to 15 years, both the Vietnamese and Chinese will tire of having tired, old Communists ruling in hypocrisy and will finally give them the boot.

Cuba deserves that same chance, especially since Hugo Chavez sees himself as the next Fidel and will rule in the same manner (and live in the same hypocrisy) as his predecessor.

It gives credibility to what Ron Paul was saying that trading and setting good examples is the best way of getting rid of dictatorships who rule with an iron hand, because once the people taste Liberty, Prosperity and Peace, they will do all they can to keep it.

So as far as Alan Sears' comments are concerned... They are ignorant and they only feed on the ignorant. We as Americans should know better.

Attorney's Fees
The ACLU targets local governmental entities to bully and sue. If they win, they are awarded attorney's fees by federal statute, usually the awards run in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. The awards are paid out of local government funds - i.e., taxpayer money. This is the ACLU's main source of revenue.

Education and the U.S. Constitution
The federal government has no power over education and cannot constitutionally regulate what local schools allow in their libraries. The federal government is, by design, an extremely limited one, possessing only those very limited powers given to it by We, the People, in our Constitution. Article 1, Section 8, nor any other section of the Constitution, gives any power whatsoever over education to the federal government. In fact, it is the utmost in tyranny for our federal government to be telling us what we can and cannot teach our children. How can we train Americans to control their government, as is required in a free nation, if they are being indoctrinated in government-controlled schools?????!!!!!!!!! We need separation of school and state - before it is too late!!!!!!!!!!


ought be legal to make $ off of sadism?
"your hatred of free speech"

Knight_of_BAAWA, do you think it ought be legal to make money off of graphic video
involving the premeditated, sadistic killing of born human life?

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rape & killing for cash & kicks
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1151072068.693171.177220%40p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com

ACLU-won court case $$ comes from where?
"Money from winning cases is not
the same as receiving taxpayer money."

From whose pocket(s) comes this
"money from winning cases"?

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20 April 2006
PA taxpayers to pay $1 million to plaintiffs' attorneys following ACLU lawsuit
It's time for Congress to end 'fee-shifting provisions' in religion cases
http://www.renewamerica.us/analyses/060420voigt.htm

25 November 2004
Petition: Take ACLU off taxpayer dole
Legal group awarded 1/2 million tax dollars for ridding courthouse of 10 Commandments
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41635

13 October 2005
Stop Paying For The Secularization of America
http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2005/10/13/stop-paying-for-the-secularization-of-america/

4 August 2006
ACLU Accused of Profiting at Taxpayer Expense
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200608/CUL20060804a.html

Warrior-- any 'Jews' dislike Socialism?
Warrior on June 17, 2007 7:37 AM:
> On your comment about atheism and Judaism you display a
> lack pf understanding about the games played by the Jewish
> "serpents of semantics". To be a Jew you must meet the
> requirements of only 1 of a choice of 3 parameters. To be a
> Jew you can be a part of the Jewish race(Jews call
> themselves a separate race),

Since about what year did "Jews call themselves a separate race"?

What's involved in being "a part of the Jewish race"?

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Koster: absurd to talk of a Jewish "race"
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/304bc66c60e950c4?hl=en&

1859 Darwin vs. the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120016676.023811.113660%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

agree with Hitler about who 'Jews' are?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136226458.258397.34490%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com

Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/10ac5d963dfa0eba?hl=en&

> you can be a part of the
> Jewish culture (Jews view their culture as unique), or you
> can practice Judaism the religion (to be a practicing Jew you
> must mention your Rabbi ,by name, at least twice per day
> and work with your local "Meals on Wheels" organization.
> Salvation thru service). Jews whose shadow never falls
> across the portal of the synagogue still consider themselves
> Jews, wear the yarmulke, and will seek burial under Jewish
> tradition. Qualification to be this type Jew is to meet one of
> the other 2 membership claims. Socialist/Communist Jews
> tend to hide that religious affiliation and work very hard to
> destroy everyone else's (destroyed 40,000 Christian
> churches during their Communist control of Russia).It is
> difficult to trace the religious affiliation of Russian Jews
> because Jew and Communist became synonymous and
> Jews grew to fear retribution. It is hard to be heavily involved
> with the murder of 40 to 60 million of your friends and
> neighbors and not harbor some trepidation about your
> longevity as a living being. Throughout the first half of the
> 20th Century Europe was labeled as being heavily anti-
> semitic. That was and is a misnomer--Europe was flooded
> with reports and immigrants from Communist ravaged
> Russia and large portions of Europe became anti-
> Communist (unfortunately but rightly synonymous with
> Jews). Anti-Semitic is a catch-all phrase designed to provide
> cover for a plethora of political misgivings associated with
> Jews and their political love of Socialism.

Are you aware of any individuals that both
1) are Jews in your view,
and
2) dislike Socialism?

> Again, Salvation
> thru service using other people's money and talent.

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1994 "Jews and the Christian Right"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141413912.024904.174260%40p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com

Marxist-Leninist atheism-adherents responsible for the killing of 94+ million
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1167099703.362978.48000%40i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

atheism-adherents dynamited churches
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1175267355.454124.210170%40y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com

"Fascist!" he shrieked.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1167413690.874628.159730%4048g2000cwx.googlegroups.com

oh well, Warrior

My question was pretty far-afield from this thread's topic.

But it did seem to me that you were making a distinction between what I might call a one-world rule by a single communist dictator (the Trotskyite Worldwide Communism you write of) versus a Stalin-type communism featuring many different nations all led by individual communist governments. I have no idea if it even matters.

But there you have it.

Thank you for your overview of mid-century world history; but how could you know that my knowledge of history overall is pretty decent as it is?

Darcy
My comments about the differing views of the Trotskyites versus Stalin had reference to the period 1905-1938 roughly. Everything changed at the end of WWll and the advent of the Cold War. Power structures in Europe were destroyed, the Pacific Rim was left in vacuum and the atomic period was rife with uncertainty. Fundamentally, there were 2 super powers emerging and the jockeying for World dominance was underway. NATO and the WARSAW PACT were caught in a dichotomy of the fear of nuclear war and the desire for economic expansion and development. Uncertainty was the rule and global tensions were the disease.

to Warrior

Warrior writes:

Trotsky viewed Communism as a worldwide movement supported by perpetual revolution but Stalin did not. Stalin viewed it as a national movement and ultimately purged the Worldwide believers.

And I ask:
If your second statement is true, how is it that Stalin financed Mao? that Moscow's agents in Shanghai and elsewhere in China gave the CCP the help and direction it needed to prevail over Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalist forces?

For example: In Moscow, ". . . January 1929, GRU (Soviet Military Intelligence) chief Jan Berzin and Stalin's China apparatchik, Pavel Mif, were meeting to discuss how the Soviet army could give 'practical help to ZHU-Mao" [Mao and his army leader ZHU) whom Moscow was tracking closely."
From Mao: The Unknown Story, by Jung Chang.

Maybe I misunderstood what your were trying to say?

Thrasybulus
You argue like a 1960s fraternity house moron. Sure there are all sorts of things on the internet but sources can be carefully chosen and verified as legit or waist shooters , like yourself. People like you tire me because the only truth comes from your mouth, which is made up and unsubstantiated. As to the question of Stalin's being Jew or something else, frankly I do not know. Logically it seems very possible from my perspective. I have never known a gentile to be married to 3 Jewish women or for one of their children to be married to 3 Jewish men. Stalin also changed his name which was very uncommon for Georgian men but quite common for Jewish men. Trotsky was Lev Bronstein and Stalin's real name was Joseph Vissarionovich Djugashvili. For years Lenin was said to have no Jewish blood but since the Russian archives have been opened, it is now known his maternal great grandfather was Moishe Itskovich Blank and Lenin was the grandson of Srul Moishevich Blank. True to form the Blank name was changed to Aleksandr Dmitrievich.
Bolshevik financing--once again you apply your warped logic established without research. Here are some facts you can research but I doubt you will as reading is tiresome while your logic is freeing and refreshing (to you only).Communist were anti-capitalism but the Bolsheviks had no difficulty whatsoever in raising vast amounts of capital from Jewish financiers around the World. Trotsky while living in New York, worked on Jacob H. Schiff, who it was, later admitted, poured $20 million of Kuhn Loeb bank money into the projected Bolshevik takeover. Schiff was married to Solomon Loeb's daughter. Loeb, Kahn and Warburg were all German immigrants and partners in the Kuhn Loeb Company Bank. The bank made millions financing railroads. Other Jewish owned banks that financed the Bolsheviks were the Rothschild Bank of London; Warburg Bank of Hamburg; and the Rothschild Bank of Berlin.
In Scandinavia, another Jewish banker, Olaf Aschberg, was busy putting together an investment portfolio to propel the nascent Bolshevik state into financial bliss.
Stalin did purge some Jews but that was a political in-struggle based on different visions of Communism. Trotsky viewed Communism as a worldwide movement supported by perpetual revolution but Stalin did not. Stalin viewed it as a national movement and ultimately purged the Worldwide believers. Stalin had Trotsky ice picked to death in Mexico City in 1940.

