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Saturday, January 20, 2007
Doug Giles :: Townhall.com Columnist
Southern Fried Children
by Doug Giles
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I’m ready to begin a Charlie Bronson vigilante campaign against teenage hoodlums that terrorize their families and our neighborhoods. How I would love to shatter the knee caps, prune the tongues and staple the lips of these demonic kids I see disrespecting their parents, elders and others with impunity.

With it being illegal to dust these little bastions of bad behavior (unless they commit a forcible felony against me) I’ve come up with an alternative avenue to release my angst, as most efforts to change these terrible teens are hopeless. Only by becoming the prison bride of a big guy in jail, catching an STD or via a Damascus Road experience will these Legion-possessed lemmings leave their path of doom.

Therefore, I’ve decided to turn to you, the new parent, and give you some guidance in rearing that fresh little bambino God has just blessed you with. Omit these foundational lessons, and your kid will probably try to stab you in your sleep for not getting him the new Nikes he asked for.

The principles I’m about to volley into your court are not new or original. They have been a part of the South and its heritage for many years, and their roots are biblical. Herewith is my ripped-off version of the recipe I got from Clint Johnson (who got it from Emily Post, who got it from whomever) for Southern Fried Children.

1. Don’t flaunt your advantages. The Southern Fried Child doesn’t flaunt who they are, where they went to school or their net worth. Yeah, the bells and smells, the incense and nonsense afforded by certain advantages (earned or otherwise) don't mean Shiite to a Southerner if used as a fig leaf to veil ones lack of character and humility.

2. Everyone deserves respect until they demonstrate they don’t deserve it. The Southern Fried Child believes that all men are created in the image of God and should be treated with respect until that person shows they don’t deserve it (like Rosie does on a daily basis).

That means you don’t slap, spit or drop the F-bomb on your parents, sonny boy. I asked Ted Nugent one time what he would do if one of his sons told him to F-off like Kelly and Jack Osborne regularly tell Ozzy and Sharon to do. Ted said, “I’d tear off their head and _______ down their throat.”

It’s amazing to watch 3, 5 & 15 year-old kids unleash their venom on their parents and others and then walk away smacking their gum. If my kids ever did that to me or their mom, their teeth would be lying on the ground. The Southern Fried Child respects parents, old people, teachers, police, peers and opponents—unless forced by said person to do otherwise.

3. Titles are important. The Southern Fried Child still calls their elders “sir” or “ma’am.” I’ve got friends who have adult children with families of their own who make a very nice living, are close to my age and still call me “sir.” When the Southern Fried Child addresses a man, it is always as “Mr. (last name)” and a woman as “Mrs.” or “Miss (last name)” until they’ve been green lighted to use their first name or nickname.

4. Everyone else matters before you do. The Southern Fried Child is here to serve not be served. They do weird stuff like open the door for others. They don’t rush an elevator knocking down granny to get on first. When they come into a situation they assess what others might need, not what they can get from people or places.

5. Be helpful. The Southern Fried Child sees a lady with a flat on her car and helps her. The other day I was out in front of a Publix Supermarket and watched a burglary in progress. The guy ran out of the store, cash in hand, with the clerk and security guards chasing him. It looked fun so, I joined in the chase. The clerk and the guard ran out of juice, and I (along with a cop) got to tackle the dude and jam his face into the cement. (One of those little perks God drops in your lap every now and then.) Bottom line with those raised south of the Mason-Dixon is: whether it’s with tackling a punk or packing a trunk, The Southern Fried Child is programmed to H-E-L-P not hinder.

6. Be friendly. The Southern Fried Child smiles. They’re not sullen or vexed. They’re not walking around like the psycho chicks and metrosexual males in Miami in a pout pretending to be the next angry supermodel. The SFC says hello and starts friendly conversations. When I take my buddies hunting with me to Texas or Alabama, they’re blown away at how friendly people are. We’ll be driving down a Farm to Market Road in the middle of nowhere, meet a truck coming the opposite direction and our host will wave. Invariably, one of my friends then asks, “Who was that?” and our host replies, “I don’t know.” Then my jaded friends give me a confused look and ask me quietly why he waved. I whisper back, “People down here are friendly . . . . watch out—it might rub off on you.”

