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Friday, March 09, 2007
Rebecca Hagelin :: Townhall.com Columnist
Thawing out from a "demographic winter"
by Rebecca Hagelin
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When the U.S. population officially hit the 300-million mark last October, there weren’t any celebrations. Most news organizations took note of it and moved on. Environmentalists and other liberals crabbed about having more people around to consume precious resources.

Fortunately, not everyone harbored such a jaundiced view of this milestone.

“We should celebrate more people, not bemoan population growth,” said Dr. Allan Carlson, founder of the World Congress of Families. “With birth rates plummeting in the industrialized world, America’s population growth is a hopeful sign.”

He’s absolutely right. When societies forget the fact that families are the very basis of civilization -- that they are, in essence, society in a microcosm, reduced to its most fundamental building block -- it’s from that point that they begin a slow but unmistakable decline into helplessness and despair. That’s why the World Congress is sounding the alarm -- most notably at the May 11-13, 2007 “World Congress of Families IV,” to be held in Warsaw, Poland. It’s billed as “the world’s largest conference of pro-family leaders and grass roots activists.” And that’s exactly what we need -- an unprecedented push from the pro-family forces -- if we’re to have any hope of solving a problem of this magnitude.

For the time being, we’re doing okay, fertility-wise, here in the U.S. Our fertility rate is 2.11 births per woman, right at what demographers consider replacement level. But other parts of the world are in serious trouble. According to the World Congress, the overall fertility rate for Europe is only 1.3. In Italy, it’s 1.2. In Spain, 1.1.

These kinds of numbers, quite frankly, spell doom for a country if left unchecked. There’s a reason that columnist Mark Steyn, who spoke at The Heritage Foundation in January, calls his latest book “America Alone” -- we’re about the only Western nation not in the throes of what he calls a “death spiral.” Consider Russia, with a fertility rate of 1.2. Britain is also below replacement level, at 1.6 births per woman. So is France, at 1.89 -- and a third of those births are not of the French, but of the new Muslim community that has moved into the country. Plainly put, France will very soon become a country that is not French at all.

It seems ridiculous to have to point out something so obvious, but a society that ceases to reproduce is on the road to extinction.

“How can a declining population maintain a nation’s infrastructure?” Carlson asks. “Who will man Europe’s factories, farms and armies? Who will pay the taxes for essential social services? A birth dearth provides far more challenges than a population explosion.”

No wonder governments are beginning to take notice -- and take action. Russian President Vladimir Putin, for example, has adopted a policy that offers a $110-monthly stipend to families that have a second child. According to Don Feder, director of communications for the World Congress, “Stay-at-home moms would receive 40 percent of their former salary, and families with two children would get a direct payment of $9,000.” Other countries are offering financial incentives for couples to have more children.

It’s an open question whether this strategy will work, especially when you consider how long we’ve been listening to the selfish, anti-population propaganda of the “population bomb” crowd. Our modern world seems so steeped in narcissism and so averse to welcoming new life that it likely will take more than money to stem the tide.

But despair solves nothing, which is why the World Congress of Families is bringing many of the best pro-family minds together -- to chart a path out of what Don Feder has called “the depths of demographic winter.” Among them will be The Heritage Foundation’s own Pat Fagan, whose pro-family research has illuminated the debate for a decade -- and helped many people to better understand the irreplaceable role the traditional family plays in our society.

If you’d like to help spread the pro-family message, I urge you to take some time to acquaint yourself with the principles espoused by the World Congress. Check out Allan Carlson’s book “The ‘American Way’: Family and Community in the Shaping of the American Identity.” He opens with an interesting overview of President Theodore Roosevelt’s pro-family policies. It’s a subject the president was refreshingly blunt about:

“I do not wish to see this country a country of selfish prosperity where those who enjoy the material prosperity think only of the selfish gratification of their own desires and are content to import from abroad not only their art, not only their literature, but even their babies.”

If Europe is ever to pull itself back from the brink -- and if the United States hopes to avoid a similar fate -- we need to realize that true prosperity can’t exist without families. Indeed, a world without babies is flirting with the most serious form of poverty there is.

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Teddy had
it right then, and nothing really has changed. People are self-centered, and want more for themselves. So what?

Muslims will soon dominate Europe, and some generations after that happens, they will begin to dominate in the USA.

