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Friday, October 27, 2006
William F. Buckley :: Townhall.com Columnist
Gay impasse
by William F. Buckley
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The New Jersey court has simply brought the gay marriage issue one step forward in its ineluctable march to the Supreme Court -- or to a constitutional amendment.

The New Jersey majority did a very cool thing politically. It reasoned as follows:

(l) If people are gay, they do not therefore forfeit rights, never mind that these rights were specifically written for non-gays.

(2) Therefore, we hereby promulgate the right of marriage for New Jersey gays. Same-sex unions are, effective immediately, to have the identical rights and privileges that are given by New Jersey to man-woman unions, including tax benefits.

(3) However, we acknowledge that the word "marriage" attaches by tradition to unions between members of different sexes. That tradition has been respected by the legislature, and therefore the legislature should have the responsibility of remedying the extant disparity. We cede to the legislature 180 days in which to engage this issue. After that, the question may very well come back to the courts to settle.

There is a ton of interventionist mischief in this ruling. But begin at the beginning.

Legislatures are entitled to concern themselves with social questions. At what age should people be permitted to vote? At what age to claim old-age benefits?

Now, decisions on such questions as these get modified if the petitioner can point to illegal discrimination by lawmakers, either intentional or unintentional. The central question raised three years ago in Massachusetts and adjudicated by the courts had to do with discrimination against gays.

Social policy throughout the United States has evolved from the conviction that unions between men and women bring forth welcome fruits, primarily the children who become citizen-successors and provide for the continuation of the state. In terms of civil status, such a union is -- and is called -- marriage. A marriage has derivative rights and responsibilities, including child care.

The gay lobby seeks to neutralize those special inducements to marriage. But something more than equivalent tax accommodations is sought. The lobby wishes that unions between gays be treated under the law as "marriages." It is not absolutely plain whether what is being sought is much more than a terminological promotion, from "union" to "marriage." If gay unions succeed in acquiring such rights as married couples now have, then they will be acquiring not only rights but responsibilities, including responsibilities toward their partners.

It is not difficult to divorce nowadays, for instance, but it is harder to do than simply to file a change of address, whereas members of gay unions at present can separate without recourse to law. It will require a generation of adjustments, assuming that the courts in Massachusetts and New Jersey prevail in this, to know exactly what will be won or lost. But the commotion at the moment is over the nominal point: Can the courts pronounce that a marriage can be entered into by members of the same sex?

It was immediately understood, after the 2003 ruling of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court in Goodridge v. Department of Public Health, that a solution embodying the popular will may need to be achieved through a constitutional amendment. The same arguments that prevailed early in the week in New Jersey will certainly be used in arguing before the Supreme Court. And that court is certain to confront, sometime soon ahead, the question whether individual rights extend to the right of gay persons to contract a "marriage" as defined by law and common practice.

President Bush has acknowledged the implications of the New Jersey ruling, and the fever that built up three years ago is reignited. There are men and women in America who have no designs to limit the movements of gay Americans, but who believe that notwithstanding this, there are sanctuaries that are naturally, and organically, reserved for traditional arrangements between men and women. There is something ranging between innocent frustration and raw fury over the proposition that a society of equal rights is required to disregard those characteristics that make up a married couple. Mr. Bush may elect to launch a movement for a clarification of the Constitution.

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William F. Buckley, Jr. is editor-at-large of National Review, the prolific author of Miles Gone By: A Literary Autobiography.

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Oy Vay!
As a group, since like 3 or 4 columnists today wrote about this, we should decide on one column to discuss it at so we don't all have to keep reading the same posts and posting the same answers.

Marriage "Rights."
Yes, I agree with BrianR. And so far, for my own individual desires, everybody has it all wrong. Marriage should come under the Department of Commerce, or something like that. A marriage should be something a citizen owns, like a house or a business.

For instance, I had three marriages. They cost me two houses and one-and-a-half fortunes. I should have been able to sell any one of these marriages to whomever I please. That way, gay people, or anything else could have purchased my marriages. Also, eventually we could bundle marriages into hedge funds and trade them around on the open market. After all, lawyers have long enough enjoyed the business of marriges; it is time to let the financial community get a fair share.

more evidence
that rust never sleeps.