7. Use the right words. When asked a question, the Southern Fried Child doesn’t reply with “Huh?” “What?” or “Yeah.” It’s “Please,” “Thank you” or “Yes or no thank you.” They are kids who respectfully ask and don’t demand.

Southern families, by and large, don’t allow their kids to act like a spoiled, rabid, egocentric animals. Good manners and propriety are expected of us “stupid” old rednecks and our offspring. New mom and dad, instill the above Southern qualities into your new baby, and when he or she grows up, they’ll thank you in spades—and they’ll be leaders wherever they go.

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Doug Giles’ new book “If You're Going Through Hell, Keep Going!" is now available. Ann Coulter says "Doug Giles is a substantive and funny tour de force for traditional values.” Doug’s talk show and video blog can be seen and heard at www.ClashRadio.com.
 
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Southern State Violence
Mr. Giles I love your columns. You're definitely on the right track. You're a great American, but I feel I must point out something that you and your readers might not be aware of.

Eleven of the traditional sixteen "southern states" are in the top 50% of the most violent states per capita in America.

I wish every "southern fried child" were as polite and courteous as you portray. But here's the truth about how eleven of the southern states rank in terms of acts of robbery, rape and murder.

Many of your readers probably won't consider Washington D.C. as a "southern state", but it is number one in violent crimes per capita and I consider it to be southern...

State Violent Crime Rank

Washington D.C. 1
South Carolina 2
Florida 3
Maryland 4
Tennessee 5
Louisiana 6
Texas 12
Oklahoma 14
Arkansas 15
North Carolina 20
Alabama 22

I'll take the northern New England states of New Hampshire, Vermont and Maine which rank 47th, 48th and 49th in per capita rates of rape, robbery and murder.

In the state of Maine, where I live for instance, there were only twelve (12) murders in the entire state for the year 2000.

Furthermore, guess what? We still wave "hello" to complete strangers who pass us by on the street.

Granted is the fact that we're perhaps we have a bit less old fashioned manners than many in the south, but at least we don't kill each other as often.

Proud to be a "Northern Fried Mainer"

Marc
http://www.SaveTheGuns.com

Applying the board of education
Cosby and Nugent have insights that many pop culture cosmopolitans from Pinkville don't want to hear. Another source of raising children is contained in a book written by the wisest man in history that unfortunately didn't heed his insights all the time.

King Solomon was big on applying the board of education on the seat of learning. He wrote an entire book around this central theme called 'Proverbs'.

Thanks to a society under the influence of a poisonous ideology called Marxist secular humanism AKA LIBERALISM for many years we have become a nation of miscreants, or the blind leading the blind.

The only way 'We the people . . .' are going to be able to turn this RED TIDE of societal destruction is to turn the light on up stairs. Let it shine its light on the list of candidates that are pro American family AKA real neocons.

Pay attention to representative government and its current crop of malefeasant derilects. It is they that sully the waters of what used to be traditonal God fearing, flag waving, Bible thumping, gun toteing, red white and blue God, country, mom, baseball and apple pie America.

GOD BLESS TED NUGENT and BILL COSBY and their truth crusade --- THE PATRIOT.

Hey You
My mother used to say, "Kids don't hear you when you shout." I'll agree that sometimes we do a better job of getting our message across in a "quiet but very firm" voice.

Also, if children "forget" to obey reasonable requests/demands, they soon learn to recognize that angry tone in mom or dad's voice.

Then they know they've pushed too far.

Where Good Manners Come From

I well recall hearing many decades age (on the radio, yet) a child-rearing specialist advise parents that if you shout at a child to 'Stop running!", he won't learn to stop running; he'll learn to shout.

Children's good manners are dependent upon the manners of their adult leaders.

"The Perfect Squelch" by Phineas
To an ignorant, smart-mouthed young woman who had the bad manners to complain when Phineas held a door for her, he could not have replied in a more appropriate way. Let me repeat it.

"Ma'am, I held the door for you not because I had any suspicion that you were a lady, but because I was CERTAIN that I am a gentleman."

Beautiful! I'd like to believe this ?feminist? learned a life-long lesson.

I happen to be from the northeast. Almost every man and woman, regardless of age, holds the doors for others. And almost always, the response is a warm "thank you".

Good manners ARE important in maintaining a civil society, but they have to be taught in the home.