Synthesizer
On your comment about atheism and Judaism you display a lack pf understanding about the games played by the Jewish "serpents of semantics". To be a Jew you must meet the requirements of only 1 of a choice of 3 parameters. To be a Jew you can be a part of the Jewish race(Jews call themselves a separate race), you can be a part of the Jewish culture (Jews view their culture as unique), or you can practice Judaism the religion (to be a practicing Jew you must mention your Rabbi ,by name, at least twice per day and work with your local "Meals on Wheels" organization. Salvation thru service). Jews whose shadow never falls across the portal of the synagogue still consider themselves Jews, wear the yarmulke, and will seek burial under Jewish tradition. Qualification to be this type Jew is to meet one of the other 2 membership claims. Socialist/Communist Jews tend to hide that religious affiliation and work very hard to destroy everyone else's (destroyed 40,000 Christian churches during their Communist control of Russia).It is difficult to trace the religious affiliation of Russian Jews because Jew and Communist became synonymous and Jews grew to fear retribution. It is hard to be heavily involved with the murder of 40 to 60 million of your friends and neighbors and not harbor some trepidation about your longevity as a living being. Throughout the first half of the 20th Century Europe was labeled as being heavily anti-semitic. That was and is a misnomer--Europe was flooded with reports and immigrants from Communist ravaged Russia and large portions of Europe became anti-Communist (unfortunately but rightly synonymous with Jews). Anti-Semitic is a catch-all phrase designed to provide cover for a plethora of political misgivings associated with Jews and their political love of Socialism. Again, Salvation thru service using other people's money and talent.

An 87 year-old monster
In 1920, a joint committee review of the ACLU by the New York State Legislature described the organization as “a supporter of all subversive movements; and its propaganda is detrimental to the interests of the state. It attempts not only to protect crime, but to encourage attacks upon our institutions in every form.” Those attacks are still as much a goal today as they were in 1920. And the successful attacks in the courts of yesterday and today are aimed at your family’s destruction and the disolution of all morality. Personally, I would hang every one of these traitors.

Defends the Bill of Rights?
Does anybody know of any time the ACLU defended the rights of Americans under the 2d, 4th, 9th or 10th Amendments? Just asking.

Glad to see
Americans know the aclu is a communist front



agree w Commie Leftist U. on child porn?
The American Communist Leftist Union (ACLU) has no problem with the
distribution of child pornography. The American Communist Leftist
Union opposes restrictions on the distribution of child pornography--
it thinks distribution of child porn is protected by the First
Amendment.

Do you agree with the American Communist Leftist Union on this issue?

NOTE: this text is graphic:
control - f/ "find" for: knife
http://www.porn-report.com/103d-james-dobson-comments.htm

Warrior wrote:
"All I just said can be verified on the internet from multiple sources."

Ha! Yes indeed...You know what else can be verified "on the internet"? The "fact" that the Holocaust is a myth, George Bush orchestrated 9/11, and that the world will end on March 6, 2009.

Stalin was of course not Jewish--that's a silly, demonstrable lie. He was virulently anti-semetic and as I pointed out the Soviet Union persecuted Jews. In light of this persecution, in the 70's America began to admit Jewish refugees into the country. Hmm, why would a Jewish Communist State persecute its own and why would millions of Jews flee to the US? No answer to that? I didn't think so.

With respect to bankers financing the Communist revolution in Russia. Hmmm....Does any one else see the irony of a wealthy BANKER financing a revolution whose platform was eliminating bankers and crushing individual wealth? Ironic, oxymoronic, moronic, your call.


Atheist. Hence, not-a-Jew.
Warrior on June 16, 2007 9:22 PM in Thrasybulus:
> You are ignorant my friend. You need to study the Bolshevik
> Revolution of 1917 and see the part the Jews played in that
> communist take-over of Russia. Trotsky (Jew)

Atheist. Hence, not-a-Jew.

> led the
> Revolution and 53% of the Bolsheviks were Jews.

Bolsheviks = atheists. Hence, not-Jews.

> Less tan
> 3% of Russia on the whole were Jews. The Bolsheviks were
> funded by Jewish bankers in England, the US and Sweden.
> Kaganovich (Jew)

Atheist? If so, not-a-Jew.

> was the butcher of the Ukraine. He is
> credited with killing more than 14.5 million Ukrainians in the
> early 1930s. Yagoda (Jew)

Atheist. Hence, not a Jew.

> was head of the secret police in
> Leningrad and he killed more than 1/4 of the population of
> Leningrad. Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote about Yagoda in
> his best selling book "The Gulag Archipelago". Karl Marx
> (Jew)

Atheist. Hence, not a Jew.

Etc.

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do you consider the freethinker/ atheist Ingersoll, the atheist Dawkins, the atheist Marx, and/or Mencken "bigots"?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141916925.353567.255240%40i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com

'antisemitism' in Germany during 1890+
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1150830236.400414.19570%40p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com

agree with Hitler about who 'Jews' are?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136226458.258397.34490%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com

[1871/ 74 Darwin]"Europeans and Hindoos... belong to the same Aryan stock.... Jews... belong to the Semitic stock"
[1872 Darwin]"Blushing is evident in all the Aryan nations of Europe.... The
Semitic races blush freely, as might have been expected, from their
general similitude to the Aryans."
[Darwin]"Dr. Saviotti in... 1871... remarks that it more frequently
occurs in prognathous skulls, not of the Aryan race, than in others"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132942108.117285.130610%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com

Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/10ac5d963dfa0eba?hl=en&

> wrote the Communist Manifesto.

did Marx and Engels plagiarize the New Testament?

Acts 4 (New International Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=4&version=31
32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed
that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared
everything they had.
33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the
resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them
all.
34 There were no needy persons among them. For from time to
time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the
money from the sales
35 and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to
anyone as he had need.

> Rosa Luxemburg and
> Karl Liebknecht( Jews) tried to establish a Communist
> government in Berlin but failed and they were murdered.
> Kurt Eisner (Jew) tried the same thing in Munich and he too
> was executed. Bela Kun (Jew)was trained in Russia and
> returned to Hungary to establish the Hungarian Communist
> Party and a government patterned after the Soviet Union.
> Jews ran the Communist Parties in Poland, Romania, and
> Bulgaria. Joe Slovo (Jew) established and led the
> Communist Party in South Africa. It is now generally
> accepted Stalin was a Jew--he was married to 3 Jewesses
> and his daughter Svetlana was married 4 times and 3 of her
> husbands were Jews. All I just said can be verified on the
> internet from multiple sources. Spend some time, educate
> yourself.

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"Fascist!" he shrieked.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1167413690.874628.159730%4048g2000cwx.googlegroups.com

Stalin allegedly preached atheism using Darwin bible
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=1175268167.876265.221930%40l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com

Stalin's Godless Five-Year Plan; anybody think Stalin a theist during WWII?
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=1175094642.518221.171080%40d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com

factoids on atheism-adherent Stalin's 1937-8 Great Terror
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1166240537.094725.53530%40l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com

Marxist-Leninist atheism-adherents responsible for the killing of 94+ million
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1167099703.362978.48000%40i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

atheism-adherent Mussolini science experiment disproved existence of God of theism
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=1177901807.528939.160150%40n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com

Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

IMO, an atheist can't be a Jew
Warrior on June 16, 2007 8:33 AM in Nazi vs Communist:
> This article is about the ACLU and Communism. Why the
> smoke screen about the Nazis?

Who knows.

some atheism-adherents' development and use of brutal terror tactics
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128703737.434501.234400%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

> We all know about Hitler
> and his group of thugs, why are you regurgitating off subject.
> The ACLU is heavily Jewish and Jews have been up to their
> ears for over 100 years in Communism.

Any atheist isn't a Jew, in my opinion.

agree with Hitler about who 'Jews' are?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136226458.258397.34490%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/10ac5d963dfa0eba?hl=en&

> Where is your
> research on that diabolical link and its destructive impact on
> the history of mankind.

"Link" between what and what, exactly?

> Here let me help with a few names
> Trotsky, Kaganovich, Yagoda, Karl Liebknecht, Rosa
> Luxemburg, Joe Slovo, Kurt Eisner, Bela Kun, and the list
> goes on. By the way, include the traitors that sold nuclear
> secrets to the Russians like the Rosenburgs et al.

Again, to reiterate: any atheist isn't a Jew, in my opinion.

lilly
Your wrote:

"I am especially interested in the position 'Who made up this rule anyway and why should we follow it' since for the past few days another townhall thread has defended homeschooling."

You say here, " . . . defended homeschooling," and it makes me curious. You seem to be hinting at a bias against homeschooling. Am I reading you correctly?

MyOpine
Yup, I would almost bet we are.

