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Wednesday, December 13, 2006
Ann Coulter :: Townhall.com Columnist
Surrender by any other name...
by Ann Coulter
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How did we go from winning the war in Iraq to losing overnight? Was this decided by the same committee that changed "Peking" to "Beijing"?

These word changes are a fortiori evidence that liberals are part of a conspiracy. On what date did "horrible" and "actress" vanish from the English language to be replaced with "horrific" and "actor"? Who decided that? (Meanwhile, I'm still writing "Puff Daddy" in my nightly dream journal when everybody else has started calling him "Diddy.")

When did "B.C." (before Christ) and "A.D." (anno Domini, "in the year of the Lord") get replaced with "BCE" (before the common era) and "CE" (common era)? "Withdrawal" is "redeployment," "liberal" is "progressive," and "traitorous" is "patriotic."

These new linguistic conventions -- like going from "winning" to "losing" in Iraq -- simply spread like an invisible bacterial invasion.

To be sure, last month the Democrats did win a narrow majority in Congress for the first time in more than a decade. And it cannot be denied that for the past 50 years, Democrats have orchestrated humiliating foreign policy defeats for America. So it is understandable that some might interpret their midterm gains as a mandate for another humiliating defeat.

But that's not what the Democrats told Americans when they were running for office. To the contrary, they claimed to be gun-totin' hawks. A shockingly high number of Democratic candidates this year actually fought in wars. And not just the war on poverty, either -- real wars, against men with guns.

It was a specific plan of Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chair Rep. Rahm Emanuel to fake out the voters by recruiting anti-war veterans to run against Republicans. (And when did "chairman" become "chair"?)

To the credit of the voters -- especially the American Legion and VFW -- the Democrats didn't fool enough Americans to even match the average midterm gains for the party out of power.

But the point is: You can't run as a phony patriot and then claim your victory is a mandate for surrender. That would be like awarding yourself undeserved Purple Hearts and then pretending to throw them over the White House wall in protest. No, that's not fair -- nothing could be as contemptible as throwing someone else's medals on the ground in protest.

Is it the report of the "Iraq Surrender Group" that suddenly caused everyone to say we're losing?

The ISG report was about what you'd expect if the ladies from "The View" were asked to come up with a victory plan for Iraq. We need to ask Syria to tell Hamas to stop calling for the destruction of Israel. Duh! "Dear Hamas, Do you like killing Jews, or do you LIKE killing Jews? Check yes or no."

Most of the esteemed members of the ISG were last seen on the "Dead or Alive?" Web site. Vernon Jordan's most recent claim to fame was getting Monica Lewinsky a job at Revlon when she was threatening Bill Clinton with the truth. He's going to figure out an honorable way to get out of Iraq?

We're still trying to figure out a six-part test from some decision Sandra Day O'Connor wrote back in 1984, but now she's going to tell us what to do in Iraq.

Have things changed on the ground in Iraq? Are our troops being routed? Hardly. The number of U.S. fatalities has gone from a high of 860 deaths in 2004 to 845 in 2005, to 695 through November of this year. If the Islamic fascists double their rate of killing Americans in the next month, there will still be fewer American fatalities in Iraq this year than in the previous two years.

Admittedly, it would be a little easier to track our progress in Iraq if the Pentagon would tell us how many of them we're killing, but apparently our Pentagon is too spooked by the insurgents posing as civilians to mention the deaths of our enemies.

Moreover, it might seem churlish to mention the number of Islamic lunatics we've killed during the holy month of Ramadan. Half the time we do anything to them, it's "the holy month of Ramadan." It's always Ramadan. When on Earth is Ramadan over?

It's true that no one anticipated that al-Qaida sympathizers would stream into Iraq to fight the Great Satan after Saddam fled to a spider hole, but that's because everyone expected al-Qaida to be fighting us here.

Like "Peking," that's something else we can't say anymore: the amazing absence of another 9/11-style terrorist attack in the past five years. The heart of the insurgency in Iraq is, by definition, composed of Islamic terrorists who hate the Great Satan, own an overnight bag and are willing to travel to kill Americans. But don't worry: The Iraq Surrender Group feels sure they won't come here if we pull out of Iraq.

If absolutely nothing changed in Iraq over the next few years -- if it didn't continue to get better and if the savages never lost heart (I'm assuming they subscribe to "TimesSelect") -- by 2010, 6,000 brave American troops will have died to prevent another 9/11 terrorist attack on American soil for a decade.

If that's a war Americans think we're "losing," Osama bin Laden was right: We are a paper tiger.

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PC
Political correctness doesn't mean its right. Great Article Ann, Thanks.

I have an article on this on my blog
See "Redefining Words" at HeartlandPatriot. Just click my name and you're there.

Winning or losing
appears to be a matter of perspective. The MSM is certainly stalwart in its attempt to call it a loss, but the word from Iraq is quite different:

http://newsbusters.org/blog/11421

I have family and friends serving over there who reiterate the sentiments of the soldiers interviewed by Sean Hannity. Some of the people I know there have been shot at, and some were killed by IED's, but it's not like the media portrays it. They aren't under siege constantly, dodging bullets and hiding in foxholes while the massive Islamofacist regime pushes forward. It's an unstable area. In many ways, it isn't much different from the rest of the Middle-East--- you take your chances any time you sit down in a cafe to eat, or walk by a car parked at a curb in front of a government building or embassy (just like you risk being the victim of a drive-by shooting in South Central L.A. while out for an evening walk). I'm not trying to downplay the deaths of our soldiers. It is tragic. But what I hear every time I walk by the TV when the evening news is on, or what I read in the paper is so much different from what the people who are actually in Baghdad are saying. I'm sure there are cities/provinces or neighborhoods where the violence is a little more extreme, but to suggest that we are losing the war is a bit premature. And to continue the mantra that a civil war is looming... the whole Middle-East has been in the middle of a civil war for hundreds of years. It isn't something that started when the first US carriers and destroyers sailed into the Persian Gulf. This war started way before America declared its own independence and endured its own civil war.

And if one wishes to argue that we destabilized Iraq specifically and caused Shia/Sunni strife and upheaval, keep in mind that it may actually be GOOD for Iraq in the long run. If it allows us to remain relatively "hands off" in letting the Iraqi people form their own government, that's good. It proves that we aren't in this simply to prop up a puppet government soley for the sake of getting our hands on the oil there. Think about how long this smaller scale civil war might take. Nothing like this happens overnight. The larger picture is more complex. How do you put a stop to a conflict that has raged for centuries? I suppose by chipping away at it a little at a time. Create more opportunities for liberty to get a foothold in the world. But it certainly won't happen in a few weeks, months, or even years. Let's allow our military to finish the job. I want my cousins, colleagues, and friends to come home safely just as much as anyone. But I know they would say they were honored to be a part of this mission if they could have made good on the commitment to see it through. And I also know that the losses we have suffered will have been in vain if we just cut and run.

It's all relative
Sophistry was the Ancient Greek technique of arguing any viewpoint, and Greek philosophy arose as a corrective to establish "truth" as opposed to the relativism that sophistry fostered.

Liberals prove that nothing ever changes as they take casualty statistics and progress reports that in any other major war would be considered unbelievably positive and turn them into a rationale for retreat and surrender, thus proving that try as they might have, Plato, Socrates et al were not able to eradicate those who twist words into whatever form they want to justify their point.

eBay in Iraq .. vs .. Al Qaida in Iraq!
While we Americans are doing the right thing - almost reflexively - by fighting the Global War against Islamic Terrorists, we too are hamstrung by our own fascination with collectivism. Whether it is preached by the current crop of near-socialist-Democrats -- or by faith-based-Republicans, we seem incapable of articulating (and therefore exporting) the basis for our own successes. How can a believer of one faith-based system claim that there is anything wrong with another faith-based system? The fact that the other faith-based system condones or even encourages the killing of non-believers, just makes its practitioners more consistent (albeit extreme) in their faith!

Instead of prattling about 'spreading Democracy', which conveniently ignores the fact that Democracy is only an instrument, we should be talking about what America, a Democracy, has created:

* Capitalism
* Individual liberty
* Freedom of Religion
* Freedom FROM religion

We should be able to export those ideas consistently, without compromise, and without the evasion that usually passes for intellectual discourse today.

As a start, we can export our Constitution to Iraq and anyone else who is smart enough to want it. If we must offer assistance to other countries, it should be AFTER they adopt a capitalist model that is based on individual freedom. Just as Venture Capitalists extract the best Return on Investment in any given marketplace, American capital must be provided with caveats and covenants.

It works in our capital markets -- and will also work in our Foreign policy.

Imagine this: a well guarded Fort Knox-style Bank in downtown Baghdad (and other major Iraqi cities), built around oil revenue credits and voluntary (not tax coerced) funds by American citizens, Iraqis and anyone else who wants to invest in the Iraqi experiment. The Bank lends money at market-determined rates to Iraqis (and others) that have credible business plans and decent credit. Borrowers lacking credit histories would begin with 'micro' loans and establish themselves gradually, monitored eBay-style, via feedback from previous transactions! People with criminal records - or those who violate laws, are automatically 'dinged' on their credit scores!

Yes, it is the eBay model!

In addition to such a private bank, it would be necessary to have a Government that provides law-and-order, defense & the protection of property rights (but not much else). Yes, this is easier said than done - but it is an improving capitalist economy that provides the 'carrots', while the Govt (as the sole initiator of force) provides the 'sticks' for those who do not comply.

To be sure there will be some circumstances that may seem anomalous to Westerners, e.g. Militias transformed into private security forces, funded by insurance companies! However, market forces will determine their success or failure.

The idea is to infuse a capitalist mentality into a region that has not benefited from such practices as saving money, investment capital, free trade, etc. Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds who are trading goods and services with each other are not as likely to shoot at each other, when they are too busy working hard and getting ahead.

People who are investing for their own future are more likely to step up and oppose the violent few who create problems. If an increase in violence causes risk-averse investors to change their investment terms, the Iraqi beneficiaries of such investments would take to the streets and unite against the violence.

Iraquis who wake up in the morning and scan their newspapers to see that sectarian violence has made their interest rates go up (and their micro-businesses less profitable as a result) will eventually band together against the violent minority.

Thank you Ann...
I too saw the interviews that Sean Hannity had with the soldiers in Iraq. Why we don't see the same open conversations with soldiers by, say, the anchors of NBC, SeeBS, ABC, or (I'll withhold information to stay in Iraq) CNN? Because they don't want us to know. Or, worse yet, they believe their own slanted views without trying to find the truth.

And why do the vast majority of the correspondents who write the articles about what is happening in Iraq originate from the safety of the Green Zone using stringers (like the unknown police captain Mohammed, or whatever his name/title was who "provided" the details on the burning of the Sunni worshippers). If they won't go out with the soldiers to see what is really going on then how can they accurately report it? Can you imagine if the local news was created by "reporters" who wrote the news from Washington, DC? Would we believe that they really have a feel of what is happening in our home town from there? I doubt it!

Another disturbing perspective from Ann
Instead of her worrying about the linguistic contortions of others, Ann should be aware of her own and those of this administration. At one time winning was about “bringing the fertile garden of liberty” to the oppressed masses of Iraq. Democracy would thrive and moderation would flourish. Next winning became less about democracy and more about stability. For Anne, winning is now defined as maintaining the same level of casualties of our troops. Remember folks, no amount of suffering of others is too much, as long as that suffering helps to confirm the veracity of Ann’s ideology.

Ann's unreality
Why does Ann Coulter devote so much attention to semantics? Whether or not we are "winning" or "losing" in Iraq depends upon how one defines "winning or "losing." The original justification for the war was Iraq's WMD that could potentially kill millions of Americans. However, we now know Iraq had no WMD and that the unaccoutned for weapons were destroyed in the summer of 1991. So if victory means eliminating Iraq's WMD then "victory" was achieved a dozen years before president Bush decided to attack Iraq. We won the war before it started.

However, with no WMD the definition of victory, or more precisely the justication for our presence in Iraq, became a humanitarian one: turn Iraq into a democracy. Well, that was about as successful as the Titanic's maiden voyage. So now Ann is back to another fabrication: we are fighting al-Qaeda in Iraq, which is news to the troops who are trying to fight Sunni insurgents and the sporadic violence from al-Sadr's Mahdhi Army. We are largely fighting Iraqis because we invaded Iraq -- a reality too obscure for Ann Coulter to comprehend.