Courtesy
"Courtesy is the lubricant on the gears of civilization".
It keeps us from striking sparks off of each other.
I use the honorifics "Sir" and "Ma'am" all of the time in everyday discourse. Occasionally someone will say something to the effect of "You don't have to call me Sir (or Ma'am)", and I reply, "I treat people as I expect to be treated." Sometimes it takes a moment for the import of that statement to sink in.
Holding a door for a young lady one day elicited the following exchange:
Young lady: "I don't need you to hold any door for me!"
Phineas: "Ma'am, I held the door for you not because I had any suspicion that you were a lady, but because I was CERTAIN that I am a gentleman."

Now she's really got a bug.

Courtesy
"Courtesy is the lubricant on the gears of civilization".
It keeps us from striking sparks off of each other.
I use the honorifics "Sir" and "Ma'am" all of the time in everyday discourse. Occasionally someone will say something to the effect of "You don't have to call me Sir (or Ma'am)", and I reply, "I treat people as I expect to be treated." Sometimes it takes a moment for the import of that statement to sink in.
Holding a door for a young lady one day elicited the following exchange:
Young lady: "I don't need you to hold any door for me!"
Phineas: "Ma'am, I held the door for you not because I had any suspicion that you were a lady, but because I was CERTAIN that I am a gentleman.

Now she's really got a bug.

Souther kids
Many comments are right on. I have lived in Texas now for almost 12 years and have seen some of the worst mannered children ever. The not only talk back to parents, but call them names in public. Never anywhere I lived in the north did I see this. My kids both raised mainly in Montana were always respectful, and well behaved.
It is not the region but the parents who affect the outcome.

Not Mr. Giles best.
I think Mr. Giles confuses basic good manners with what is BEST of the South. ALL Southerners do NOT act this way, nor have they throughout history. All "yankees" and "foreigners" are NOT bad mannered and thoughtless of others.

As for his opening...

"...I’ve decided to turn to you, the new parent, and give you some guidance in rearing that fresh little bambino God has just blessed you with."

Rather than showing the reader the respect he demands of others, a resepct he claims in integral to being "Southr'n" he disrespects through his condescension. Sorry, Mr Giles, but do you think the Townhall readership really IS bent on raising monsters? I somehow doubt it.

funny
The Reverend (self proclaimed) Doug Giles, man of God, pretty much sizes up his character in the first paragraph. It’s hard enough to take him seriously, but the idea that what he delivers is the Word of God is down right insulting.

Of course, I suppose it goes over very well with the crowd that freely demeans the north yet takes great offense if the same was done to the south.

I am a Southerner by birth and
currently live in Ohio. I am raising my son, who we adopted as a baby, to be a Southern Gentlemen. It is difficult when most of his school buddies have no manners at all. He is learning to stay in his seat at the table, and asked to be excused. He says "yes sir", and "no ma'am, please and thank you". Locals here are amazed at his manners but he just fit in, down in Georgia, where we used to live.
I am also planning to raise our newly adopted daughter to be a southern lady with respectful ways. She will not be dropping the F-Bomb like some of the trampy teens I hear locally. She will also say "please and thank you".
If anyone on this blog does not see the benefits of good manners, they obviously have none.

Southern Fried Kids
I was raised in western PA - not "south of the border". I am 74 and first generation American from English immigrants. As a child I remember visiting my grandparents home. I had my own little seat in the corner of the room. When my grandfather, who was a coal miner, got up to leave the room, everyone stood up until he left. When he re-appeared in the doorway everyone stood until he was seated. I am a pastor and have found the Scriptural basis for this practice. Read Genesis 31:35; Exodus 20:12; and Leviticus 19:32. As a child I also gave my seat on the bus to a lady - young or old. Additionally, it was "yes sir", "no sir". I didn't have much to learn when I entered Naval service in 1952. It has served me well.

You're A Busy Man, Doug
Writing about the glories of the old South, running down criminals, and puttin' the Yankees in their place. Now I'm stationed in Hampton Roads, Virginia, and I have yet to encounter the friendliness or gentility that is entwined in Southern behavior, and I'm from Chicago for cripes sake.

And you didn't really write "thank you in spades"--do they still sell slaves in the South?

I might add that y'all ain't gonna have no football teams in the Supah Bowl.

