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Tuesday, June 05, 2007
Dennis Prager :: Townhall.com Columnist
"Buck Fush" and the Left
by Dennis Prager
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Every day I see at least one car, usually more than one, sporting a bumper sticker that reads, "Buck Fush."

Apparently, some of our fellow Americans on the left find this message to be profound and witty. But it is not these individuals' presence or absence of wit or profundity that interests me here -- both are so obviously absent, no comments are necessary. It's their contempt for society and their narcissism that demand commentary.

Those blessed with common sense know there is a huge difference between public and private use of expletives. While the holiest among us might never utter an obscenity, most decent, even pious, individuals will use an occasional expletive in private under circumstances that can make its use morally, if not religiously, justifiable (as when using an expletive to describe some evil figure or after a heavy weight fell on one's toe).

But higher civilization has always regarded the use of expletives in public (outside of, let us say, theatrical performances) as a form of assault on civilization. That is why as a broadcaster I am prohibited from saying seven selected words on the air. No one monitors my private conversations, but just about everyone, at least until the 1960s, understood that there was something very wrong in saying such words on the radio or putting them on billboards.

That is why we have, as a society, crossed a line when people put expletives on bumper stickers ("S--t Happens," "Buck Fush") or use them in public in distinguished company -- as in newspaper interviews or campaign fund-raisers. Even the individual who puts a "Buck Fush" sticker on his or her car knows that the real "f-word" would constitute an assault on whatever remains of the concept of decency.

So what does the increasing ubiquity of such stickers tell us?

It says a lot about parts of the left. For one thing, it tells us that leftist anger -- make that hatred -- of its opponents is probably the greatest politically inspired hatred in the country. Certainly there were many on the right who hated former President Bill Clinton, and that hatred did at times reflect poorly on the right. But, to the best of my knowledge, no Clinton-hater ever put a "Cuck Flinton" bumper sticker on a car. Why not? Why didn't any conservatives who hated President Clinton do what some leftists who hate President Bush do and use expletives publicly? After all, "Cuck Flinton" is just as witty as "Buck Fush."

The answer is that parts of the left have little or no belief in the concept of "decency" as traditionally understood by Western civilization. They tend to dismiss such notions as bourgeois anachronisms; they place great value on individuals expressing themselves; and they view self-censorship as a form of fascism.

This latter reason is important: The '60s redefined narcissism as idealism. The individual's feelings became sacrosanct.

That is why the self-esteem movement -- the idea that how an individual feels about himself is far more important than what he actually accomplishes -- arose from the left.

And that is why you almost never hear a conservative say "I am offended" when reacting to a liberal speaker or writer, but it is quite commonplace for a liberal to use those words in reacting to someone from the right.

"Make love not war" was another example of placing one's feelings above other values. That is why it is a very good thing for the world that the previous generation, the one that fought Hitler, didn't believe in making love rather than war.

For more than a few people on the cultural left, public cursing is simply a form of self-expression, just as many on the left deemed graffiti to be. Indeed, public cursing may be defined as verbal graffiti, a defacement of the public square. But the people who believe in the sanctity of the public square are far more likely to be on the right. And that is why you will see and hear far more public profanity on the left than on the right.

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Meh... you have a point
I'm just too fed up with Bush to care what anyone says about him.

The article is a good one though, but would have been a bit more timely before Bush gave all of us a proverbial finger.

Public vulgarity
Just don't pat your side on the back too hard, Den.

Bush has been caught publicly calling a journalist a "first rate a-hole"(sic.) and using the "s" word in a discussion about Hezbollah with Tony Blair (a context that few if any would probably find the word offensive, but it was used at any rate.)

And of course, we can't forget Cheney's colorful suggestion to Pat Leahy on the Senate floor.

Heck, South Park has been described as staunchly anti-liberal, and you'd be hard pressed to find more cussing anywhere on the airwaves.

I think it's the coarsening of society in general, for good or ill. The left may have gotten a head start, but your guys are catching up, Den.

Where can Republicans get those stickers
If we keep getting the bird, we should reply in kind..

LOL, Dennis
I wouldn't be too sure that all those folks with the bumber stickers are on the Left.

Not anymore!

Bad timing, Denny. Very bad timing
I wish Prager had written a more topical column condemning the Bush administration for co-opting the smear tactics of the Left. According to the president, my fellow conservatives and I are racist fear-mongers who won't do what's "right" for America. And we fought to elect this rube...Twice. Now that's OSCENE!

What's that in the punchbowl?
Making a refreshing bowl of punch is a "bourgeois anachronism".
Floating a turd in it is "an individual expressing themself".

Dyslexic obscenities aren't all that creative.

Putting beside a Flinton sticker,"Will Bon't"
doesn't add much either.

Total Garbage
Obscenities are commonly used by people of all political persuasions. Seeing a "Buck Fush" sticker says very little about "the left" but maybe at least something about the person driving that particular car (you never know, maybe they like George Bush but are driving their parent's car, etc.).

This is just one more in a string of examples of partisan hyperbole, which is why most Americans really don't care what Prager thinks. Just like they don't care what hardcore left-wingers say. But people like Prager don't care about that. They just want to bloviate while Rome burns...

Aw, geez, Dennis .....
... I was going to be the first to print up a batch of "Huck Fillary" bumper stickers until I read your column. (Sorta has a Mark Twain-like puckishness, I had thought....)

Yesterday I saw a commercial truck of a local franchisee that pressure washes houses, boats and cars, and it had a bumper sticker that read "Bush Belongs in Jail" affixed to its back window. I found that particular sentiment to be a far more lamentable sign of coarseness and crude discourse than the puckish quick hit of dislexia exhibited by the Buck Fush people. I first thought to myself, "Tater, don't hire that guy..."

My second thought is, his bumper sticker might as well have stated "I'm Willing to Believe All Leftist Lies About the Current President Without Applying One Jot of Critical Examination." Granted, there's not enough room to say all that on a bumper sticker, so I suppose he simply found a way to say it in just four words....

TaterCon

Ben, Please Rethink Public VS Private
Ben,
Please remember that in all of your instances of President Bush using mild expletives such as a** and sh** and dick cheney's similar indescretion, they were speaking PRIVATELY, and the media eavesdropped and broadcast what should have remained a private moment. That's why you used the word "caught".
If the expletives had been used publicly, then the word "caught" could not possibly apply.

I won't try to defend an animated TV sitcom since it doesn't really rise to the level of public discourse. Hollywood is what it is and must defend itself if it is to be defended at all.

Nothing personal of course Ben. Just a bit of clarity from my end.

Best wishes,

Steve

outside of, let us say, theatrical perfo
But higher civilization has always regarded the use of expletives in public (outside of, let us say, theatrical performances) as a form of assault on civilization.

Just curious...why is there an exception for theatrical performances in civilized communities? I have grown to dislike many forms of entertainment because the peppering of expletives makes them not so entertaining for me. Even movies and music for young children includes such prattle. It is difficult to watch Disney films anymore because there seems to be an imperative to include rude behavior and disrespectful language even there.

I think the message in this article was that there is a kind of coarseness in what seems to be the common parlance of our people that demeans all of us to the degree that it is pervasive, mindless, and hurtful to hear and read in public places. It is not just political jabbering, but communication in general. The cursing by adults and children alike seems to rely on the words that are unspeakable on the radio. Too bad that delay system that radio hosts can employ to bleep bad language is not operational in the public domain…I would learn to use that bit of technology

pee on Hillary
I have a sticker on the rear window of my truck..
Perhaps you've seen it or one similar to it... It's the one with the bad boy taking a squirt - on the words "Hillary Clinton"... Occasionally I'll get a dirty look from somebody driving a volvo or a saab or a volkswagon micro-bus, but I think most people get a pretty good laugh out of it...