So Ann fundamentally misunderstands the nature of our role in Iraq. The Baker (a Republican) Report was trying to present ideas on how the United States could restore some semblance of order to Iraq. Since Iraq is fraught with sectarian divisions, tribal suspicions, and cultural differences that preclude the creation of a modern nation-state, what can we do to alleviate the problem? So the question was never: how do we kill the holdouts of al-Qaeda in Iraq? But: how do we evacuate Iraq without having it be the inspiration for the next Mel Gibson flick? Trying to mediate the sectarian divisions in Iraq, the prime source of its instability, requires more than killing more people.

Perhaps I shouldn't be too surprised that Ann totally misunderstands the nature of the Baker (a Republican) Report, because she also fundamentally misundertands elementary logic. Ann writes:

"If absolutely nothing changed in Iraq over the next few years -- if it didn't continue to get better and if the savages never lost heart (I'm assuming they subscribe to "TimesSelect") -- by 2010, 6,000 brave American troops will have died to prevent another 9/11 terrorist attack on American soil for a decade."

This is a an example of the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy: after this, so therefore because of this. She is saying: after the US invasion of Iraq, there has been no 9/11 terrorist attack, so therefore because of the US invasion of Iraq, there has been no terrorist attack.

I'm sorry, Ann. You cannot cite a logical fallacy as evidence of any success in the war of terror. Far from making your case, you only demonstarte your ignorance of elementary logical points.

Ann is a Bush cultist and will fabricate any specious reason to support the war in Iraq.







Hey Tanabea.... Oops!
I meant to write: "Hey Red Tooth":

I love how you write things as "facts everybody knows"... as though they were undisputed truths; i.e.:

"However, we now know Iraq had no WMD and that the unaccoutned for weapons were destroyed in the summer of 1991."

Oh really? What do you mean "we" kimosabe?

You write well... I'll give you that, but you are woefully deceived by your "sources" for "facts."

So what else is new, Tanabea... I mean, Red Tooth.

:-)

(Pssst! I'm impressed... not one "neo-con" to give yourself away!)

Hey Kimberly!!!
What happened? Got a date or something tonight? At last count, nine comments already and none of them are yours!

Boy, you just can't depend on ANYONE these days! :-)

The Only Common Denominator
Before the media was manipulated by the North Vietnamese, we were winning.

Before the media was manipulated by the Islamic jihad, we were winning.

Before the media was manipulated by disgruntled leftists, the Bush II economy was better than could have been imagined under the circumstances of war and foreign currency manipulation.

The paper tiger is the media. But we all saw that as two media reps gave their lives to Islam rather than speak the truth of their beliefs. When the truth is expensive, expect the media to cheap out.

Unfortunately, the paper tiger media is how the world sees the US. To the extent we are underestimated, we will be attacked. So far, the media is consistently breaking the first rule of medicine: do no harm.

RE:I think Ann Coulter needs a good man.
Im first in line to apply. I can dream, can't I?

Kimbat
"Somebody please just put the b*tch down - she's suffering. "

Every week you call Ann a b*tch. You need a new line. This one is stale.

600 versus 3000+ -- good point Ann....
It *is* cold hearted but even if we are loosing, we are winning: 600 soldiers murdered by IslamoFachists is 2400 FEWER Americans murdered than 3000. So to "invest" one life to save six -- well, that sometimes isn't a bad option.

But we AREN'T LOOSING this war, notwithstanding what we are being told. We STILL have troops in Germany and Japan some 66 years after victory and some of them get killed each year in traffic accidents and such - but it has been worth it. No more Kamakazis, no more Nazis, it has been worth it, hasn't it?

Berlin in 1948 wasn't Berlin of 2006. Think about that for a while, all ye leftists. And maybe the Saudi's have the best plan afterall: bankrupt Iran and end this mess that way.

merry_go_boy
What a horrendous thought, little Kimbats!
It's true what you say though. The socialist left has so many abortions they will become extinct one day. I don't think anyone will want to put them on the endangered species list any time soon though.

Whoa there, Allen!!
Who made you Townhall "King for a Day"??

Oh.. I forgot. Elitism runs rampant in the liberal mind!

I know the 1st Amendment only applies to you lefties, but here -- this thread ends when it ends!

Winning the War

The War on Terror is actually a War for Moderate Islam.

To cut and run now will allow Radical Islamists to dominate world debate and kill, kidnap, abuse, and terrorize all who do not bow to their vision of world dominance.

The US must continue the fight until Moderate Muslims feel safe enough to provide the leadership to establish representative governance and bring the Islamic Religion into the world community.

The MSM and Liberal politicians have another chance to cut and run if they can prevail in the 2008 elections. If they prevail at that time the War against Radical Islam will erupt at a later date.



Kimberly
states:" Somebody please just put the b*tch down." If you have no respect for life, please do not pretend to even care about anyone dying in Iraq and refrain from commenting. Thanks. Talk about not being pretty......

Iraq
What you effing liberals just don't seem to understand is that Iraq is not the problem. The problem is that the nut-job towelheads hate us because we are not Muslim, and want to kill us. All of us, even you libs who seem to love them so much, and who consider George Bush and Ann Coulter to be a bigger threat than the ragheads. We just happen to be fighting them in Iraq right now, and doing a pretty good job of it, regardless of how the MSM portrays the battle. We can leave Iraq tomorrow or stay for 10 years, we will still have to fight Muslims. We will have to kill enough Muslims to make them realize that it is in their best interest to leave us alone. That is the way it has always been, and the way it will always be.

Once again
Once again Ann nails it! She is, simply put, the best at what she does. And, once again, the lefties attack her personally instead of focusing on what she is saying because they can't argue with the truth.

Leave Lynn Cheney out of this
If Lynn Cheney were a lib, or the daughter of a lib, the rest of the libs would be applauding her "courage" and "choice" instead of taking cheap shots at her.

If a conservative said the same thing about some lib that merry-go-boy said about Lynn Cheney merry-go-boy and other libs would accuse the con of being a bigot and a homophobe.

One more pebble on the mountain of double standards, separate rules, and despicable hypocrisy that post-modern liberalism has become.

Red Tooth and MSM vs the truth
Ain't it funny how the left keeps saying that there were no WMDs in Iraq, despite the fact that we found over 500 artillery shells with sarin and mustard gas loaded up?

Simply put...if it's Muslim, kill it before it kills you ('cause that's what it's gonna do eventually)! That should be our foreign policy.

Ann Coulter
always seems to provoke the best comments, pro and con. She drives the left wingers to sputtering incoherence by the very mention of her name. Thank you, Ann.

The Crawfish
I have a buddy who was in one of the units that found a cache of those 155mm shells. The NBC guy declared them hot and they had to be sent to a special place for destruction. Of course, since THAT does not fit in the lib's agenda, expect them not to tout it.

Kimberly
You know, the regulars here understand your unadultered hatred for the Republican president and anyone else who wants to call a liberal a liberal. You know- Ann Coulter, Newt, Michelle and I think I can throw in the Limbaugh boys,Hannity,Boortz, Prager....should I keep going? I lveo it when you throw insults instead of intelligence! Was it Wolfpat who said drop your guano and leave...Are you gone, yet?

Some observations
Bullwinkle; aptly chosen name. Democracy can't be attained without stability, duh... Much of liberal posturing involves ignoring common sense for pie-in-the-sky generalities.

Red Tooth; The lie of 'no WMD's' will never die. We found plenty, but that fact is ignored by the left. We've traced the removal of more, but again, your pundits, through the MSM, obscure these bits of rather telling facts. Your pundits don't want you to hear, or having heard, believe or remember these facts, but they don't worry because they know you and people like you are the perfect Orwellian citizen, blindly believing any lie they tell you, no matter how many reversals or proofs to the contrary.

Kinberly; 'Somebody please just put the b*tch down', name calling and personal attacks - WAY too typical of the liberal debating technique.

merry-go-boy; you're probably right about Cheney's daughter. Unfortunately it's only a stop-gap. She'll never be able to raise him-or-her to be anything but a qu*er.

Allen; Of course you think Bullsh_inkle's comment should be the last. Another mainstay of the liberal debating technique is to silence opposing views, because there own arguments won't stand up to even the mildest opposition....

GunnyG
Don't you just love the libs, repeating the same stories over and over.
The US gave Saddam months of time to get any WMD out of the country. There were stories on the internet with photos of huge trucks hauling stuff out of warehouses and heading into Syria. But, of course, information like this never makes the light of day.
The left wants to believe whatever will help their cause, the defeat of America. And, the left "always"
forgets that their own bunch in DC all believed Saddam had WMD, Clinton, Kerry, Kennedy, just go down the list. The sanctions were not working in Iraq with Coffee Anann and his bunch of pirates bilking money (mostly ours) from Saddam and his schemes to keep stuff coming into his country.
Our planes were being shot at every day. Saddam defied the UN resolutions for 12 years. The whole world believed Saddam had WMD.
These facts never get into the left brain for some unknown reason.
Ann's article was good as usual. She calls it like she sees it. And, as someone else said, when the left can't fight the issue they just go for the personal attacks. Which don't hurt Ann one bit. She loves getting the left all knotted up because she knows she's got them.

Innovative Proposals
Original thought is a rare commodity. So rare in fact some on this board have never had one. They open their mouths and out pours the MSM bilge, word for word. Just a rephrase would add variety and interest to the plate of tripe being served.
As most of you know, I am an advocate of more war not less, but it appears that is not the direction we are headed--I am an echo in an empty attic. Recently, there have been some innovative suggestions made about putting ALL the Iraqis to work, even going so far as to create a CCC type program--putting people to work gives them far less time to commit terrorist acts and removes some of the incentive. Sectarian war among the Sunnis and Shia may be significantly reduced , if people feel there is a future in their lives. Another proposal with some merit is to make a genuine effort to foster Nationalism among the Iraqi armed forces by arming them with better weaponry (US made in lieu of USSR made)and showing the new Iraqi Armed Forces in public parades with some pageantry. Modern equipment driven by Iraqis in front of their own people exudes pride and that can have a profound good effect on morale. Logical question--who will pay for it? That is not a long term issue; the Iraqis have a future filled with oil revenues and there will be pay back, if we can stabilize the country. Most of our Warriors in Iraq that interface daily with the Iraqi people have developed friends there, our soldiers like and trust the vast majority of the ordinary man on the street. Our soldiers are convinced the country can be saved and when given the chance to speak; our soldiers are proud of what they have done and continue to do. The Democrats have been beating the h*ll out of the bushes trying to get a ground swell of discontented soldiers to come forth and deny their mission in Iraq. It has not happened--they have found a few but very few. In fact, generally speaking--our soldiers have far more hatred for the MSM and Democrats than they do their circumstance in Iraq. BTW our Warriors are far more qualified to make judgements on Iraq than are the politicians sitting on their fat cozy as*es in Washington. Our soldiers know Al Qaeda is Sunni and Hezbollah and the Mahdi militia are Shia; if only our new Intell Committee "Chair" had some of that knowledge.

Peppermint
That is on page one of the Libdolt Manifesto.

"Repeat a lie often enough until the drones repeat it as the truth."

And we ALL KNOW that critical thinking skills are absent on the left.

Treating the Casualties of this War
I am a combat disabled Vietnam Vet and a Licensed Clinical Social Worker. I, for the past 27 years have been working with the Veterans of all our wars. I currently treat Marine and Navy, (mostly Corpsman), psychiatric casualties of this war. Most of my patients are from the War in Iraq, some from Afghanistan. I have Officers and Enlisted as patients. I am also a Southern Democrat and have been life long. I am forced to vote Republican most times due to the hijacking of our party by the far left who I see in forums like this calling names mostly because their arguments are so weak.

The point of this is that I have not had one of my patients say what we are doing there is a waste. All, except some we have had to Med Board out, want to get better so they can go back to Iraq and fight. Their biggest fear is that we will just leave, like Vietnam, and they will be portrayed as losers, like what happened to me and my Vietnam Vet Brothers and Sisters.

Ann hits it on the nose. A "redeployment" victory for the Islamofacists will spurn them on to bigger and better things making 9-11 look like a holiday. Oh, by the way....what have any of your done for our troops today?


VNam69
I grew next door to a WW2 vet who was shell-shocked. My father, who was sleeping, had a flashback when I was blasting cherrybombs in the water (tied to sinkers). He was a subvet who saw a lot of combat. It sucks to see the after effects.

Thanks for your service and all of us here, well except the libdolts, wish the troops well. My family has donated to the USO for the last 10 years or so, have sent CARE packages, and donated supplies for other care packages.