The majority of 'replacement' births in the USA are currently from Hispanic and Black families, in that order.

In short, Caucasians will soon be the minority in the USA, Muslims may get their Islamic victory non-violently based on sheer numbers and the Hispanics will have to deal with it.

Silly
If the majority of 'replacement' births in the USA are currently from Hispanic and Black families, in that order just how is it that Muslims will begin to dominate the USA? Is it just because caucasians will be a minority? I can't follow this.Most Black Americans and Hispanics are Christians. Where do the sheer numbers for the Islamic victory come from.
Predicting doom and gloom for Europeans based on birth rates in Russia is nonsense. The nations of the world with the highest standard of living will always have lower birth rates than the 3rd world agrarian societies where you need kids as field hands.
I was born in 1967, we've added 100 million Americans since then. I'm not sure what percent is what color, but the last time I checked there was quite a variety of skin colors under the uniforms of our service men and women in Iraq. They all bleed the same color for their country.

Who will pay the taxes?
That's the reason for this Do It For America hysteria. If people don't start procreating right and left, pretty soon there won't be money for Goodies, and GASP! the goodies will have to be cut off.

After two generations of You Can Have It All And Someone Else Will Pay, the credit card is maxed out and the collection agencies are calling. Not only that, but Generation Whine is beginning to realize that the people who have been running the world are retiring and moving on to other pursuits, and now not only are the streets not paved with gold, but it's time for them to do the paving. One has visions of 40 year old "Adult Children" starving to death in their parents' home as Mom and Dad die and there's nobody to cook, clean, wash their clothes, or change the toilet roll.

Personally I'm tired of all these programs begging people to take big handsful of money out of the Giant Money Pot if only they will breed. Because all I ever get out of it is the invoice.

Like people who won't leave their high rise for a fire alarm, if they won't step up, let them die off. Who cares?

Problematic arguments
Both of you have it right, and wrong at the same time.
Pappy, I share Wanda's quizzical look; unless you are thinking that Black Americans are shifting to Islam, and will outnumber both Caucasians and Hispanics, or that we will have a mass immigration of Moslems like France and the UK experienced from their former colonies, your argument isn't valid for an Islamic majority in this country.

Caucasians in the US have a birth rate of 1.84, Blacks 2.2, and Hispanics 2.7. Given those numbers, and along with a huge immigration of Hispanics, I would bet on the US becoming a Hispanic majority rather than Islamicized.

Wanda, Russia is a 2nd world country, not a developed, first world country. In the HDI (Human Development Index) they rate at 67th, and in the GDP per capita index, at 62, below that of Botswana.

Their low birth rate is due more to social pathologies and economic chaos than to their standard of living, which is below par. Russia has a sizable minority of Moslems, which may well increase to become a majority in a few generations.

Demographics
The following is only about the US specifically. The article makes good points about Europe's current state.
One other thing that no one is mentioning about "where the US is going" is the increasing number of interracial marriages and children. This makes it much more difficult to assert that the black, white or hispanic demographic will be a certain way in 100 years or more. Because of the literal melting pot effect this has the future will be far less stark than some are contending.

Road to extinction??
With 6.5 Billion people, humans hardly are on the road to extinction through underoproduction. If the population would shrink by a factor of 2 (50% replacement) per generation, it would take centuries for the population to reach its level from 1800. The England that produced Newton and Shakespeare had fewer than 8 Million people. It now has over 60 Million. Even our 300 Million can't match 18-th century England for cultural accomplishments.


Future of the U.S.
Yes, there is no reason to believe that the U.S. will turn Muslim as a result of demography, but it may do so as a result of other pressures, specifically from multiculturalists, who seem to want to turn this country into Saudi Arabia.

LGM
"Even our 300 Million can't match 18-th century England for cultural accomplishments."

Thanks for posting another stupid one.

Yeah LGM, things were simply awesome in 18th C England. SO good in fact that those who could flee to the New World DID! People were starving to death and the rich folks just ignored the problem. Yeah, a real paradise. Rampant unemployment, debtor's prisons, and crime. It ranked up high on the misery index...unless you were a part of the royalty or rich aristocracy. Hmmm, kinda like during the Carter years in the USA and how the Librecrats think now! (Queen Red Nancy Pelosi)

BTW, the England of the 18th C IS NOT the England of today, where the most popular name is now Mohammed.


