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Wednesday, November 05, 2008
Wynton Hall :: Townhall.com Columnist
Karl Marx is Not the Father of Capitalism
by Wynton Hall
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Sen. Barack Obama won for a simple reason: historical amnesia.

I once asked a room full of college students who the father of capitalism was.

Crickets began chirping as blank stares shot my way.

“Oh, come on,” I prompted. "Does anyone want to take a guess?”

Finally, one bold student blurted out, “Isn’t it Karl Marx?”

(That creaking sound you’re hearing is Adam Smith rolling over in his grave.)

Sadly, this is a true story. And sadly, this kind of economic and historical amnesia goes a long way toward explaining how the most far-Left candidate in American presidential history wound up in the White House.

The reason Sen. McCain’s “socialism” charges didn’t stick is precisely because “socialism” means little to voters who don’t know what the term even means. Public schools teach multicultural curriculum but seldom if ever the basics of free market economic principles.

But don’t take my word for it. Today, go out and ask five members of Sen. Obama’s target demographic—the 18 to 25-year old voter—to explain how capitalism works.

Then sit and wait for the crickets to begin chirping again.

Joe the Plumber understands free markets because he’s operated a business. But without proper economic education or real world experience, young people are left in economic darnkness.

And what about the 46 million Americans who don’t even pay taxes?

Do they understand that President-Elect Obama's economic designs only rattle an already rickety economic infrastructure? Of course not.

Republicans must bear much of the responsibility for not communicating these lessons clearly. Unlike Ronald Reagan (who majored in economics at Eureka College), Sen. McCain missed critical opportunities to play the role of “Educator in Chief.”

Take, for example, Sen. Obama’s “soak the rich” tax proposals. Sen. McCain missed huge opportunities to teach the American voter a lesson that Ronald Reagan pounded home often: businesses don’t pay taxes! Oh sure, on paper they pay taxes, but in reality they merely pass taxes along to consumers or cut jobs to make up the difference.

Here’s how Ronald Reagan taught this principle during an interview with Reason magazine:

Who pays the business tax anyway? We do! You can’t tax business. Business doesn’t pay taxes. It collects taxes. And if they can’t be passed on to the customer in the price of the product as a cost of operation, business goes out of business. Now what they’re going to do is make it easier for demagogic politicians–and you’ve got plenty of them in the state legislature–to say to the people, look, we need money for this worthwhile project but we’re not going to tax you, we’re going to tax business, now that we can do it by a one vote margin. So they’ll tax business and the price of the product will go up and the people will blame the storekeeper for the rise in the price of the product, not recognizing that all he’s doing is passing on to them a hidden sales tax.

If people need any more concrete explanation of this, start with the staff of life, a loaf of bread. The simplest thing; the poorest man must have it. Well, there are 151 taxes now in the price of a loaf of bread–it accounts for more than half the of a loaf of bread. It begins with the first tax, on the farmer that raised the wheat. Any simpleton can understand that if that farmer cannot get enough money for his wheat, to pay the property tax on his farm, he can’t be a farmer. He loses his farm. And so it is with the fellow who pays a driver’s license and a gasoline tax to drive the truckload of wheat to the mill, the miller who has to pay everything from social security tax, business license, everything else. He has to make his living over and above those costs. So they all wind up in that loaf of bread. Now an egg isn’t far behind and nobody had to make that. There’s a hundred taxes in an egg by the time it gets to market and you know the chicken didn’t put them there!

They didn’t call Ronald Reagan the Great Communicator for nothing. That’s a pretty amazing quote, isn’t it? Especially in light of the recent financial meltdown and the rationale used to justify a $700 billion bailout. But here’s what’s even more amazing: Ronald Reagan said those words in July 1975, a full five years before winning the White House. Put simply, Reagan stayed “on message” for years and didn’t relent.

Reagan understood that you have to teach voters why Leftist policies are wrongheaded. He also understood that you have to pound home a message before it will stick.

Rebuilding the conservative message will demand that the next generation of conservative leaders do the same.

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Wynton Hall is a Visiting Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and author of "The Right Words: Great Republican Speeches That Shaped History".

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It means jealousy
The reason Sen. McCain’s “socialism” charges didn’t stick is precisely because “socialism” means little to voters who don’t know what the term even means.

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Its what the bible called covetousness
Its envy

Not too dangerous until it gains positions of power over a people, then its the worst killer of men in the history of the world.
20th Century socialists murdered more humans than any other time in history of the world.

Its deciet filled with every work of darkness known to mankind, and its now going to be seated in the Oval Office.

A little man filled with jealousy and envy, and has 1/2 this country feeling the same covetousness.

America will never be a great country ever again, as excellence of mind and spirit has been spit on by jealousy from a racist bigot now claiming the highest office in the land.
And he has enough idiots supporting him we could see happen here what we once read about in third world countries.

Jealousy and hate for true American Values of Independent free men will bring violence to fruit in an America that never will be a great nation ever again.
Never

Russians are watching
The Russians are laughing at us tonight!
The left will cut the military budget and the first to go will be contractors that keeps the bases operating! Today we lost our country! We have a con man for president, do you not think Putin and his people will figure this con man out in a matter of days. It would please me to no end to see Russia put a 10% flat tax system in place. That is the only possible salvation for the USA. I have lost my country, the souls laying in the graves at Normandy, what have we done. Suddenly the pride I once had seems to have left me. I feel very uncomfortable in my own homeland, my wife told me the same thing, she has lost the comfortable feeling we once had in being an American.
Russia gave up on Marxism
America begins the embrace of Marxism.

But God
Once again, as recorded in history, a people forget Who the blessings come from and are now clamoring for anyone who will promise continued comfort without sacrifice. The self loving intellectual will capitalize on the greedy and ungrateful idolator every time.

Won't it be interesting to see what happens when those who voted for "The Narcissist" find out he can't deliver.

The only chance for America to return to glory is to repent and put God in His rightful place: Far above anything else.

P.S. For those who tend to worship themselves and anything but the true God, the starting place is Jesus Christ: the only way to the Father.

America has Lost
Tonight you saw Democracy destroy the USA


Democracy is a dangerous mob rule.

Elegy
Ill fares the land, to hastening ills a prey
Where wealth accumulates...and men decay.

America has been saved from foolishness before merely because others were more foolish still. And what the heck, we did good for a while. Maybe its time to relax and let somebody else take over. Ane maybe we won't have a choice.

Businesses
What businesses need to start doing is listing on their products the hidden taxes that the consumer pays. That way people may realize there is no free lunch.