(with apologies to BrianR)

Discrimination? Or lavished attention
If you have noticed since the movement of this mess has esculated, whether gays are discriminated against, I have felt that the natural mother and father have been steadily losing their rights to protect their young, their children. What give adults the right to talk about sex, any sex in schools, much less devaint sex, as young as kindergarden, the images in books of a king and king kissing and getting married. I don't beleive that is protecting parents rights to raise up and rear children in morals, values, principals and self discipline. Aside of the fact that it is not natural nor normal. Take that girl, the lesbian that just killed a woman on the road, because she wanted to have sex with another girl, and that girl refused her. If we had better parenting skills and brought children up better this could all be avoided. But the schools and society today insist that we don't need all the values that make a family truely work. God must look down on this world and I am sure His heart is broken. When we lashvish attention on ones and they can ignore all the rules and requirements that it takes to instill values and all the other nessecary instruction and principals in takes to be truely a good person. That is what the consitution was basically designed for, to keep certain practices that work for the natural human family. Today they attempt to put young children on as many drugs as it takes to replace the natural need of the parents and the very respectful parental role. A Father and a mother, A true value system. We are so confused by all this intellectual and sofisticated soceity, that the very basic and natural course of life takes a back seat, or is totally of The CHARTS. CAll me a fool if it is So Much Fun. But at least I am a real nice person whom cares for the Children and My God and would not hurt children. As I see it today adults have needs that were not met and now the children are paying dearly.

The Institution of Marriage
Where did marriage come from? Who instituted it? Who were the first married couple? What is the history of marriage? What importance is marriage to a society? Does marriage affect the economy? Why? Does marriage affect tax policy? Why?

Is marriage a religious or a state institution? Why?

Does it matter? Why?

GEM

ALL IN THE NAME ...
.....OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. It seems there is an awful lot of bemoaning this "movement" for same sex marriage. In reality we should be bemoaning all the PC actions that have brought us to the point where we are even discussing this subject let alone considering the legality of it. As it stands right now it is illegal in all 50 states and the D of C. But wait, you say, Massachusetts and New Jersey just made it legal. Wrong, courts DO NOT make law!!! Legislatures MAKE law, courts INTERPRET law.
This is where our concern should be -- the domineering of the courts over the legislatures and executives. We as a society have allowed all this PC garbage to emerge as our guiding light. This is just wrong because we have an original guiding light upon which we based all of our legal infrastructure (and it has been going downhill thanks to liberal thought ever since).
We must fight this issue with all vigor because if we lose this we will lose all. This is not a slippery slope, this is a cliff.
BTW, Donalddd since marriage is BOTH a legal and God blessed arrangement, both JP's etc. and Ministers have been licensed by the various states to perform the marriage ceremony. It is not, as you intend to imply a mixing of church and state (a whole different discussion for another time).

I suppose if you are not into natural
I suppose if you are not into natural, if cloning becomes legal, then if gays cannot gain access to naturally born children, they can always clone their offspring.

pitbull
Your prediction is wise. Assuming that those eight states pass their amendments to define the family, that'll be nine short of the number needed to amend the federal constitution to define the family.

And before I hear, "it's a state issue" - no, after that it probably wouldn't be.

Consider, if you will ……
….. where the concept of marriage is really headed.
Buckley, and others writing on the subject, notes that “A marriage has derivative rights and responsibilities, including child care.”
I am one of those who consider the responsibility of child care and providing family structure to be the primary reason for marriage. With the exception of spousal insurance and survivor benefits, the derivative rights have been negated, one by one, (think co-habitation, simple fornication, etc) over the past half-century. I do not mourn the passing of those restrictions as my second ‘wife’ and I have been enjoying our life together for the 20 plus years since our respective divorces - without benefit of a marriage ceremony. As far as the IRS is concerned, we remain single. The only inconvenience is suffered by our grown children and their children when attempting to introduce or address their ‘extra’ parents or grandparents.
Perhaps for different reasoning, a growing segment of our population eschews marriage these days – witness the steady rise in the percentage of illegitimate births. That is clear indication that many people (OK, mostly fathers) are abrogating that familial responsibility to the state through AFDC and similar programs.
In the meantime, same sex couples are clamoring to get ‘married’ even though the probability of them ever incurring familial responsibilities is essentially nil.
Carried to its seemingly logical conclusion, only the gays will be constrained by the limits imposed by marriage while the straights (the men anyway) will be free to enjoy the freedom of casual temporary liaisons formerly thought of as the province of homosexuality.
Our world is going mad!