The US...
will have a population of ~500 million by 2050, if current trends continue. As suggested by Countryman above, the growth in US population is almost solely the result of immigration (legal and illegal) and births to first and second generation immigrants. I find it interesting to contemplate the US with a population of ~500 million, though I will not live to actually see it.

Interestingly Enough,
seldom are the Chinese mentioned, who not only have the numbers, but have often expressed openly the intention of confronting the U.S. - perhaps militarily (if they think they can succeed), but certainly economically - in the forseeable future.

As for the U.S., clearly she's deteriorating at a rate whereby whomever inherits her will demographically will not be around long to enjoy the victory. There is arguably no Latin American country that has ever progressed beyond its Byzantine corruption; ergo, any immigrant hailing from that region will bring that end along with them... nor will that corrupt culture be purged, as it has in the past, by assimilation to our - although imperfect, far better model of societal integration. And that lack of assimilation, of course, can be completely attributed to the warped cults of diversity and multiculturalism prevalent in our both our education systems, and, to a lesser extent, our business community.

Demographically, Hagelin is correct, our numbers are growing... But as so many have rightly pointed out in this exchange, the quality of our replacement bodies is dropping. I hope no one is too delicate to hear the truth about this...after all, the evidence is all around you. Today's generation has more access to information, yet is less inclined to understand exactly how to apply it. And once that happens, another sheep has been created to add to the maleable herd.

Learn Chinese or Hindi
Dr. Allan Carlson, is absolutely wrong. It is not the quantity that is important but the quality. Five hundred thousand more non-tax paying residents will exacerbate our problems not help them. It does not matter if they are imported or are homegrown.
Who exactly is fertile in America? I mean is it the ones who are likely to solve problems or be one? This has nothing to do with social status as determined by how much money you have. With only 1 in 4 couples with children married, what are we multiplying? These are families?
You presuppose there will be an England, a France, a Germany or wherever. China and India do not seem to be having problems reproducing. It is when you get fat and satisfied that you lose your instinct for survival, your need for sex and your willingness to allow anyone, including a child, to diminish any of your toys or free time.
As for a ‘World Congress’ on anything, I find they all have agendas, most of which I find distasteful.

This is all a circular
argument. I believe we discussed it about a month ago. Low birth trends are a self-correcting feature. Those people who do not wish to have children don't reproduce. If this is a trait passed on by heredity then they do not reproduce and people who do reproduce will begin to dominate. Having a high birthrate in a nonagrarian society is usually a sign of poverty. As these groups move into a more affluent status their birth rates will also decline. The only question that really remains is “will the correction occur in Europe before the Muslims become the majority.

Quality vs Quantity

.....Both feral1404 and Hustler bring up a good point ...is the quality of America deteriorating? ...

.....From my vantage point ...I would say yes ...the America I see today is unrecognizable from the America I knew as a child and the change has all been downhill ...

....Since Roe we have aborted 40 million potential citizens and replaced them with illegal aliens from a third world culture ...

.....If one takes a glass of red wine and keeps diluting it with water ...how long will it be before it is no longer wine? ...

.....If a horseman breeds a champion thoroughbred to a plow horse ...what is the result? ...a weak plow horse or a slow race horse! ...has the result improved either breed? ...

....I think America has lost it's way and we are spiralling downward ...I am saddened for my grand children ...

.....gee thanks guys ...I feel so much better now that I have given up all hope .....COLOSSUS

Negative Nonsense
Baseballdoc, Cheer up things ain't that bad

....I would say yes ...the America I see today is unrecognizable from the America I knew as a child and the change has all been downhill"

I'l take America today over the America I knew as a child. I'll take Iraq over Vietnam and the cold war. I'll take Bush over Carter. I'll take the this amazing economy over the infaltion, high intrest rates and closing factories of the late seventies. I don't know when you were a child, but for the most part things in my America just keep getting better and my children are inheriting a far better place that the one I grew up in. Lower crime rate, cleaner enviroment, more oppotunity for more people than ever before!

....Since Roe we have aborted 40 million potential citizens and replaced them with illegal aliens from a third world culture ...

very sad, but I wonder what our country would have looked like with 40 million unwanted children. Something to mourn. It may be that the children of today's immigrants turn out to be fine Americans. I wouldn't give up on them yet. I've seen Somali girls get dropped off in front of the grade school and take off their head scarf after their parents drive away. Many of these kids really want to learn and for all the problems they may bring in the end I'm betting immigrants will do what they have always done. Work hard, spend money and create jobs.