It goes deeper than just coarseness
Prager's observation is correct, but I think there is a different reason. I have noticed that people on the right, by and large, tend to hate ideas, where those on the left hate people. For example, most of those who don't favor pulling out of Iraq will talk about the consequences of leaving. On the other hand, those on the left immediately attack Bush himself for a bad decision.

This also explains why those on the left are so happy when a Republican is charged with a crime. They talk impeachment and war crimes instead of debating the issues.

It is all part of the almost insane anger you see in those on the left. Politics is personal to them, and when thens don't go their way, they express it in personal hatred.

For further proof, just watch and see the comments that come after I post this.

hosekuervo: Ironic
hosekuervo writes: Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 5:04 AM
TeanNRA
You sound like a very classy guy. Most people outgrow bathroom humor when they hit 9 years old. Have you ever had your I.Q. checked?

That's an ironic missive given the fact that your handle evidently pertains to your favorite brand of tequila. Most juveniles outgrow that kind of identification once they transition to adulthood & gain lucrative employment. Then again, most of your previous posts reflect a pedantic intellect. But since you're in the habit of posting rhetorical questions: are you a pre- or post-adolescent? Are you some underemployed and unappreciated "visionary" soft-science major? Do you have a real job?

CDS verses BDS
Certainly there were many on the right who hated former President Bill Clinton, and that hatred did at times reflect poorly on the right.

Yes, the Right was full of "Clinton Derangement Syndrome" (CDS) sufferers. I remember all the "conspiracy theories" (e.g., Vince Foster suicide/murder.) However the difference between CDS sufferers and "Bush Derangement Syndrome" (BDS) sufferers is the fact that BDS sufferers include the Main Stream Media (MSM.) You see it in the MSM’s daily bias.

"C*ck Flinton"
Try another, more appropriate vowel to replace the asterisk wildcard!

Liberalism and Social Norms
I have to agree with your assertion that "profanity" comes more from the left, and I think that it's because the left has less respect for the social norms that decide what's taboo. At least, I know that I have no respect for such social norms, and I abstain from cussing only for selfish reasons when I know that my audience is unapproving.

Those seven words that you're not allowed to say are vulgar, and possibly offensive, in connotation with their original meanings but not necessarily with their common usage. For example, I'm sure you've seen those things talking about how f*ck is the most colorful word in the English language. If I say "f*ck you" I'm expressing strong displeasure at you; if I say that I "f*cked up" I mean that I made a large mistake. And you know what? THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT AT ALL! Sure, it expresses strong emotion in perhaps a mildly ineffective manner; sure, someone with better command of English can express herself more eloquently; however, some *sshole decided that "f*ck" is a "naughty" word that, when used, will cause offense. I'll grant that "I f*cked her" is disrespectful and reduces the antecedent of "her" to a sex object, but it's patently stupid to outlaw the word.

Liberals are smart enough to know that some words -- f*g, n*gger, sp*c, j*p, and so on -- are *actually* offensive, while other words -- c*ck, *ss, m*therf*cker, c*nt, and so on -- are only offensive because, when children say them, teachers tell them to watch their mouths. No other reason. I could say "phallus", "anus", "Oedipus", and "vagina" and nobody would complain. If I want to insinuate that you have anal sex with your mother, I can call you an Oedipus who inserts his phallus into his mother's anus, and the meaning would be perfectly clear without any censoring. But somehow "common decency" has declared that the slang forms must not be uttered. I think that's dumb, and liberals are more likely to be intelligent enough to also find it dumb.

As far as Buck Fush, let's just say that this president has been MUCH more incompetent and destructive of American values than his predecessors through FDR could ever be, without even the exception of Nixon. Clinton may have not been particularly conservative, and he may have angered the self-righteous judges of the Religious Right with his sex scandals that had nothing to do with governing a country, but he did not sink to the depths of idiocy of George W. Bush, who should in fact go to jail for allowing torture and attacking a sovereign nation unprovoked. The Left hates Bush with a passion because Bush deserves it, not because the Left is cantankerous. Unlike his predecessors, Bush commands vanishingly little respect for the office of the Presidency, and he does not act in the best interests of morality or the people of America. I have no qualms with cussing (and not "cursing", because that implies that some deity is being invoked); v'imru, BUCK FUSH.

mauro7inf
Loyaldemocrat, is that you? Surely that post is satire. Liberals curse because they're more intelligent? ROFL

The Kindergarten Mindset
Members of the Left not only like profanity; they love nursery rhymes!

People in the left keep thinking that by using profanity "creatively" and by making nursery rhymes ("Bush lied, people died") along with referring to ageless "truths" ("war is not the answer"), they are making an argument. I keep having to tell them that snickering, snorting, and/or rolling their eyes is not sufficient to make an argument (certainly not in the way the ancient Greeks defined rhetoric).

Like Evan Sayet put it, there is a book that the Left loves; it is called "All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten" and this is reflected in the "Five-Year-Old Utopia that they've been told is the only hope for mankind" (…as in five-year-old child…).

http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2007/03/five-year-old-utopia-that-theyve-been.html

How we express our displeasure
Our president has brought out the worst in a lot of us with his latest turn to the left holding hands with Kennedy. Its indeed didappointing, and as the old saying goes "thats enought to make a preacher cuss," I heard an excellent speach from the floor yesterday by a democrat from N.D. he nailed it.. Secure the border frist, show us that you mean business, then perhaps we will beleive you again. For now there is a lost of trust. Our elected officals led by the president refuse to listen to the public on what to do about ILLEGALS.

Ben
Get over yourself! I am much more offended by libs calling the President a Nazi than I am with the childish left saying Buck Fush.
Oh, I know, the left is justified in saying whatever they want. Well, Thank God for their Freedom of speech, hey?

Osama Bin Laden in New Hampshire
Osama Bin Laden in New Hampshire
Peter Macdonald 465 Packersfalls rd Lee NH 03824 602-659-6217
I am a Vietnam Veteran. Do I deserve less rights than other U.S. citizens? Ask NH Congresswoman Shea- Porter, What gives her the right to stop my VA medical? Ask WMUR-TV, My Fox Boston, Union leader, and all the other media, Why they censor the truth? I came back from a 31 month over seas tour rated 120% disabled. I received two injuries during separate combat support missions. I have given as a volunteer helping others over 1000hr/yr since my return in 1974. I have violated no laws.
Tell-me is my standing up for every United States Citizen so wrong that it justifies this torture. As a 17 year old kid I joined the Marine Corps. My life ended with my first kill. I thought that I was lucky. “I came home alive” was I? NH takes my freedom, money, character, wife and VA medical to stop my free speech. The VA stopped my medical to help NH stop me. The media censors the truth. On June 6 a VA doctor whom I refer to as Dr. Dan is going to slip me in the back door of the Manchester NH VA hospital for tests. On May 13, I was ordered to leave the Portsmouth Va clinic and not return. Service injuries causing serious head pain and numbness on the left side of my face and this veteran is denied medical help. A service connected 100% disabled veteran has to be slipped in the back door to avoid the powerful from knowing. Discrimination is against the law. NH Governor John Lynch and Congresswoman Shea-Porter have become the Osama Bin laden’s of NH when residents are harmed to satisfy their need to demonstrate power.
Peter Macdonald Semper Fi
Does any media have the respect for our military to print the opinion of a Veteran?


It's a good analysis but
he left out the fact that the Left is usually young, as well.

Anyway, I'm in no mood to defend Bush from any attacks by the Left.

Animal Girl
You are right, I did simplify, or generalize. You prove that there are those on the left who can argue points without expressing hatred for the individual. But, you are, sadly, a rare exception.