re: Some of the above posts
Me me me! This is how "I" want the world to be. This is how "I" want things to work. Marriage "should" be this and "shouldn't" be that. While it's fine to discuss how you "want" things to be in "your" world it has nothing to do with the real world and nothing to do with intelligently discussing an issue or defending a viewpoint in order to sway opinions and resolve disagreement. The worst "I want" desires are those that disregard the consequences of ignoring human nature because someone wishes a different reality.

What is Man??
Man is defined by his ability to procreate, Now I am not saying if a man cannot procreate he is not a man. But natural ablitity of man is with this purpose. That is why a man should not lie with a man, it is against the natural law, defining man.

Exactly-Right on Target
southerner-

Your two cents is worth a million and more!!!! Amen!!!! God Bless your true sense, may it bring you billions.

Mountain Rose /hntr admin

I have a pretty good idea what the long term effect on these children will be.
Ask Mountain Rose what these perverted views on social enineeering do'

(They create Conservatives)!
When a child see's the damage of these "Programs"
They never forget,and rebel against them.
I would bet most Conservatives here have similar expierences of Social enginering.
I coppied my post from:
"Media Downplay New Jersey’s Gay Marriage Ruling as Election Day Approaches
By Robert Knight"
I agree with BrianR,to post here,rather than be redundant.

Bipsy: Hey!
Are you saying I'm rusty?

Only a little out of practice.

re: Southerner
"What America has lost is a sense of Morality!"

Similar but different: I think what's missing is shame. Nobody feels ashamed of doing anything anymore and it has become unacceptable to shame anyone else for their behavior, no matter what it is. I've found shame to be a terrific tool when I'm trying to provide guidance to my children: "How would you feel about doing that if grandpa was sitting across the table from you?"

It never ceases to amaze . . .
me! All this arguing over "gay rights".

New Jersey, the same state that had a "Gay American" (LOL) as their malfeasant governor, now has their Supreme (sic) Court (sic) giving deadlines to the state legislature.

Can N.J. be any more of a joke? It's far surpassed Cleveland and is going for all the marbles (probably because the Garden State has lost theirs).

Only Donalld could defend New Jersey's ruling, but, hey, that's what he gets paid to do.

Donaldd
Pit bull's reference to the suicide rate being higher amongst gays,is valid,tho it is not the fact of being gay that drives them to the end result,rather the result of a damaged childhood.
Just ask Celtic Dragon next time he posts.
This is why we need to return to some asembelence of Morals,in regards to marriage,it's all about our future' The Children!

I remember watching SanFrisco turn a blind eye to this scourge in the 60s,"it is none of my buss"
or,what we do in private'
They also said," we just want to be left alone"
Wer' not hurting anyone,
Well'look at the results in not hurting anyone,this was a Pandoras box of Social engineering.
Political correctness and the loss of Shame in our soceity.
Where does it end?
Donald'the latter paragraph was not directed toward you,I just get worked up over this issue.

Donaldd
Oh Donald' I disagree,we have less Morality than 100 yrs. ago.
We were'nt discusing "Gay Marriage" 100 yrs. ago or special rights for individuals,we all had the same rights back then.

Why just one man and one woman?
Legal marriage institutionalizes the only time-tested stable framework for creating and raising well adjusted, future contributing replacement members of society: the enduring, solemn union between one man and one woman.

It’s not about equality or freedom of choice. It’s not even really about religion. It is about our individual and collective responsibilities, in so much as possible, to respect the rights of each and every child to be raised within his or her natural, biological family. It’s about the self preservation and perpetuation of civil society.