Liberty
I wish I could say you are wrong but I think we are both reading the same writing on the wall.

lilly
"But book-banning is a very slippery slope, and a free society stops being free when book-banning shows up."

No one is saying the books should be banned in society. What we are talking about is whether communities and parents should have the final say for what books are provided to their children. I think they do.

Lilly
You haven't read any part of that book yet, have you?
http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/

Where did Outcome-Based Education come from?
How about Goals 2000?
School-to-Work?

To Kodiak
If your solution is that any book objected to by any parent should be removed from the school, I truly hope you took a look at the website I suggested earlier today, PABBIS, Parents Against Bad Books in Schools. Go to their complete "banned" list in Adobe-Acrobat format. It includes many classics of English and American literature and many children's books that I expect you and I would agree are innocent ("Little Red Riding Hood" and "Charlotte's Web", for goodness' sake?) And when I was teaching I once had a mother come in to complain that I should not teach William Shakespeare or Nathaniel Hawthorne as their works were "too negative". Instead, she wanted me to teach The Reader's Digest, which she found uplifting and inspirational. Do you suggest that such a parent be allowed to dictate curriculum?

Please note that my post is not meant to champion the book Vamos A Cuba, which I have never laid eyes on, or Fidel Castro, or the Communist Party. But book-banning is a very slippery slope, and a free society stops being free when book-banning shows up.

I am a parent. If a book came along that I thought was full of error I would not forbid my children to read it---I would provide alternative materials along with it to give other points of view, and some discussion, and some directed research for them to do so they could find out WHY the book was full of error.

To Charlie
I am just guessing, but I wonder whether your "Good News" group may have been a religion-based group since the word "gospel" literally means "good news" in Anglo-Saxon ("god spiel"). Was it? And did your organization have a rule against bringing religion into the workplace?

To Liberty
I have never heard of the federal government deciding what books should be taught in a given school---have you? Curriculum is designed on the local level, either in the school or in the school district. And parents always have the right of opting their child out of a specific assignment. Sex education, for example. Or if the parent objects to a particular book being taught in English, a substitute assignment is made (with separate tests etc made up on the teacher's time, I might add). I don't know what happens now about biology vs Creationism since I left the public school system many years ago and do not have current information but I would expect the procedure to be similar. Parents have enormous rights.

As for the ACLU, they don't decide curriculum either. I believe they are an organization devoted to the law so I expect what they do for a living is see that the law is followed. Public opinion, or the opinion of a vocal and activist minority, is NOT the same as the law. If "Vamos a Cuba" was unlawfully removed from the schools (I don't know as I am not a lawyer) then presumably the ACLU acted to see that the law was followed. Period. And whether the ACLU was founded by a Communist, or whether you like Castro or not, is irrelevant. This article, as so many here seem to have missed, is about book-banning. Jeez, what is it about conservatives that makes them so easily drawn in by a red herring?

Thrasybulus
You are ignorant my friend. You need to study the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 and see the part the Jews played in that communist take-over of Russia. Trotsky (Jew) led the Revolution and 53% of the Bolsheviks were Jews. Less tan 3% of Russia on the whole were Jews. The Bolsheviks were funded by Jewish bankers in England, the US and Sweden. Kaganovich (Jew) was the butcher of the Ukraine. He is credited with killing more than 14.5 million Ukrainians in the early 1930s. Yagoda (Jew) was head of the secret police in Leningrad and he killed more than 1/4 of the population of Leningrad. Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote about Yagoda in his best selling book "The Gulag Archipelago". Karl Marx (Jew) wrote the Communist Manifesto. Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht( Jews) tried to establish a Communist government in Berlin but failed and they were murdered. Kurt Eisner (Jew) tried the same thing in Munich and he too was executed. Bela Kun (Jew)was trained in Russia and returned to Hungary to establish the Hungarian Communist Party and a government patterned after the Soviet Union. Jews ran the Communist Parties in Poland, Romania, and Bulgaria. Joe Slovo (Jew) established and led the Communist Party in South Africa. It is now generally accepted Stalin was a Jew--he was married to 3 Jewesses and his daughter Svetlana was married 4 times and 3 of her husbands were Jews. All I just said can be verified on the internet from multiple sources. Spend some time, educate yourself.

Luis
Those are good reading and viewing recommendations. I've read Whitaker Chambers' book, Witness. I've also watch the videos you mentioned.

Here's the thing. The effort is not contained in the Democratic Party, as we like to believe all leftists reside. We also have allowed them to more than infiltrate the Republican Party. On that same note, they're not just in the ACLU; they are strewn throughout our media, universities, foundations and government.

They've taken their sweet time to accomplish what they've done and I honestly think we are coming near to the End Game.

To lokietek1968
Parents' rights seem to be in the news a lot today. My local paper today has an article about parents complaining that the law won't let them: 1) smoke in a closed automobile with an asthmatic child; 2) leave an unattended baby in a car while they go shopping; 3) allow their teenage children to stay out after curfew; 4) transport young children without a carseat. Parents want to decide these things for themselves and not have the law saying what they can and cannot do.

On another front, recently the law here has been changed to extend the period that a teenager must drive on a Learner's Permit, and in other ways the learning-to-drive rules have been made more exigent. Parents want to decide that for themselves. Moving to another article, parents have been arrested during the recent Prom season for hosting parties where liquor is served to minors: parents want the right to serve liquor in their own homes to whomever they please and to teach their children to drink socially, without penalty. And one more: Letters to the Editors has a communication from a teenage girl who resents having to dress according to rules imposed by her school. She says that anything her parents allow her to wear should be acceptable to the school.

So: school dress codes, curfew laws, Driver's Ed, smoking, drinking, carseats---where is the line between what parents should decide and what the state should insist on? I remember seeing a program on Maury Povich (not sure how he spells his name, sorry) that featured preschool children weighing, like, 200 pounds, and the mothers insisted that they had the right to overfeed their kids (which they did, to a fare-thee-well). Should a mother have the right to feed her child in a way that endangers his health and well-being? And another memory: during the years I taught school, the 1970's, our school community was getting a lot of Vietnamese immigrants who traditionally beat their children to enforce discipline, sometimes breaking bones or rendering them unconscious (their societal norm)--and they were angry when this got them arrested for child abuse (our societal norm).Who decides?

These differences of opinion raise questions. Here's one more question: what's the definition of anarchy?

To jfp
Are you saying that we should not abide by the rules and usages of standard English? And is that a conservative position, then, because it sounds a lot like the sixties liberals who said, "If it feels good, do it". Trust me, agreement of pronoun and antecedent is expected in correct English prose. We often violate these rules in colloquial conversation, but in more formal written language---for example, in college research papers---adherence to the rules will be expected.

I am especially interested in the position "Who made up this rule anyway and why should we follow it" since for the past few days another townhall thread has defended homeschooling. Is that a homeschooling philosophy, then---why should we follow the rules, and let's make up our own?

Thrasybulus
When you have that much wine with your dinner and come here to TH silly drunk people can't smell your breath over the net and they think you are just plain crazy.

Warrior
Yes, yes, and don't forget about those Talmudian Satans Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Mihn and Pol Pot. Oh and I hear Castro, Chavez and Kim Jung Il were Bar Mitzvahed at the same temple.

The Soviet Union was fiercely anti-semetic. Jews were prohibited from holding high ranking Party posts as well as enrolling in many prominent universities.

I think you need to stick to the neo-Nazi websites and not venture out into the sane world, my friend.


Warrior
Is this sort of in line with what you are saying?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41751

Warrior
"What rubbish--The ACLU exists to destroy our Republic. The ACLU is Communist to the core and they always have been. Anyone with a speck of decency and a modicum of integrity knows who they are and what they intend. The ACLU should be tried for sedition at a minimum and treason at the maximum."

The key words in your post are "speck of decency", and "modicum of integrity". Two qualities (among many others) that liberals/commies do not have. They hate America (at least the America that was founded upon Judeo-christian principles), and will take the side of any anti-American organization, group, country (like Cuba), regime, and individual.
Until we learn how to combat this enemy (liberals) within, we will never be able to defeat our enemies without.

To Anne
Gotta go for tonight; keep them all honest.

Warrior: no more brains hasn't a clue!

Unfortunately, there are more people than I thought who have no real clue about the ACLU and Roger Baldwin.

It's absolutely amazing to me that so many are so ignorant. Boggles the mind.



Warrior
There is no way "no more republicans" believes this. He has to be sitting back at his computer and laughing at the reactions. I just cannot believe anyone is sincerely that stupid.

no more republicans
In your 9:07 AM you write:
"The ACLU exists to defend the Bill of Rights".

What rubbish--The ACLU exists to destroy our Republic. The ACLU is Communist to the core and they always have been. Anyone with a speck of decency and a modicum of integrity knows who they are and what they intend. The ACLU should be tried for sedition at a minimum and treason at the maximum.