The Battle Continues
Come on people....don't give up hope. The battle continues...Yes, our country and freedoms have taken a big hit tonight. We will see the moral fiber of our land torn and battered. But it is our duty to continue to fight for our Christian heritage and our children and grandchildren. Too many of our country men have paid the ultimate price for our freedoms for centuries for us not to fight. Although, we, here at home, do not bear arms (atleast not today)and fight a distant nation we are very much in a war. Like our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan it is our duty and privilege to defend our nation's values and freedoms and interests. So tonight catch your breath, put on your armor, and prepare for battle because the next four years will be an all out war to save our conservative Christian values. While half the nation chose liberalism the other half chose conservatism. All is not lost...it's just a wake up call. Answer the call.

Trickle-up economics
How many times did Obama use the phrase "trickle-up economics" during his campaign? I say at least five times in every speech.

It's the dumbest idea I've heard. According to Obama, if the state plunders the wealth of the rich and productive and redistributes it to the poor and unproductive, their boost in spending power will make the economy grow "from the bottom up."

*sigh* where to start.

If you hike taxes on the productive, they will have less capital with which to invest in growth and manufacture. If you give this money to the poor, they will have more dollars to spend on goods but there won't be any more goods available than there are now because the capital needed to make them has been diverted away from its proper role.

More dollars chasing the same goods? PRICE RISES. Basic economics.

It just seems like every aspect of Obama's economic plans will result in an increase in consumer prices. And who is hit hardest by such rises? The poor of course!


Socialism
Socialism is little more than a yearning for the unearned.

No, Karl Marx is not the father
of capitalism, and neither is Adam Smith. Capitalism is a universal, mathematical truth that cannot be created nor destroyed by man. Capitalism is the result of man's obedience to a very specific natural law. Socialism, Communism, Totalitarianism etc. are the results of man's violation of this same natural law.

It is this natural law that defines an American, and where you find this law observed, there you will find America. Bill, talent scout and davpatt3, listen to Kathleen and don't despair. Use this time to find out what conservative principles really are, starting with the definition of the word "Republic."

http://www.thylibertyinlaw.com

Kathleen and Wynton
I'm with you. Dont give up hope, teach. Teach with every opportunity presented to you (and with the coming policies they'll be plenty of opportunity).


William
Don't you realize the poor will get a check from the government for $1000. Never mind that the hidden cost of goods and services will go up $2000 to give them that $1000. BO can blame the increase on those mean businesses who take everything from the poor. Business never earns any of their profits except on the backs of the poor.

Banana Republic ?
America has chosen it's poison. It looks like America wants to go the way of California ; Bankrupt financially, economically, morally and spiritually. No amount of "Kumbaya" will change this.

Say hello to the new, prosperous, capitalist societies such as China, India and Brazil. They all had varying degrees of experience with socialism and Marxism and have decided to emulate what truly works : Capitalism.

We are embarking on a long bitter journey to find out what they all have known for a long time.

I just hope that the new economic giants will be as generous with foreign aid as we were...we will need it!

ouch
Well the good news? Every irresponsible decision we make be it government or personal lives ALWAYS bites in the end. If Obama operates the way he always has then the Cool aid drink that most people have been drinking will wear off soon enough. Unfortunately, we all pay.

Do not mis-read me
Kathleen
Location: NC
Reply # 7
Date: Nov 5, 2008 - 1:36 AM EST Subject: The Battle Continues
Come on people....don't give up hope. ...
. All is not lost...it's just a wake up call. Answer the call.
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I will die fighting against the people like Obama.
As far as answering the call, we have no leader, we have no trumpet sound to follow.
What we have is too many blowing their trumpets and leave all conservatives in confusion.

McCain ran a campaign to lose it as far as i am concerned, its what I seen from him.

He gave no fight, and blew no trumpet to follow.
He is as inspiring as washing dishes

Marrying Communism
Once a country joins in a union and marries a communist country and then continues to take on a new bride, it's only a matter of time before they're all in bed together and I do believe that this is a possibility on the horizon for the American people who didn't bother to find out if Obama is an illegal alien or a legal citizen of the United States because the other part of the story is that the media jumped into bed with all of these married couples who believe in polygamy; abortion; infanticide; bigamy; same sex; and altogether they become one! The problem is that it's nearly impossible to divorce any one of those brides because it would come at a very high price to pay and America's broke in morality, decency, integrity, honesty, traditions, truth, justice and the American way!

don't give up!
Alright everyone...this is America. NOW is not the time to give up. If we do, then at some point our rights to free speech will be lost too. Keep the fight and don't be afraid to say "I'm a conservative, and know my values," How about you?

Karl Marx is not...
WELL SAID, Rose in California. Suitable for framing !!!

"CONGRATULATIONS" MSM, ON THE "WIN"
The MSM succeeded in transforming Marxist Obama into a "moderate."

After BO stifles the economy with a plethora of "green" regulations aimed at those environmentally "unfriendly" industries (like coal, oil, and nuclear), throws money at unviable new energy sources, and the Pelosi-Reed congress allows the Bush tax cuts to expire while slapping confiscatory taxes on small business and individuals, who will they be able to blame? Bush?

Too bad the vast majority of "The One's" voters
aren't old enough to remember Jimmy Carter's hallmarks with like programs: Deepening recession, double digit inflation, rampant unemployment, and Marxist takeover of a raft of democracies in the world without U.S. intervention.

If the Senate isn't filibuster proof, the Republicans will have to find some way to educate the voting public on the socialistic issues being filibustered.


Terrific article, Wynton.

Comrade
I guess I will start calling my coworkers comrade and be ready to be sent to the re-education camps when they are started up.

Jim, MO
Thanks - I can't respect a man who has an identity crisis with several alias and refuses to turn over his certified birth certificate and Citizenship papers to a judge because I don't know who he is. His grandma said he was born in Kenya, but his wife says Hawaii. His step sister was born in Hawaii. He traveled with Indonesian passport (not an American passport) to Afghanistan in 1981 - re-entered U.S. as Indonesian citizen who went to a biblical school but by their law requires that they be taught Islamic teachings - and allegedly never filed for American citizenship when he re-entered our country - Indoenesia and America don't recognize dual citizenships - therefore he should be disqualified. If the average citizen refused to turn over their identity to a judge or law enforcement, they'd probably be arrested and charged with a crime, but I guess if you run for U.S. President it's not important to prove who you are to the American people even if the U.S. Constitution requires it because the Justices of the Supreme Court don't believe in following the laws of the land that are there to secure the safety of our country and our citizens. Not to worry, they let the anti-American terrorists go to our schools and fly our planes right into the Twin Towers because they never asked for any legal identification, either even after they were allegedly warned of possible national security issues -

Something Strange
and troublesome - unbelievable - stunning.
The relationships, the slanted media, the rhetoric, the frightening speeches, remarks, etc. expressing an ideology thoughtful Americans find unacceptable, the overwhelming crowds that bring unpleasant flash backs, the outrageous length and expense of a presidential campaign and the souce and size of undocumented donations, the questionable antics to increase voter participation, votes bought and paid for with promises funded by taxpayer dollars.
Conservatives have wrongly assumed that all Americans love and understand the foundation of our great nation and our many freedoms.