Switch on the light of this simple idea and one sees clearly the reason why legal marriage is primarily a civil contract between the couple and the state. It shows us why that which generally encourages the formation and maintenance of natural families, even if children are not always involved, is to be respected and protected. Marriage between an individual man and woman, even if older or childless, is an exemplary part of the general framework that produces and nurtures our children. Marriage between a man and a man or a woman and a woman does not fit into this structure and, thus, can only weaken it. Society has no obligation to enter into a contract from which it gains nothing.

As destructive as legitimizing gay marriage most certainly would be, the much greater, much more real threat to our children and the institution of marriage is our government’s complicity in the legal trivialization of the sanctity of marriage through capitulation to the feminist agenda of no fault, female friendly divorce. This is the insidious disease that really strikes at the heart of marriage. The current marriage amendment is just a band-aid on a gay little pimple in comparison.


re re: Southerner/shame
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you 100%. Maybe I didn't word it well. How about this:

Immorality is a behavior (of people, not dogs ;-). Feeling shame (or guilt) used to be a consequence of that behavior. We still have immoral behavior but we no longer have the consequence.

Donaldd
Typical liberal tactic'When cornered,change topic's,
Please stay on topic.

What is Traditional Marriage?
The institutions of marriage was originally and primarily the exchange of property from one family to another as well as creating what lawyers and cultural anthropologist would refer to as affinity. It had nothing to do with love, romance and only vaguely had anything to do with propagation of the species.

Donaldd Showing ankles?
Personally I love the long sundress on a lady,it is my favorite look,sexy yet feminine.
you spoke of showing ankels,was to be called a sl-ut,well with the debauchry that took place in the bay area in 1800s maybe they new what was asociated with such behavior.

San Francisco in the mid-1800s,the Barbary Coast was born. the port area became the center of sex, violence, hard drinking and gambling by rough-and-tumble seamen and would-be prospectors hoping to cash in by other than legal means. The notorious Barbary Coast was the home of Killer's Corner (Jackson & Kearny), Deadman's Alley,so aptly named.
And yes'prostituion,more than ankels showing.
Maybe they were on to something' Shame!

Donald LOL
Are you revealing something about yourself?

You Wrote:"Many or most boys raised on farms and ranches have had or are having sex with animals as teens."
I can't imagine who or how they came to this conclusion as fact'
Did they take a poll?
I can only imagine it must have been a gay group,quizing eachother.

Mountain Rose
Ilove it what is reality,
To a lib?
What ever they can force the rest of the populace to endure!

Donaldd
I guess Im just old fashioned that way,I love to leave a little to imagination.

HEY PEOPLE...
...IGNORE DDDDonalllddd and get back on topic. We've all (at least the sane all) have agreed that gay activity is wrong, ir-responsible, deviant, perverted, immoral, etc., etc., etc. My impression of Mr. Buckley's editorial is that the New Jersey "Supreme Court" has ordered the New Jersey Legislature to make a law or they (the court) will make the law. This is wrong, ir-responsible, deviant, perverted, immoral, etc., etc., etc behavior on the "court's" part. This is what we must fight and win! If we defeat the "COURTS'" efforts at asserting their dominance in NJ we can move ahead at other locations (most notably the U.S. Supreme Court) by keeping repub's in power so we can get the right people on the courts. Why? Because normal people (republicans) try to get decent legislation passed and it is tied up in the courts forever.
STAY ON TOPIC!!!!!!!!!

pitbull
You cracked me up!
Thanx

The Answer?
Mountain Rose,

What is reality?
What is the sound of one hand clapping?
Why did the chicken cross the road?
When is a door not a door (when its ajar)
If a tree fell in the forest and no one was there, would it still have termites?

Wait, wait.....I think I know the answer to one of these!
The sound of one hand clapping is the resonance resulting from someone slapping some sense into yours and pitbull’s ignorant faces.
Am I close?

Donaldd
The Black Cherokee
Do you believe in equal rights under the Constitution?

Or are some people less equal than others?

You've piqued my curiosity.
Why dis you ask such a question?