CharlieS: no more brains? LOL

That's BRILLIANT!!!!! :-)

I'll send the email now...


no more republicans
JFP: "As for Cuba, if it is such a progressive place, why hasn't Castro resigned so that a woman or a black can rule?"

You: "This was the stupidest and funniest thing you wrote. I'm not going to respond, I just wanted to point out such a dumb question."

I knew you wouldn't be able to respond to it.

And why exactly is it dumb? Calling it dumb doesn't make it dumb. Is it dumb because of course a vicious and evil dictator like Castro isn't going to resign? Yes, I agree. But I don't think that's what you meant. So whatever it was that makes my question dumb, let's hear it. Maybe I'll learn something (though I doubt it).

Commie ACLU foundations never abandoned
The Commie foundations of Baldwin/ACLU have never been abandoned. Their politics today appear to be a little different from Baldwin's day, but that is only appearnace: Today's ACLUers, Romero and those perverts, want exactly the same thing that Baldwin wanted, and an analysis of the cases they take (throw out the occasional case taken to, somehow, make them not look so extreme) will show that. Anyone who has not read Commies by Ron Radosh or Witness by Whittaker Chambers should do it immediately--you can't read these books and not understand lefties yesterday and today.

And, please take the time to watch these videos. Assuming that Bezmenov is indeed an exKGB agent, and that he is not doing the interviews for ulterior purposes, WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO! This patriot will do everything, unto death, to destroy the ACLU and the lefties.

Former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov
explains what is going on in our country.

Bezmenov on Marxists, useful idiots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5vD3wuFMrE&mode=related&search=

Bezmenov on American mass media
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCDFmaJyB0Q&mode=related&search=

Yuri Bezmenov on demoralization
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE8MCSu_K-A&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqd-x0omd_o&mode=related&search=

SteveL
"Except for John McCain, no other major Republican figure is standing up for personal civil liberties and personal privacy anymore."

Actually, there is one. Mr. Constitution... Ron Paul.

Here is a discussion on getting away from our conservative roots of small government. It's a discussion between Tucker Carlson and the Governor of South Carolina, as I recall. The good part is about 3 minutes into the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKOCsBpcZfw

Lilly
re: banning books in public schools

I don't agree with banning books, in principal. However, I do think parents have every right to determine what books their children do or don't read. It used to be the case that the PTA had a lot to say about things like this; however, they've lost a lot of their power since I was a child.

I do think this should be left up to the community and parents whose children attend the school. It should be none of the federal government's business and certainly not the business of the ACLU.

"no more republicans" has a point
I hate to admit it,
but "no more republicans" has a point.

There used to be, in the GOP, a strong libertarian streak. We used to be concerned about the right to privacy, for example. How our personal and financial records could be used (or misused) by the Government. I recall how outraged conservatives were when it was revealed that 500 FBI files had somehow wound up in the Clinton White House. And we didn't like that Supreme Court ruling on the "takings" clause at all.

And as far back as the 1970's, William F. Buckley and the National Review had toyed with decriminalization of marijuana. Buckley does NOT believe that marijuana is such a threat to the American polity that we need a Federal War on Drugs to fight it.

But, partly due to the rise of social conservatism, partly due to 9-11, and partly due to loyalty to the Bush Administration, that concern has diminished and is nearly non-existent. Except for John McCain, no other major Republican figure is standing up for personal civil liberties and personal privacy anymore.

The GOP is now increasingly identified with authoritarian measures, from the PATRIOT Act to Gitmo to domestic surveillance.

I wish the GOP would balance that with equal concerns about individual privacy, but they don't anymore. Perhaps they should ask themselves how they would feel if all this paraphernalia of Government surveillance, intrusion, "free speech zones," etc., were in the hands of President Hillary and used against pro-life demonstrators. Because that could still happen.



Breaking News
Speaking of lawyers, NIFONG disbarred.

one big ad hominem attack
Attacking the very true Communist leanings of Roger Baldwin (who passed away 25 years ago) still amounts to an ad hominem attack on today's ACLU, and one that is worthless.

When ACLU attorneys argue a case, the judge or jury doesn't decide the case on the basis of the political leanings of the attorneys for each side. The case is usually decided on the merits of the arguments presented.

In fact, the few times that has not happened, it has inflamed conservatives as much as liberals. (Remember how O.J. Simpson's lawyers managed to defend him by pinning a "racist" label on Mark Fuhrman?) It it all too easy for liberal lawyers to play the "racism" card to win their cases; let's not play the "Communism" card to make our case.

If you have a problem with the ACLU winning cases, then your real beef should be with the liberal judges who are sympathetic to such arguments. But the time to deal with that is when those judges are nominated. Senate Republicans let Clinton's nomination of Ruth Bader Ginsburg to the Supreme Court slide through without much opposition. They didn't question her ACLU background as much as they should have.

Vic : Gottcha! :-)
.

To Anne
Please send me an E-Mail as well.

CharlieS: Great post!
It's me, "Lynne."

I'll send you an email and explain. :-)

no more Republicans is truly an insensitive, crude, rude idiot! It absolutely amazes me that there are kids who were raised by responsible parents and have a real sense of responsibility and "manners" like Jeff, and then there are people like "no more."









no more republicans: Sorry for the typo


I meant to say, "What a SHAME that you weren't brought up better than that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"





no more republicans: your 10:04AM post

No wonder you're a loony-toons liberal! You're a stupid idiot!

You REALLY don't get it!

"....and it is a fairy tale."

There are many people who are clearly much brighter, more intellignet and educated than you obviously are, who do NOT consider the Bible a "fairy tale."

What an ignorant put down of other peoples' beliefs.

What a same that you weren't brought up better than that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



agreement pronoun/antecedent
Lilly, it has been a long time since you libs cared about such exactness as a pronoun agreeing with its antecedent. Fuzzy English, fuzzy math, fuzzy everything has been invented and pushed by the libs so that Johnny's little ego won't get bruised, so his self esteem inflates, even though it is clear that inflated self esteem produces antisocial behavior--which, now that I think of it, the libs want because the phenomenon produces more clients for their hallowed big government.

It is interesting how the libs toward the end just somehow faded away from posting on this subject. I wonder if the material that was presented to them took hold, somehow?

I agree with another poster, send a couple of bucks to the US Justice Foundation, to FIRE, to Stop the ACLU--those bucks will have a positive effect. We are winning, don't doubt it.

Hi Liberty
I just had a good example of "Careful what you wish for".
I complained about the condition of the levee in front of my summer place so they fixed the levee.

Levee looks fine with fresh new rocks.
AND;
They felled a large tree across my gangway.
Power & fresh water both run under that crushed gangway.

I have a lot of work left to do.

Perhaps the ACLU should
open an office in Cuba and litigate 1st Amendment cases there. LOL

Censorship and Cuba
This is not a case of censorship on the part of the parents objecting. The context in which this book appears is not that of fiction. It is part of a series which pretends to give a pretty complete view of a particular country. How can anyone write a book about Cuba and not mention the lack of freedom, the deprivation, and, most importantly, the political prisoners? Any child reading the book in the context of school will consider it authoritative. I am as against censorship as anyone, but educators have a duty to present facts, all the facts, not just those that suit their world view.
Let's not forget that many, if not most, of the children in Miami are the children of people whose families were forced to leave Cuba to escape the repressive regime. Here is the ACLU and the librarians once again denying their experience and what they know to be fact.

typo
strike "way" in the next to last sentence. Sorry.

Anne (aka Lynne)

"And, add to that, the dumbocratic socialist agenda that includes "socialized health care" which both hillary and obama have promised should they win..... we could be in a world of hurt!"

Yes, and it's not just Hillary, Obama and the ACL that is doing it either. What do you think both sides of the Congress are getting ready to do to us with the immigration bill? How about Bush's Security and Prosperity Partnership? Do you understand that this is included in the immigration bill? Ever taken a look at any part of what the working groups have been doing under this? What do you think the big government managed trade agreements are all about? What about our participation in the UN and all its associated NGOs... think that is all about preserving our liberty? What about the selloff of our country's infrastructure... is that about preserving freedom? Oh, and the biometric national ID card that we will soon all have to carry and present upon demand... that's definitely in line with the Constitution and all about freedom, right?

The ACL was founded by a communist and certainly is not a group that I would waste a tear on if it was dismantled, but we have way treason going on at much higher levels.

MyOpine
Where ya been? I was getting worried about you.

4freedom
You failed to mention the ACLU's usual client!
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=4837&printer-friendly=y

no more republicans....
Concerning your post @ 11:53am, I have a better idea, since you said "I can't wait to visit there", why don't you MOVE there and STAY there and don't forget to take your Communist Manifesto book with you. And that goes for the rest of you Commies (Libs) out there. I'm sure you'll be very, very, happy living there. Ha! Ha! Ha!

Solo610: Your 2:37PM post! EXCELLENT!!!
I just got back, and was ready to get that information together... So glad you got to it first! ;-) Excellent job!