I know from experience that getting those packages in-country is a serious morale booster.

Vnam69
Yesterday my 7th grade school kids donated a couple bushel baskets full of items which the unit we support in Iraq specifically asked for. Gum, lifesavers, wetwipes and sunflower seeds were high on the list.

Vernon Jordan and Sandra O'connor on a military decision committee. Ann, you gotta be kidding. Ann, Ann? You are kidding, right? Ann????

On WSJ
I'm posting something off of the WSJ this AM.

I guess that this refutes Hanoi John Heinz-Kerry's remark that we in the military are dumb as a bag of hammers. Please read on:
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Frank Keough has a family of servicemen:

I attended college but never completed. Total lack of discipline on my part. I was in the U.S. Air Force from 1966 through 1970. I retired from 25-year police service four years ago.

My daughter (eldest child) has 5 1/2 years Army service as a Korean language specialist, three years of that in Korea, in the field. She studied Russian, French and Latin in high school and graduated 13th in her class. Her husband (whom she met in the Army) was also a Korean language specialist. She graduated first in her class from University of Central Florida with a degree in molecular biology She has a master's degree in accounting from George Washington University. She's working on her doctorate and her CPA, both at the same time. She also has a small child at home to care for. Her husband has several degrees and is working on a doctorate in public administration.

My No. 1 son (No. 2 kid) has four years of Army service: infantry, Ranger, paratrooper and Army linguist school (Portuguese). He served in Gulf War I. He holds a number of degrees in the education and therapy field and is currently working on his doctorate in occupational therapy. He teaches at a college in Tennessee.

My No. 2 son (No. 3 kid) has four years of Army service in infantry and air assault. He just missed Gulf War I. He's the "underachiever": only speaks high school Spanish. He has degrees in business and criminal justice administration and works as a manager for the Red Lobster restaurant chain--go figure. :-)

My No. 3 son (No. 4 kid) has 5 1/2 years of Army service as a Chinese language (Mandarin) specialist. He took a demotion to join the Navy, since he likes their mission better than what the Army does. Stationed in Japan, he was promoted meritoriously to E-6 ahead of schedule and has numerous awards and commendations. He has served as a crewman on an EP-3 surveillance plane; I can't discuss this further. He has degrees in history and Asian studies and is working on his master's degree in political science. He wants to go to work for a government agency (Defense Intelligence Agency or National Security Agency or something) or maybe strike for Naval officer; he's not sure yet.

I know, you're asking what this is all about. I believe the torch carried by the previous "Greatest Generation" was allowed to languish by my generation. This next generational wave has not only picked it up, but has polished it and is holding it higher than ever. There were some lugs still in the service back when I was in, but I know a lot of service members now, and their quality is simply astounding. Even individuals in so-called menial tasks like food services are impressive. And they are not serving merely for "benefits." They are also serving out of a sense of duty to country and public good. These are wonderful people, and guess what, they're going to remember how the Democrats threw their votes away, or invalidated their absentee ballots, or tricks like that. They'll remember Rangel and his Democratic cronies making rude and demeaning remarks about them.

Whom do you think they'll be voting for? Yeah. Not Democrats.

The full MOTIVATING story is at:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110009373

Military disaster in Iraq?
On 1 July 1916 the British Army started the Battle of the Somme. On that one day almost 20000 of their soldiers, 19240 to be more precise, were killed in action. At the time, the total population of Great Britain was around 45 million.

By comparison, the US military has suffered fewer than 3000 killed in Iraq in three and a half years when our present population is around 300 million.

If we're losing our fight against terrorism with 3000 of our military killed, surely the British must have lost the Great War with 19240 dead in a single day. They had more than 6 times as many killed out of a population about 1/7 the size of ours.

Every death of one of our soldiers is a tragedy, but let's get some sense of proportion.

Reading the LLL's
(Leftist Liberal Losers) comments reminds me of the movie George of the Jungle, you know the one: "Watch out for that treeee!!"

Those LLL's swinging out on their "cut and run" vine, just like George of the Jungle, don't know where they are heading ----.

But! It's sure going to be a WHAM'er when they get there.

If those LLL's were back in public education schools, they'd qualify for the slow learners classroom.

Go git'em Ann!

wiseone
A little off subject but you struck a nerve with your last sentence. Barack Obama was in NH and was asked if some would not vote for him because he is black. He said yes but those are the same people who would not vote for him for his policy positions. Where is the Trent Lott treatment from the MSM? Using the MSM logic, you could say that those that don't vote for him because he is black are racists. Because of policy-Republicans. So he just said that racists are exclusively Republicans. You just know that if he was a Republican, his words would be twisted like this. Kinda like Hillary saying that she can't understand how anyone can be Christian and a Republican. Where was the Pat Robertson treatment?

A Message to Scottie
A Message to Scottie: If there is any man in these beloved United States of America that even begins to resemble you in character and intelligence (and is free and available) I would welcome his friendship! I live in Loony Liberal-land San Francisco; that says it all!

"Withdrawal" is "redeployment",
I know exactly when withdrawal became redeployment. It was when Reagan redeployed US forces in Lebanon to ships offshore after a terrorist attack on their barracks. Bin Laden said that's how he got the idea to attack America - he saw that when you attack them they leave.

As for when we went from winning to losing in Iraq, that was more or less right away. There never were enough troops to keep the peace. Everyone who knew anything and was not a neocon said so at the time. And now, as Krugman points out, we see that they were right.

Of course, you can close your eyes tight, hold your breath and deny anything is happening.

cant make the tough decisions
The thread I find running thru all the lib comments is they cant take casualties. They are constantly going on about the 3000 American dead. This is exactly why they can not be in charge of our national security. They cant make the tough decisions necessary to defend our country. Most thinkers know that 3000 dead in a major war that freed millions over 3 years is one of the greatest military successes in history. But now they want something done in
Darfur. Do they think no one would die there? Why is helping these people better than helping the Iraqi who want to live in peace? Im confused by the Darfur TV commercial that says they want to kill us because were black! Are not the people who are killing them black also??

The Press
Fair treatment from the press. No one expects it and only the dullest believe the printed press. There is one subject you can rely on being truthful; that is, praise for any Communist or Communist cause. BTW secular progressives( S-P) are overwhelmly Communist. S-Ps are hiding in the Democrat party with the blessing of the party--the S-Ps need to stop the subterfuge and form a Communist Party; Dennis Kucinich would rush to be the charter member.

liberalgoodman
actually, OBL has referenced the Clintonian pullout from Monica, oops, Somalia, that encouraged him to attack the USA.

Maybe you have a CREDIBLE link for us as to your claim about Reagan and Lebanon? Oh, and NO, wikipedia doesn't count.

Attn: "libs", "Whose ur daddy?"
Except from yahoo news: "...In a rare video message, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, a renegade Afghan warlord allied with the Taliban, claimed that American troops will be forced out of Afghanistan like the Soviets before them.

"The leader of the Hezb-e-Islami militant group also touted the Republican Party defeat in last month's midterm elections as a victory for militants fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq.

"It seems that every bullet that mujahedeen had fired toward the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan has turned into a vote against Bush," Hekmatyar said in the undated video statement received by AP Television News in Pakistan.

"There is no doubt that is a great victory and success for Afghan and Iraqi mujahedeen," he said. "I am convinced that the fate Soviet Union faced is awaiting America as well."



CASUALTIES
John Donne probably said it best: "...any man's death diminishes me..."

memo to Ives
There are no moderate Islamists.. A moderate would at least step up and say something is wrong. I dont hear any cry for moderation from them, only silence.

Waaa I want more Ann's in my life
"Vernon Jordan's most recent claim to fame was getting Monica Lewinsky a job at Revlon"
and
"composed of . . .terrorists who. .. own an overnight bag and are willing to travel"
hehehe

funE and that's with a capital E.

Word games.
What a shame that Ann can't use her fine intellect for something other than being ugly. Like Bush, she's still trying to be 'right' and just can't admit when she's wrong. The Iraqis don't want democracy and we can't seem to take the 'no thanks'. They didn't ask us to come 'save' them and now we're more worried about losing as if that were the ultimate embarrasment. Oh my goodness, what will others think if we lose? That's like worrying about what the neighbors think. Like Bush, she can't bear being wrong because it is too ego crushing. For him, the mistake is too huge to ever admit to himself because so many have died for it. Maybe the theory of spreading democracy is better on paper than in reality. Why aren't the Bush twins in the military? Why doesn't Ann go over to Iraq and leave the green zone to report her truth to us? Maybe once all the innocent Iraqis are dead our soldiers will know who to shoot at since only the enemy will be left. Don't any of these columnists ever address the moderates or middle people? How many 'liberals' are there anyway? Her black or white, all or nothing thinking is so simplistic. Those that are incapable of self reflection continue to make the same mistakes.

besides WMDs
I thought we said we would fight any country that harbored or trained or assisted terrorists?

Redtooth says:
"Why does Ann Coulter devote so much attention to semantics? Whether or not we are "winning" or "losing" in Iraq depends upon how one defines "winning or "losing." priceless.

Cookie
Exactly. Rush picked it up yesterday and made the same point.

If you check the posts (and points) of other cons on this thread you can see why the libs prefer to engage in personal attacks instead of discussing the issues.

If Ann thinks
that the American people are going to support troops still being in Iraq in 2010, with 6000 casualties she's got another thought coming...
In fact, if we're still there in '08 Republicans won't be able to be elected dog catcher anywhere in the U.S.

liberalgoodman
Reagan withdrew from Lebanon because under the law he was required to do so.

Throughout his Presidenecy the chickensh*t Democrats who ran Congress kept cringing every time Reagan used the military, and demanded that he invoke the War Powers Act.

The reason they wanted the War Powers Act invoked was because that would require Reagan to get permission from Congress to spend the money to deploy the troops (or keep them deployed) and of course, the Democrats in Congress wanted to refuse the funding so Reagan would be forced to withdraw the troops.

Reagan stalled this as long as he could by stating the troops were for security only. But the War Powers Act has specific language that requires it be invoked when our troops are in harm's way. After the attack on the Marine barracks in Lebanon it could not be realistically argued that our troops were not in harm's way and the Democrats got what they wanted; what they always want; defeat for the the US military.

The details are different, but the concept is similar for why the first Prez Bush could not follow Saddam back to Baghdad in 1991 after the Persian Gulf War and get rid of him them; something for which there has been a great deal of second-guessing by the left ever since 'W' decided to invade Iraq.

Gregdn
We never left any other country we invaded (except for Vietnam and France) - why would we leave Iraq? We're still in the Netherlands, Korea, Okinawa, Japan, Cuba and Germany. Where else?

Allen writes...
Remember folks, no amount of suffering of others is too much, as long as that suffering helps to confirm the veracity of Ann’s ideology.

Allen etal, It is not just Ann's ideology. It is mine too and most ordinary citizens of this country who haven't been brainwashed into selling this great nation out. I don't know which "others" you are referring to suffering. All sides suffer in war. I am thankful that there are brave Americans willing to suffer for the survival of their homeland.

All we ever hear from your side is what we have done wrong, repeating verbatum what you hear in the MSM and the likes of Pelosi, Boxer, Reid etal. The only solutions your side offers is to go ahead and lose this war by leaving the Iraqis, who have had the courage to establish a democracy on their own to be slaughtered as soon as we leave and then go talk with the terrorists nicely in hopes that they will leave us alone. Unacceptable and dangersous non-solutions for preserving America.

Thanks to Ann for her ability and willingness to get down to the nitty gritty, calling a spade a spade.

Serious question:
Can there EVER be a war in which Democrats actually want us to win? Kimberly, is there any enemy of the US that you think we should defeat, or are you convinced that even al Qaida deserves to annihilate us?

Vnam69
Thank you for your continuing service!

Gregdn Decades to Go
Ann's got it right. By 2010 will have 6,000 deaths. Thats just about double the number of Americans that the terrorist killed in one morning. (Esq. September 11)

I served three years in Okinawa Japan 50 years after that war was over. I guess you want all our servce members to be stationed at HOME not in some far off land where we can better serve our interests. (Killing terrorist there, before they come over to kill us here....again!)

If we had the MSM of today in 1940...
...we'd all be speaking German. That is a FACT!

"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs who should be arrested, exiled, or hanged." - Abraham Lincoln.

If Lincoln were alive today, he'd agree that these words also apply to the traitorous members of today's mainstream media.

VNam69
First of all, thank you for your service, and for whatever your effort was in trying to kill those cockroaches known as Viet Cong.