AudiR10
I've sometimes wondered where some young parents in the current generation learned their manners (or lack of manners). Maybe they are merely copying their own upbringing, or an "I'll make my own rules" mindset.

You mention "...somebody's mother says 'Oh, he can call me Bambi'..." And you say no to that. I agree with you.

The reverse of that scenario is when the tot's parent teaches his child to call you by your first name. No matter that you are an adult, even one old enough to be this child's grandparent!

In this case, must one bow to the desire of the young parent, despite finding it offensive?






First, teach your child how to speak
"...demonic kids I see disrespecting their parents,..."

It's SHOW DISRESPECT FOR!

Yes, I see nice caucasian boys having these servant-minded rules being jammed down their throats. I see them taking the back seat to girls and other races while said girls and "minorites" grab the attention, benefits, and generally act as they please. No thank you, stop preaching for my kind to become an underclass.

"Everyone deserves respect until they demonstrate they don’t deserve it. "

NONSENSE. Respect is EARNED, not owed, and this applies doubly to children. They have to behave in a civilized manner to earn respect. Their elders have already earned respect from their viewpoint because... THEY ARE ADULTS.

That's the one thing you're missing in your diatribe. It's not that these children are not being taught the basics of civilized behavior (they're not), but that they are not being reminded that they are NOT EQUALS to adults. Adults have *earned* the right to drop the f-bomb, to scratch where it itches, to interrupt others conversations based on nothing more than their own judgement. Children are wards of adults and have not. The greatest problem I see in younger generations is that they have not been taught that, until the magic age of 18, they are NOT EQUALS. "But daddy does it" should never be an excuse. "You're not daddy."

"3. Titles are important."

This one I agree with. I'm sick to death of the familiarity between people anymore. It comes from the idiot box showing every intimate personal human activity as if everything should be public, and everyone is related.

"... Southern families, by and large, don’t allow their kids to act like a spoiled, rabid, egocentric animals. ..."
you need to insert the word "caucasian" behind the word "Southern" there, and replace "kids" with "boys". I live in the South, I live in a "multicultural" neighborhood (across from a gradeschool), and the Southern children who are polite and obey virtually every one of your rules are all pale-complected and male.

Remember the Golden Rule:
Give other people every bit as much respect as YOU would like others to show you.

It never ceases to amaze me how often the very people who complain about others "disrespecting them" are the LAST people willing to show respect for others. They don't seem to comprehend the notion that when respect is given, it is more likely to be received in turn.

Vanity, thy name is Entitled.

Jeb: RIP Lenny Briscoe
Jerry Orback is much missed.

Agreed
It is time the adults take charge and clamp down on this behavior. But we also have to go to hollywood and smack around this freak professionals out there who seem to think ALL fathers are bumbling idiots who can't manage even ther own lives. Give me the gotti boys for a week, they'd either be different in the end of seven days or dead!
I've raised four sons and yes, some families have bad apples or the black sheep, but they respect their elders and know still to be respectful of their old man. One they do know is that I love them and disclipined them to be better people and men for this world.
As the author mentioned about their children, I remember what Detective Green said once to Detective Brescoe on an episode of "Law and Order", "If I had ever called my father by his first name, I'd have been smelling the Aqua-Velva on the back of his hand real quick!"
QED! Nuff Said!

Doug,
boy, you hit the nail right on the head.....
One full set of "Brass Balls" is on it's way to your mailbox, even as we speak, I'm sure !
You will probably now be assaulted with the same crap that Cosby and Nugent have been hit with here recently, for their opinions on this type of subject.
But from me, you get a hearty "OOOOU-RAH !
Thanks, and keep it comin'.
Sempre-FI .

Good manners are...

Children live what they learn
I am an "Air Force brat" and proudly so. We traveled around the world and most of the United States. My parents were from the south and my mother never lost her southern graciousness. We were not only taught to say "no maam", "yes maam", "please and thank you", but we were also taught to judge a person by their character. It did not matter where they were born, the color or ethnic origin of the person. We were told that if you couldn't find something nice to say to or about someone, don't say anything. We were taught that to succeed in life you worked hard at home, school, and in your chosen career. Then my father retired and chose to reside in the south. Sadly, even in the south the values we were taught are exploited and the graciousness so firmly ingrained into my siblings and myself were and continue to be tested time and again by those who are taught that everyone else owes them everything, and therefore, they can and will treat us with anything but respect. I say that if more people would teach their children that all men are worthy of respect until they prove otherwise, we would have a better county. AHHHHH Utopia. Those days are over people, it's the Government for all of those oppressed, and while we are at it, punish those who work hard to earn an honest wage. Let's get rid of gentility and graciousness in the name of all that is Government.