I concede that I did generalize, but I think you have to admit that "generally" what I said is true. If you don't agree, read the NY Times or Atlanta J-C and see how they analyze. It is 90% pejorative rhetoric. They attack the positions by discrediting the person, not the ideas. And, I also concede that there are those on the right who love personal attacks, but again, they are the exception.

Ben/ public vulgarity
Ben, In response to your comment that Bush "publicly" called NY times "journalist" an a--hole. Bush meant it to be a private comment. He was not aware that the microphone was on. Perhaps more importantly though the accuracy of his statement has never been challenged as far as I can tell... and if you read anything this "journalist" has ever written you'll see why.

Ben
BTW the "journalist" in question was adam clymer

silicondoc at 3:20 a.m.
Your post is exactly the reason I had my cable company "trap" MTV. If you have children in your home, and you have cable service, I would advise you to do the same. We don't have to accept this evil in our homes and the possibility of our children accidently stumbling across pornography just because it's part of the "basic" package. It will probably cost a few bucks, but the peace of mind is worth it.

obsenities
The desire to use naughty words or their sub*st*tutes seems to be the strongest amongst the midschool age.

Profanity is agrevatring to me reagardles of the speaker's political persuasion

The self righteuos
self justification of the right is in full swing.

Yup, the holiest among you is Prager? I love the false humility.

I also noticed that he decided completely to leave out the fine example of statesmanship when Cheney, on the public Senate floor during session, told another senator to go "buck" himself.

And how about that Bush himself, awarded for his "christianity", calling a journalist an a-hole?

And I laughed at Prager's handling of "make love not war." Another fine example of an alleged believer making war a value, completely missing the point of the statement, and abusing the English language to make an ideological point. Any xtian worth their salt would tell you love isn't a feeling....

It's this kind of stuff that is marginalizing and rending the right wing into small factions. The same kind of stuff that is finally waking one of my relatives up to the falseness of the christian faith. So keep it up!

Yessiree, you folk are turning into fine examples of what Jesus would do, what he would say. I can hear him quoting Prager now...

Ain't it great?!
They finally indicted Jefferson!

I am amazed it took so long, but I'll have to content myself with the possibility of the prosecution building a strong case.

I mean c'mon, money in the freezer?!

??????
Gonzo writes: I also noticed that he decided completely to leave out the fine example of statesmanship when Cheney, on the public Senate floor during session, told another senator to go "buck" himself.

And how about that Bush himself, awarded for his "christianity", calling a journalist an a-hole?

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The problem?

My bumper sticker
my bumper sticker says

"Hillary Clinton is a waste of skin"

and yes I can get you one.

Public Vulgarity
The rationalizations being given here for the use of intentionally offensive public vulgarity speak volumes about the rationalizers. They desire to degrade society. This tactic began in the 60's "Defy Authority" movement and has been used since in an attempt to tear down our values. Unfortunately, they have had considerable success, particularly in polluting our children.

The current barrage of profanity against Bush is fueled by the unpopularity of the Iraq situation and is a replay of the Vietnam protests. We will have to live with it until there is a good resolution of the Iraq problem. Let's hope the result is not like the slaughter of 3 million civilians after we pulled out of Vietnam.


Tantrum
Those bumper stickers and similar expressions by other means are just another version of a temper tantrum thrown by a child.

They might as well say "I rest YOUR case that I'm an a******."


Prager's increasing irrelevancy
I called Prager one time and asked him a very direct question: "Do you think you're fair to both sides?"

He gave me a direct answer: "Of course I think I'm fair to both sides. What am I going to say... No?"

I'm sorry, but a man who spends his entire life looking for every possible way to criticize the left, while making every possible excuse for whatever the right does, yet still claims to be fair to both sides is delusional.

Today's column is the reflection of a man so hopelessly determined to prove that his side is superior, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that he is reduced to having a hissy fit over a few naughty bumper stickers.

With the help and encouragement of Dennis Prager, the right has led us into the worst foreign policy blunder in the history of the country, and all he can do in return is point to some minor indiscretions of a few of the more juvenile members in the lower ranks of the left.

Prager is the poster boy for what happens when one falls prey to the disease of pathological partisanship; it reduces you to heaping mass of petty insights and insults.

How anyone can take this man's opinions on politics seriously anymore is beyond me.

Phylo out.

Sgt USMC...
...I think you need help for more than just your wounds.Seek it.

animalgirlisanidiot
You silly twit, did you even bother to read Prager's piece? He specifically addressed the issue of some people, even conservatives, using "naughty" words now and then, albeit in PRIVATE. When Cheney said what he did to Leaky Leahy, it was in the context of a private conversation, which is why Cheney was not sanctioned for it (the Senate has rather strict rules about that sort of thing, probably because back in the day, if you insulted a fellow Senator, he was just as apt to call you out and challenge you to a duel).

One of the earlier poster said it best; conservatives hate ideas, whereas commielibs hate people, specifically those who refuse to toe the Party line. I find this particularly amusing, given how it's the Left that routinely screams the loudest about "haters", yet it is they who are the masters of it.

The most that can be said about things like "Buck Fush" is that it is tacky, but that sort of "bumper sticker philosophy" has been around for a long time. There is a certain irony with it, though. I do not put any sort of stickers on my car that reflect my political leanings (I won't even put my NRA sticker on my car), for one very simple reason.

It is because if I did, sooner or later some self-righteous leftwingnut Alfa Hotel would come along and key my car, slash the tires or top (it's a ragtop), snap off the radio antenna or what-have-you, and then drive away in their "Buck Fush" adorned Volvo.

Which, IMNSHO, says it all about the so-called "reality-based" (now there's an oxymoron if ever I heard one) community, cutesy bumper stickers notwithstanding.

My bumper sticker reads...
..."People who use bumper stickers should be shot!"

And yes,I carry a lot of life insurance.

No Equivalency
Funny that, I've had my car defaced a few times by someone on the right. My fav is when someone decided it'd be great to stick a republican sticker on my car. Thankfully I noticed early enough that removing it was not so difficult.

I've also had the pleasure of eggs being thrown at me, and all sorts of profanities as well, when I and others participate in a weekly peace protest in our local community. I remember once a car slowing down, so that a father could reach across his kid's face to give me a finger. Quite a lesson for the kid.

Of course in the 90s, burning effigys of Hillary used to happen. And finding a Clinton=Hitler sticker was easy, especially at your local gun show. And then there is the death humor on the right, whether it's Coulter's joke of killing Clinton, of having 5 supreme court death members killed, of blowing up the NY Times, or whether it's the liberal hunter's tag.

If the left has Buck Fush as a rejoinder, to the right's language over the last 20 years, it may be childish but there's hardly an equivalence to be had.

Cluck Finton @
Then following the two words, a chicken head charactature (@) of Hillary looking to the left.

Now THAT would contain much more wit.


Dennis:

Although poignant, your storyline will probably be infected by the pandemic of Bush Derangement Syndrome, which has now begun to contaminate even the staunchest of Dubya admirers.

That noted, as a resident of the People’s Republic of Massachusetts I have (on numerous occasions) seen Buck Fush bumper stickers. They are usually accompanied by a Kerry/Edwards, at least one peace sign emblazoned decal, and about 50% have a rainbow of sorts.

Having worked in the construction industry for more than 30 years I’m accustomed to hearing raw language, yet I don’t believe this type of in-your-face message has any place in a civilized society. People can equivocate all they will, about what they deem to be more obscene, nonetheless, it does not diminish the level of obscenity Buck Fush projects. And comparisons with an angry altercation between individuals bespeaks a level of intellectual bankruptcy that truly belies comprehension.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Cave Bear:

Ditto, concerning the reason I won't put a Right-leaning decal on my car. And bumper stickers IMHO are just plain tacky.