You cannot be more right to say that if we leave Iraq now, we'll be known for losing another Vietnam. I can still remember the bitter words of my relatives and people in South Vietnam during the early 70's when the US abandoned South Vietnam because it was distracted w/ fighting liberals in America. Even to this day in Vietnam, every young kid is told that America is rich but wimpy, and they lost to a bunch of barefoof ground crawlers in black rags. Regardless, virtually every Vietnamese immigrant in the US now votes Republican. We may not always agree w/ every single issue on the Republican side, but one thing that we agree with and know first hand the importance of, is a strong defense, or rather, offense if need be. We know better than depend on liberals to fight wars, stimulate the economy, or even have democracy.

It's funny that liberals seem to have systematic amnesia about recent history. Maybe they spent too much time as children drinking too much Kool-Aid and watched too much Saturday morning cartoons, because I haven't met a liberal yet who can articulate how and why America lost in Vietnam. Yet, they ramble on and on about how Iraq is another Vietnam, just because they just heard it on CNN or some crappy propaganda outlets. Many even think that Vietnam is now a free and democratic country, even if they don't even know where it is on the map.

Liberals, so adorably naive and "special." Do we enough short buses for y'all?

Something off-topic. If anyone ever encounters a Vietnamese immigrant that is a Democrat, most likely that moron was born in the US, came here when he/she was too young, or a commie Viet Cong offspring. Such a moron would not have an easy time existing in any Vietnamese communities in the US. No sane Vietnamese immigrant would vote democrat or support any socialist ideology. We've experience that hell first hand already, and it ain't pretty. We'd rather risk drowning or be eaten by sharks in order to be free than endure that hell on earth known as socialism. If any of you liberals think it's chic to be a socialist, you're nothing more than a rodent. Liberals, like the delicate and naive damsels they are, wouldn't survive a week in a socialist country. Please, leave America and try living in one of those countries. Buh Bye!! Y'all don't come back now, ya hear?

Thanks again, VNam69.


Gunny
What's even worse is how the War Powers Act came into being.

The Democrats in Congress in the '60's were mad at (Democrat) Prez Kennedy for his duplicity at the the Bay of Pigs and (Democrat) Prez Johnson for his out-and-out lie that became the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. So they enacted the War Powers Act that essentially gave Congress more control over the deployment of the military.

They almost immediately used it to prevent (Republican) Prez Ford from keeping (Republican) Prez Nixon's promise to the South Vietnamese. Ten years later they used it to first limit (Republican) Prez Reagan's ability to fight terror in Lebanon, then force him to withdraw altogether. Eight years later it prevented (Republican) Prez Bush41 from taking out Saddam, and today the left wants to use it to force (Republican) Prez Bush to withdraw from Iraq.

They let (Democrat) Clinton do whatever he wanted though, especially when he was cutting and running from Somalia, bombing civilians unnecessarily from 15,000 feet in Bosnia, and supporting the Communist dictator of Haiti as a way to control illegal immigration from that country without angering American blacks and hispanics.

Now, typically, we have a lib, liberalgoodman, criticizing another Republican, Reagan, because his hands were tied by a self-aggrandizing liberal policy justified by the misbehavior of two Democrat Presidents.

Lib-Dems caused the problem. Other lib-Dems wrote a stupid law to 'solve' it, and then enforced it only against Republicans. But now, somehow, the negative results of this policy must be blamed on a Republican, any Republican, anyway.

"The only things that are really new is the history you haven't learned." - Harry Truman

Robin
Who can't admit their mistakes? Ann's point about liberals leading us to defeat, again and again, would be a great opportunity for fair-thinking people to admit their mis-cues... oh wait, those few intelligent enough to handle the truth have already abandoned the left, leaving bitter, delusional, fools like Jimmah Carter and Howard Dean.

Any apology by Bush would be seen as a sign of weakness to his enemies, much like a withdrawal from Iraq will protray us as weak to the Islamofacists. It would not prompt a cumbyyah, touchyfeely, can't-we-all-just-get- along moment of national reconciliation, but infinitely more strident attacks on the Presidency, already dangerously weakened in our country and the world thanks to libs and MSM. Wait until, God help us, one of your guys gets elected and he receives no respect from anyone because the job has been sullied so badly.

You cannot see the forest for the trees, like most lib posters can only argue "facts" that aren't relevant - like who served and who didn't; whether Ann is a b_tch; or Rush is fat - anything to desemble, deflect, discount, or diminish. Then there's the tried and true method of projection - accusing others of doing exactly what you're guilty of.

LYN - I can sympathize, living in an increasingly liberal city here in AZ. I've almost abandoned hope of finding a woman who shares even a similar philosophy. Most are either SP, Christian hating harpies, or clueless, drug addled dimwits.

All in the view

Ann Coulter is vicious and narrow minded, Rosie O’Donnell is fair minded, or Ann is fair minded and Rosie is racist and bigoted.

Depends on your View, right or left.

If you wonder about what view, see the Chinese councilman's opionion of Rosie's "Ching Chong" routine on "The View"

I think Ann is the more intellegent and balanced of the two. So ends the lesson.

Kim,slabo,tanabear,phylo, etc...
Having followed their antics for awhile on townhall, I've concluded that they're "drive-by" posters who aren't interested in debate or dialog,just in venting their Bush Derangement Syndrome manifestations. They never listen; their "facts" are unprovable, therefore unDISprovable ( It might not be true, but you can't prove it isn't!) and they are only motivated by hatred of anything which might whiff of conservatism.
To quote a tired blogging maxim: ignore them and they'll eventually go away.
It shouldn't take very long either, as they all display the classic MTV attention span.

Bartender...
I guess John Donne never met a suicidal, homicidal, islamo-fascist, jihadist, terrorist bomber.

To Robin re: Word Games...
You posted: "The Iraqis don't want democracy and we can't seem to take the 'no thanks'."

And you have polled Iraqis on this? Is this the feeling of most Iraqis or is it the feeling of Iraqi "elites" and others who want to control the country? Just curious.

How about Coulter for president?
Can you just imagine the "debates"?
Coulter would annihilate "Rodman"(that's Hillary), Obama(Hussein) and all the other liberal louts that would like to screw this country up royally.
Who would be a suitable running mate for Ms Coulter? Any of you posters out there have any suggestions??

Airgun
Well said.

I just wish that idiots like Kimbat, Phylo, Left dAngle, and thousands of other liberals were the ones who had to fork over the cash in a tax increase, or who suffered casualties in a terrorist attack since they are the appeasers.

Seeing innocents getting taxed more or killed because of the actions of a few idiot liberals is extremely aggravating.

re: Rosie...
Pakrat posts: "I think Ann is the more intellegent and balanced of the two. So ends the lesson."

It all depends on the meaning of balanced, dontcha know? After all, Rosie clearly has a lower center of gravity (or is that gravitas?) and a broader base for support. ;)

Jim Coulter for Prez
I would prefer Ann Coulter to be a National Security Advisor for Condi.

Peace with dignity.
Am I the only one here who remember that one?

Millinos died because of it.

http://www.givemetheinfo.com/Christmas-prank-gifts/

Kimberly Kimbat etal
Domesticated animals are an interesting and informative study. Liberals are not. These animals have much to teach the human race. Liberals do not. Example: when feeding a herd of cattle, the young are gathered in a small area and protected by a mother cow. Each feeding day, the young are protected by a different mother cow. This way no mother cow goes without food. During a heavy winter storm, the young are placed in the center of the herd and the adult cattle surround them protecting them from the storm. Sometimes those on the windward side of the storm are lost but the herd as a whole is protected and saved.

What am I saying here? Well, two things. 1) Liberals have a lot to learn before they can rise to a position higher on the food chain than domesticated animals. 2) Liberals always stay on the leeward side of the storm and are willing to surrender their country in order to have their way. However, should the war come back to our shores and based on the present trend, it will, they will be the first to hide behind true patriots under a rock.

A true patriot is someone who “…proudly supports or defends his or her country and it way of life.” One cannot be a true patriot and advocate an immediate withdraw of our troops from Iraq. You withdraw the troops when the job is done.

Frankly, I’m sick and tired of the sidewalk generals’ blather. You debate going to war, before going to war. You debate the validity of the war, after the war. To debate the war during the war, murders our military and furthermore, it gives aid and comfort to the enemy. See Vietnam!

Buy early, buy often and avoid the rush.


Rosie's world
Anybody who believes the hate-filled hypocrite known as Rosie O'Donnell to be fair minded really needs to return to Earth from Calypso Louie's Mother Ship.

BTW, Gunny, VNam69, Warrior...I'm proud to currently serve with you or those you trained.

-Crawfish (17 years as a Navy Aviation Electronics Tech)

Jim...
Ann would no doubt make as good a president or better than anybody else on the horizon, but like others I'd like to see run, she is unelectable. She'd energise the left and offend the sensibilities of the moderates. Worst of all, she'd scare the establishment republicans.

I am thankful and proud to have grown up in the south. The one downside was that I never got to meet Ann while I was single. I don't know if I could have tamed and domesticated her, but I sure would like to have tried!

I think Drs. Sowell and Williams have been mentioned frequently around here as presidential material. They suffer the same misfortune. They are patently unelectable. The greatest problem I see on the horizon is a lack of principled candidates with the stature to run for president as a republican. Nobody wnats the 2008 election to be about voting against Hillary or some other liberal, but I fear that it will boil down to that. Two years is not enough time to create a candidate these days and the usual list of suspects is barely better than what the libs will offer.

Savage/Coulter
I'd love to see this one but it will never happen just like Franken/Moore would never happen. They speak the unabashed truth and it would scare and offend too many people.

The Crawfish
JEEZ-O-PETE! Please post a spew alert next time, especially posting around chow time.

I had to wipe Chicken-ala-King off of my monitor!

Calypso Louie's Mother Ship.

THAT was funny. You had several of us in stitches over that.

"Earth to Kimberly, you still at the libdolt conference on the Mother Ship?"

She must be picking up a load of alien guano to hit us with.

Keep up the good work and remind your shipmates to just say NO to Dhimmicrats.


FeedFwd Dems 08
The Dems will be their own undoing. What will they have accomplished in two years?

Forced a withdrawl from Iraq and Afghanistan?
Redeployed troops to Okinawa and Darfur?
Slowed the economy?
Reinstated the draft?
Eleminated tax cuts?
Raised taxes?

Who will get the nomination and most importantly who will be second fiddle? (Vice Prez with a bruised ego because they didn't win)




Do not click names
"Just click my name and you're there." I did Scottie and there was no "there" there. Wordy and without profound insight.

Coulter's Running Mate. . .
Coulter's running mate would have been Timothy McVeigh, but he's no longer around. . . Remember how she PRAISED HIM?!?!?!

So, she would probably have to choose Terry Nichols.

Gunny...
I don't disagree with you. I also don't see a DESIRABLE candidate that makes me WANT to vote for them. The folks who stayed home in 06 will probably have enough regrets to come out and vote against the libs in 08.

Jimmis...
Have you listened to Savage? He isn't really very supportive of free markets. While his heart is mostly in the right place, he would be a disaster. He'd try to raise minimum wages and institute protective legislation and trade barriers, both of which would hurt the country as a whole and the economy in particular IMHO.

FeedFwd
I do listen to him and I think his overall politics are just what this country needs. I don't believe he would raise the minimum wage because I've heard him say so. He knows that only 2% of the population earns the minimum wage and raising it a dollar an hour is not going to exactly stimulate the economy. He's not totally suportive of free markets but he also isn't a fan of unions. He wants to keep American jobs. I don't think there's anyone out there whom I love completely but Savage is about as good as it gets.

If Ann wants "Victory" . . .
If Ann wants "Victory" (whatever THAT means anymore), then why doesn't she ENLIST!?!?! That goes for ALL of you who bemoan the "cut and runners"- if people were enlisting in DROVES, there WOULD NOT be a movement to "cut and run". . .

So, how about it Ann (and the rest of you)? The Army is STILL looking for new recruits! We ain't gonna win if none of you ENLIST!!!!!

FeedFwd re: polling the Iraqis
The people of Iraq have been polled regarding their desire for democracy on 3 occasions - their elections - and democracy won every time.

In the US, 50% voter turnout is considered "high". If I recall correctly, the turnout in Iraq was at or around 80% despite death threats. If that is a "no thanks", the criteria for actions qualifying as a "thank you" are impossibly high.

Robin is 100% smart-free.

Questions
I know we like to think it's because of the MSM, but do you really think Robert Gates or James Baker (and now Donald Rumsfeld) believe we're losing in Iraq because of what Brian Williams or Katie Couric says on the news?