Sawdust
LOLOL :-D

Kyrisea and Sawdust
One day when my son was 15 i came home from work to find him, the members of his band, and their girl friends at my home. I stood in the doorway with my son's arm around my shoulders (6'5" then, 6'8" now) his friends walked by to be introduced, shake hands and murmer polite things (Kurt is so lucky to have a cool father, etc). I thought if only these kids parents could see their polite good manners they would breathe a huge sigh of relief. There were 2 spiked mohawks and one set of black nails and lipstick. I have no doubt that after they get being teens out of their system, most folks revert to courtesy values they grew up with.

TO KAT:
A smack on the butt may be okay, but out of control parents do a lot more damage than that! The emergency rooms always have black and blue kids that "fell" or "walked into a door". First control your anger, then a slap on the butt.

Southern speech
Reminds me of my favorite Southern tale . A young belle strikes up a conversation with two Boston "ladies". One of them remarked that she must be from the South, because of her accent. "Why, yes, I'm from Georgia". "How charming", one replied. "Yes, it is a charming place. Where are y'all from?" Sticking her nose in the air, one said, "We are FROM a place where we learned not to end our sentences with a preposition". "I'm so sorry. I suppose there's never an excuse for poor grammar." "No, I suppose not!" "So, where y'all from, b--ch?"

YAY! I'm raising Southern Fried Children
I am frequently complimented for my children's good manners, even here in our small Central Texas town, and while I love it one hand (lets me know I'm going my job, go Mom!) on the other it's rather sad that people find it so rare they actually see it as worth complimenting. It's something that's not only taught by gentle reminders as a toddler (say please, thank you, sir/,mam) but also by example. In our home we routinely talk to each other with the same respect I expect my children to show not only to myself but to others outside the home. We say please and thank you naturally. (Will you pass the salt, please? Thank you.)I shudder to think of the examples some of today's kids are being shown in their homes, judging by how they act in public.


Hi, Gently 99
Yes, there are situation where rough language can be a sign of affection - I remember years ago, going into a pub in a small town in Yorkshire, England and there was a Jamaican gentleman at the bar who had lived in this town for over 30 years - that was unusual at that time as blacks, (negroes, colourds...?) usually lived the the bigger cities. He was introduced as Harry the Nig*er. I was a bit shocked, but kept my mouth shut. A stranger, who had one beer too many, later insulted him by saying he didn't like drinking in pubs with nig*ers. The whole pub ganged together to eject this moron. One of the locals explained, "He might be a nig*er, but he's OUR nig*er" and NOBODY insults him.

But there are other situations where rough language is not inclusion but an insulting rejection. As I saw expressed in the rig.
So as not to be seen as too negative, I have also met prime examples of educated, very well mannered, cultured, Southerners. (and Notherners for that matter :-)

Letsallrelax
Rough language in male only working groups can certainly expose bigotry, however i found during 10 years of working in 100% male groups, in remote places, that vulgar language often expresses a comaraderie, a confidence that the person being verbally assaulted knows you don't realy mean it. In his famous novel The Virginan, Owen Wister made this point with the famous remark "When you call me that, smile". And its better for a man to mind his civilized manners only in civilized situations, rather than never.

Manners

I have heard people say "clerks can't mean it when they say' Have a nice day'"
How strange! They question that , but would be the first one to go ballistic if that same clerk said " I hope you have crappy day!"
I still use Sir and Ma'am if I don't know someone's name. I costs me nothing and usually makes them feel good.

Rearing Perfect Children
Miss Manners' Guide to Rearing Perfect Children should be the first gift you give to any of your friends taking the Year Long Vacation with Pay offered to those who produce offspring in the business world today. Everything Mama taught you, assuming anybody had taught her, is therein.