To Well Now
We aim to please. In response to your query, I tried googling "republican bumper sticker" and then "right wing bumper sticker" and found a God's plenty of merchandise at both sites. The complaint in this article was that the anti-Bush bumper sticker derived humor from a sexual connotation; while you will find jockey shorts and men's thong underwear with George Bush's face printed on the fly, much of the pro-Bush and pro-GOP stuff leans more toward the violent. An example is picture of a big rock with a caption that the best way to deal with a liberal mind is to hit it with a rock. Plenty on I-luv-my-gun, too, but that's no surprise. Somebody on townhall the other day bragged that he was teaching his five-year-old child to shoot a gun, so I guess any time now we can expect nursery paraphernalia with firearm motifs. Keep shopping.

Wow
And here I thought the freeing of our language from the chains put on it 2000 years ago by a bunch of self-righteous prigs was a sign of the inevitable maturing of the human mind into something that does not need to have itself proscribed for the comfort of those same self-righteous prigs.

Nope. Dennis Prager has figured it all out and, suprise!, it's a problem with liberals.

Get a grip Dennis. "Buck Fush" is just a stupid bumper sticker. The willingness to use language you personally find offensive is another matter entirely, and when confronted with the kind of idiotic argument we see here, it's warranted.

Dennis
I see the real deal bumper stickers everyday. No transposed letters. Even had it carved into my car during the last presidential election! I have too much class to reply in kind.

lilly
You cannot justify bad behavoir with more bad behavoir. Come out of la-la land.

idiot free america
I had two bumper stickers on my car; one was "Annoy a Liberal, Work Hard and be Happy", the other was something like "People for an Idiot Free America"; can't remember the exact words. Some "open-minded liberal" broke my rear window. I do like the "Hillary is a waste of skin" one though.

Cluck Finton
Even better...

First the words, then the chicken caricature of Hillary, then a satyr caricature of Bill.

cutter bench
On the money!

As someone who despises Clinton...
...I think it's an obvious partisan trick of Prager's to pretend to ponder why the left would be so angry at this President without discussing the issues on the merits. For example, the right no longer cares to discuss the misuse of pre-war intel, the NSA spy program, torture, Katrina, blatant cronyism and war profiteering which puts taxpayer money right in the hands of Bush's preferred contractors. Did it happen or not? If not, you should be DIS-proving it, not ignoring it.

These are the reason Bush is hated, not because liberals are (necessarily) flawed people - Lord knows some are. In fact, consistantly overwhelmingly high disapproval ratings prove it's not just the left that dislikes Bush, it's most of America (not quite 3/4ths but enough to override a veto). The latest polls back this up yet again.

So please include the cause before you complain about the effect, Mr. Prager. The straw man trick is getting too old. Bush is no innocent lamb and we've already seen the right wing playbook where politicians and pundits are told to go out to "slime and defend".

I think the more relevant question here is "What does the left know that you don't?".

I'd suggest the writings of the publisher of the NY Times bestseller "Armed Madhouse", which not only offers brand new evidence of Hillary Clinton acting as a legal flack for Wal-Mart and payoffs of an underling who went to jail to take the rap for the Rose law firm, but even more damning evidence, just subpoenaed this week by the House Justice Committee, which shows that Karl Rove's office engaged in felony voter fraud to steal the election. The evidence in question is Excel files called "caging-l.xls" which contained names and addresses of Democratic voters, including Iraqi combat troops. These files were accidentally sent to georgewbush.org instead of georgewbush.com, and went right into the hands of the anti-Bush folks.

Who exactly sent the emails from Rove's office? Tim Griffin, who resigned hours after all this aired on the BBC. Yes, the guy Monica Goodling named in her testimony. The story has still not been reported by major US media, showing why the left is even more rabid about the MSM then the right.

Why don't you Townhall columnists report on this? Why not see the evidence and pick it apart if you can, explain what it means to blacks and the troops serving whose votes weren't counted? It's online for free. Why not? Because you are still following orders from the neo-con White House, to go out and slime the left, without any substansive discussion of the issues. Puck Frager, let's talk real politics.

Libs Hateful?Hillary loves the F word
Hillary is well known for using the F word very fluently in everyday conversation. This is from those that were around her in the White House, and from various secret service people. If she gets into the office she will definitely get to give us that word in capital letters " You are all now F......." Which would be VERY TRUE!
I had as W sticker on my car, and it was scratched and egged. The Republican headquarters in WV was broken into and computers were destroyed. Sounds like some very Hitler influenced actions!
Libs are extremely hateful, and always seem to have that smirk on their face indicating that they are so much more intelligent then the rest of us. Well, they believe in fairy tales too!


Historical hysteria
> the slaughter of 3 million civilians after we pulled out of Vietnam.<

Why would someone purposely print false information that could in no way be substantiated. Really, there's some on here who might actually believe that erroneous figure.

woohoo
Phylo is back! And still as off-point as always.

It seems
that the libs have nothing better to do than stay up all night and pounce on these TH columns the second they are posted. The rest of us live our lives.

I haven't seen the buch fush bumper stickers in No. VA, at least not yet. But I recall about three years ago, younger people were wearing these shirts with the "word" "fcuk" on them. There is obviously nothing phonetically correct about "fcuk," but everyone knew what was meant. That fad lasted for about a year. Maybe those punks were chastised enough through mean looks or whatever, or maybe they finally realized just how stupid these shirts made them look.

not clever
"Cuck Flinton" is not nearly as clever as "Buck Fush."

I'm willing to bet that there are people on the right with that bumper sticker too.



scraping the bottom of the barrel
Usually Prager has a little more substance in his columns. The "all conservatives are decent and all liberals are hateful" theme seems to be one of the standard delaying tactics Townhall columnists use when they get writers' block.

As a liberal -- oh, wait, I'm probably required to use the term libtard, libdolt, or sissy -- my perception is that the conservatives brought on all of this so-called "hatred" from the left upon themselves.

The flak GWB gets is but a fraction of what Bill Clinton got from the moment he took office to the moment he left. On top of all the other crap conservatives through at him, spending millions of tax dollars to investigate and impeach him for having oral sex seems a tad vindictive. (The ironic thing is that Clinton was a very centrist Democrat -- you Townhallers could have had it far worse. Hillary, Obama, and Edwards are considerably more left-leaning.)

Anyway, all the conservatives did was set themselves up for payback when the next republican was elected president. In my opinion, the payback has been pretty tame. At least the liberals and Democrats have kept things to matters related to his job. All in all, conservatives have shown that they can dish it out, but they can't take it. Maybe they are the sissies after all.

Flush Bush
First it was "no child left behind" and then "pharmeceuticals for the old folks".
Now it is "no illegal immigrant left behind".
All are wonderfully compasionate but they leave us broke and bewildered. How can we save the world if we are broke and bewildered?

well now
I have never approved of crude language in public or private. That is not to say I never swear. I have used some explicatives from time to time and quite loudly too. The point of the issue should be on public discourse. In this field, neither side is innocent nor can neither side be wholly condemned.


There is a point here
Whether one agrees or disagrees with Dennis, use of vulgarity, specifically in public, does reveal an intellect incapable of deep thought. It reveals language governed by emotion.

Take a look at the most popular conservative blogs, and then compare the posted comments to those on the most popular liberal blogs. From what I've seen, there is no comparison--the liberal blogs always beat the conservative ones when it comes to coarse language. Hands down.

Regarding animalgirlisback's comments:

"Think about it; conservative books about Hillary Clinton have spent more time speculating on her lesbianism than on discussing her ideas and policies. Talk show hosts talk at length about the way her accent varies (something I understand, as a native Georgian who naturally slips in and out of my middle Georgia accent depending on my mood and my company). That's a discussion of ideas?"

Really? When I listen to talk radio, while I do hear personal jabs at Hillary, the vast majority of the attacks are directed at her socialism. And how many books on Hillary have speculated on her lesbianism?