And, yes folks, that's what we mean by tax payer money... Not that it comes out of our paycheckes as "deduction" but it comes from our states and municipalities, etc., which IS our tax money.

Got it now?

And, add to that, as was mentioned above, I believe, our many "leftist activist courts" the ACLU is taking us in a pretty straight line toward communism.

And, you doubters, do some homework. Google Roger Baldwin and see what you find. You might be surprised.

And, add to that, the dumbocratic socialist agenda that includes "socialized health care" which both hillary and obama have promised should they win..... we could be in a world of hurt!




Alternative

For those who would like to see a little balance to ACLU, I have been contributing to: United States Justice Foundation.

They have been around for about 15 years and are making themselves known for providing a Conservative Voice in the Courts.

The ACLU gets about 6 million dollars a year from its members. If the USJF was getting that much, it would be a much bigger voice than it is.

Google them and get more information about them!

ACLU: Totalitarian in the midst
That ACLU is a totalitarian organization is evident by its history and attack against Christianity and America. It is very interesting to know that ACLU’s main “enemy” is traditional Christianity based on the teachings of the bible and the values that comes from it: traditional family, sanctity of the unborn, the observance of Christian traditions in public places like” prayer, biblical reading, the posting of the Ten Commandments and sexual abstinence.

The ACLU has framed very well its strategy. By using our Bill of Rights, which is really ironic, since they do not believe that America is the greatest country of the earth, the ACLU has engaged in erasing Christianity from American history: removing of Ten Commandment from public places, prayers and bible reading from public schools. Opposition to teaching abstinence in public schools. Destruction of parental authority over their children. Promotion abortion as early as pre-teen years with no parental notification. Teaching and promoting homosexual relationship in public schools from kinder all the way to High School graduates. The ACLU openly supports the teaching of the antiscientific theory of evolution in public schools and oppose religiously to alternatives theories to the origin of life.

The ACLU’s hatred to Christianity has gone to the extreme that even small unnoticeable crosses in seals of Counties and cities are more important than the presence of Muslim terrorists in America. Never, in all the history of the ACLU, has been a official denounciation of the attocities of Communist murderers like Fidel Castro, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, Stalin and the worst racist Che Guevara.

It is clear that the ACLU’ main purpose is not the preservation of individual civil liberties, but the establishment of a Communist Stalin-style type of government, where Christianity is outlawed, and a totalitarian nature of government is in power. And they have been working to become America in a gulag since its inception.

By the method of brainwashing, the ACLU has sold lies to the American people like the killing of the unborn is a “constitutional” right, that homosexual marriage is “natural,” and the displaying of the Ten Commandments, prayer and bible reading in public schools and workplaces is a “violation” of the “separation of Church and State.” Pure Communist totalitarian lies by the bully ACLU.

ACLU itself is a disgrace to America and all Americans. Surely, it uses the Bill of Rights to destroy America. Actually, ACLU must be prosecuted for violate the religious rights of Christians in America. Enough is enough. The ACLU must be exposed for what it is: a Totalitarian communist organization that hates America and is working to accomplish its social agenda, which is the establishment of a totalitarian state. The ACLU is not for the “little” guy, the ACLU is for totalitarian control and the suppression of civil liberties.



ACLU=american COMMUNIST LEADERS UNION
How do these communists know about a book on cuba being removed from a library? BECAUSE ALL OF OUR COUNTRY AND OUR COUNTRY'S GOVERNANCE IS INFILTRATED WITH COMMUNISTS.

HOW AND WHY? DOES OUR COURTS OF LAW AND OUR HALLS OF JUSTICE ALLOW THIS COMMUNIST ORGANIZATION TO EXIST??? This organization usurps our laws and twist them until a Judge, who is a communist, decides for the communist organization, american COMMUNIST LEADERS UNION.

Remember the hammer & sickle union !!!!

What I would like to see
is how often the ACLU has had to pay when the lose a case.

In fact
unless you are just looking to play devil's avocate here i cannot believe anyone would see them as anything less than a cancer of this country. They are part of what is rotting us from the inside out. It has been suggested that they file as many lawsuits as possible in hopes that the payoff from the amount they win will make it worth it. They are taking your money to with these baseless lawsuits.

Knight
Some research is in order here. They get plenty of tax payer money.


CLU Generates Revenue in Courtroom Campaign

$156,960 = Nebraska

The ACLU was awarded $156,960 after a judge overturned an amendment to the Nebraska Constitution defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The amendment was approved by 70 percent of Nebraska voters.

$790,000 = San Diego

The ACLU was given $790,000 after suing to nullify a lease between the city of San Diego and the Boy Scouts of America. A federal judge sided with the ACLU, ruling that the Boy Scouts are a religious organization because they require kids to pledge an oath to God and promise to live a ?morally straight?

$150,000 = Barrow County (Ga.)

The ACLU was awarded $150,000 after suing to remove a display of the Ten Commandments from the Barrow County Courthouse.

$615,500 = Florida Supreme Court

The Florida Supreme Court established the Florida Bar Foundation and then commissioned the foundation to provide $615,500 to the ACLU of Florida between the years of 1990 and 1997.

$121,500 = Kentucky

The ACLU was awarded $121,500 after suing to remove a monument outside of the Kentucky Capitol building.

$277,000 = Kentucky

The ACLU was awarded a whopping $277,000 after suing to overturn a state law against abortion in 1994.

$299,500 = Kentucky

In 2001, the ACLU was awarded more than $299,500 after suing to overturn abortion regulations in Kentucky.

$50,000 = Tennessee

A Tennessee County was forced to pay the ACLU $50,000 after losing a legal battle to preserve a display of the Ten Commandments.

$37,037 = Loudoun County (Va.)

The ACLU was awarded $37,037 after winning a lawsuit to prevent a Loudoun County (Va.) from installing pornography filters on public library computers.

$175,000 = Alabama

Following the lawsuit, involving former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the rotunda of the Alabama Supreme Court building, state taxpayers were forced to pay nearly $550,000 in attorney fees and court costs. Of that, $175,000 went to the ACLU.

$63,000 = California

Taxpayers were forced to give the ACLU a whopping $63,000 after their lawsuit to remove a World War One Memorial Cross from the Mojave National Preserve.

$74,462 = Habersham County (Ga.)

The ACLU received $74,462 from Georgia taxpayers after suing to remove a Ten Commandments display from the Habersham County (Ga.) Courthouse.

$25,000 = Pulaski County (Ark.)

The ACLU was awarded $25,000 after suing an Arkansas county for telling the child?s parents that the 14-year-old boy was living an openly gay lifestyle in school.

$135,000 = Cobb County (Ga.)

The ACLU is scheduled to receive $135,000 from Cobb County taxpayers, after suing the county to remove warning stickers from the district biology books. The stickers simply read, ?Evolution is a theory, not a fact.?

$75,000 = Pasco (Wash.)

The city of Pasco, Washington was forced to pay the ACLU $75,000 after they lost a lawsuit to remove the painting of a naked woman from the Pasco City Hall.

$52,000 = Seattle (Wash.)

Residents in Seattle, Washington, were ordered to pay $52,000 to the ACLU ? for defending a student?s ?right? to mock the assistant principal in a sexual online parodies ? sodomizing Homer Simpson and appearing in Viagra commercials.

$6,000,000 = American taxpayers

The ACLU, along with other pro-abortion organizations, have shared in court awards estimated to be worth roughly six million dollars following the Supreme Court?s decision in which they declared the Nebraska partial birth abortion ban unconstitutional. Reportedly, these lawsuits affected thirty states.

$18,000 = London (Ohio)

After suing London, Ohio, for allowing their football coach to host a voluntary prayer for athletes, the ACLU was awarded $18,000 in attorney fees.

$110,000 = Multnomah County (Oregon)

Incredibly, Multnomah County taxpayers were asked to pay a whopping $110,000 after the ACLU sued them for allowing the Boy Scouts of America to recruit on public school campuses.

$111,000 = Operation Rescue

Operation Rescue was ordered to pay the ACLU $111,000 after losing a lawsuit in which the ACLU sought to prevent the organization from picketing near abortion clinics.

$230,000 = San Diego (California)


We, The People, call upon our elected representatives to amend USC section 1988 so that fees are not awarded to the ACLU or any other plaintiff in Establisment Clause cases. We wish for the Free Expression Clause to implicate at least the same financial incentives as attacks upon faith currently have.



GnuCarSmell
Stalin neatly summed up the ACLU's agenda when he said “America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.”

This was a great quote, nothing could be a more appropriate statement about the ACLU.