Why is it that the entire world (including the majority of Americans and now most Republicans) have the crazy idea that we're losing in Iraq?

Rosie who?
That was my opinion of Rosie way back when she suddenly appeared as a talk show host. I couldn't figure out how she got that gig. I suppose she knew she was a lesbian back then but she hadn't come out then so that was not the basis of my not seeing how she got on national TV. She wasn't and still isn't one of the beautiful people, as physical beauty goes, she wasn't and still isn't smart, unless you want to count smart aleck and she wasn't and still isn't particularly funny unless you consider being weird funny.

She is a pathetic representative of the female gender, of American ideals and of just common decency. She makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up, guess that is just my liberal radar warning me to stand up for my country and ideals all the time, speak out as loudly and often as I have the opportunity and continue to pray for the President and our military to succeed in preserving liberty.

According to Webster's dictionary....
Main Entry: trea·son
Pronunciation: 'trE-z&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English tresoun, from Anglo-French traisun, from Latin tradition-, traditio act of handing over, from tradere to hand over, betray -- more at TRAITOR
1 : the betrayal of a trust : TREACHERY
2 : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family

The treachery demonstrated by Rosie etal, along with the MSM puts them on the same level as the terrorists themselves in their shared desire to bring America down. The only problem is that if the terrorists bring America down, the lefties won't get the opportunity to remake America the way they want to because they will either be facing Mecca five times a day praying to Allah or they will be without their heads.

Iraqis Voting for Freedom
"The people of Iraq have been polled regarding their desire for democracy on 3 occasions - their elections - and democracy won every time."

And according to EVERY POLL, more than 65% of ALL IRAQIS favor an IMMEDIATE PULLOUT of American Troops!

Those ungrateful CUT AND RUNNERS! What do they think Democracy is? Do they REALLY think it has something to do with the 'Will of the People'?

How Naive! Of course, Bush, Ann and the Neocons know what's best for them!

coulterfan
did you miss tuesdays story? I don't know if moveon.org or Huffington ran it.

The Pentagon stated on Tuesday that it is having success enlisting new recruits into the military. The Navy and Air Force met their recruiting goals last month while the Army and Marine Corps exceeded theirs, the Defense Department announced.

The Army did the best. It signed up 6,485 new recruits in November compared with its target of 6,150 - meaning 105% of its goal.

All the services turned in similar performances in October as well, meaning they so far are meeting their goals for the 2007 budget year that began 1 Oct.

The figures were released on Tuesday by the Pentagon are as follows:

1. The Navy signed up 2,887 recruits last month (100%)
2. The Marines signed up 2,095 (104%)
3. The Air Force signed up 1,877 (100%)

The full story is on my blog

songo
Heck of a cut-and-paste job. If any of us wanted to see what the moonbats on Kos have to say, we'll go there ourselves.

Mulroney...
Baker et al were never limited government conservatives like Goldwater and Reagan. But I don't think they were particularly influenced in a direct way by Katie and Brian. They are compromising politicians who are willing to bend their principles with public opinion. Baker's motive's may be a sense of loyalty to the elder G Bush or a fear of a complete liberal takeover of government due to the younger Bush's inability to be Clintonesque combined with the tremendous impact the MSM still has on the electorate. His motives may be a desire to de-polarize the country. I can't tell you his motives, but I can tell you the fact that he is a card carrying republican who thinks we should appease terrorists in Iran and Syria doesn't bode well for the republican party.

GunnyG
I think YOU missed the story that the recruiting goals have been LOWERED.

Since the Pres is so fond of comparing this war to WWII, let's compare them: during the 3 years of American involvement in WWII, over 6 MILLION AMERICANS ENLISTED! Over 80% of the American people supported WWII. . .

Have we met THAT goal?

In comparison, only 23% of Americans support the Iraq war, over 65% of Iraqis want us to leave NOW, and our military has been stretched thin (some RESERVISTS, you know the ones RESERVED for hurricanes and domestic disasters, are on their THRID ROTATION IN IRAQ!)

If you truly believe in this war, it's TIME TO SIGN UP! The same goes to ANN, RUSH, BUSH'S daughters, etc!

Or won't you fight for what you believe in?

Songo
If all the writers on this site are so 'stoopid' then why do you read them? Do you think you're going to convert conservatives into liberals? Think again. You see, we(conservatives) are of sound mind and tend to deal with issues logically and with reason and with common sense. By name calling and using 'progressive' propaganda to illustrate your points only shows how shallow and unintelligent liberalism is.

Unfortunately True
"If you truly believe in this war, it's TIME TO SIGN UP! The same goes to ANN, RUSH, BUSH'S daughters, etc!

Or won't you fight for what you believe in?"

I hate to say it, but coulterfan's got a point. I can't recall a war we've ever been involved in before where there were so many people in favor of the war who wouldn't join the military to fight it.

It doesn't bode well for the nation if so many aren't willing to sacrifice in times of war.

GunnyG, some links for ya. . .
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/11/AR2005061100174.html

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-09-army-recruiting_x.htm

The recruiting goals for the military are about what they were under Clinton's (mostly) peaceful administration! Wouldn't you expect MUCH HIGHER recruitment during a war being compared to WWII than during peacetime???

Words
Democrats long ago mastered the redefinition of words to hide their positions. They also understand the theory of memes.

How many divisions did Sandra Day O'Connor command?

http://freedomistheanswer.blogspot.com/

Songo
Spare you the name calling? You write a blog and call everyone mentioned in the blog a name or several names and you have the unmitigated gall to say spare you the name calling. It serves no purpose to call a self serving ignorant son of a b*tch like you an a*shole. If I had a head like your's, I'd hang it on the wall and throw sh*t at it. Sorry folks I apologize but there are people in this world that do not deserve civility.

Huh?
"Democrats long ago mastered the redefinition of words to hide their positions. They also understand the theory of memes.

How many divisions did Sandra Day O'Connor command?"


You DO KNOW that O'Connor is a REPUBLICAN? Right?

MrPooh
good points all. It is interesting that your story about how the Vietnamese did not want us to leave coincides with the stories coming out of Iraq right now that they want us to stay and make sure everything is stable before we pull out, and give them a fighting chance.

The dims are right when they say this is like Vietnam: in order to get people to buy off on the pull out, they will promise to supply the Iraqi army with the weapons needed, etc. Then, once we are leaving, they will cut that aid and the gov't friendly to us will fall shortly thereafter, or will turn to someone else for aid that will be counterproductive to what we went there for. Talk about senseless deaths then...

However, everyone on TH, you have to remember: we aren't nearly as smart as the dims are. We can't be because we are tied to religion, morality, ethics, etc. In the dims world, nothing is superior to something else, no one has any right saying that something is amoral, etc. Therefore, they continue to spue their venom at us because they think we are those that should be on the short bus because we aren't smart enough to see that "peace at any price" is all anyone really wants. The world is really a nice place except we in the US have really mucked it up...

coulterfan
I have seen the polls that say Iraqis want the US to leave, but the "immediate pullout" are far smaller than you claim. I have also seem polls that show overwhelming Iraqi support for the US military. They know the chaos that would ensue if we were to leave now would be far worse their current situation.

Polling data never provides a comprehensive view of the facts. It is also easily manipulated by the manner in which you ask the questions. If a pollster were to ask me for my opinion, politive or negative, of the President's handling of the war, my opinion would be negative. Not because of any of the reasons most vocal detractors have, but because I don't think we've been aggressive enough in killing the bad guys.

Increasing the number of troops who will be training the Iraqi military is a small step in the right direction, but it won't help significantly unless we are willing to be more aggressive in eliminating the enemy and breaking their will. We can't do things like allowing thugs like Sadr to a) live, and b) maintain his militia and expect to win.

Wingo, Washington Post article
"Most Iraqis Favor Immediate U.S. Pullout, Polls Show"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/26/AR2006092601721.html

Off the rez
Not going to link it , just paste it, this article shows what happens when a liberal defies the groupthink and "goes off the reservation"

WASHINGTON -- Since writing a book about the need for African-Americans to take responsibility for their own problems, Juan Williams is now being labeled a "black Ann Coulter" and a turncoat by black leaders and media personalities.
PBS host Tavis Smiley "was going on about how I'm demeaning black people, which I find so incredibly stupid," Williams, an NPR senior correspondent and Fox News commentator, says.
"Al Sharpton called me the black Ann Coulter," says Williams.
Williams, who is black, decided to write "Enough: The Phony Leaders, Dead-End Movements, and Culture of Failure That Are Undermining Black America ? And What We Can Do About It" after Bill Cosby called upon blacks to stop blaming "the white man" for their problems.

wiseone & GunnyG
Wiseone, I didn't hear Rush talk about this. I am in Obama's Blue state and we were talking about this on Monday.

GunnyG. Thanks for your service. My dad served in WW2. He went through Okinawa and was there the day they raised the flag on Iwo Jima. I think what bothers folks like us, if I can be so presumptuous, is we did not have all this whining when a Democrat president went to Bosnia. Yet, no one can possibly argue that Milosevic was a bigger threat to the US than Hussein. WHERE WERE THE PROTESTS THEN?!

one last thing on our "stoopid" president. Let's use objective standards. Bush had a higher GPA than the last 2 "geniuses" nominated by the left. Gore was especially entertaining. He would lie about something easily verified in the records. Now that is dumb. Of course, the MSM gave him a pass.

Coulterfan,

The refrain "if you really believed in the war, you would enlist" is getting really old.
I think I head it during the VietNam war.

Many of the posters on TH did enlist or volunteer. The have their views due to a real world experience with war. They know what they are asking of their sons and daughters, ( including my sons in the military).

I have fought my war, it formed many of my opinions.

Cookie
"I think what bothers folks like us, if I can be so presumptuous, is we did not have all this whining when a Democrat president went to Bosnia. Yet, no one can possibly argue that Milosevic was a bigger threat to the US than Hussein. WHERE WERE THE PROTESTS THEN?!"

If we had been there for 5 years and lost almost 3000 tropps, we probably would have seen the protests.

Mulroney & Coulterfan & Taxes
I would think that it is obvious that many on this site have served. Also, many of us who have the time and resources to participate on this sight are too old to join.

Let me ask you about your commitment to your ideals. Are you sending in more money to the government than you are required to by law? Be honest. I know folks like you think we don't pay enough taxes. There is no law stopping you from sending in what you call a "fair share." Of course, I'm sure you are like all the other "do as I say, not as I do" elite democrats. Like Teddy Kennedy, he preaches that the rich (him) are not paying their fair share and then proceed to take advantage of every tax loophole as if he was an Enron executive. And don't tell us you give to charity. We, the right, do that.

Cookie
Kudos to your Dad. I had the honor to meet a few of those Iwo vets in 2001. Real characters. Tough guys the likes of which that we won't see again.

No, you're right. The libdolts are like that..."Do as I SAY, not as I do."


Mulroney
Wrong. There were protests prior to us going into Iraq. I was in the middle of one in Chicago with both sides in attendance.

tanabear writes...
Exactly what facts have I mentioned that are unprovable. It is the Bush Administration that lied about everything in Iraq.

Answer: See above.

GunnyG
So tough he didn't tell me about it until an honorary plaque came in the mail a year before he died at age 72.

Mulroney
In case you did not know it, we're STILL in Bosnia as the Euros can't police their own frigging backyard.

I wonder of 1,000,000 Rwandans would agree with you that Drop-Trou Clinton's NON-intervention in their genocidal slaughter was a good thing.

Whatta ya think?

Cookie
If you don't have his medals in a shadow box, let me know.

You can write DoD for a copy of his records and obtain the medals from numerous military shops.

You can mount them in a shadow box and include a photo from his war years in it as well. Nice remembrance to mount on the wall.

I have my dad's, mine, and two empty spots on the wall for my kids.

Cookie. . .
"WHERE WERE THE PROTESTS THEN?!"

How long was the Bosnia war? How much did it cost? How many US casualties were incurred (ZERO!). . .

Yet, there was A LOT of whining by those Anti-Americans Rush, Sean Hannity, etc! They questioned Clinton's ability to lead WHILE OUR TROOPS WERE IN DANGER! They undermined the military, they gave comfort to our enemies, and YET WE WON THE WAR IN WEEKS!

In contrast, during THIS war we were told a lot of things which turned out to be false, that it would be a "a cakewalk", that it would be over in less than 6 MONTHS, that we "would be greeted as liberators", that the war "would pay for itself", or cost the taxpayers "1.6 billion dollars", that Saddam had WMDs, ETC!