.....If one takes a glass of red wine and keeps diluting it with water ...how long will it be before it is no longer wine?

Hard to argue with that, I prefer the melting pot analogy and your assuming only water is being added and not more wine. Your also leaving evaporation out of your equation.

.....If a horseman breeds a champion thoroughbred to a plow horse ...what is the result? ...a weak plow horse or a slow race horse! ...has the result improved either breed?

Again your thinking were breeding a plow horse. I need to look at the quality of immigrants, but I'm not for in-breeding.

....I think America has lost it's way and we are spiralling downward ...I am saddened for my grand children

America has not lost its way or even hit much of a rough patch. Look at our history things have never been better. We have come a long way baby! I am envious of my grand children. I'll never have it as good as they're about to get.

He's Absolutely Wrong!
“We should celebrate more people, not bemoan population growth,” said Dr. Allan Carlson, founder of the World Congress of Families. “With birth rates plummeting in the industrialized world, America’s population growth is a hopeful sign.”

If 30 million of them are illegal aliens, with a stated objective of outbreeding the Anglo-Saxon race, and seizing our country; where is the celebration?
What is there to celebrate about clogged freeways?
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"We have an aging white America.They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population... I love it. They are shitting in their pants with fear. I love it.", "We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."-- Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas.

"Remember 187 (proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non citizens) was the last gasp of white America in California." -- Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party


"In recent years a new International System has been developing, oriented toward the establishment of norms and principles of universal jurisdiction, above national sovereignty, in the areas of what is called the New Agenda...we have to confront ..... what I dare to call the Anglo-Saxon prejudice against the establishment of supra-national organizations." -- Vicente Fox, to Club XXI, Hotel Eurobuilding, Madrid, Spain 5/16/02

Supra-national Indeed!

And this is how the guest worker population explosion serves the hostile corporate takeover of America:

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the NY Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings, and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years.
It would have been impossible for us to develope OUR PLAN for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a World Government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual ELITE and World Bankers is surely preferable to the national auto - determination practiced in past centuries."
- David Rockefeller (Rockenfelder) Humanist, CFR Kingpin, Founder of the Trilateral Commision, NWO Godfather June 1991 - Baden,Germany - Bilderberg Conference

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I'm all for the family, and a strong nation, but even Red China realizes that excess population is an impediment to superpower status. That is why they limit the amount of children their citizens may have.








Thawing out a demographic winter
One must assume that your numbers for America include the enormous number of immigrants, legal and illegal giving birth in our country. Otherwise, it would be impossible to explain this Amdinistration and House and Senate assertions that we are not producing enough workers. A life long conservative and until recently an RNC member, I've always had a problem with unlimited growth and expansion, particularly when one recognizes that the planets resource are finite, America, and American's should not be considered the "factory floor" for the world, nor can we continue to accept mass populations of immigrants regardless of how it benefits our "balance of trade". I note that no one has considered that the decline in births might also have something to do with the fact that having and providing for children in an overtaxed, over crowded, under served, socially and culturally amorpheus, industrialized nations has changed the way people look at having large families.

There was once a time in this nation, when, even if you were college educated, you could still earn a living wage doing construction or repairing cars if you chose. I'd surmise that if we again focused our priorities on America's citizens, on American's having more American babies, in American families, with opportunities for American's, we'd not only see a change in the stewardship of our resources, but me might actually see a resurgence in the social and cultural interests of American citizens.

Rather than exhaust our resources overproducing to feed the wheels of commerce, perhaps it's time for a little pull back and refocus on America for awhile!

Feminism and Population Decline
America has a birthrate that offsets it's deathrate however look closer at what is happening. We have the lowest marriage rates we've ever had as more and more men wake up to the one-sidedness of rights favoring women and mothers over men and fathers in Family Court. We have the highest single population in our history. The groups that are birthing the most are Blacks and Hispanics. In the Black community fatherlessness is at about 70%. For second generation Hispanic and higher the fatherlessness rate is even higher than in the Black community. Highschool graduations rates for these two communities is less than 50%. In comparison, the majority White population does not have a birthing rate at or above the deathrate. Whites are declining as a percentage of the overall population. In countries where radical feminism has taken hold and grabbed political dominance including most parts of Europe, Russia, the U.S., U.K., Australia, Canada, there is seen this same trend. Make no mistake, demographics is going to usher in major changes in the Western world. I don't think the changes are going to be good.