ONE OF THE DIETIES OF THE ACLU
Ruth Bader Ginsberg.
This woman has acted as lead councel for such notable plaintiff's as NAMBLA,and others.
This Bolshevik champions 12 year old girl's rights to unfettered abortion on demand.The right of 'big government', as I've heard some of the moonbats post here, to take away private property for the good of the state so the state could make more in tax revenue. And, I might add, to do so in a way that leaves the property owner no way to file for redress or to even challenge such action in a court of law.
Like I've mentioned in other columns, they are looking to take away our right to vote and referendums and replace it with government by fiat.
They just bang a gavel and we're supposed to live with it.
Some of the moonbat lefties here have said they 'interpret the Constituiton.'
Sure, moonbats.
Like giving rights to individuals who are not citizens of this country.
Using European and other foreign statutes as basis for law in THIS nation.
Disavowing international rules like those of the Geneva Convention to justify the means to their ends. Rules that are recognized by dozens of nations around the world.
Or just making it up as they go along.
Maybe when they first took action against institutional injustices like segregation they interpreted the Constitution.
Nowadays it's more like they interpret the Communist Manifesto.

Just the facts please
It should be a crime to disillusion our youngsters. How the heck are they going to amount to anything? The ACLU has manufactured enough rope to hang each and every one of their members. Our kids are precious; there minds are our next installment on good retirement years that we will spend admiring their accomplishments.

What ACLU Founder Actually Said
Stalin neatly summed up the ACLU's agenda when he said “America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.”

True, Stalin did not found the ACLU, but Stalin certainly inspired Roger Baldwin to do so -- and for the same purposes: to undermine America's patriotism, morality, and spiritual life. As Baldwin himself wrote in 1936, “I am for socialism. I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.”

It is fitting that when Baldwin wrote those words, his mentor, Stalin, was rounding up and exterminating millions of innocent people who were not buying into the "workers paradise" fantasy that he and Baldwin so dearly loved.

Aging Commie Leftover Union
I love the way the libs come running to defend this bunch. The ACLU has done more to deplete American freedom than any other single organization. They have tried to remove christianity, a fundamental part of America's heritage, from every phase of life. It is precisely because of these people that frivilous lawsuits have risen so dramatically over the last forty years.

It's About America
If the judges in this country did not embrase the left with such vigor, the ACLU would not have a leg to stand on. Face it, this country is becoming more and more communist everyday, as we try to be so politically correct. The sad thing is that these judges who enforce this correctness don't realize the ultimate fate. Sharia Law is right around the corner. One way or the other, we, as a country, are facing the evil forces that will bring us down unless we get cautiously smart, fast. It ain't gonna happen.

What about parent's rights?
In all the ping pong postings of the liberals I have yet to see any realistic focus on the central issue: Parents wanted the book removed, and the ACLU insisted the government keep it on the shelves. The government did not audit the library and present them with a list of books the Republican administration found offensive. Parents objected to the government (public school) propagandizing their children regarding the joys of Cuban socialism. The ACLU insisted the government had a greater right to determine what went into the children's minds than the parents. In other words, the ACLU was arguing FOR government control, not the reverse. "The parents can withdraw their children," the liberal socialist may say, "the government isn't forcing them to go to school there." So if the parents remove their children, will the government give them their fair share of the education tax dollars to defray part of the cost of a private education. In other words, will the ACLU help the parents in their fight to receive school vouchers? "You can't use public funds (taken from parents) to fund private education (given back to parents)," the liberal socialist raves. So will the ACLU at least help the parents in their lawsuit to be taxed at a lower rate, since their children are not receiving the benefit of attending public school? "No," the liberal socialist cries, "it is essential that everyone 'gives' their 'fair share.'" The bottom line, what we're really talking about, is the government's "right" to control the education of children, and the ACLU's self-appointed position of guard and guide to the government's curriculum, so that the children are raised according to the ACLU’s liberal socialist agenda.

ACLU
The ACLU has done more harm than good in this country and the American Taxpayer is funding it with no say in it's activities. It is time to legally go after the ACLU and shut it down once and for all. This country did just fine before it was founded and it will do just fine without it!

To no more republicans
I might have more respect for the ACLU is they defended the 2nd Amendment against the gun grabbers as vigorously has they prevent us from being exposed to unwarranted copies of the 10 commandments.

Vamos a Cuba
This book has the same credibility as Ernst Zundel's book Did Six Million Really Die?

Hey Vic & MyOpine: It's me...Lynne
Is this "target rich" or what???

I have to get going, but I'll be back later on.

See ya. :-)


WRH Bill
You painted a rosy picture of the ACLU but can you show where they have done enough good to offset the harm they do America?
This is the sort of thing the ACLU is noted for;
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55964

The ACLU, with the help of activist Judges who substitute politics for published law, are busy justifying return to Vigilance Societies.

You can't deny justice for the majority to grant unjust favor to the minority without consequence.

No More Republicans
Have you ever actually spoken to anyone who ESCAPED from the thriving paradise of Cuba. Well, I have, and his description of the place puts it somewhere between gulag and hell-hole. The average Cuban would welcome the luxury of Gitmo.

Maybe if you would put down the bong, move out of your parents' basement, and stop using Dailykos as your sole source of knowledge, you would actually learn something.

Response- WRH to Anne
WRH: Do some research on Roger Baldwin
You'll be amazed!

Sear's article was BY NO MEANS an an all-out attack on the ACLU.

If you had any background information about Roger Baldwin and the beginnings of the American Communist Leftist Union, you'd know that.

You're missing my point I'm willing to stipulate, as the lawyers say, that Roger Baldwin was a Communist or Communist sympathizer who hypocritically defended the civil liberties of Communists while condoning the Communists' own denials of civil liberties. But that doesn't prove that all supporters of the ACLU were, or are, Communists. Or that defense of civil liberties is by nature a Communist cause.

Here's a suggestion for those who dislike the ACLU. Help form a real civil liberties organizaton. And I don't mean an "anti-ACLU" that just reverses the biases of the ACLU, defending "Christians" against "atheists" and "rightists" against "leftists" but not vice versa. I mean an organization that, as impartially as humanly possible, defends *all* Constitutional civil liberties for *all* Americans. Rightists *and* leftisits. Christians *and* atheists. People who want to exercise their own religion freely, *and* people who don't want to be declared second-class citizens, or worse, in a ""Christian natrion" because they're not Christians, or not religious believers at all. People who are accused of crimes *and* people who are victims of crimes. People who want to exercise their First Amendment right to express unpopular ideas, *and* people who want to exercise their Second Amendment rights to keep and bear arms.

Once an organization like *that* is up and running, I'll agree that the ACLU is obsolete and hopelessly inconsistent and ought to close shop. Until then, I think the ACLU is highly imperfect, and not above criticism, but still needed.



Ideology vs Reality
Socialists have a tough time with reality. They have to believe in the 'happily eating chicken with rice' (shh... don't tell your PETA friend about the chicken part ) version of Cuba because if they don't, they'll slam into the brick wall of reality. Ouch! How can you idealize communist Russia? They couldn't feed their people. Remember the toilet paper line skits back in the 70's about the USSR? I'll tell you why they must, they absolutely must continue to support socialism.... it's because they can't afford to be wrong. Yes, that's it - it's all about the ego. They can't handle the truth. Their fragile reality will crumble and people like me, hard working, reality based average joes will be right. All of their high falutin' elitist, behavior control based education will be wrong, wrong, wrong. You see, if they just excercised a bit of logic and bothered to look at unrevised history, they would learn that Capitalism actually succeeded in not only feeding people but, raised their standard of living. Socialism just falls apart.

no more republicans
Your 9:07 post;
"The ACLU exists to defend the Bill of Rights"
is pure fiction.
The ACLU exists to protect NAMBLA and any other abnormal perversion they can find that will injure normal Americans.

Anyone who doubts this should;
Google ACLU v Boy Scouts
This will show you HUNDREDS of cases brought against the Boy Scouts in an effort to force them to accept NAMBLA Pedifiles as Scout Masters.

You wanted an example of Progressives trying to eliminate free speech?
http://www.newsmax.com/scripts/printer_friendly.pl?page=http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/3/26/204713.shtml?=al

Parents have a right to protect their children from anti-American propaganda.
Defending propaganda is not defending free speech.
Schools should teach truth, not false propaganda.

Gabby: No, let's deal with THIS article!

Oh wait, you don't LIKE THIS article because it shows up the ACLU and their supporters (liberal dems) for what they REALLY are! Uh oh!

"...an article about the pro-Marxist Rockefeller republicans." LOL






no more republicans
You're kidding, aren't you? It is leftists who want to restrict our speech, especially on our college campuses. What do you think all the fuss about hate speech is? It is nothing but a restriction on our free speech.

If it is true that the Bible cannot be taught in the classrooms of a public school, because it would violate the rights of those who aren't Christian, how about those schools that teach the Qur'an? Doesn't that teaching violate the rights of those who aren't Muslim?

As for Cuba, if it is such a progressive place, why hasn't Castro resigned so that a woman or a black can rule?

Among other legitimate reasons our government has for restricting travel there, suppose some innocent American does something the Cuban government doesn't like and ends up in jail. He then screams to high heaven for our government to help get him out. But why should it? Why waste the effort? Yes, it's a restriction on our freedom, but it is a small one, and most people understand the need for it.