If the war were going well (and run by COMPETENT people), there would be no protests, but sadly we have the most INEPT, INCOMPETENT administration in our entire history!

Why didn't we plan for the post-invasion? Why didn't we guard known weapons sites? Why did we allow looting and not get the infrastructure up and running right away? Why did we allow Abu Graib? The list of blunders is mind-boggling!

Believing that "We would be greeted as liberators" because everyone wants to be like the US, that we would establish a Jeffersonian style democracy, that we DIDN'T NEED MANY TROOPS because of this assumptions was EXTREMELY NAIVE!

This administration's "plan" for the Iraq War was a neocon fantasy cooked up by people who KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST and WHO HADN'T EVEN SERVED IN THE MILITARY THEMSELVES!

Bush didn't have a "plan". . .To say he did is like saying believing in the TOOTH FAIRY is a DENTAL PLAN!!!

raidencraig
Yes I noticed that Michelle's column was removed yesterday and had to find it the same way. I have on several occasions written the Editor of TH complaining about Josue. His job as monitor should be to monitor bad language etc. Not to censor column subject matter by moving a whole column from the daily list. Thereby making it less likely to be read. Whether or not it is Josue is hard to say. But someone is doing this and that's a fact.

The Silver Bullet Resolution
As the various ideas of "what to do about Iraq" swirl around us, one truth emerges -- there is no "silver bullet" resolution to war, no matter on which side of the aisle you sit. Continuing the "we shouldn't be in Iraq" debate is not productive. We are in Iraq and are responsible to finish what we started, whether we like it or not. If going to war in Iraq was a mistake and President Bush is to blame, so be it, but that perspective doesn't justify a withdrawal strategy that leaves Iraq in chaos and its citizens at risk. If the Bush administration is at fault, why would any American want innocent Iraqis to pay the price?

I recently had the privilege of listening to a group of marines discuss their thoughts about the Iraq War. They didn't discuss whether they agreed with the President's decision to go to Iraq, although I'm certain some of them did not. They talked about the job they were sent to Iraq to do and how they are working to get that job done. What they had to say was inspiring and made me proud to share citizenship with men and women who are committed to do what is asked of them, when and where it is asked of them, to the very best of their ability. At the same time, I am saddened and ashamed that these brave Americans have been insulted and demeaned because of opposition to the war they are committed to fight.

The men and women who serve in Iraq regret that some Americans do not appreciate and lend their support to the difficult fight that confronts them, but they expected there would be opposition to the war because there always is. One young marine who will be spending the holidays away from his wife and young children said he is disappointed that the "folks back home" don't trust him to do the job he was sent to Iraq to do. While he is confident that the United States military has what it takes to succeed in Iraq, he is concerned that we have lost our faith and our resolve. He acknowledges that success in Iraq has not come as quickly and easily as expected, but he is steadfast in his belief that a stable democracy in Iraq will be well worth the long and difficult fight.

The men and women on the ground in Iraq are honest and intelligent and understand the war better than most. They confront the enemy on a daily basis and know that enemy far better than we can ever hope to. They have no political or social agendas to advance, favors to repay or future campaigns to consider. They know what needs to be done and are willing and able to do it. They're the closest thing to a "silver bullet" we're ever going to have.

coulterfan
Missed my point entirely. There were protests in the streets even before we went into IRAQ. So if it is war the left hates, they would have been in the streets BEFORE Bosnia also. The only logical conclusion, everything is political to the left.

Kennedy and Taxes
"Are you sending in more money to the government than you are required to by law? Be honest. I know folks like you think we don't pay enough taxes. There is no law stopping you from sending in what you call a "fair share." Of course, I'm sure you are like all the other "do as I say, not as I do" elite democrats. Like Teddy Kennedy, he preaches that the rich (him) are not paying their fair share and then proceed to take advantage of every tax loophole as if he was an Enron executive."

What a strawman argument!

So, is it ONLY the Democrats who believe in 'fiscal responsibility'? If not, why aren't Republicans sending in extra money to the Feds? If you believe in Bush's War, WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO PAY FOR IT?

This administration LOST 9 BILLION DOLLARS IN IRAQ yet there has been NO OVERSIGHT! Likewise, there have been NO INVESTIGATIONS INTO WAR PROFITEERING, NO-BID CONTRACTS, ETC!

It's a wonder Kennedy doesn't want to send them more money!

But seriously, if the Republicans hate 'Big Government', then why have they created the Biggest Government in History? Why didn't all the Republicans give up their appropriations in the bloated Highway Bill? What about the 'Bridge to Nowhere'? If Stevens is SUCH A CONSERVATIVE, then why does he want to put this Bridge on Americans' credit card?

The ONLY reason Dems favor a tax increase (on the top 2% of the population, something MANY in the top 2% agree with- (Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Steve Jobs, Donald Trump, etc amongst them!) is that we could BALANCE THE BUDGET!

Maybe YOU think we should continue to spend WAY MORE than we make and owe MASSIVE debt to the Chinese and the Saudis, but I don't agree! That puts our NATIONAL SECURITY AT STAKE and is NOT 'CONSERVATIVE' but just plain STUPID!

Do you REALLY think that if the tax laws were changed, that Kennedy wouldn't abide by them? But WHY should he send in more than the law requires when he knows it's going to be wasted by the BIGGEST, MOST INCOMPETANT ADMINISTRATION OF ALL TIME?!?!?!?! He KNOWS it's going to end up in the hands of greedy Halliburton war profiteers without a HUGE shift in our spending priorities.

Maybe YOU believe that people in China should not be subjected to forced abortions and prison-like labor conditions in order to make our clothing! But DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT PAYING DOUBLE FOR THAT SHIRT AT WALMART IS GOING TO HELP THEM? NO, it will just end up in the hands of Walmart executives without a shift in policy. . .

Do some thinking BEFORE you set forth such stupid arguments!

Robin
You were asking Ann about going to Iraq, When and where did you serve in the Military. Don't open your mouth until you can honestly answer these questions. You are also talking like a liberal idiot.

Dear Merry_go_whatever....
....you must be very old, or very young: it's a fallacy that a man in a woman's life automatically brings some kind of balm. Often it just brings more aggravation.

coulterfan re: polling
I read the entire poll (link below). Overall, it paints a pretty bleak picture. Two things it does state are overwhelming support for their democratically elected government and PM, as well as the overthrow of Sadaam Hussein (by all groups but the sunnis. Go figure).

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/sep06/Iraq_Sep06_quaire.pdf

If it is accurate, if the ingrates truly think they would be better off without our troops there, let's put the intelligence apparatus in place and "re-deploy". Not to Okinawa, though. Maybe to Saudi Arabia or Kuwait, or even to the Kurdish region in the north where we still have popular support. We can let the civil war rage forev...uh...until the Iraqi people can find their own solution. And if it becomes apparent there is any terrorist funny-business going on, we can bomb the snot out of them.

One question: How is it that you believe in democracy overseas, but you only believe in it here in the US if your side is winning? There are numerous examples of counter-productive "the-people-don't-know-what's-best-for-them" type programs that are bankrupting our government which are regarded as sacrosanct by the left. But you don't support such a cause when it is actually true abroad.

The death toll in Iraq since the war began is still much lower than it was under "peaceful" times during Sadaam's "presidency".

In order to ensure honesty, please allow me to write your answer for you, "It's purely political. It depends solely on how it reflects on the political parties involved and the effect it has on the balance of political power in DC."

All that say join up
There are some of us who would love to sign up, but i doubt that they would take me, being as I am 75 years old, but I sure can protect the home fromt when the stupid liberal Democrats let the terrorists into this country in the comeing years. The wepons are oiled and clean and ready to go. Also tell anyone that they sould back up their demands on enlistment with their own unles they are cowerds

Iraq Mortality rate. . .
Has more than doubled since the invasion!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_mortality_before_and_after_the_2003_invasion_of_Iraq

NO STUDY HAS FOUND OTHERWISE!

Nice 'honesty' Wingo!

Liberals
How To Become A Good Liberal or democrat.
Virtually anyone can be a liberal or democrat. Just simply quit thinking and vote that way. But if you want to be a GOOD liberal or democrat, there are some prerequisites.

Consider the list below to see how you rate.

1. You have to believe the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.

2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.

3. You have to believe that guns, in the hands of law-abiding Americans, are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology, in the hands of Chinese communists.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more affected by yuppies driving SUVs.

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.

7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on demand.

8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists from Seattle do.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

11. You have to believe the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars.

12. You have to believe the NRA is bad, because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good, because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, General Robert E. Lee or Thomas Edison.

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides aren't.

16. You have to believe Hillary Clinton is really a lady.

17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried, is because the right people haven't been in charge.

18. You have to believe Republicans telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and sex offender belongs in the White House.

19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites and bestiality should be constitutionally protected and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic party funding by the Chinese is somehow in the best interest of the United States.

How do we go from winning?
The answer is we never won anything. Most Islamic governments are either corrupt or evil or both. So if you remove a government you must have in the wings a plan for creating one that is neither corrupt or evil otherwise it is better to leave the one in power there. The plan cannot be let them have a Democracy and vote because there are no real Democracies in Islamic countries with few exceptions. So unless you can guarantee that you will replace the existing government with one that unites the country in peace and harmony you should never invade a country with the idea of "regime change," which was one of the four reasons for going to war that Bush laid out on the eve of the war.

Liberal/Progressive
Seems to me I remember that people called themselves "progressive" in our recent past. Didn't the Soviet Union, North Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Cuba, Nicaragua, et.al., use this term, progressive, to describe their governments and leaders? Wasn't the USA and it's leadership described as not being progressive? Now why would our Democrat officials all clamour to be described as "Progressive" instead of liberal? Perhaps it is that "socialism" agenda that they keep putting forth. Or perhaps it is their "superior" knowledge that leads them to take on the label of progressive. In either case, a gluteus maximus by any other name will still stink!

bluedog
Good post! And accurate description of Liberal thinking.

I'm with you, Cliffhanger
I'm only a young whippersnapper at 57, but could reverse my retirement (3 years active, 18 years Army National Guard) like my sister-in-law's brother did, with a lot of hassel. He is now in the desert along with my youngest brother, brother-in-law, a couple of younger cousins and many friends. I'm in great shape and have a little more wisdom than I did when I retired, which I share with my brothers now serving.

The "join up" crowd loves that argument because they probably have guilt (or not) from either dodging the draft in my era, or lack any feeling of obligation to the country like was instilled in me by my Dad and Uncles (WWII and Korea) or my Grampa (WWI). It's hard to trace the family back much farther, but I'm sure I come from a long line of patriots, proud to serve.

Another childish, boorish, irrelevant shot is "how come the Bush twins aren't in Iraq?" Neener, neener, nanner, nanner. Good grief! Are we in the 3rd grade, or what.

My M1911 .45 Auto is clean and ready, as is my sawed off dbl barreled 12 ga, but I wish I hadn't traded my '03 Springfield for a new concrete pad under my new front porch.

coulterfan
Wow, where do I start? I'll give you credit for having a lot of cliches down pat. Which by the way, shows your lack of independent thought and YOUR STUPIDITY.

When tax receipts doubled under Reagan, did the budget get balanced? No! Congress just went out and spent around $1.22 extra for every extra dollar brought in. So why don't your true believers in the top 2% just send in at the old rates of 39.6? Better yet, let's go back to the 70's and have them pay more than 70%. Would there misery make you happy and sooth your huge streak of jealousy?

If you read these sites often and the columnists, you would know that we are not happy with our Republican representatives wild spending either. But we sure as heck know that democrats will spend more. Look at education. Outrageous, record setting increases in spending. Democrats response is that we still are not spending enough. The point you miss (again) is that it isn't that enough money isn't pouring into the government, it's that our government spends way too much.

No bid contracts. You morons really crack me up with your parrot-like "Haliburton" diatribes. Clinton also handed out no bid contracts and yes, the evil Haliburton was a major recipient of them.

About Kennedy, you moron (do you ever get the point). My point is hypocrisy. Always crying about giving a fair share. Then why does his family do estate planning and create all kinds of trusts to avoid estate taxes? I never said he wasn't following the law. Can you read beyond a fourth grade level?

I anxiously await a reasoned response that is on point, dumb a$$.

roadmaster
Well said!

ProfGene
You are absolutely right that our regime change policy (Clinton's) didn't take into consideration that Islam is inherently un-democratic, anti-personal freedom and extremely volitol by nature. So what is the point of deep anal analysis of past decisions?