The big problem
...with government handouts to reproduce is twofold:

On the one hand, it is doubtful the extra money would do anything toward buying bigger living space for that extra child (thus will not be worth it for many), and on the other hand, the increase on the tax burden in order to pay for the new handout would drain the middle class even more, ensuring they would never afford children.

America has preserved its birth rate because we don't subsidize parenthood remotely as much as Europe does. It seems counterintuitive, but it works. Subsidies come from tax money. A popular target for raising tax money is property taxes. When you don't subsidize, you don't tax. When you don't tax, it keeps property prices within range of a middle-class family. When you have the room and the money to feed the kid, you have the kid.

As for the birth rates of Hispanics, hey---most of those high-birth-rate Hispanics are good little Catholics, and not a prime target for recruitment by anti-American forces. Hispanics are for the 21st century what Italians were for the 19th century. Eventually, they settle in and become as American as apple pie, even if it is an apple pie con tres leches.

There is no population crisis in the U.S
Funny, but whenever I visit a local Chuck E. Cheese or Bed Bath & Beyond (and this is in the Washington, D.C. area) I see any number of moms and dads with strollers, with real live babies and toddlers inside. Somebody must be having these kids.

This radical pro-natalist alarmism trafficked by Allan Carlson, Patrick Fagan & cos. is a crock. 300 million Americans is plenty. And if we are really serious about preventing Hispanics and Muslims from taking over our great country is not to outbreed them, but to keep them out!! It's called real immigration reform.

Let some in too!
I'm not sure about keeping Hispanic and Muslims out, but I think we should get control over which ones we let in. Let's take in doctors, nurses, engineers, computer scientists, farmers and entreprenuers of what ever stripe we can get them in. We're not making enough here anymore. Bill gates is dead on about letting the most talented people from all over the world come here to get educated and stay here to contribute their energy and enthusiasm to our economy.

Puhlease!
edweirdness, baseball doc, revolutionary, and garagemen -- all great posts! The idea that depopulation is a serious threat in our country or anywhere in the world is such a joke. The prospect of a doubling of our population this century (even though I won't be alive to witness this disaster) scares the hell out of me. Can we do it? Of course, but why the hell would we want higher numbers just for the sake of higher numbers.

This ridiculous article seems to make the false premise that large population increases are somehow pro family. To me the issue is quantity versus quality. Let's return the illegal invaders back to their homeland and gain some kind of sane demographic control over our country. If it is so necessary to at least have a replacement level (neutral) population growth then we can increase or decrease our legal immigration to reach this level. Plus we can pick and choose only the best of the best for entry into this country. Wake up Ms. Hagelin, this is not the 19th century. Keep the poor, the tired, the hungry masses where they are and let them fix the broken countries that we are being forced to subsidize.

Socailism does the opposite!
Has socialism stifled reproduction in China, India, Ethiopia?
Not all the immigrants or even a majority of immigrants knocking at Europe's doors are Arabs. France has large immigramnt populations from East Asia and Africa. Britian has large populations of people from the Indian sub-continent who may be Muslim, but are not Arabs. Western Europe is also experiencing a huge wave of immigration from the east. 250,000 Poles moved to England last year. Ireland is importing workers from Latvia, Lithuania and Laos.

Well
Well, I've done my part in procreating. Six kids, going for more. I feel old thinking about it. Believe it or not, some of the yuppie-IT "conservatives" over at Free Republic are resentful that large families get tax credits for their children. Somehow, it's not egalitarian or fair. And social security payments for eighty-eight year olds who contributed a pittance to the fund is fair?

If Western Civilization is to survive, Westerners will have to make and raise children. That means that tax policies will have to be child friendly to a greater degree than tax policies are today. There's no way around it.

Derek Leaberry
While I agree that tax policies need to avoid punishing marriage and child-rearing, which are things I prize and revere, sticking it to single taxpayers is not the right approach.

That may not have been what you, personally, meant. Congratulations on your six; children are assuredly a blessing from the Lord.