To no more republicans
Yes, the ACLU on rare occasions takes a real case involving freedom. For every case like that on (in Virginia BTW) it takes a hundred cases like NAMBLA.

And Cuba is a pesthole of socialism. The tourist areas are built up to attract tourists because that is the only thing they have as a money maker. These are the only areas that the tourists see.

The book, as described in the above article is a pack of lies.

http://stoptheaclu.com/

Free speech
I have to laugh when these libs say that they are the defenders of free speech.Try telling that to any conservative group at any college in this country,they all have free speech limits,but they are all directed at the conservative students.If you lefties are so impressed with the aclu I suggest you put your money where your mouth is and support them so the taxpayer doesn't have to.

What about the 2nd amendment?
The ACLU does not support our 2nd Amendment right to keep & bear arms. I'll admit that I don't know everything there is to know about this group, but I'm fairly certain that they are ambivalent at best about this issue. So, as a group that claims to support the liberties guaranteed by our Constitution, they come up way short on this issue.

lokietek1968/You make an excellent point

If PARENTS want a book (or curriculum) removed from a school, it should be the parents' choice...

But, when the ACLU gets involved, and takes the issue to court, then it's the GOVERNMENT that is making a rule that should, in fact, be the parents' choice.

This IS NOT rocket science, unless of course, you're a lefty.

ACLU is, indeed, killing this nation. Guaranteed, each and every poster who doesn't see what the ACLU really is has NOT done any research on Roger Baldwin and the ACLU, or they're really communists!!!!


ACLU Promotes License
One of the most disingenuous notions the ACLU and their supporters perpetuate is, “It fights for everyone’s right to free speech.” The ACLU does not "defend rights", it promotes license.

The ACLU has an agenda, and that agenda is revealed by the highly selective nature of the plaintiffs and defendants it chooses to represent. For example, take the case of White v. Lee. It involved three residents of a Berkeley, CA, neighborhood who protested the HUD conversion of a motel. The three protestors held neighborhood meeting, circulated petitions, and voiced opposition to city hall, all in a peaceful manner. They were ordered to cease and desist by the Clinton HUD Administration or face massive lawsuits for purportedly violating the “disabled persons” civil rights a la the Fair Housing Act. They were also ordered to turn over all lists of supporters and other records they had (and you liberals complain about library records). They filed a lawsuit against HUD, and even the Ninth Circuit Court was embarrassed into agreeing that their First Amendment rights had been violated by the government and found for the plaintiffs. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=9th&navby=case&no=9915098.

My question is, where was our beloved bastion of free speech, the ACLU? It was NOT the ACLU that came to the aid of the residents, it was another legal aid organization. Yet, if ever there was a classic First Amendment case, THIS WAS IT: the government was trying to silence political speech that the First Amendment was designed to protect. The ACLU should have come down on it hard with both feet. However, if it had, it would have put itself in the awkward position of being communists defending individual property rights, property rights being a concept that builds UP society.

By contrast, the ACLU chose to defend the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), an organization dedicated to the promotion of men having sex with young boys, a concept that tears DOWN society.

And so it goes, if you are accused of something that will dismantle society, the ACLU will be there Johnny-on-the-spot with a defense; if you (e.g., the Boy Scouts) want to build up society, the ACLU will have you in court faster than you can say their name. As far as their defending Rush Limbaugh is concerned, that’s just so much free PR for damage control.

As their founder pointed out, the ACLU has a political agenda, revealed in 1978 when founder Roger Baldwin said, "We've depended on the courts as the vehicle by which we assert OUR interpretation of the Constitution." (Emphasis added)

I like the way the libs here
dance all around the subject trying to defend the indefensable with the ACLU. The ACLU defends the bill of rights they scream. In reality the ACLU is destroying the constitution and the country. They only take cases that are contrary to what most Americans want. That was their original purpose as a subversive arm of the Soviet Government.

As for this article, how can anyone defend a group that wishes to place a book of lies on the shelf. Would the ACLU and the libs be so quick to scream that the bible be replaced on the shelves if it was removed from the library?

ACLU (Acronym explained)
A few additional meanings of the ACLU acronym.

Anti Christian Litigation Union

Admerican Criminal License Union

America Corrupt Lawyers United (for purposes of extortion)

Asinine Collection of Lumpheaded Utopians

I am positive that there are many more that are appropriate.

Lily
So what if the parents banned the book. They have the right to. If the kid wants to read it at home, let "him or her" do it. Parents should be given their rights back. ACLU is killing this nation with the help of commies like you and Gene Touchet.

ACLU AND COMMUNISM
To those that stated the ACLU exists to protect rights you need to read the information regarding the initial formation of the ACLU. They identified themselves as a communist organization upon inception. What they say they recommend and what they do recommend are two different things.

They objected to Marines praying together prior to going into battle because they are government employees and are violating separation of church and state.

This so-called civil rights organization back up hate speech laws. They also work towards restrictions on churches and the practice of religion.

One book they have worked to ban in schools is the Bible. The Bible is a book.

Gene Touchet: No even close!

But, spoken as a true lefty. "If it's what I think, it's perfectly correct and Constitutional. If it's not what I think, it should be banned."

Take a peek at Fred Thompson's column as well. He talks about the 1000lb. gorilla sitting in college and universities. Dove-tails beautifully with Sears' column.





WRH: Do some research on Roger Baldwin
You'll be amazed!

Sear's article was BY NO MEANS an an all-out attack on the ACLU.

If you had any background information about Roger Baldwin and the beginnings of the American Communist Leftist Union, you'd know that.




Peace_my_friend: Yes, you hit the nail
on the head!

And of course, Sears was spot on with his column!

The ACLU is truly the "American Communist Leftist Union." Make no mistake!

lilly's and Warrior's posts were nothing more than an attempt to go off on a tangent... away from the real issue, which is the ACLU, a 1000lb. gorilla, sitting in every public place in the US.


I say there can't be enough articles written about the ACLU and what it's doing to our country!





All-out attacks on ACLU not justified
I don't buy Alan Sears' premise that because one of the founders of the ACLU was sympathetic to Communism, the ACLU today must be a Communist front. Perhaps "leopards don't change their spots," but people are not leopards, and the people who form the ACLU today are not the same ones who created it decades ago.

This is not to say that I agree with everything the ACLU says or does now. In some respexts, on some issues, it goes off the rails. But I think it also does some good. I refuse to join in any blanket attack on the ACLU as an evil organization that ought to vanish from existence. And I'm suspicious of any politician or pundit who engages in such an attack. I'd like to see the ACLU change some of its positions, but if I had to choose, I'd rather see the ACLU continue to exist and do just what it is doing now, than have it disappear and not have anyone doing any of what the ACLU does.

Regarding the complaint about the ACLU trying to lift a ban on Americans traveling to Cuba, this makes perfect sense to me. *Not* because I admire Fidel Castro's dictatorship-- I don't-- or because I would choose to travel to Cuba and spend tourist dollars there myself-- I wouldn't. However, the fact remains that the American government telling Americans they *can not* visit Cuba is an infringement on Americans' freedom of choice. To say you support freedom is meaningless unless it includes the freedom to say or do things *you* disapprove of. Including traveling to Cuba.

the Aging Commie Lawyers Union...
and their new Freedom of Speech/Press poster girl Angelina Jolie are bound and determined to SQUASH any free speech that doesn't agree with THEIR free speech!

no more
The ACLU will defend the rights of pedophiles and contest the rights of Christians. Just what we need to make America better.

no more republicans
LOL. It is leftists these days who are attacking free speech, and of course the ACLU isn't interested in going after them. That's why organizations like FIRE have emerged.

lilly
Check out this page, which gives numerous examples of Jane Austen making the grammatical "mistake" you point out:

http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/austheir.html

What should these parents have said? What were their choices?

1. "Your child will be impacted if you let him read trash." You'd ding them for being sexist.

2. "Your child will be impacted if you let him or her read trash." Non-sexist, but quite awkward.

3. "Your child will be impacted if you let them read trash." Again, non-sexist, but supposedly ungrammatical. However, since it was used by famous and respectable authors, I don't see why the rest of us can't use it.

Who made up the rule about singular and plural agreement anyway, and why do we have to follow a rule that obviously was formed before the issue of sexist language was raised?

I think Synthesizer is trying to say
ACLU, Communism, Nazi, are all the same. The same murdurous lying totalitarians. They all have the same methods, goals, and results. You can play debat games with terms, argue players, and histories, in the end it is the same the power of the state in enslave people and force them into whatever particular form of earthly paradise they envison.

Does anyone ever actually follow the links people post?