I think if we broke it, we own it and had better look ahead at what needs to be done to fix it. And pulling out isn't a fix, it's an invitation for more violence, re: Beruit, Somalia, USS Cole, and on and on. They actually believe they can bring us down, and that's a BIG problem unless we can squash them with more brutality than they're ready and willing to bring to us.

Thanks Cookie
And to add to your comments about Haliburton: They do contracts that only one other company in the world can handle, and it's FRENCH. Kellog, Brown, and Root, the subsidiary of Haliburton which handles most of the work, is one of the biggest construction companies in the world, with incredible assets, skill and experience (Kuwait oil fires) which is far superior to anyone on earth. No Bull.

"Flip-flop" or flim-flam?
The polls that have been conducted while Bush is stalling on doing anything following the recommendations of the ISG are clear - about 70% of Americans disapprove of the war, depending how the question is phrased. New lows for Bush. It's true there are distortions on both sides of media, this site included - but even Bush finally admitted "It's bad in Iraq" in the UK the other day, for which he received a long, long, long applause - the "polite" sarcasm of the British.

As a political animal, I believe Bush's only concern is himself, saving face and trying not to appear as a flip-flopper, regardless of how much money and casualties it will cost. Though the American public has overwhelmingly told pollsters they want out, it is only after learning in detail how intelligence was manipulated. Rove's strategy from long ago has been to label this flip-flop as cowardice and has succeeded in convincing many to continue supporting the war. But bookstore shelves are now brimming with exactly how Bush distorted facts and flim-flammed the public and Congress. They are expert manipulators, staying on the offensive with the "stay the course" tour, followed by the "cut and run" campaign, all distracting from the "Hey wait, this is an illegar war" reality. The slow manner in which the info about non existent WMDs, Rumsfeld and Cheney's on-air lies were all refuted was a slow, oozing process, minimized every day by GOP backpedalling. "Mistakes were made" translated means okay, you caught us but we're still in charge and you won't be able to bounce us.

Much of the right is in a strange flux right now, some distancing themselves from Bush, some just covering other stories. Powell and Kissinger bailed, though Hannity and Coulter deserve credit for sticking to Bush, if nothing else they are loyal subjects.

If the pro-war set here is preaching installing "Democracy" across the Mid East, though, when will we start acting like one here? As in the majority rules, the people have spoken. It's interesting here in Townhall, where it's a lively debate pro/anti war, but in the real world, it's decided (poll links below). Don't be disheartened though pro-war people, the politicians don't act based on the wishes of the public. They'll take token steps like some oversight of crooked contractors and cutting down on congressional gifts and trips, but will fall far short of impeachment and withholding the next war appropriation. Unless the polls show an massive surge in a demand for political accountability, the Dems will be cutting deals and horse trading in the same way they always have, leaving ethics reform candidates on the fringe because money drives this country, not integrity.


http://www.smh.com.au/news/general/support-for-bush-on-iraq-hits-new-low/2006/12/14/1165685811799.html
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7005857170
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/11/opinion/polls/main2247797.shtml
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-12/14/content_5484164.htm

VNam69
Thank you for your service. My brother served in Nam also. So, I know exactly what you are saying about how the guys felt when they came home from Nam. My brother did not talk about it for years because he felt so much shame and humiliation when he got back here in the states and was bludgeoned with hateful attacks on his character so he just hid it for years. He merely followed the family tradition, my father, WWII, my uncles Korea, and Nam. Unlike the other wars, WWII and Korea, he didn't come back as a "hero" but as a "baby killer" according to the leftist wackos.

When my brother's son joined the Marines following the family tradition my brother was against it because he felt like America no longer could endure "winning" a war and he didn't want his son to suffer what he did. But, his son joined anyway and so far has served in Afghanistan. His son found out almost immediately how bad the media is because CNN followed them around reporting events skewed and flat out wrong. Now he hates CNN and all MSM outlets for their lies.

Next comment:
Songo spells stupid as stoopid. Need anyone say anything further about whose intelligence is in question here.

coulterfan:
Many people here on this thread have served or are family members of people served/serving.
How about enlisting yourself? It would give you something to do other than denigrate people.

The source of information - Wingo
The web site linked is sponsored by an organization that ghas as its goals

"This program works to change the criminal justice system in the United States by focusing on:

Alternatives to incarceration for:
Non-violent drug offenders
People with mental illness
Youth
Immigrants subject to detention and deportation for minor crimes
Systemic change in policies and practices related to:
Arrest, conviction and sentencing
Parole and probation
Successful integration of formerly incarcerated people back into society, including:
Reentry planning and implementation at the state and local level
Removal of state imposed social and legal barriers to reentry "


What the dickens do they know about Iraq?
or Mexico?

Sean Interviews Troops In Mosul (VIDEO)
Ann:

You have it right. Why don't these fossils in the ISG listen to the actual boots on the ground? I have the footage of Sean interviewing them on my site MsUnderestimated.com.

Regards,
Ms. U

bluedog
Let me add to number 7. You have to believe it is OK to kill innocent life but it is not OK to kill the guilty.

You know guys and girls
I believe i am no worse than tied for the record of being sent to Siberia 3 times in less than 3 months. I am currently using my son's handle. I have been careful about abusive language, ad hominem attacks, or even bothering to rebut left wing views. However i have been vehement about the handling of illegal aliens by the current power structure in DC.????????????

Cookie
"I know folks like you think we don't pay enough taxes."

I'm no liberal. I think I pay way too much in taxes. Eventually, the Iraq war will cost all of us in the form of higher taxes (gotta pay for it someday).

I think you're making the mistake of assuming everyone who believes the war in Iraq is a mess is a liberal. If that were true, there wouldn't be many of us conservatives left, since about 70% of Americans now want us out of Iraq.

"In case you did not know it, we're STILL in Bosnia as the Euros can't police their own frigging backyard."

Ok, but when was the last time one of our troops was blown to peices over there? There's a difference between peace keeping and nation building (which Bush told us he was opposed to before he was elected president).

Savage 99
LOL!

I'm that exclusive club as well!

I'm careful as h*ll now as I have too much reference material on my blog to lose it by attacking some dimblub libdolt.

coulterfan
You used a Wikipedia page as a source?

Wow, I haven't seen that since I left Dummycrats Underground today.

Here on TH, we kinda prefer CREDIBLE sources, not sources where my kid and go in and edit.

But thanks for the laugh.

Fact check for Cookie:
Revenues did not double under Reagan. They went from 599.3 billion to 909.3 billion. About a 52% gain. (Hint: don’t go to Hannity for facts...just download a copy of the historical budget from the congressional Budget office)
Revenues went up 75% under Clinton by comparison.

Since World War 2, in terms of real dollars, the 10 worst annual budget deficits occurred under:

10. Bush 41
9. Clinton
8. Reagan
7. Reagan
6. Reagan
5. Bush 41
4. Bush 41
3. Bush 43
2. Reagan
1. Bush 43


Bullwinkle
You mean under those dot.com companies that produced nothing, paid some taxes, and went bust?

With all of the legislation that Drop-Trou signed into law in the "Final Days", I find it hard to believe that he did anything but cost us more money, time, and resources.

Coulterfan, Songo, and Roadmaster
You’re way behind the curve. Many, including myself, have already tried to re-up. At 67 however, they said no go. How about you coulterfan, are you willing to fight and maybe die to preserve this country’s freedom it has so willingly bestowed on you?

Before you question someone else’s willingness to give their all put yourself at the front of the enlistment line. After, you sign on the dotted line, you can then question someone else’s sincerity.

Frankly, I doubt if there’s a combat experienced CO that would consider you qualified for entry level latrine duty.

Songo: I see you think you know it all. Let’s see now, that makes you another sidewalk general/lawer. So, why don’t you get in line with Coulterfan? Maybe they will let you carry Coulterfan’s bucket and mop.

Yellow stripes on a man or women’s back is not a sign of adulthood.


Roadmaster: The 03 is a great rifle. Should you consider replacing it, take a look at the 338. It is said it can penetrate TOC body armor at 1000 (yes 1,000) yds. I’m looking for a left handed model.


Try again, coulterfan
A wikipedia link citing a widely discredited survey of civilian deaths? Is that the best you can do? http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/MAC253535.htm

Conservative estimates of death rates under Sadaam's regime place the death toll at about 3k/mo avg. for his entire "presidency". There have only been about 6 months since the war began in which death rates have topped 3000.

Iraq, over all, is a more dangerous place for the average Achmed to be out and about since the war began because the violence in country now is completely random - anyone walking down the street or eating lunch is a potential victim. Whereas, under Sadaam, it was targeted and people knew, somewhat, how to live below the radar, so to speak. But the likelihood of dying is still smaller now, statistically speaking.

Typical of a lib, "No facts are going to get in the way of MY opinions!" You should really try opening your mind to reality. It is extremely liberating.

Mulroney
Where in my posts did I actually mention the word IRAQ? Why do you assume I am in lock step and in full support of what is going on there? My point is that many like Coulterfan, automatically look for ways to protest anything backed by a Conservative. If these types were really true to their alleged convictions, they would have been protesting pre-Bosnia just like they were pre-IRAQ.

The only fair conclusion is that these protestors are the perpetual left-leaning whiners that will show up to protest on orders while the rest of us have jobs to go to.

Songo
What deep stuff. No wonder we feel so inferior to guys like you. I may have to go to a pschiatrist to get over my inferiority complex. Nah! That's what limp wristed, leftist elites who think they are hilarious do.

Yeah, conservative guys like me and my friends, kicking butt in the business world and taking care of our families sure feel inferior to such obvious superior intellect.

Songo
If you read instead of spouting you would know that Gunny served as did many others, he was proud of his service.

I'll ask you a question now that you have questioned their bravery. How you ever been shot at or had rockets come down near where you were trying to sleep?

Do you have relatives in Iraq whether you agree with the policy? I would think you would want to have them have the best equipment and supplies until the war is over or we quit, which ever it happens to be?

By the way Songo

You are so critical of the language on the "right wing post".

It is absolutely civil compared to some of the " left wing" posts ( daily Kos with their
"F*** this" and their "S*** on you" and other such midschool language.

Songo
Do your tough guy screen names like Warrior and Gunny make you tough?
GunnyG has served his country. I don't know about Warrior.
Songo, do you realize you sound like a prepubescent teenager? Your comments are childish and immature.
Contrary to your self imposed grandeur, you sound and read like a buffoon.

songo
No cut-and-paste, huh? Then you wasted your time. All that effort searching and pecking out your "original" thoughts, not a word of which hasn't been written by some other moonbat 800 times today. I've seen the same talking points so many times, I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort of Turrettes outbreak on te moon. "Bush lied! Bush lied! Geh...Halliburton!" How about a substantive argument, for a change?

Cliffhanger said...
..You were asking Ann about going to Iraq, When and where did you serve in the Military. Don't open your mouth until you can honestly answer these questions. You are also talking like a liberal idiot.

I served in the Army from '82 to '92. You assumed I didn't serve; we all know what assuming does. You are talking like a conservative idiot.

robin
Thanks for your service.

Gosh, if you'd studied harder, you know, made an effort to be smart, maybe you wouldn't have ended up in the Army for 10 years.

Wingo
Maybe I would have stayed for 20 if I wasn't gay. Since I am I chose not to hide any more. I've been with my partner, also prior service, for over 24 years. The military loses many that are willing to serve because we finally want to really be free and live. It is so weird that you are a fine member as long as no one knows the truth and when they do, you are no longer good enough. That hurts.

Robin
I agree. Although I disagree with your lifestyle, service should be based solely on desire, merit and ability, and not on what you do in your free time provided it's legal.

I have a friend serving in Baghdad now whose unit, prior to being deployed, had rampant alcohol and substance abuse problems - legitimate reasons for dismissal in my book. Now they're treating the wounded and building hospitals.

By the way, I never did serve. I was too selfish when my time came (gulf war 1). Now I wish I had.

Songo
FYI Songo, because I work at home, I was able to watch the towers event from the time the second plane hit. Our TV was on 24/7. To say it was horrendous is an understatement. But I was not in it and neither were you. Don’t try to lay claim to something you are not. Your posturing has no meat to it.

Are we tough guys? I’ve not seen anyone claim to be. Have we walked the walk? Some have some not. Those of us that have however, are trying to open you eyes to what is inevitable should the left have its way, again. See Vietnam.