Marxist Obama?
Mr. Hall and fellow commenters,

You accuse leftists of historical amnesia and various other ignorances and sins. Here's a quick reading test for you all: Describe a Marxist society, and explain exactly how President Obama will bring about that state.

Gotta be equipped to fight the real Marxists, folks.

peace,
nick

Thank You, Wynton
Your voice is always clear.

Well, tomorrow is another day. I guess with the advent of the new USSA, it is time for me to contemplate shutting down my business, quitting my other job, enter into a same-sex marriage and start taking drugs. This might be the only way to handle living in the hardcore left Bay Area in the new regime.

BHO as POTUS is a travesty. GOD have mercy on us all.

Marxism
Sorry to be snippy - no, actually I'm not; do you fear-monger much? Think of how you belittle other people's genuine fears for their rights and then look at yourself. It's becoming more evident to me that every demagogue in America delves into the politics of the worst case scenario for no other reason than to make some abstract point that can obliquely be interpreted as potentially showing them to be slightly, somewhat reasonable. I'm not trying to hate on you but I'm over this type of rhetoric; bring me some FACTS, not statistical abstractions or anecdotes; tell me how you honestly have felt the impact of any change of government officials. There is no coup d'etat; no revolutionary ardor waiting to sweep up all the good people in the nation; no monster in the closet, no vampire under your collective bed. Get over yourself...

You see it as it is Rose
Rose writes:- 4:16 AM EST
... I can't respect a man who has an identity crisis with several alias and refuses to turn over his certified birth certificate and Citizenship papers to a judge because I don't know who he is. His grandma said he was born in Kenya, but his wife says Hawaii. His step sister was born in Hawaii. He traveled with Indonesian passport (not an American passport) to Afghanistan in 1981 - re-entered U.S. as Indonesian citizen who went to a biblical school but by their law requires that they be taught Islamic teachings - and allegedly never filed for American citizenship when he re-entered our country - Indoenesia and America don't recognize dual citizenships - therefore he should be disqualified. If the average citizen refused to turn over their identity to a judge or law enforcement, they'd probably be arrested and charged with a crime, but I guess if you run for U.S. President it's not important to prove who you are to the American people even if the U.S. Constitution requires it because the Justices of the Supreme Court don't believe in following the laws of the land that are there to secure the safety of our country and our citizens. Not to worry, they let the anti-American terrorists go to our schools and fly our planes right into the Twin Towers because they never asked for any legal identification, either even after they were allegedly warned of possible national security issues -
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Strange indeed, I honestly believe this election was fixed and stolen.
The irony is I can be prosecuted under Federal Law for hiring a ditch digger, if I do not verify papers to determine if he is legal.

And all the twisting Obama has done to avoid showing his Birth Certificate is all the evidence I need he is a liar and not even a citizen.

This man was born in Kenya

Dead on accurate, talent scout

"McCain ran a campaign to lose it as far as i am concerned, its what I seen from him.
"He gave no fight, and blew no trumpet to follow. He is as inspiring as washing dishes"
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Which is why the MSM anointed him; even early on they knew him well for a loser. But I still don't consider my vote wasted since I voted against The One.

"That one" is none of MY doing and he sure isn't MY president.

One bright spot -- after the MSM "coverage" this election, their credibility is down the tubes.

I am too old for the good fight any longer but, like the out-to-pasture warhorse whose head lifts high with nostrils flared and ears pricked, I still stir a bit inside when the flags passes by.

Nick from florida
How about taking away the wealth from some to "spread it around" -- to those who don't work, so haven't earned it, but believe strongly that they deserve it?
What will be the incentive for good solid Americans to go to work every day? Or to go to school to earn a better living for their families? President Nobama said it is a good thing to take those earnings away from them.
I wonder how much of HIS personal wealth he is going to spread around (on other than $500.00 afternoon snacks ordered from room service at a hotel) . . .

Shut up nick
No one here needs to pass any test you give, and from a person who is ignorant to begin with

Ronald Regan also said:
"Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation from extinction. It is not ours by inheritance, it must be defended constantly by each generation, for it comes only once to a people. Those who have known freedom and then lost it have never known it again."

What a sad day for America...
We will never know the freedom we loved again.

Darkness - darkness - darkness…

The US has just crossed the line to being post -Christian, and will never return…

This moment is the end of the 500 years of European dominance and US superpower status…

We who were fighting for the traditional social issues and the right to defend our way of life lost the debate and we lost the election…

A majority of the US loves darkness rather than light…

The secret power of lawlessness is already at work…

For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion, so that they will believe a lie, and so all will be condemned, who have not believed the truth, but have delighted in wickedness…

Come out of her my people so you do not share her sins, so that you do not receive any of her plagues…

This is not my country any more, at 11:00 PM 11/04/2008 FOX NEWS declared Obama the winner…

I will treat him with even worse contempt than they gave Pres. GW Bush…

I will say that godless-Marxist is not my president…

The rest of my life I will seek membership in secessionist parties…

The whole US became everything I loathe…

I don’t even want to be buried in the US like my ancestors since Plymouth Colony…

Throw my ashes over the ocean…

Darkness - darkness – darkness…


Marxism...
In a post-Christian society, if your outrage is not due to moral reasons, with Marxists the expectation of equality of wealth becomes absolute, you are outraged over everybody who has too much money and you are outraged over everybody who has too little money. You are not outraged that Big-Oil broke any laws of obtained their money in a way that was immoral, you are simply outraged that Exxon Mobile eared too much money. You are outraged by CEO salaries, not because the CEO’s stole then money, but because they have too much money. You are not outraged that John McCain and his wife obtained their houses in an illegal or immoral manner, you are outraged by the fact they have too many houses. You say it is patriotic to pay a lot of taxes, and unpatriotic if rich people find ways to hide their money from you, and you want government policy to take from the rich and give to the poor, to be fair…