Like him or not, one thing that Prager has never done is attack Hillary personally. Check his archived shows and see for yourself.

My bumper sticker says:
One Nation Under God. It isn't a statement, it's a prayer. One which we obviously need - all of us.

Both Sides are to blame
Unfortunately, this is not a party issue. The Repubs were doing the same thing to Bill Clinton that the Dems are now doing to Bush. Somewhere along the way, we as a society have lost the ability to have a reasonable discourse without the need to throw ad hominem attacks. If your argument doesn't hold water, no amount of nyah-nyah will improve it.

RE: GoodOnPaper
"The flak GWB gets is but a fraction of what Bill Clinton got from the moment he took office to the moment he left."

Wow. I've never actually ever met someone who was living under a rock. Are you serious? The president has been called a mass murderer countless times, and paradoxically is branded a devious plotter of conspiracies and an absolute moron in the same breath by the left. And it has all been since the day he won (yes, won) Florida in 2000. He has been despised with a passion that burns brighter than the fires of hell since day one.

"The ironic thing is that Clinton was a very centrist Democrat -- you Townhallers could have had it far worse. Hillary, Obama, and Edwards are considerably more left-leaning."

Well, it's also ironic because Bush is a centrist Republican (as evidenced by NCLB, farm subsidies, immigration, etc.).

Lolo:

TY and ditto on lame attempts to "justify bad behavoir with more bad behavoir."

confused
when I add up the number of letters on your bumper sticker, do they match your age or I.Q.???

WWJD???
I am growing tired of seeing these laundry lists of the horrible crimes that Bush has committed with nothing to back up the claim. The big one has to be "misuse of pre-war intelligence". I have yet to see anyone explain what happened when Bush became president that would lead anyone to believe that Saddam no longer had WMD. Despite the thousands of tons of WMD that inspectors found and destroyed over the years; despite the fact that Clinton launched a massive preemptive strike against Iraq, called Desert Fox, in 1998; despite the fact that there existed a huge inventory of WMD that Iraq itself had provided to the UN; something happened when Bush became president to change all of this.

OK, WWJD???, you made the claim, now back it up.

WWJD???
Why do you have to hate Bush because you don't agree with what he has done? That proves my earlier point. However you get there, once you can justify hating someone, you no longer have to think. You can simply hate and distrust everything they do or say without wasting a single gray cell pondering the issues. But, it does make for a much easier world of black and white, with no troubling grays, and no need to trouble your pretty little head with details. If Bush said it, it HAS to be wrong because he is a despicable idiot.

Take a look at the "caging" issue. The MSM has been telling us it is illegal, so I bet you believe that, huh? There is absolutely nothing illegal about trying to determine if voters are qualified to vote, no matter what they tell you. The liberal, and they are, media doesn't waste a drop of ink discussing why they think it is illegal, but I bet you can't name one person who has been convicted of trying to stop voter fraud.

Try exercising that big gray blog between your ears. It may hurt a bit at first, but you will soon get used to it. Be forewarned, though If you do it often enough, you end up as a conservative.

(And, yes the last part was a joke - - - sort of.)

Honestly Dennis?
THIS is what you come up with for this week?

I happened to be a supporter of the President, until last week when he decided 12 million people who broke the law aren't really lawbreakers.

Bumper stickers?

The leftist wonks who apply that sticker are no different than the far right wonks who call liberals traitors and terrorists....(Ann...looking at you...)

Both sides are guilty. It's our entire society that's become more crass, not just "the left".

Nice try pandering to the audience though...

Left devoid of intelligent thought
Comments and/or bumber stickers like Buck Fush are sympomatic of the left's continuing inability to engage in useful discussion.

In the last 30 years or so the left's ability to develop workable solutions to societal issues and to engage in intelligent, adult debate with the right has steadily diminished.

"Buck Fush" and other such derogatories are what now passes for cutting edge enlightened conversation on the left. The further left you go the more "enlightened" this kind of childish verbage is considered to be.

Limbaugh and Hannity repeatedly invite the left to "meet me in the arena of ideas". The left has no ideas, so they spit hatred and vulgarity instead.

Servetus
Poor little liberal! So put upon by the vast right-wing conspiracy. So much the poor little victim are you.

Maybe the right wing of society is simply sick of your egocentric elitism. Maybe the right is fed up with your "surrender" philosophy. Maybe the right doesn't agree with your socialist economic views.

You had it coming, servetus. In fact, you still have it coming.

swearing
I must be an old fogey,as it saddens me to see and hear this vulgarity in our daily lives.However I can't complain to much as I am guilty of it.I guess what distresses me the most is young girls using foul language.It also bothers me a little to see men wearing hats in eating places.Like I said I am just an old fogey

Get the point!
Dennis is wrong, both the left and right are guilty of using profane language. Those of you that excuse it are also wrong.

When in public everybody should modify their language and behavior. While I do not have a right not to be offended we should all expect people to behave like humans. Children read those stickers, hear foul language, etc.

There is something called respect, decency. That should be the norm, period.

Bush Backer
Bill Prager raises many good points. Personally, I have few problems with GWB, a courageous man who has done a great job protecting our country.

In my blog today (click on name), I wrote about the perncious idea that "all opinions are created equal." I responded to one particular comment, but it applies generally to many of comments made on TH. As always, your comments are welcome.


Note: In the comments to the right, I express my irritation with one "Fiddler," who says Rudy Giuliani is not a "lock" because Fiddler doesn't like him. I point out that I went to great length to explain -- factually and logically -- why I believe Giuliani would get the nomination. Of course, I may be wrong. However, Fiddler didn't lift a finger to deal with the points I made. Yes, it's a free country and, yes, "talk radio" has convinced everyone that his or her half-baked "opinions" are sacrosanct, but give me a break. One of the worst aspects of modern life is how some people confuse their own experience with that of the other six billion individuals on the planet. Everything that happens to me is not immediately applicable to everyone else. If I'm hit by lightning, it doesn't mean everyone in town is in imminent danger of incineration. There's a concept called "solipsism," in which someone becomes convinced that the universe is his or her mental invention, or, stated another way, that all of reality is contained in one person's head. It isn't. Fiddler: get another hobby. For much of the rest of the week, I'm going to be writing about immigration and why I support the current proposal, along with some enforcement additions.



As I've Said Before...

There's not a nickle's worth of difference between today's American liberals and Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, et alia. Killing a few million of your countrymen in the cause of the greater good is part of what you get with these people.

I believe they pose a palpable physical threat to my safety and the safety of my friends and family, and believe me, I respect that.

History reflects decency
There used to be a time in our history that you could be arrested for profanity, arrested for adultery, arrested for sodomy, and on, and on.

It must be a great relief for those performing those crimes today that they are not going to be arrested for doing any of those things in public. Go to any bar in LA or SF and see what is going on in public. Never having to be judged for anything is the definition of freedom?

Listen to the music, the RAP songs pushing profanities as though it was bourgeois anachronisms designed to suppress the less than cool.

How often do you find Tocqueville using foul language in his writings? There were many in the bands of rebels during the American Revolution that used foul language, typically young revolutionaries with nothing to lose but their lives. Same today, difference is everyone can hear them in every public venue.

Getting back to the laws that would have gotten you in jail if you had used profanity in public, how do you think these laws became unenforcible? The excuse is "everyone is doing it, it's fun, let's try embarrassing our ______"[fill in the blank with president, teacher, parent, etc.]. Let me think.........oh, here it is...