When it comes to defending this nation, conservatives are not flippant. We are a …very… serious… group. Our nation and our families come first. I, for one, wish it were not so, war is the ultimate hell on earth. But history has proven us right time and time again.

In this would “[t]here are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” Will Rogers

Songo, you obviously fall into the third category.

A few answers
Beijing instead of Peking? That is just a transliteration issue. The Brits that decided on the original transliteration scheme had a P for a B sound and a K for a J sound. So Peking was pronounced Beijing. Not so hard to understand. Just a lot of people were messing it up hence the change.

I think the turn in understanding that we are losing the war is more or less the same thing. If you have been watching public opinion, support for the war been declining for a long time. There has been a growing sense among Americans that we can't win and need to get out. (I think we are losing and need a change of course, but that if we leave, it will be worse than if we stay.)

Interestingly enough, a couple of days ago, a Shimon Peres, the co-PM of Israel said that the US was in an "unwinnable" situation in Iraq. He has even less faith than I do. But for our only ally in the area on this matter to say this is pretty telling.

I would suggest, Coulter, that you take your head out of the sand and look at what is really going on in Iraq. Yes, the ISG report was bad, but no worse than the current course (probably because it was based off the same issues of lack of field research).

If we dont change course, we will lose. No doubt about it. Just as we are losing in Afghanistan (less and less territory controlled by the Karzai gov't each year). In both cases, we messed up just as we did in Vietnam by backing a government which lacks any credibility with the people it is supposed to govern. This has to be addressed before we can win, but if it is, we might yet prevail.

This is not WWII, it is Vietnam. In fact, it is worse than Vietnam because we arent even facing a centralized enemy. The ICG (not the ISG) counts no less than 4 major insurgent organizations. Maybe we can yet avoid the mistakes of the past.

Mr. Pooh
Sorry this is a day late and doubt you'll see it, but just incase let me say this. I regret to this day what we did to the Vietnamese people when we pulled our Air Support in 75'. Granted the darlings of the Universities and media in this country, the North Vietnamese, promised not to reinvade the country when we left, but Communists are liars same as the enemy we fight today. The South Vietnamese Army held on to the the country until we pulled our air and were invaded again from the North with massive armour attacks they could not defend against. We left them prepared to fight the war the way it had been fought not an all out assault. My Division alone, (1st Air Cav), had more helicopters than the entire ARVN Army. Mr. Pooh, the medal I have that I am most proud of is my Vietnamese Civil Actions Medal. It was given by the S.Vietnamese for all the good work we did with the Vietnamese people. I loved them and tried to learn the language and the customs. I believed we were there to help them. What really cracked me up when I got home was the way I was treated by my peers and some of the things they said. All were in college and I remember one former friend who said to me, "The Vietnamese don't even want us there!" I replied, "...that's odd. The ones I talked to were glad we were there. How many have you talked to?" There was a perplexed look on her face and she replied, "I haven't talked to any but that's what my professors tell me." Typical of then and typical of now. Ask any Korean War Vet when he first returned from Korea if he thought within 50 years we'd be buying automobiles from Korea or that they would become an industrial power. Ask WWII Vets the same about Japan. History and eventually the Iraqi people will determine what the history of this current war will be. I just love listening to all the Know-it-all's that can make these predictions, (like how we'll suffer 10's of thousands of deaths trying to defeat the vaunted Iraqi Army), when they can't even predict the weather accurately.

To all others who had nice things to say to me, Thank you from the bottom of my heart. To those of you supporting our troops with your words, prayers, and actions, God Bless you. And to everyone else enjoying your freedom, THANK A VETERAN. And to all I say....MERRY CHRISTMAS!

A few observations
If you libs think Bush is such a dunce, then you must think Kerry is even dumber, since despite all his frat boy antics in college his grades were better than Kerry's.
The "amoral" label belongs to the traitorus liberals (socialists) who will allow our country to go to the Islamo-Nazis without a fight, because of their hatred of Bush.
Vnam69 is right. We did not have the foresight to finish what we began because of the "useful idiots" attending our colleges. An interesting note. The highest ranking KGB agent to defect to the west was on tv several years ago and told of how during the Viet Nam war, the KGB sent operatives to infiltrate university campus' to influence the debate on the war. The young skulls full of mush bought it and we made the terrible error of leaving millions to be killed by the communists.


redeploymnet
TB asked that someone point out one thing that she said that's not true.

That's easy, EVERYTHING SHE SAYS IS MOVEON.ORG GARBAGE.

Way to go Ann, keep on keeping on.

Oh yeah, "B1" Bob Dorman would be a good running mate.

The Old Coot

Ralph - the boy who ate ALL his caps
Everything in your little tirade was going smooth until your "...young skulls full of mush" statement. Even we commie pinko liberals know a "Rush-ism" when we hear it! Anybody stupid enough to believe that drugged chicken hawk is, well, er ummm, how do I say this...kkkonservative!?!

Yo Cookie
"Protest Bosnia"? This is one of the places where conservatives and libs are different in character. When our troops are sent in harms' way, we conservatives support them AND the mission until they complete their mission. We know that any public dissent, although certainly permitted, will give aid and comfort to our enemy. The best example was the war in Viet Nam, when Gen. Giap, the commander of the North Vietnamese Army said they were about to give up until the public outcry was so great here in the U.S., he knew if they just hung on long enough, we would leave like everyone else before us. The point is, less of our troops as well as several million civilians would have been killed in Viet Nam and Cambodia had we shown a united front here, whether or not we civilians approved of the mission.

Bush is a liar, not a dunce
He just likes to pretend he is stupid.

Unfortunately, Kerry was an even bigger liar.

Who, on their deathbead, says, "Integrity, integrity, integrity?"

Skulls Full of Mush

was from "The Paper Chase's" Professor Kingsfield played by John Houseman. It is not a "Rushism." But even if it were, so what?

Also, EINHVERFR, whatever the fork that is, Bush is not a liar. People (like you) who SAY that he is are superb examples of blind fanatacism.

I've read all the garbage that "proves" Bush lied, all the hate-filled invective that avers Bush is an idiot. Without exception, the fantatics of the left are just plain IGNORANT....

And vicious.

WMD and Kennedy's Dream
I'm sick to DEATH of hearing about "WMDs". That was not the only reason we went to war in Iraq, *nor even the important reason*.

Iraq fired missiles at our aircraft patrolling the "no-fly" zone. THAT RIGHT THERE is why *I* wanted Iraq made into a damp stain in the desert.

From the gitgo, Ann has said we need to invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. She's on the right track. The conquest of Iraq makes an isolated, surrounded Iran, ready for invasion from east and west. A pacified Iraq gives us a base from which to launch attacks on Syria. The invasion of Iraq was a brilliant and bold stroke. Giving them democracy was the ONLY option we were given, since 40% of Americans are liberals.

American liberals don't want to hear that we're conquering Iraq, that there's an American in charge, and that Iraqis are under the iron boot of American forces. (the same liberals who laude fallen female officers in our military, Hello Michelle Malkin...) Which that much of the population opposed to any kind of aggressive action in Iraq, the only course open was attempted democracy. American troops should NEVER have been made the servants of the Iraqis. Quite the opposite.

Back to WMDs and Kennedy's Dream... The only way to get liberals off their duffs to do what needs doing was to incite them on some emotional crusade. When they thought their precious butts were going to be killed by WMDs, they were all for the war. But when they discovered we were merely doing the right thing, then they lost their emotional interest.

Just like in the 1960s, when instead of the profit and adventure to be had in exploiting outer space, liberals looked to "fulfilling Kennedy's dream". And just like the teenager who falls asleep after playing with himself, they lost interest once we reached the moon, having NEVER recognized the advantage and necessity of the space program (but they live for their cell phones and microwave ovens, today...) They never even had the brains to question whether Kennedy was any more truthful about his "dream" than Clinton was about Monica Lewinksi. Doesn't matter. Liberals were on an emotional tear.

Liberals are merely wasted (sheep)skin, who must be herded from crisis to crisis to be anything more than a burden on decent society. The only way we're going to get them to support the pacification of the middle east is if a nuclear bomb goes off in a minor U.S. city as CNN is broadcasting a joint conference of all middle eastern nations, wherein each representative takes credit for said bomb. Then, *maybe* (after having asserted that we had it coming) liberals might support the pacification of the middle-east... but don't bet on it.

Liberals like to complain about semantics, pretending that words don't mean things. That way they can say whatever they want, and like Humpty Dumpty, later claim they meant the complete opposite. If semantics is unimportant, why did we have to give up the accurate "Q-word" in favor of the totally inaccurate "Gay" word? If it's not important, why did we change? Why not let us keep "chairman" and keep naming Hurricanes after females (ONLY)? Obviously, liberals realise that words DO mean something, and, like Big Brother of 1984, they want to control how people frame arguments, and control how people view the world.
So yes, the war of semantics is just another front of the war on terror. And it's past time conservatives went on the offensive.

surrender
the way i reason/see it had our illustrious and articulate president taken his military duties seriously those many years ago, he would have known how to handle this fiasco. He would have know to trust the chain of command, i.e his field general and senior ncos who did take their time in service very seriously. of course you are always going to have the yes soldiers. after almost 22 years of military service along with four other of my family members, we did a daily commentary on the war ourselves and trust you me, everything we predicted, because we were soldiers, knew how this war would turn out. there need not have ever been any talk of surrender at all. always number one on our minds, was who asked the United States to come over to Iraq to free its citizens and to offer them a taste of democracy? since you seem to be in the President's hip pocket, can you share that name with us. since this country is an icon when it comes to freedom, i suggest we have some foreign entity come over to save our citizens from the brutality rendered on them here. it has gotten so bad in Iraq that GeorgeI has had to send in his henchmen to at least attempt to straighten out the mess that GeorgeII has started. Now James Baker is being vilified by the right, in 2000 he was everybody's hero. how dirty you guys on the right are and very fickle too. you have no loyalty to anything or anyone

Annie – Great Piece!

Equivocation is just one more way of blurring the lines. Our enemies (here and abroad) however, understand all too well what the stakes are and they are banking on our lack of resolve. This clash of civilizations has the mark of destiny and it will be fought, regardless of and perhaps more so because of the appeasement crowd, a.k.a., liberals. I think it's far better for us to be taking the battle to them (on all fronts) then to be waiting for them to take the battle to us.

Make no mistake, mistakes were made
I find a few points being debated here interesting, namely MsUnderestimated, who feels that Hannity's interview piece is somehow a reflection of the wishes of the many. This is not a scientific sampling indicating the wishes of the troops, this a pro-Hannity interview on Fox, one of the least respected sources for unbiased news in the country. Just as every US citizen is entitled to their opinion, this interview is with soldiers who agree with Sean, without allowing soldiers who don't equal time to air their statements. Note Hannity setting up the questions to ensure as much emotion and drama is infused as possible.

But we need to heed in the wishes of the majority, the very definition of democracy. The majority of the people want our military out of Iraq, the majority of troops wants out of Iraq and the majority of Iraqi people want us out. And this has nothing to do with me personal opinion, I don't think we should get out right now personally! But I believe the will of the people, soldiers and Iraqis should be carried out, even over my own opinion.

This is the formula for responsible journalism: present who, what, when, where, why and how - in balance, finding the most informed and eloquent sources for information possible and allow the listener to make up their mind. If Hannity's piece was about "how soldiers in Iraq feel about serving and the politicization of the war", where was an opposing viewpoint? Noticibly absent, especially in light of surveys conducted in March 2006 by Zogby that over 70% of troops wanted out by January and according to past polls, that figure is growing. If Hannity truly cared about the troops, why wouldn't he allow a single soldier who feels this way to say so in his report? Because it's propaganda, not journalism. Hannity only cares about troops who share his views.

In direct contrast, the upcoming issue of The Nation magazine will publish a petition signed by 1,000 current GIs including many officers, protesting this war for various reasons - some political, some strategic, some moral - but all with the same aim. For comparison, nothing like this has happened since 1969 when 1,200 troops published their names in the NY Times in a petition against the Vietnam war.

Silly Ann, it wasn't overnight
Only fools have thought we are winning the war in Iraq for over a year now. That's why the republicans lost congress. American's want competent leadership.

This isn't a video game where you keep score by how many of our guys are killed vs. how many of theirs. Its about standing up a stable democratic government that isn't in the pocket of one militia or another and securing the country so people aren't being kidnapped and killed by death squads and militias. Its about rebuilding the infrastructure so that the electricity stays on longer than during Saddam's reign.

None of these things are happening. Until they do we are not winning.
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