But I keep hearing things like "Single people aren't contributing to expansion of the entitlements tax base, so they should owe more of their income to the government than married and/or people with children do."

No one can think of a better reason than this to suggest that the single should pay more taxes than those with children. It's hardly an argument from reason or sense to say single people should be punished for being single, or that the law should treat them differently because of their marital or procreative status. Nor does it make any sense from the standpoint of a single person's use of public services that he is paying for, compared to the family of, say, seven, which is using public services for seven people with only one or two taxpayers.

It's the eminence grise of entitlements that hangs over the "stick it to singles" tax argument. But the Ponzi scheme that is the Social Security program is the ultimate self-imposed problem. We do not have it because people are single and childless; we have it because, by our collective leave, Social Security has never, for even one day, been an investment program for retirement, but simply a transfer program cloaked in the facade of worker contributions. It has been an open, public lie since the 1930s, and majorities across several generations have suffered it to be so.

There is NO valid reason why single, childless taxpayers should have to be treated unequally by the law in order to make America safe for a Ponzi scheme.

The right solution is to lighten our tax load so that making marital and procreative status tax-neutral cannot be considered punishing ANY group of people. We will need to wean ourselves off of ever-burgeoning entitlements, of which Social Security and Medicare are the biggest. These twin shibboleths of soft socialism aren't in danger of failing because there are single, childless people, but because they aren't ideas that work, no matter how many children people are having.

Logically, no society can outbreed the growth of an entitlement. The more people, the higher the entitlement bill. It's not people's taxpaying relationship to entitlement programs that makes them the greatest asset -- it's people's ability to transcend the mere cycle of survival, and contribute individually to the world, in ways far beyond mere production of goods and reproduction of taxpayers.


Black birth rate
Where is the belief that the black birth rate is high coming from? Like Asians and non-Hispanic whites, the non-Hispanic black birth rate in the US is below replacement level and falling. The facts:
Total Fertility Rate
(Expected lifetime births for women aged 15-44)
Race/ethnicity of mother 2004 2005 % Change
All races 2.046 2.054 0.39%
Non-Hispanic white 1.847 1.844 -0.16%
Non-Hispanic black 2.020 2.019 -0.05%
Asian 1.898 1.890 -0.42%
Hispanic 2.825 2.877 1.84%
Source: National Center for Health Statistics.

Edweirdness - Thawing....
I couldn't resist responding to your rambling, and insert comments about flaws in your thinking:

edweirdness writes: Friday, March, 09, 2007 12:37 PM
Thawing out a demographic winter
One must assume that your numbers for America include the enormous number of immigrants, legal and illegal giving birth in our country. Otherwise, it would be impossible to explain this Amdinistration and House and Senate assertions that we are not producing enough workers. A life long conservative and until recently an RNC member, I've always had a problem with unlimited growth and expansion, particularly when one recognizes that the planets resource are finite (finite in a theoretical sense; just what are we running out of? And when they do become scarce, far in the future, American ingenuity and price demand will invite profitable exploration and exploitation of other bodies like the Moon, asteroids, Mars; and solar energy from orbiting panels is endless for the next couple billion years.)

America, and American's should not be considered the "factory floor" for the world (We're the factory floor of the world because we have the greatest productivity - brains applied to resources. And no one is taking advantage of us because of that, we are paid for what we produce in a satisfactory trade of money for product.)

nor can we continue to accept mass populations of immigrants (I'll agree there, but am lost about the rest of your sentence; immigrants have nothing to do with balance of trade, and if you would read someone such as Thomas Sowell, you would realize that "balance of trade" is a red herring and a meaningless phrase.)
regardless of how it benefits our "balance of trade".

I note that no one has considered that the decline in births might also have something to do with the fact that having and providing for children in an overtaxed (One thing you said that's right.)

over crowded (Overcrowded? The US is 172 out of 230 countries in population density)

under served (Under served by whom? The government isn't serving us enough? You want cradle to grave service?)

socially and culturally amorpheus (Huh? You can't find a more diverse people in any country than the US. Go from the Hamptons on Long Island to a single family ranch in Wyoming, to a town in the Lousiana bayou, to mid town Los Angeles, to a working class suburb of St. Louis, then come back and tell me about a socially and culturally amorphous nation.)
industrialized nations has changed the way people look at having large families.