The Real Subject of This Article
My post is not in favor of Cuba or Castro or Communism, but is a commentary on parents getting books banned from school libraries, obviously the subject of Sears' article, which devotes 50% of its space to "Vamos a Cuba". My understanding of what I just read is that 1) parents got the book banned; 2) the ACLU got it returned; 3) Sears chooses to present this series of events as a pro-Communist act by the ACLU since the book's subject was Communist Cuba.

How about this isn't about Communism about censorship (which the ACLU opposes)? Anyone curious to know what books have been banned or have been proposed for banning from school libraries has only to google PABBIS, Parents Against Bad Books in Schools, and read the list (complete lists are in the Adobe-Acrobat format). Why don't we pick a few banned books from that list and give them the Sears treatment:

THE SCARLET LETTER: "ACLU Comes Out in Favor of Unwed Mothers"

THE CANTERBURY TALES: "ACLU Acts Against Church-Goers on Religious Pilgrimage"

THE RED BADGE OF COURAGE: "ACLU in Favor of Cowardice on the Battlefield"

However, my imagination now fails me, since three more titles on the PABBIS list are "Little House on the Prairie", "Little Red Riding Hood", and "Charlotte's Web". You'll have to imagine for yourself why they might be objectionable.

Notice a few other things. 1) The PABBIS list includes many classics of literature. 2) PABBIS bans books in one big sweep from Kindergarten through Grade 12 without figuring out that a book unsuitable for a child at age 5 might be quite suitable for an 18 year-old high school senior (who may be taking an Advanced Placement English course and have a legitimate need to be reading some classic titles). 3) PABBIS admits, on its website, that the organization has not read or reviewed the books it lists for banning. All that's needed is a parent's complaint. 4) The complaining parent need not have read the book either---just thinking that the book MIGHT be bad is enough to get it on the PABBIS list.

Finally, a catty note: as a former English teacher I can't resist pointing out that whoever wrote the PABBIS website (the purpose of which is to criticize the schools) has made numerous syntactical errors and appears not to know that a pronoun is supposed to agree with its antecedent noun (for example, "Your child will be impacted if you let them read trash"). So, ha ha on you, PABBIS: maybe we teachers aren't as dumb as you like to think. Whether some of the foremost literary classics of our heritage are "trash"---as you describe them---is another issue.

PS A serious exercise for parents, based in a true story: Thirty years ago when teaching senior high school English I assigned a novel that was part of the country curriculum, "The Catcher in the Rye". I handed out brand-new Perma-Bound copies of the book (owned by the school) to all students in my class. The next morning a boy gave me a paper sack containing his book, torn into pieces by his father, who did not want his 17 year-old son reading a novel in which a character uses swear words. Soon Parents' Night rolled around and I brought up the subject of "The Catcher in the Rye". A mother said this to the assembled group: "Yes, I had heard that the book was controversial but I had never read it. So I read it for myself. Then my husband read it. And we decided that we would discuss it with our son as he read it. We would talk about it as a family and see what WE thought of it."

I submit that the second parent was the wiser one.

Nazi vs Communist
This article is about the ACLU and Communism. Why the smoke screen about the Nazis? We all know about Hitler and his group of thugs, why are you regurgitating off subject. The ACLU is heavily Jewish and Jews have been up to their ears for over 100 years in Communism. Where is your research on that diabolical link and its destructive impact on the history of mankind. Here let me help with a few names Trotsky, Kaganovich, Yagoda, Karl Liebknecht, Rosa Luxemburg, Joe Slovo, Kurt Eisner, Bela Kun, and the list goes on. By the way, include the traitors that sold nuclear secrets to the Russians like the Rosenburgs et al.

The commercials

FOX has a parody of a news program called "The 1/2 hour News Hour". The "ads" for the ACLU are too close to the truth.

the Nazi SS rejected Christianity
Owings, Alison. 1993. _Frauen: German Women Recall the Third Reich_
(NJ: Rutgers University Press), 494pp. On Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Frauen-German-Women-Recall-Third/dp/0813522005

Therein appears a woman's recollection of an encounter with some young
SS people. The SS were headed home to celebrate a non-Christian
Christmas dubbed the "Festival of the Family." The woman recalling
this December 1936 story decided to speak up-- on 59:
_ _ I sent a short prayer to heaven and said, 'Well, for
_ _ me, Christmas is still always a Christian Christmas.'
_ _ '_Well_ now,' they [the young SS people] said, 'you
_ _ are so young, and only old women and so on believe in
_ _ the Christian religion.' Then they made fun of me.

Thyssen, Fritz. 1941. _I Paid Hitler_ (London: Hodder and
Stoughton,
Ltd.), 319pp. Translated from the original French by Cesar
Saerchinger. On 234:
_ _ Practically all the young people forming part of
_ _ the SS have abjured Christianity. The same
_ _ applies to chiefs of the young Hitlerite
_ _ detachments. Many are followers of the new
_ _ German paganism and hold rituals in honour of
_ _ Wotan, the Sun, or Nature, the mother of all life,
_ _ if they do not formally worship Hitler.

the Nazi Robert Ley was an atheism-adherent who worshiped Hitler and
Nature
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143171898.121370.76730%40e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com
1942 Nazi atheism-adherent Martin Bormann: "National Socialist and
Christian Concepts are Incompatible"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1167155551.253465.117650%4048g2000cwx.googlegroups.com
a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler and an an Ethical Culture i.e. atheist individual on 'God'
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136317045.783426.125490%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Segev, Tom. 1987. _Soldiers of Evil: The Commandants of the Nazi
Concentration Camps_ (NY: Berkley Books), 248pp. On Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Evil-Tom-Segev/dp/0425121712
On 82:
_ _ The SS made a great effort to provide its members
_ _ with substitutes for the religious customs, holidays,
_ _ and rituals the members knew from home.

Heiden, Konrad. 1944. _Der Fuehrer: Hitler's Rise to Power_,
translated almost entirely by Ralph Manheim, with Norbert Guterman
translating the last chapter and part of the prior chapter (Boston:
Houghton Mifflin Company), 788pp. Heiden also wrote _A History of
National Socialism_. On 751, 752:
At the universities, young S.A. or S.S. men gave so-
called lectures on philosophy (_Weltanschanung_)
which the students were compelled to attend. ....the
youthful teachers.... demanded that the students
memorize bloody gibberish such as the following
verses:....
_ _ Sharpen the long knives on the sidewalks, so that
_ _ they can cut the clergymen's bodies better.... When
_ _ the hour of retribution strikes, we will be ready for
_ _ mass murder!

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Hitler greatly admired his fellow atheism-adherent Nietzsche.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1167247411.828687.13380%4073g2000cwn.googlegroups.com

Lifton speaking of Himmler, in
ethics of concentration camp societies
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143041542.477944.172610%40i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com

Himmler block quote, in
Hitler's secular religion
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120837574.592972.268980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian
doctrine of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

1939 Goebbels: "The Fuhrer is... completely anti-Christian."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1145975885.494352.40950%40g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/10ac5d963dfa0eba?hl=en&

Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian, atheistic a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com

Edward Simon, probably originally in his Another Side to the Evolution
Problem, Jewish Press, Jan. 7, 1983, 248,
cited in
http://www.thedarwinpapers.com/oldsite/number12/Darwinpapers12HTML.htm#N_1_
_ _ I don't claim that Darwin and his theory of evolution
_ _ brought on the holocaust; but I cannot deny that the
_ _ theory of evolution, and the atheism it engendered, led to
_ _ the moral climate that made a holocaust possible....

A. Communist Leftist U. anti-Catholic?
Like the American Communist Leftist Union, the Nazis insisted upon the removal of crucifixes from schools and hospitals. See

Goebbels: "Goering... addressed a sharp letter to Bishops Galen... and Berning"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1126795650.014139.97640%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Like the American Communist Leftist Union, the Nazis didn't like the moral guidelines conveyed by the Jew Moses.

sandblast away the Jew Moses and his 10 Commandments?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1167317534.845204.208870%40a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com
Lifton speaking of Himmler, in
ethics of concentration camp societies
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143041542.477944.172610%40i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com

Like the American Communist Leftist Union, the Nazis didn't care for Christ-centered Christmas celebrations.

happy holidays, merry winter solstice
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1165898388.481038.306490%40j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Is the American Communist Leftist Union anti-Catholic?

once-devout Catholic Himmler "became, by the 1930s, a militant anti-Catholic"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/2074cf235b89c5fc?hl=en&

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Heydrich's "almost pathological hatred of the Churches"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1179798080.743194.308290%40p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com

atheists: think Adolf Eichmann knew how to handle the Bible?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1179538904.058663.217800%40l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com

atheism-adherents dynamited churches
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1175267355.454124.210170%40y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com

Stalin's Godless Five-Year Plan; anybody think Stalin a theist during WWII?
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=1175094642.518221.171080%40d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com

ACLU on pro-Nazis among ruling coalition in Austria
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133908145.393904.317150%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

atheism-adherent Mussolini science experiment disproved existence of God of theism
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=1177901807.528939.160150%40n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com
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