Cultural Marxism...
In a post-Christian society, if your outrage is not due to moral reasons, with Cultural Marxists the expectation of equality of power becomes absolute, love is all you need becomes absolute, cowardice becomes absolute, freedom of personal choice becomes absolute, ACLU lawlessness becomes absolute, You are outraged if anyone uses force, like the military, like the death penalty, like the gun in my truck, like the strap, like the back of my hand, to impose anything on anybody. You are outraged over every victim, but victim is not a victim of crime, who was harmed by someone lying about them, or murdering, stealing, having sex with their spouse, or hating, flirting, coveting, what wasn’t theirs. The victim they are outraged about is oppressed individuals, or any oppressed groups, forced to do anything by those who use power, the oppressors. Nobody has the right to impose anything on anybody. You honor victims rather than military heroes. You are not outraged the unborn human infant was aborted and is a victim. You are outraged when a woman is not free to make this choice to have an abortion, if the oppressors told the victim you have to allow the baby to live. You are not outraged by the immorality of somebody who murders, but you are outraged by giving that person the death penalty. You always fight for criminals’ rights, to decrease their penalties, tie the hands of police, and soften prisons. Imposing anything on criminals is more outrageous to you, than the crimes they committed. This is the reason there is over a hundred street gangs in every city and town in the US and we become tribal. Being a citizen of the world and insisting on world peace is so important to you that you view the actions of your own military defending you as a bunch of out of control troublemakers causing trouble in the neighborhood that must come home now, and you want government policy to empower the oppressed, to be fair…

liberation theology...
They don't call it white. I am just using white referring to white churches in contrast to black churches that teach this...

‘White liberation theology’ like Bill Clinton’s pastor Tony Campolo is irrationally and intentionally on the wrong side of the cold war, because they wrongly think God opposes the rich and powerful. God is on the side of the poor and oppressed victims. It doesn’t come from their Christianity, but rather comes from their Marxist expectations of equality wealth, and cultural Marxist expectations of equality of power…

‘Black liberation theology’ like Barack Obama’s Rev Wright, is irrationally and intentionally on the wrong side of the cold war, because they wrongly think God is against the whites because they are rich and powerful. God is for the blacks because the are poor oppressed victims…


Their Jesus is a hippy…

White and black liberation theologies were intentionally on the wrong side of the cold war because they were anti-establishment counterculture rabble-rousers… We shall overcome… every mountain shall be brought down… every valley will be raised up is national suicide if we attempt it now. It brings down Wall Street, causes lawlessness on the streets and in families, and leaves the country defenseless...

White oppressors...
This is not just a different political rhetoric. These are extreme differences in the most basic worldview, beliefs, values, and behavior thinking. In their tribe they view all whites as rich oppressors, slave owners. All blacks are the poor oppressed victims and slaves. Their tribe is ending the era of European dominance. They need massive government programs to “bring down every mountain and raise up every valley.” They demand massive reparations by the government called Social Justice. Their tribe doesn’t view Muslims imposing Shariah Law as being oppressive and they forget that the Muslims sold the blacks into slavery to the Europeans. They view Muslims now simply as other oppressed groups of blacks in a world of white dominance. They have lost the history that it was Conquistadors who considered themselves white that conquered Mexico, Central and South America…

All whites are the oppressors...

Every group they decide to add to their list are the oppressed..

What have we done fellow Americans!?!
At this very day America well may have buried the ideas of market capitalism, true first amendment rights and freedom of speech, right to bear arms, state rights and federalism, upholding our unique and precious constitution, right to life for the unborn, a colorblind society who rewards only on the basis of merit, right to the fruits of our labor, a republic as oppose to a mere rule-of-mob democracy and the sanctity of marriage, freedom of religion and many other precious ideas and rights that many Americans hold dear and are at the fundament of America's uniqueness and strength.

And we buried these precious rights with our own hands and with such callousness and haughtiness that will leave our children and grand children wondering in horror! They will ask us later "Mother, father, you had it great and easy when you were young! What came upon you that you took the chance of having the same prosperity and good fortune and freedom away from us for the sake of a silly fad of following a snake oil salesman who promised you pie in the sky?! Why?!"

America was the last bastion of defense for these precious rights and ideas. Let's hope we can still resurrect those precious ideals of our nation and of all freedom loving people of the world! Let's hope the hard way that we have to learn from our stupid mistakes won't be way too hard! May our children and grandchildren forgive us for this mass psychosis and juvenile folly! May God save our nation!

Darkness
Chas: like you, my ancestors date back to Plymouth Colony. Our family proudly belongs to the John Alden Society. For centuries my family and fellow countrymen have fought, bled and died to stop the forces that just won last night. I am so sad for our country and so scared for my children's future. Especially my boys who are now 10 when I think of the military. I too feel lost - without a country. The bodies that will rule our nation are dark, and their backers are wealthy and stealth - evil in their planning.

Thank you, Mr. Hall
You are quite correct. We need a leader that can educate the great uneducated. We may first need something that will get their attention....and with Obama and co, we may not have long to wait.

Fellow Americans, what have we done?!
At this very day America well may have buried the ideas of market capitalism, true first amendment rights and freedom of speech, right to bear arms, state rights and federalism, upholding our unique and precious constitution, right to life for the unborn, a colorblind society who rewards only on the basis of merit, right to the fruits of our labor, a republic as oppose to a mere rule-of-mob democracy and the sanctity of marriage, freedom of religion and many other precious ideas and rights that many Americans hold dear and are at the fundament of America's uniqueness and strength.

And we buried these precious rights with our own hands and with such callousness and haughtiness that will leave our children and grand children wondering in horror! They will ask us later "Mother, father, you had it great and easy when you were young! What came upon you that you took the chance of having the same prosperity and good fortune and freedom away from us for the sake of a silly fad of following a snake oil salesman who promised you pie in the sky?! Why?!"


Chas
You are so right on in all your post as are many others here who know the truth!

Because they choose to believe a lie...God will send them strong delusion. Those walking under the delusion will be pouncing on you today! But that is okay because God is still on the throne! He will be by the side of his faithful all the way!

What is really sad is the millions of Christians who took a stand yesterday and decided to turn their backs on God and walk hand and hand with Ayers, Wright, Khalidi, Planned Parenthood, ACORN, George Soros, hollywood atheists, and Farrahkhan and so on!

Idolatry over God.

The Bible states in Eccle. It is good for a man to enjoy the fruits of his "own" labor! That man is also to be a good steward of his own labor! But no where in the bible does it mandate a man should be forced to give up the fruits of his labor and give to someone who has not earned it. You will NOT find that. Ye shall reap what you sow. Sow sparingly and reap sparingly. Sow bountifully and reap bountifully! That is a natural law! But we see now that many believe they should reap the harvest of others while they sow sparingly! A very ungodly principle.

God will still bless His faithful through the storm so those who stayed true to biblical principles continue to be strong and of good courage and God will bless you and prosper you no matter the state of the economy! That is a promise of God and be sure to claim it.