IT WAS THE L*CKING FIBERAL JUDGES WHO LET THE LAWS LAX, TODAY IT IS OUR OWN PRESIDENT WHO LET THE ENFORCEMENT OF LAWS FAIL, IT IS IRONIC THAT THE VERY PEOPLE WHO LET THE LAWS FALL APART ON EVERY LEVEL OF DECENCY, ARE THE ONES WHO ARE THE LAW-BREAKERS THEMSELVES. Just another example of 'how to break the law' legally. Hmmm, sounds familiar, LIKE AMNESTY!!!!!!

Maybe those bumper stickers for Bush are just describing his liberalist leftist law breaking mentality? Seems to fit just fine for the 'WE THE PEOPLE' majority knowing that his approval ratings after this week is in the single digits, wanting amnesty, not justice to prevail. We are a nation based on laws, not men.

The real profanity here is that most of us conservatives voted for him twice. Now we are one small step from NWO third world status, and one giant leap for leftist socialism.

Everywhere we look, we are being desensitized to profanity in music, movies and TV. And we have been desensitized to the degradation of our laws allowing evils to become the norm.

Thanks for bringing this up Dennis, I almost forgot how far we've sunk.

Profanity...
"Profanity is a crutch for inarticulate
m.f** ers"

dennis has good point
Dennis has some good points but bad language is present on right and left. What really determines your personal conduct more than anything is your religious beliefs that hold your conduct to more than simple public acceptability.
As for using coarse language in poking fun at Bush,well that is something that is straining my every impulse to use the worst I know! Its hard not to use profanity to describe this pollyanish fool.

Lilly
Sorry to veer off the subject, but after reading your post I must respond. You stated "Somebody on townhall the other day bragged that he was teaching his five-year-old child to shoot a gun" My FIREARMS EDUCATION started at the same age. Before I saw a round of ammo I was thoroughly trained in firearm saftey and in fact didn't chamber a round of ammo until age seven. I was taught that ALL weapons are LOADED, never point ANY weapon, even a "pop gun" or toy at another person, always keep the weapon pointed in a safe direction, NEVER put your finger in the trigger housing or release the saftey until ready to fire, and most important a weapon is NOT A TOY! I could go on but you get the point. The fact that I was educated about weapon safety at a young age meant that I didn't have a curiosity for the "gun" in the house, I had a healthy respect for it and understanding of its lethality. This in turn made me incapable of being the kid who was PLAYING with the weapon that blew his friends head off. Just remember, chances are very high that the police officer or Trooper that responds to your 911 call was taught firearm saftey at a young age. I am fortunate to come from a long line of Marines that fully understand weapons and the importance of saftey education. Sorry again to all TH-ers for swerving.

Black Dog

What I said is true on the face of it. Figure it out.

Pol Pot killed very few until he came to power.

Leftists are blindly dedicated to totalitarianism for the "greater good," including those un-American groups you mentioned.

Re: Silicondoc

> It's already down to a sad clown stupid level, but somehow
> they think it's entertainment ?


Well, it evidently is, since there was an audience for it.

I understand that some people consider opera music to be
entertainment, but it just sounds like caterwauling to me.


-CB-


George W Bush
OK, bud. I agree with some of your concerns, but unfortunately there's your claim:

Using discredited intell to sell a war.

I'm going to have to insist that you be more specific. I have yet to hear ANYONE explain that one satisfactorily. And please don't mention anything about Joe Wilson, alright. He's been discredited.

most ridiculous column i have read
in a very long time.

both bush and cheney have been caught in public using the f-bomb as the kids call these days.
in fact cheney used it to pat leahy on the floor of the senate.

of course, that is the fault of the left according to mr. prager.

as far as clinton, how many times did we have to hear about the clinton chronicles and the 50 -100 people clinton supposedly murdered.

prager gets upset at a bumper sticker while conservatives called a sitting president a murderer and rapist on a daily basis.

as far as hating bush, i have seen more hate on this board the past month towards bush and his immigration policy than on any left leaning website.


Warning: Useless Trivia
"Buck Fush" is an example of a Spoonerism. These literary devices were named for a Rev. Spooner who was prone to transposing initial consonants. Spoonerisms can be puns when they are actually plays on words. This one, however, is just silly.

Sorry for those of you who hate trivia. I just saw an opportunity use one of those useless facts floating around in my head just waiting to be shared.

On a more serious note, I fear civility has taken a terrible hit in this country. My greater fear is that it is not going to get any better no matter who is elected next time.


Dennis wasn't around TH 10 years ago
When Nuck Fewt and Cluck Finton were burning up the Old TH BBS in 1997. If anything the lefties are more coarse now than then due to the 2000 election.

Freedom of Speech to the Left has always meant allowing Carlinesque profanity's that offend GOP and Conservative Grandma's while banning speech that offends them.

The Left
Presumptuous that it is the left that is displaying this garbage. We expect socks when we are not looking from our enemies. When family screws us, it surprise, disappoints and angers us more. It seems caveat emptor applies equally well to politics. But even purported conservatives on this site will sell out their stated principals for a 'win'.

As in, "I disagree with Rudy on all the issues and abortion, but he is our only chance to 'win'."

My question is, win what and at what cost to future generations? Oh well, I guess we will feel good between election and inauguration. The future is a small price to pay. We can let the little folks fend for themselves.

Ties in with Sowell's column
While those on the left and right are correctly identified in this thread as having lost their temper and used inappropriate language in public and private, the placement of a "Buck Fush" bumper sticker is both premeditated and sustained (unless you scrape the sticker off the next morning). It ties in very well with the adolescent world-view of leftists identified by Thomas Sowell in his column today: A world view dominated by the inability to look at outcomes rather than intentions, self-righteousness, narcissism, and illogical rage when things don't go your way.

Townhall.com
It's a fair point, and one I had considered.

As a bit of an aside, though, I have to wonder how private anyone can assume their conversations are when they're in a public place surrounded by microphones.

Perhaps more to the point, though...if we're to the point where we defend the use of some fairly strong language used in antagonistic one-on-one encounters (Cheney's example comes most readily to mind...Bush's seem more benign), then part of me says that the people who put such sentiments on their cars are at least being more honest about what they think.

Buck Fush!?
As an Arch COnservative who is tired of the Republicant waffle, globalism and internationalism, which adds up to treason agaisnt the US constitution, I think A stronger bumper sticker is needed, like Impeach the little Bucker!


Conservatives have been Bush Wacked. I hate him just as much as the left does and I unfortunately voted for the little Bucker!

No Shamnasty! No SPP, No North American Union! No more Big Tent republicantism!

"But THEY Started It!"

> Unfortunately, this is not a party issue. The Repubs were
> doing the same thing to Bill Clinton that the Dems are now
> doing to Bush.

I didn't support the impeachment of Clinton or the Republican
animosity that fueled it. So he got a slurp-job from an intern;
big deal. So he lied about it under oath. My position on that
is that while a more respectable response than lying would've
been to admit to it and then defiantly ask "So what?", in the
final analysis it was nobody's business but his and Monica's,
anyway. Like the old Lynyrd Skynrd song says, don't ask me no
questions and I won't tell you no lies.

However, at least the dislike of Clinton by the Right was principled,
even if I disagree with the principles involved. There's absolutely
no comparison between that and fundamentally irrational, white-hot,
visceral, and deeply personal HATRED of George W. Bush by the Left.

Besides, I have no patience for the "B-but THEY do it, too!" style
of argument. Even if we accept for the sake of discussion that
the Republicans are only getting their own back, if it was wrong
when the Republicans did it to Clinton, then it's equally wrong now
that the Democrats are doing it to Bush.

The Democrats missed a golden opportunity to lead by example and
usher in a new era of political civility. They'd have come out
smelling like the proverbial rose. But instead, they chose the
low road. I'm reminded of a favorite retort of my kindergarten
teacher to the standard "But HE started it!" playground alibi:
"And you finished it!"