I am programmed to say "Yes ma'am" and "Yes sir", and so are my kids. It's been a struggle, even in Atlanta, where somebody's mother says "Oh, he can call me Bambi" -- I have to say firmly, "No, he can't." The farthest we were ever allowed to go, with Mama's strict guidelines, was "Miz Iris" for a neighbour of long standing or the mother of our best friend. And my boss, who is much younger than I am, is puzzled and slightly amused that I refer to our clients as Mr. Jones and Ms. Smith rather than Fred and Wilma. In fact, sometimes so are the clients -- "You don't have to call me Sir," they'll say, and I just smile and reply "Oh, yes, sir, I do. My Mama would rise up and slap me if I didn't!"

In today's MTV World this is rare, but the kids who spew unending disrespetful filth often don't know it's wrong -- that's what they hear from their Mamas, and kids generally grow up believing Mama Knows Best until they discover she doesn't. Yesterday in our library I was browsing the childrens' books and heard three little boys around age 8 playing video games on the library computers, spewing loud, happy profanity in their excitement. I walked over and said quietly, "Kids, could you please watch your language?" All three looked startled and guilty, and one of them said, "Sorry," and they toned it down.

As far as the California Spanking Nannies go, I wonder how this is going to be enforced. Are three year olds going to be calling 911? We had spanking in our family, and all of us have used it judiciously on occasions to make a point. Even my touchy-feely sister who swore she would talk her kids into gibbering insanity rather than smack their diapered hineys found herself snatching her eldest out of traffic one day and laying two or three sharp smacks on him before she knew what she was doing. Her son has grown up to be a fine Catholic boy with a steady job, a lovely wife and their second baby expected in May. "I found out why Mama used to do those things," she confessed. "BECAUSE THEY WORK!"

S Fried Children
South has no exclusivness on this problem. A California Legislater is proposing a Bill to make it illegal to spank a child under 3!!! Call in the Secret Police,ARNOLD !!

Southerners and Yankees
When my wife and I were stationed just outside of Filthadelphia (God help us, but we're transferring back there in April), my wife would shock store clerks by saying things such as "Yes, ma'am", "No, ma'am", "Please", and "Thank you". Some of them even commented that she must be from the South, since she was way too polite to be from around there. Yes, she IS from the South. (Side note from her today.....GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!)

Harmony, if you encountered those water fountains when you were 12, that'd put you somewhere aroundyour late 50's to early 60's now, right? There's racism everywhere, for and against every race. It's just been more honestly displayed in the South. Yankee liberals and their pet policies have done more to keep the blacks in America down than anything the Southerners and conservatives have done in the past 40 years.

concord2123
Good behavior is not confined to one section of the country. Neither is bad behaviour. In the U.S. northeast, bad manners and disrespect are more prevalent than they were in my growing-up years.

But, my aunt (through marriage), a lifelong Georgian, intelligent, former private school teacher, has annoyed me greatly with her frequent critical comments against the black race.

There's good and not-so-good everywhere.

(The first time I ever encountered black water fountains for negroes and white ones for white people... when I was 12 years old...this set-up was in the south.


not growing up Gotti
The polar opposit off the SFC would have to be those horid people on the show "growing up Gottti".

Mason Dixon Line
I was born in the South, grew up in the West. While serving in the Army 1971-1975, it was always a relief to return south of the Mason-Dixon Line. I now live in the South and for the very reasons outlined in the article, that's where I'll remain.

Young Hoodlums and Just Bad Manners

Good luck in your vigilante campaign. You'll need it.

Not limited to South
The behavior described isn't limited to the South, nor is bad behavior particular to one part of the country - of to one generation, for that matter. Now if only someone would pry sweet tea away from the South and bring it up here ...

It's funny
It's funny, now that I'm older than many of the leaders of the organization I work for, to see the discomfort they show when I address them politely with a "sir" or "ma'am".

Working for a major medical center I'm used to opening doors, holding elevators, assisting our clients even when I'm there as a patient or as a parent of a patient. It doesn't matter whether the individual I'm helping "deserves" the assistance, because my efforts reflect not on the person being assisted, but reflect on me.

As a Southern man, I prefer to show, through my actions, the traditional gentility and concern for others that is the hallmark of our often maligned culture.

I may be a redneck (albeit well-educated and highly paid), but that's not necessarily a bad thing. American by birth, Southern by the grace of God.

Don't let Granny Nanny know about this
she would have a heart attack!

Then again...
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