God Bless America!


Thanks Kevin & bj...
I don't feel like chatting right now...

Alexander Fraser Tytler, circa 1790
Attributed to Alexander Tyler:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years."

Karl Marx may not be the father of capitalism, but he seems to own this one.


h20skier LA, Nov 5, 2008 - 1:30 AM EST

Very good point about listing hidden taxes. Excellent.

The press is as idiotic . . .
As you students, Doc Hall.

And it iwill take REVOLUTION
in the schools, which CANNOT HAPPEN now that the Left has even more of a lock on the Federal Govt.

One day people will teach their children well. Now, it is only going to be a dictatorship of cultural smog.

OUT OF THE ASHES
of socialist Jimmy Carter, the Phoenix, Ronald Reagan, arose. It is now time to find the new Ronald Reagan, beginning today.

God bless America, now and forever!

Obama brings death
I cannot help but think when I study the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse how Obama epitomizes the one who will bring about the fulfillment of the beginning of the end: As the rider on the white horse, he is the Conqueror; the red horse, the destructor; the black horse, depravation; and the pale horse, death.

What the terrorists of 9/11 could not complete, Obama will finish. The late great USA will be a byword in the history books of the future, if there are any history books of the future.

Read up, pray up, and look up. Our redemption draws near.

"Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom, thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever. Amen."

Remember 9-11?

We all do. But we rarely remember how united we were on 9-12. I like to remember 9-12 better than 9-11 because we told the world 'never again' and we meant it.

And it hasn't happened again.

So, let's collectively take our time, analyze what has just happened, determine how we are going to survive and thrive, and then work together to never let this fraud and corruption happen again!

Let's get started. It's a new day!

Karl Marx or God?
THis is never going to end until America wakes up to discover that the church and the government have one thing in common. they both have the ability to aquire funding without earning it, by taxes for the government, and the tithe for the church.

The church needs to rise up to a national level and start taking care of the social issues of this nation so that our federal and state representatives are not able to be elected on social issues and then put those social issues into law.

Every time we put social issues to law we are one step closer to communism.

The only way to combat this is to remove the social issues from the federal government through the faith based initiative, and establish a national church where we would still be able to address the social issues of the nation, and simultainiously stop socialism and communism.

I am happy that we have come thus far in the racial divide, but i am afraid that we are all going to know Karl Marx a lot better after these next four years.

Karl Marx or God?
THis is never going to end until America wakes up to discover that the church and the government have one thing in common. they both have the ability to aquire funding without earning it, by taxes for the government, and the tithe for the church.

The church needs to rise up to a national level and start taking care of the social issues of this nation so that our federal and state representatives are not able to be elected on social issues and then put those social issues into law.

Every time we put social issues to law we are one step closer to communism.

The only way to combat this is to remove the social issues from the federal government through the faith based initiative, and establish a national church where we would still be able to address the social issues of the nation, and simultainiously stop socialism and communism.

I am happy that we have come thus far in the racial divide, but i am afraid that we are all going to know Karl Marx a lot better after these next four years.

BTW...

We now have our potential Constitutional crises coming up ahead. I'm referring to Berg vs Obama, and the case which challenges Obama's citizenship. We still don't have that question answered yet.

Maybe we never will get the answer because now Obama owns the country and can easily suppress any opposition or challenges.

Let's see what happens in the courts.


Obama is a son of Karl Marx
Just listen to what he said, wrote, and the rest of what he did.

I will declare him as the modern son of Stalin the future if he forces his tyrannical anti-American policies against Americans like me.

Marxist Obama voters
After 'the one' gets his redistribution of wealth program in operation, ask him if your assets and paycheck are now equal to that of Barbra Streisand, George Clooney, Oliver Stone,Michael(the blob)Moore & other like minded Hollywood porn operatives.

Let us Americans know the answer you get.

Talent Scout
You are not alone, brother. There are millions of us out here who still stand tall and are willing to fight.

The USA has weathered bad times before against bad people like Hitler and Stalin. Obama is just another cowardly socialist we need to defeat.

Anti Christ
Obamas name translates to 666 per rev 13 v 18

"Crickets began chirping..."
I hate to jump on the "let's disparage young people" bandwagon, but I think the reason so many of them went for Obama had nothing to do with economics or anything else related to policy. It was more the fact that he can text message, play basketball and overall is much cooler than the old guy who couldn't lift his arms over his head.

The political difference, not economic
The historical amnesia is yours. The only difference between Adam Smith and Karl Marx was the political difference of who was a 'savage.' Smith thought the Native Americans were savages, Marx thought the slave-owners and factory-owners were savages because of how they treated their workers.

The American Revolution was about overthrowing the savages of social caste. Karl Marx was more 'American' in his defense of the weak than the drivel you and conservatives push. You are the slave-masters who think you are a victim. You are embarrassed by the kindness and compassion of others.

Obama is hardly 'left-wing.' If anything, he is a typical conservative. He sold a book and made millions, basically getting paid for doing nothing, just like most Americans. He is more compassionate, but he believes the same fairy tales that you do. It isn't so much historical amnesia but the distorted mirror that you gaze into. You are convinced of your own virtue, just as McCain and Obama are convinced of theirs. Marx and Smith were no different. Self-righteousness has always been, and will always be, the main root of hypocrisy.

nick
“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set," he said. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
Barack Obama Speech July 2, 2008 Colorado Springs CO

After that, it's easy.

Steve
There ARE truths, and truth is Adam Smith's beliefs created an incredibly successful country, Karl Marx's, not so much. Historically speaking.

Steve
Your post missed the point of the article. Marx was an economist, but most kids have no clue how the Free Enterprise system works.... Like most adults. That is the point.

Economics Class 101


Although Adam Smith is often quoted, the so-called "Father of Economics" has rarely been read, either by his detractors or his admirers. Consequently he is often misunderstood.


Smith, who made such a strong stand against the protectionist mercantile system of trade of his day, devoted over ONE THIRD of his masterpiece An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations, to discussing the subject of government revenue and the methods by which it may be best collected, including new taxes. This is not generally known.


When examining the different forms of taxation, Smith adheres to four maxims which a good tax should conform to:



1. "The subject of every State ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the State."

2. "The tax each individual is bound to pay ought to be certain, and not arbitrary. The time of payment, the manner of payment, and the quantity to be paid, ought all to be clear and plain to the contributor, and to ever other person."


3. "Every tax ought to be levied at the time, or in the manner in which it is most likely to be convenient for the contributor to pay it."