-CB-

Reasons to support such bumper stickers
I was taught as Dennis apparently was and I do not personally approve of the use of profanity in public discourse. I don't like it in private discourse. Still it is easy to understand the bumper sticker that is referenced by Dennis and I offer the following reasons that support the use of such a bumper sticker on someone's car.

1. It is an indication of the driver's upbringing.
2. It is his/her way of honoring God.
3. The driver's mother and father like it.
4. It is a clear indication of the driver's education and capacity to think.
5. It makes the driver a role model to his peers and the younger elements of the driver's family.


It has always been my position that such bumper stickers tell more about the person who would place such a message on his car, luggage, etc. than it does about the target of the message.


Surprised?!
Who is surprised by the fact that Liberals are Foul-Mouthed, Juveniles?

OK, President Bush and VP Cheney were caught cursing by the snooping press.

Let's name the Liberals caught cursing President Bush in public.

I'll start:
01. Chevy Chase
02. Jennifer Anniston
03. Whoopi Goldberg

Creighton
You touch on an issue that is quite relevant today, though I disagree with a good bit of what you say. For example, the effort to impeach Clinton was NOT principled. The effort to impeach CLinton was entirely political and venal.

However, it is good to be aware that the Clinton impeachment forms the foundation for a great deal of the political rhetoric of the day. I said then, and it is still true, that the Clinton impeachment was a disaster, because it would ultimately prevent us from coming together as a nation when we needed to do so. But that cat is out of the bag: the influence of that debacle will not leave us for years to come.




I saw a young lady...
...holding a sign at an anti-war rally a while back. She appeared to be college-age. The sign said:

"The Only Bush I Trust is My Own".

I thought that was pretty funny.


Buck Fush, though? Not funny.

Left Angle
...and reality is for people who can't handle drugs.

Dear Mr. Prager,
Ok, but gracious people everywhere know what you say. The problem is in your own 'conservative' camp. Have you ever read the filth and vile of the people love it so who post on this site? They compete well enough with any of the filth that liberals might hurl. Let's call it like it is. Out of the mouth comes the overflow of the heart. Liberals have no monopoly on a fithly heart.

BlueBustard
Interesting point, but for it to work it implies that the liberals have not yet come into significant power and have therefore not been able to round up people into cams for mass killing. Hence, someone else is currently in power. Who is that? If you know, we can start blaming them for all of our country’s problems instead of the liberals.

Georgetwin: How is it that you find Chevy Chase cursing is worse then VP Cheney cursing?

Cutter Bench
Do any of them have:
"I'm already Against the Next War"
stickers next to the Kerry sticker?

Those seem to be popular on old Subarus around Charlottesville, VA

WayneS:

Can’t say that I’ve ever seen that one, but the Subaru mode-of-transport seems to be (by percentage) the Left's roadway apparatus of choice, especially in Vermont.

I disagree
That one is worse than the other. Once the name slinging has begun everyone is the loser. Reagan never was like that. Republicans have embraced the tactic of discrediting and disgracing you're opponent to win. Period. That is coming around to bite them in the rear end.
You may have hated Reagan for his policies but never for his ways.

hosekuervo and bathroom humor
hosekuervo writes: Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 5:04 AM "Most people outgrow bathroom humor when they hit 9 years old. Have you ever had your I.Q. checked?"

If this were true, Adam Sandler would be a poor man, not a rich one. But what I find remarkable about hosekuervo's nonsensical jibe is his remarkable ignorance about the role of intelligence in forming personal character. His idea is that someone hasn't outgrown bathroom humor because he's not SMART enough; his IQ isn't high enough.

This is characteristic of the Left. They genuinely don't understand human beings, human nature, or human civilization, and so every decision they make about how to improve things for any of these is just, completely wrong.

Hose, if you happen to be reading this, take notes: if the fellow you're talking to is still acting juvenile, though he's grown, the problem isn't his brain, it's his character. The formation of character is only marginally related to intelligence. This is why wise men from previous generations so frequently observed that to educate the head without forming the character was to create a dangerous sociopath.

Leftists, who frequently fit that very profile (strong intellect, no character), naturally adhere to philosophies that emphasize intellect and ignore character, because it makes them feel good about themselves. This is how liberals manage to call themselves virtuous without ever lifting even a finger to do the hard work of actually becoming virtuous -- they believe "virtuous" means "smart."

Buck Fush" and the Left
If you really think that only the left is using vulgar language then I have a bridge that I would like to sell you.

ThighMaster
No, no, nothing of that sort. My comment is in reference to a very peculiar theory of Bluebustard’s. I deplore when anyone tries to portray Bush as a criminal or evil person. He is nothing of the kind.

Kool-Aid Drinkers Unite
The other thing Dennis forgot to mention about the type of people who would put this type of bumpersticker on their cars is they probably work at the local McDonald's and attend a liberal arts college. I think Bill O'reilly calls them 'Kool-Aid drinkers'.

Buck Ann Coulter
Some of the most searing and painful invective directed at a political opponent comes from the pen and mouth of Ann Coulter. Her disdain and disgust for those who disagree with her is clearly evident to EVERYone who reads or listens. Of course, she never descends to profanity...

Hmmm... I guess THAT's the real difference between the rude-right-fringe and the looney-left-fringe - INTELLIGENCE!

Clinton and Bush could share a cell
Those that feel Bush is getting worse treatment then Clinton should simply compare dollar amounts. When Fred Thompson led a committee to investigate 1996 campaign finance abuses, he found, prosecuted and convicted Asian donors making illegal contributions to Bill Clinton's re-election campaign. Clinton walked away scot-free and the donors were convicted, but the investigation, including hearings and a 7,200 page report - cost taxpayers over $7 million dollars.

Bush was never investigated for election fraud, despite much proof of wrongdoing. Any one care to know what the proof is? Anyone want to challenge the report that Karl Rove's office engaged in illegal vote tampering?

Minky - here's your proof: the testimony of the UN inspectors two weeks before the invasion - it's on the record. You know the US was who gave Saddam the WMD in the first place, right? Reagan and Daddy Bush, right after they gave millions to Osame bin Laden on the advice of Cheney/Rumsfeld's "Team B".

But Saddam had disarmed, used everything or destroyed it. They checked all suspected sites, all sites suggested by US intel. CIA knew from top sources there was no program. I don't blame you for not knowing, but you have no excuse after reading this:
http://mathaba.net/news/?x=554738

Please don't give us the brainwashed "Clinton did it too" talking points - you can put Clinton in the same cell as Bush for all I care. Clinton was alreday impeached, caught lying, embarrassed, humiliated and discredited.

Just make sure you investigate the guys ripping off our kids right now.

Once you guys catch up with the Palast evidence, you'll realize the Iraq war designed to rip YOU off - yes YOU, the gas-guzzling SUV owner, or the future generations that will foot the bill for the destruction.

The invasion of Iraq was deliberately meant to suppress worldwide oil production and make gas and home heating fuel prices more then DOUBLE. Just as it has. Care to ask where the proof is for this?

gretske - I don't hate Bush/Cheney, I just want to stop them. If you have kids you should too. It's nothing personal, he's a great guy other then exploiting taxpayers and future generations, our troops, the 9-11 victims and tens of thousands of collateral victims worldwide.

Specifically, the 1967 Voting Rights Act makes it a felony to target voters based on race. The overwhelming preponderance of voters on the "caging-l.xls" files were black and hispanic. And you're wrong on the MSM, because they have not even reported the evidence yet. So chalk one up for Bush on that.

Please, don't insult me, I'm here to civilly discuss political issues, specifically alerting others to evidence which you can refute but not ignore.

wiseone - I don't agree Limbaugh and Hannity being willing to discuss the issues. They won't allow an articulate opponent more then half a minute on their air. They broadcast in almost total vaccuum. Today, Rush is 2/3rds done with his show and hasn't mentioned Cheney's Chief of Staff is headed for jail, let alone take calls on the issue. Instead, he reports on Rep. Jefferson, as if it was a bigger headline. Is that responsible punditry? No - it's Tokyo Rose style propaganda to slime the left completely out of proportion.