There was once a time in this nation, when, even if you were college educated, you could still earn a living wage doing construction or repairing cars if you chose (Many people still do earn a living wage in those jobs, without a college degree. Have you heard of an employed construction worker dumpster diving at night to get supper for his kids?).

I'd surmise that if we again focused our priorities on America's citizens, on American's having more American babies, in American families, with opportunities for American's, we'd not only see a change in the stewardship of our resources, but me might actually see a resurgence in the social and cultural interests of American citizens (You mean that Americans no longer have social and cultural interests? Not sure what you mean by that at all).

Rather than exhaust our resources (See above, but we're not anywhere near exhausting our resources; most are self-replenishing, like plants and animals, or are recycled like scrap iron and aluminum.)
overproducing (Overproducing? There are manufactured goods going to waste, rotting in warehouses somewhere as they did in the USSR during the Thirtys while people starved to death?)

to feed the wheels of commerce (Feed the wheels of commerce...you mean you'd like to see commerce come to a standstill, or slow down? You need a basic course in economics - when you slow down commerce, people lose their jobs; is that what you mean?)

perhaps it's time for a little pull back and refocus on America for awhile! (Hmmm, so slowing down our economy and not using so much of those precious resources will increase the birth rate among citizens, and decrease the number of immigrants. Sounds like cutting off your nose to spite your face. "We'll show you, we're slowing down our economy so you can't come here and get a job! So there!")

Check, you're out.
Taking the Steyn line? Guess you'll go in the 100% wrong category with him... You people are just bleeding wonderful. Whatever you say we can count on to be wrong. Europe won't turn Islamic... Muslims aren't diplomatic enough to pull it off.

Demographics is pretty complex...
... accounting for birth rates, death rates, life expectancies, migration, education, economic productivity, and a host of other factors.

But understanding what to do isn't really that difficult. There is plenty of land and resources in the world to support virtually unlimited population growth. Necessity is the mother of invention and any time we face a scarcity of resources like housing or food or energy, we either invent new technology, find alternatives, become frugal, move on, or something. We never would have had or needed high rise buildings without population growth. We never would have developed mechanized intensive farming without population growth. And on the up side, without population growth, we may not have ever had the inventors and entreprenuers who have improved our lives. In this regard, imagine life without modern medicine, air-conditioning, automobiles and airplanes, television, computers, washers and dryers, and a host of other things that simply weren't available 100 years ago, or if they were, they were virtually unavailable to most and substantially inferior to the things available today.

The interesting part of the issue for me is how do we encourage the development of entreprenuers and inventors and others who will help make life better whether our population grows or stabilizes or even if it declines. I can't see how using government to redistribute wealth and restrain innovation is going to contribut to anything but a death spiral. On the other hand, when people are left more or less to their own devices, their own survival instincts and desires kick in and they work to make their lives better. Unless they try to hurt others in the process by theft, fraud, assault, etc, then the government should let them be. If there is no gravy train for immigrants, they will be less inclined to come and when they get here, more inclined to assimilate. We don't need to limit immigrants to foreign professionals, we just need to stop subsidizing them from the public till when they arrive. Until and unless the government finally becomes completely socialized in this country, ambition and a work ethic combined with some common sense and some book learning will lead to prosperity and a good life. The values promoted by most major religions and family ties and community relations they foster will improve ones prospects and make the country a better place to live. That doesn't mean it will be a bad place to live when a large part of the population denies the wisdom of the ages and focses on short term self-gratification and sloth. It only means we need to take steps where we can to ensure that our government focuses on enforcing and protecting property rights and stops becoming the agent theft through taxation and entitlement programs that simply redistribute wealth.

The reason socialist governments have never succeeded in the long run is because they cannot control human emotions and desires. They cannot innovate and, in fact, end up discouraging innovation through increased control over existing processes, trying to make incremental improvements in our economy and lives without the knowledge that is distributed in each and every person. No matter how elite, the elite class may be, it is the fatal conceit for them to believe they understand better than the rest of the world how the world should operate. It is too bad that Hayek and his ilk are not more widely taught in public schools and more widely understood and admired by the politically powerful and so called elites.

Tax Break
I don't want to pay for Derek Leaberry's children. It is enough to pay for my own. Anybody having children for the exemptions is doing the same thing as the welfare mothers.
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