4. "Every tax ought to be so contrived as both to take out and to keep out of the pockets of the people as little as possible, over and above what it brings into the public treasury of the State."



http://www.progress.org/banneker/adam.html

Does anyone know
Where I can get bumper stickers saying
DON'T BLAME ME.
I DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM.

I never before saw so many people with a death wish.

VICTORY FOR THE PARASITES
Welfare queens, victim groups, loafers, irresponsible breeders, criminals, socialists, students, elderly, everyone who exists ON the system rather than pulling the system along. And they all want MORE MORE MORE..

Steve
You are full of BS!

Savage???? what in the hell are you talking about?

And 'the one' is a socialist muslim born in Kenya and will live in America's whitehouse.

You couldn't sound any dumber if you tried.

You asked for it.
In January of 2009, The Obamessiah took office as the President of the United States. HIS first action in office was to destroy all nuclear weapons; the second to eliminate all fossil fuel sources. Behold, nuclear weapons and fossil fuels no longer existed on Earth.
Behold, the planet was covered with solar-panel fields, and windmill forests.

After ten years, there was only peace and harmony on the planet, because the noises and vibrations from the windmills drove all the people living near them to suicide. The solar panels killed most plants, so the people starved. No people to convert oxygen to CO2 killed off the rest of the plants. Everybody died except for The Obamessiah, Algore, and the 12 most liberal politicians living in the hydroponic garden in the bunker below Mount Rushmore.

One day, the Mount Palomar Observatory warned that “The Asteroid” was coming. “The Asteroid”, an outer space rock the size of The Alps, was on a collision course with Earth, as a 2008 NOVA documentary warned.

One liberal got out the file on “The Asteroid” to find out what to do. The instructions were to launch six, 20-megaton nuclear missiles and land them on “The Asteroid”, and then detonate them one-by-one, three seconds apart. The phased explosions should divert “The Asteroid” from hitting Earth.

Then one liberal said, “But we can’t do this! The Obamessiah beholded the missiles and fuel out of existence! We don’t have the missiles to launch or the fuel to launch them.”

Then they said, “But, The Obamessiah can behold “The Asteroid” not to hit the earth.”

After telling The Obamessiah about “The Asteroid”, the liberals realized that HE was actually the Twelfth Imam, THE ONE that, back in 2007, Muslim terrorists said would destroy the world in two years. Two years after 2007, was when The Obamessiah “beholded” the Missiles and fuel out of existence.

Just like Jim Jones
They all drank the KOOL AID..

Qualified
He is not qualified to be his own bodyguard...based on his past associations.

walkerny
"Welfare queens, victim groups, loafers, irresponsible breeders, criminals, socialists, students, elderly, everyone who exists ON the system rather than pulling the system along."

Thanks, now I'll know who to thank when I check my paystub sometime in 2009 and notice that it's $50 or $100 or $200 short...

Russell
I'm afraid that a "national church" actually WOULD violate the First Amendment, as written and intended.

And I'm just as glad, since there's a good chance that Rev. Wright would head such a church.

...Although, if Obama succeeds in filling the Supreme Court with properly empathetic justices, we may just GET that national church.

Steve
Adam Smith and many of the other classical economists misunderstood the origin of price. They understood it as the cost of labor in a product. The misunderstanding gave Marx the belief that if Labor was the determinant of price, then the natural end would be to weed out the upper management becoming more efficient. However, Labor is not the origin of price, marginal utility is. Because of this one small error, Marx is wrong and so is his philosophy.

Marx created the antithesis of his intentions, slave labor. Since he thought the profit motive of the upper-management was an increase in the real price of a product, the labor, he argued to end it through communal ownership. However, once there is no longer a profit motive you must force people to work. Forced labor is also known as slavery.

Egon, patroitic, chas, Kevin, Others
MID-NIGHT IN AMERICA!

With a friendly media and a president on their side, the hard left's vision of a secular and socialist America now becomes a reality.

I wish I could say that's the worst part. It's not.

With more power than ever before, the Pagan Left will take its war against Traditional and Conservative Americans into high gear.

Unrestricted abortion, a foreign affairs policy dealing from weakness and more federal programs than you can imagine is just the beginning.

Yep. It's past mid-night in America.


h20skier #6
The only problem with that idea is that
There are so many taxes, in so many places, imposed so many times, to each and every process, done to every part, of every pair (nut & bolt) of every subassembly, of every assembly, of every component, of every piece bought from every other company, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, that nobody knows how many taxes there are and how much they total (about one-third (1/3) of the total price?)

The Obamaniac's January agenda
What will they do in February?

EXISTING DEMOCRAT TAX BILLS AWAITING ACTION
INFO FROM OUR LOCAL LIBERAL NEWSPAPER
45 TRILLION DOLLARS = Carbon credit Tax
1 TRILLION DOLLARS = Charlie Rangel’s Tax
845 BILLION DOLLARS = Obama’s To-The-UN-To-Give-To-Our-Enemies-Tax
76 BILLION DOLLARS = Obama’s gasoline tax
10 CENTS PER GALLON = Gasoline pump tax increase
47 TRILLION DOLLARS = TOTAL NEW TAXES
THIS DOESN’T INCLUDE TAX CUTS THEY WILL ELIMINATE!
THIS DOESN’T INCLUDE 17 TRLLION DOLLARS WE ALREADY PAY.
OBAMA WANTS ONE TRILLION DOLLARS IN NEW SPENDING.
WHO GETS THE OTHER 46 TRILLION DOLLARS OF NEW TAXES?
HOW WILL QUADRUPILING OUR TAX BURDEN HELP US?
WE THE PEOPLE PAY ALL TAXES!!!

Obama wants a domestic Gestapo (made up of Muslim Arab terrorist or Mexican illegal alien criminals or murderers released from prison to make room for political prisoners?) the same size as the military, with the same equipment and weaponry as the military, and funded with the money presently funding the military, and with the military eliminated.

Joe Biden has GUARANTEED that within six months of Obama’s being elected there will be a major international crisis to test Obama. Will this be pre-arranged with Obama’s Muslim brothers to provide an excuse to pass and spend Obama’s 47 TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes? This is an excellent reason NOT to elect Obama.

Obama wants to spread the wealth around. Not his wealth, and not other rich liberals’ wealth, but the wealth of people who work and earn it, regardless how little wealth they have.

Obama plans to destroy the nation’s coal industry by bankrupting it. Coal is used for trains, power plants, and steel. Our oil industry has already been shut down. How soon until our steel mills and electric-generation industry are shut down?

Yet another PROBLEM
Given the obvious DEATH of America, we have yet another problem

Now we gotta look at his constantly pi@%ed off, butt ugly old lady every time he trots out to make a speech to tell us everything will be ok.