Right now the MSM refuses to report that repeated calls were made to the DC escort service by Cheney's mansion. They have never reported the Downing Street Memos where Bush wanted to paint planes with UN colors to send into harms way and provoke war. Don't deny these, folks because the White House still hasn't - they just gagged the media.

Thigh Master - the 1978 FISA laws were violated by Bush's unconstitutional NSA program - he also lied at a campaign speech when he said he would not wiretap without a warrant because he values the Constitution. Torture is also illegal under the Constition if only there was a politician with the will to prosecute. Americans don't torture - the bad guys do.

Minky - Joe Wilson was "slimed" but not discredited. Do you believe Iraq really sought Nigerian uranium? The "16 words" in the SOTU were deliberate lies, that led us into war, out of Bush's own mouth after he told George Tenet "Is that all you got?". Judith Miller's NY Times reports about WMD being found in Iraq were lies that led us into war, originating from Cheney's office. Rice, Rumsfeld and Cheney fanned out the next day, doing interviews that all referred to the articles that were retracted later as lies.

There's your proof right there - the Times retracted the article, fired Miller, but Bush never retracted the war.

As to the cursing issue - some people curse, some don't - it's inappropriate in front of kids and mixed company, otherwise who cares if you curse or not when you feel like it. A minor issue. Let's talk about whether you like living under a big national debt and what you think your kids will call YOU when they have to repay it.

Your blithe assumptions
tell me you'd like to put a label everywhere and on everyone. Whether liberals do it a thousand times and republicans do it once, they are both dishonored for the doing of it.

Run Hillary
Personally, I don't have any bumper stickers on my car but the one that makes me laugh is on THE FRONT of cars that reads "Run, Hillary, Run".

Very clever.

WWJD???

The ebb and flow of tidal waters, the rising and setting of the sun, mortality, taxes and WWJD off topic: five things you can always count on.

You did however write, “It's [cursing] inappropriate in front of kids and mixed company.” In the case of offensive bumper stickers, are we to fit our children with blinders, so as to protect them from this onslaught? Hmmm… Seems to me you’ve unwittingly bolstered Prager’s point.

proof of prager's phoniness
Any of you who listen to Dennis know how much he loves to say that he begs for his listeners to correct him if he says something wrong.

Well, yesterday I sent Dennis an e-mail. The subject line read "Your distortions of Obama's position".

You would think that a subject line like that would get the attention of a person who cares about telling the truth, wouldn't you?

But no. I got no response whatsoever.


Here is a copy of the e-mail I sent to him:



Dennis, right at the end of the show you told what seems to me to be, at the least, a serious distortion of Obama's take on terrorism in the world.


You said: Among the Democrats..."there is this widespread belief that... essentially our war is just with a handful of al Queda operatives in Afghanistan. I'm putting words in no one's mouth. That is exactly what Obama, Dodd, and Senator Obama said."



I defy you, Mr. Prager, to find, anywhere, where Obama said "Our war is JUST with a handful of al Queda operatives in Afghanistan."

You will not find these words Dennis, because he has NEVER said anything of the kind.

If you seriously believe that Obama thinks that our fight is ONLY in Afghanistan (which I highly doubt), you need to go to RealClearPolitics and look at Barack Obama's article on Foreign Policy that first appeared in Foreign Affairs magazine.

Here's a short excerpt from the third paragraph:

"Today, we are again called to provide visionary leadership. This century's threats are at least as dangerous as and in some ways more complex than those we have confronted in the past. They come from weapons that can kill on a mass scale and from global terrorists who respond to alienation or perceived injustice with murderous nihilism. They come from rogue states allied to terrorists and from rising powers that could challenge both America and the international foundation of liberal democracy."

But I think you should read the whole article so you can see that this is a very serious, and very deep thinker. I think you should also read his book, The Audacity of Hope, if you want to even pretend to have given his views serious consideration.

End of e-mail.


One would think that a man who likes to think of himself as unusually honest and moral would be eager to address this issue, wouldn't you?

Pile this on top of the many times he has talked about how defaming a person publicly is worse than rape and you have some idea of what a total phony this guy is.

Phylo out.

Phylo se fiser
How can I call you a "whining, self-absorbed, self-important idiot" without using an obscenity? Oh, yeah... it doesn't require an obscenity.

What I dislike is
not conservative values but the methods they have in recent years employed. The values are belittled by the methods.

Why is the left debased?

Mr. Prager you miss the real cause. King Solomon told us that ‘as a man thinks, so is he’. [Proverbs 23:7]

The assumption of naturalism has caused many on the left to suppress the knowledge of God. The consequences are not only seen in the increases of sexual perversion, but also of perverse thinking, the characteristics of which are given in Romans 1…


‘And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind…

being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;

who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.’ [Romans 1:28:32]


I hate to type "wwjd???" for you...
...because I have too much respect for the "j" in that string, but I need to indentify you, so there it is.

Your list of "criminal" acts of the Bush administration is pretty funny, actually. I was going to ask you for the evidence of voter fraud, but then I caught your reference to "Palast." Greg Palast has been posting hysterical nonsense for 5 years. I've read a great deal of it, because (contrary to the lies of Democrats) I and a number of my fellow conservatives are genuinely interested in the truth. He's not gotten any traction because his evidence supporting his claims is generally so thin as to be laughable.

It's been my claim throughout the last 6 years' deluge of accusations from the Left that there hasn't been a single claim of fraud or criminality that could be supported without first making the presupposition, "All Republicans are criminals." IF you presuppose this, then the ordinary workings of the government become ominous. But to those of us who retain our objectivity (to say nothing of our sanity), the evidence presented looks an awful lot like ordinary, legal business. Only to those who presuppose criminality does it look even remotely like evidence of wrongdoing.

Short version: I expect this latest shrill accusation to be as damaging as the last 4,562,173 have been -- they'll prove that the Republicans are conducting legal business, and they'll prove, yet again, that liberals can convince themselves that legal business is genuine proof of criminality.

oops.
cheney said that to patrick leahy, not carl levin.

nonetheless, Pwned.

Phylo se Fiser and a good laugh
This reminds me of those nincompoops who stand outside in the rainstorm, shake their fists at God, and say "If you're real, come strike me down!" And then, when they come in from the rain unstruck, say "I've just proved God doesn't exist," as though that's the ONLY PLAUSIBLE explanation for why they didn't get struck down. The other plausible explanations ("God thinks you're hilarious," "God doesn't work like that," "God has better things in mind for you," or "God simply isn't very impressed" somehow never come up as possibilities.)

Phylo, you narcissistic little toad, did it occur to you, perhaps, that Prager just doesn't think you're important enough to answer? That he receives several hundred such emails a day, and most of them are more articulate, more cogent, or more relevant than yours? Of course not... he lives to rebut Phylo se Fiser, and the only POSSIBLE explanation for his failure to reply is... he's dishonest.

I'm amused, but I'm not impressed. You need some help, my man...

Pwnhall
You apparently missed the very cogent explanation of the relevant difference between the bumper stickers about which Praeger is writing, and the instances you mention involving Cheney and Scalia, from earlier this morning.

Let me repeat it for you.

There's all the difference in the world between comments intended for public display (e.g. bumper stickers), and comments meant for private communication (the instances you mention) that just happen to get picked up and broadcast by an unfriendly press. Reread the article, with the intention of understanding Praeger's point about public vs private expletives, and you'll get it.

But then, actually understanding the truth wasn't ever really your goal, now, was it?

Pwnhall
Yeah nitwit, Land Deal Reid's never