Check your Brain at the door
Well, its happened a Majority of Americans have elected the most inexperienced and unqualified Presidential candidate in the History of the United States, Congratulations all. Obama sure can give a Good speech, I will give him that, but actions speak loader than words and The Obama will now have to prove that he is worthy of his new Pay Grade...

cONSIDER THIS:
TWO WORDS TO THE WISE FOR HUSSEIN OBAMA, NANCY PELOSI, ET AL, HARRY REID, ET AL, AND SCOTUS: REMEMBER HISTORY

WHEN KING GEORGE III AND PARLIAMENT CAUSED THE FIRST AMERICAN REVOLUTION, THEY HAD 3000 MILES OF OCEAN AND A LARGE ARMY AND NAVY BETWEEN THEM AND THE VICTIMS OF THEIR TYRANNY. THAT IS WHY THE AMERICAN PATRIOTS DIRECTED THEIR DISPLEASURE AT A SHIPLOAD OF TEA.

NOW, WHEN U. S. CONGRESS MEMBERS ARE CAUSING THE SECOND AMERICAN REVOLUTION, THEY ARE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THE PATRIOTS THEY ARE BETRAYING, AS WERE THE FRENCH ROYALS WHO WERE GUILLOTINED. NOW THERE ARE 300 MILLION PEOPLE, ALL BEING HURT BY THESE ACTS OF TREASON.

NOW, THEY CAN BE TRIED FOR TREASON BY THEIR CONSTITUENTS WHO WILL NOT TOLERATE THE LIBERAL BETRAYEL OF OUR NATION AND OF OUR MILITARY PERSONNEL. WHEN BOTH SENATORS AND SEVERAL REPRESENTATIVES FROM MANY OF THE STATES COMMIT MULTIPLE ACTS OF TREASON AGAINST THE NATION AND THE PEOPLE, IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE CONSTITUENTS TO PROSECUTE THEM, SELECT APPROPRIATE PUNISHMENT FOR THEM, AND CARRY IT OUT.

No Brainers
Most if not a good majority of voters did not vote on the issues even if it were on economics. The vote was made on personality and popularity. The older voter had an instinctive idea about the economic issues. While the younger voter and a fleeting, almost vague understanding of the economic consequences. Overall the tide turning vote was with a no-brainer approach to electing an afro-american into office.

The Reeducation Camp is Going to be Huge
1. The Electoral College will be going away in favor of a pure Democracy insuring the power will never transfer.
2. The borders will be swung open even wider to welcome a new voter group of sheep who'll receive citizenship like candy.
3. Term Limits for Obama will be removed insuring he can be President for Life.
4. Obama will enter us into the George Soros' Global Communist Open Society.
5. The Fairness Doctrine will shut us all up.

The reeducation camps are going to be enormous. I'm planning to get to know Rush, Hannity, et al, really well there.

Steve MA, Nov 5, 2008 - 7:36 AM EST

Hey, man, what you smokin? I need some of dat stuff.

Lets see
Obama will not be able to keep his promises. He went to far.

We shall see. I've got his list all set to check off as he achieves or deceives. He's already flipped on many things.

Question is will Obama supporters call him on it? No of course not, it'll be head in the sand time.




Great article Mr. Hall
It reminds me of an episode on Judging Amy, one of my favorite television dramas.

Maxine, a social worker, had gone to a hospital to serve as guardian of a young juvenile who was a ward of the state and had been hospitalized. This young man was going thru drug withdrawal and was extremely confrontational. Maxine said, “Is there anything I can do for you?” He spat on her and said “Yes, you can make drugs legal and money free.”

People with any sense at all know how preposterous the idea is of free money. We might as well just say that the leaves on the trees or the rocks on the ground is money. You have to think long and hard about all the implications of what would happen to society if money were free, but the bottom line is that only when money represents something of value does it HAVE any value.

Money must represent goods and services produced in order to have any value. Free money would be worthless. People would not work if money were free. Society would cease to operate or function at all. Why go to work if you can just go outside and pull leaves off the trees and use it for money. Of course, there would be no food to buy because the farmer would also not go to work. The grocer would not operate a store nor would the stock clerks stock the store or the truck drivers bring the food across country to fill the store if money were free.

This is what liberals are basically trying to do. By wanting to provide free healthcare, free this and free that and giving checks to people who have not earned the money, they are making money worthless. Worthless money creates a disincentive to work and causes society to stop functioning.

We have four years to watch what happens. I hope people will pay attention.



So, here we are.....
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
~ John Adams, regarded as one of the most influential Founding Fathers of the United States.



"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

~ Norman Thomas, leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.

All black people who voted for Obama
When the muslim/arab terrorists, wearing the uniform of Obama's secret police are searching your home and person, with Obama's permission to kill you and rape your wife and children, remember that these are the same terrorists whose ancestors kidnapped your ancestors and sold them to the slave ships, and Obama is one of them. His father is descended from slavetraders, and his mother is descended from slave owners. Neither of these groups has ever done YOU a bit of good, and they never will. Remember also that Obama's brother lives in a hut in Kenya on $12.00 a year, and his aunt lives in a slum in Boston. How well do you think he will take care of you.

LD35 #53: For anyone who asks if his income matches that of a liberal, the answer will be a quiet disappearance, so he won't be able to tell anyone.

Polly #69: That national church would be a mosque devoted to Allah, any you will wear black rags to go inside or outside your home.

I am going back to bed, hoping to wake up from this nightmare. wish me luck.

I wonder how long.....

it will take before the ill informed people who voted for Marxist Obama begin to realize what they've done????




Keep it up and keep losing
Young people are always ideolistic they were in my day and they are now. Nothing new.

Joe the Plumber does not own a business. You have been listening to the propaganda for so long that you started to believe it.

There is nothing socialist about Obama's proposals for all the talk about economic principals you don't know them. Socialism is when government owns the major industries. A progressive income tax is not socialism and changing the top rate from 35-39 will not bring an end to western civilazation.

Obama's health care proposals are also not socialism, he has not proposed creating a government run system. Mr. Hall you need to go back to school and learn about economics.


Keep it up and keep losing
46 million Americans don't pay taxes. Wrong- 46% don't pay income taxes. But they pay FICA and they pay for all of the hidden taxes like excise taxes on Gas, etc.

The question we ought to be asking is why cut taxes when we have record deficits, underfunding in social security, a crumbling infrastructure and two wars to fight.

The answer is the belief that cutting taxes will stimulate the economy, otherwise cutting taxes is an irresponsible act. The the question is what kind of tax cut will stimulate the econonomy. The far right thinks the best thing to do is to cut taxes on the wealthy, the investor class and corportations with a litlle for the middle class.

Obama believes the best way to stimulate the economy is to cut taxes on the middle class and to expand the earned income credit for the working poor to keep them working and off the welfare rolls.

BTW it was Ronald Reagan who created the earned income credit which just goes to show you how far the right has drifted from where Reagan himself was.

Many mainstream ecomonists (people who understand economics with out the bias of their rigid ideology) believe that this approach will be more stimulative and create more economic growth than a tax cut aimed are corporations or high net wealth individuals.

Obama's proposals are moderate and mainstream and the Republicans have have drifted so far to the right that they are in danger of becoming a minority party. Wise up.

JMO51
your tone speaks so load that i can't hear your words. If you could set aside your class envy and the fact that you covet what others have you would realize that "from those according to their means to those according to their needs" is exactly the socialist platform. in socialism the government doesn't own the business (that's communism) the government runs the business either overtly or covertly through oppressive regulation. a progressive income tax is marxism, you should know that.

walkerny
Yea we should really do something about those sick elderly people sucking off of the system.

Do me a favor crawl back under the rock you came from.

JM051 is a fool
Socialism is centralized control of the economy.

It has no requirement that the government own the businesses. You do know that Nazi was the Nationalist Socialist Party in Germany? They didn't nationalize all businesses.

If you think that a small number of politicians make decisions better than thousands of businessmen and millions of consumers you are a fool.

If you think that decreasing the amount of money in an industry(like healthcare) will result in the same number of advances then you are ignorant.

If you think freedom is being able to vote every four years instead of picking a doctor or a healthcare plan you are ..well I can can't think of a word to describe that sort of idiocy.

Anne

The JMO51 types, if you can beleive it, are back here today defending Obama. WOW! Apparently, it's not enough that they won. Every single American must agree them and worship Obama like they do.

Talk about a bunch of sad people.

They win but guess what. They're still losers.

The eight-year neo-con nightmare is over
Quite a leap from a campaign debate over progressive taxation (which, BTW, has its roots in the writings of Adam Smith) to the spectre of Karl Marx-inspired totalitarian rule.

And today while the rest of the world is celebrating the historic election of a brilliant inspirational leader, the peevish, bitter denizens of Townhall.com are crying in their beer.

What to make of that? The majority of Americans and throngs of delighted citizens throughout the world are ignorant and gullible? The rest of the world is crazy and only townhallers sanely see things as they truly are?

Uh huh.

Oh well. This isn't the time for taunting or gloating...or mourning.

Look on the bright side. Scorn him or not, at least Obama will try to be everybody's president, including townhallers. Bush never even made the pretense of considering anyone outside Rove's 50-percent-plus-onevote coalition.

The bleak neo-con nightmare is finally over. Soon lots of us who haven't had one for eight years will have a president once again.

Obamas Victory
Now, is the time for "intellegent" Republicans to start formulating real effective strategies against the upcoming rape of America. Our real challenge will be to take on the big government propaganda educational establishment. One of our real enemies of the people is the so called "teachers union". We also have the biased liberal media to discredit. The enemy has taken over our education, communication, and now our government. Yes it is time to fight. Being active is how we will fight. If we do not organize we will lose again and again. Stop soliciting for money, and start soliciting for participation and involvement. If no one shows up for a protest then the real issues becomes trivialialized.

Trolls are still here?

Hey guys, your clever farud won. Go back to the lib sites.

We need to plan our future, and your comments are a distraction (once again).

That includes you JMO51.

Materialism
Have we become so matrialistic, so self absorbed, that we refuse to see the writing on he wall?
How sad what we have become.

bad caption - bad history
bad caption - bad history
I have problems with your credibility.
Trade among and between peoples precedes written history.. Raising money for private ventures goes back to at least the 11th century. In 1602, the Dutch East India Company issued the first shares on the Amsterdam Stock Exchange. It was the first company to issue stocks and bonds. Adam Smith knows this, why dont you? Oh the inconvenient facts!
Though there are too many who dont pay FEDERAL taxes, both high and low income, one cannot live without paying taxes in this country. So everyone pays taxes who consumes. If you are alive you consume.
We are the most taxed, but not because of the FED income taxes but the state sales, utility- which includes water, electric, gas, sewage and so forth. Also personal property, and gasoline. Add it up.
Where you aware that in 1969 a tax was applied to telephone service for everyone to pay for the war in Viet Nam? It is still there. Lets start with that one. Or is it still there because we have yet to finish paying for that war?
No new taxes is just a slogan that did not prevail yesterday. What we require is an elimination of taxes and the reduction in rates. Mr. Hall put your soft fingers to work on that one.

This guy was a teacher?
What a simpleton.

Is it really supposed to be a shock that taxes have costs?

Obama is not a socialist because he does not believe in the principles of socialism, certainly not the communism of Marx but not even the democratic socialism of Rousseau. A teacher that has dumbed down the notion of socialism to the point that it encompasses moving the top tax rate to 38.5% really shouldn't be teaching. One needs a bit more sophistication than that.

Businesses that are taxed pass what they can to consumers (something that is limited depending on what kind of tax it is) or they have lower profits. The idea that every company that has lower profits goes out of business is idiocy. Was the strength of Reagan as a communicator his ability to say things so simpleminded that they were understandable and false?

Perry White
"Oh well. This isn't the time for taunting or gloating...or mourning."

...he says as he proceeds to gloat.

Why
do so many of you whine about the results and quote scripture to sooth your anguish?

You've seen it coming and didn't do anything to stop it or even slow it down.

Let's look at where you have been over the past years:

You continue to watch the liberal media such as MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, etc.

You continue to support companies who advertise on those channels.

You continue to support liberal newspapers and magazines.

You continue to support companies who advertise in those newspapers and magazines.

You continue to send your children to colleges and universities that harbor marxist/communist professors.

You fail to educate your children in basic history, civics, English or, more importantly, patriotism.

You are so full of your righteousness that you can't bring yourself to vote for a conservative that doesn't meet every single one of your criteria - leaving the office to the liberal.

I could go on and on, but I believe you get my point. Nothing is going to happen to reverse the liberal onslaught until we get off our collective butts and do something about it other than complain and quote scripture.

I am a 20-year retired, 100% disabled combat related veteran who is not accustomed to quitting. I will continue to work to keep our country the great nation it has always been.

But EVERY conservative-minded person is going to have to work at it to combat the power of the Pelosi/Reid/Obama (and soon to be) Supreme Court majorities.

Get serious about it folks, THIS IS NOT A DRILL! This is the real thing.


No$
"We are the most taxed"

I have no idea where you ever got this idea, but you aren't even close in this statement.