Come out, come out pitbull
I do believe pitbull protests too much...manly this, manly that.
Perhaps there’s something he’s not telling us or even admitting to himself?
Are you, in fact, a self-hating catamite?
This would explain a great deal.

Traditional Marriage
Mountain Rose,

Home corrections IS traditional marriage!
Now get off the internet and go make your old man a sandwich.

EQUALITY...
...in the Declaration of Independence is a manifest right from God that in all ways all men (manly or otherwise) and women (flowered or deflowered) were created (by God) to be equal in His eyes because, although sinners, they are declared equally righteous through Jesus sacrifice to pay for those same sins. An obvious reference to God by the founding fathers. Further, all men and women are born in this country with equal opportunity to advance in our society -- this time a reference to a classless society. To that end it does NOT mean that others get special rights -- i.e. in this discussion special privileges for same sex marriage (marriage which BTW was defined by God for man and woman who when married would leave their fathers and mothers and become one flesh (not possible for two "burning branches"). That last part defining marriage was especially for Dddonnnnalllddddd since I believe he questioned who defined marriage way back in one of his posts.
Soooooo, the answer is YES, I believe in equality, WHEN IN CONTEXT.

PBR
The Beer?
That's Mountain Rose's manly man's problem.
But I will suggest, for her own busted lips sake, make it a PBR!

You guys
I'll check back later,it is a beautiful day here in northern CA.
And I don't want to miss it.

ALL CAPS
Wow...Mountain Rose or should I say Helen Ready.
Good thing you know when lunch time is, huh?
I DO BELIEVE YOU AND PITBULL ARE DEVELOPING A CRUSH ON ME.

pitbull
LOL!

To thy'n own self be true
The more violent you get the more I'm sure you're in the closet.
Come out pitbull...only closed minded bigots will think less of you.

Afraid of Liberty
Donald,
People like Mountain Rose, pitbull and those of similar ilk need and desperately want to told what to do, how and when to do it.
They secretly hope for a Big Brother or in pitbull’s case a Big Daddy to take control and are petrified that some of us don’t want or need to give up our liberties to undeserving and unqualified authority figures.

For those of you who are foaming
at the mouth with apoplexy at the thought of "gay marriage", I'll just put this out here again. I'm still married to my wife...who I married legally as a male. I'm a woman now, AND I'M STILL MARRIED TO HER!!!! HA! None of you can do a thing about it! We are remaining together to raise our son and are still best friends. Y'know, so many of you backbiting, sanctimonious hypocrites go screaming that you can't stand it when GLBT people talk about, well, anything at all. Like marriage, or adoption, or laws to protect our kids in school from bullies. Yet YOU keep shoving YOUR opinions IN OUR FACES, and act like we aren't supposed to respond. So actually, my marriage is none of your business...but you keep trying to make it your business. What a whiney bunch of pathetic non-entities.

Fever?
Mountain Rose,
"I'm a Woman, W.O.M.A.N."..."I Am Woman" same crap!
How about N.W.A.'s "B@#%h Better Have My Money" because we all know that at the end of the day MONEY = EQUALITY.

Wrong again DDDDonnallldddd.....
...the marriage ceremony has always been religious, but was usurped by government -- probably to make a buck on the license originally, but also to define governmental dispensations to individuals and married couples as in income taxes, etc. When the government (usurped) they took (by default) the Christian definition of marriage.
That said, even that was done by legislation, not by the courts which is the main thrust of this discussion. Courts don't grant rights, they, in fact, don't grant anything. They (the courts) have only one purpose and that purpose is to determine if a legislatively written law is constitutional. PERIOD.

Pitbull
The nature of the relationship changes, as you might expect. Why does anybody have to "act" like a husband? The only thing that I might still retain male authority on is defending the family and knowing how to use firearms. Weapons definately should never have been a male majority subject, but women continue to neglect that area.

Fever?
Mountain Rose,
"I'm a Woman, W.O.M.A.N."..."I Am Woman" same crap!
How about N.W.A.'s "B@#%h Better Have My Money" because we all know that at the end of the day MONEY = EQUALITY.

Pitbull
"I have NO sympathy for someone who picks a fight and then gets their collective A$ses kicked verbally and figuratively - just remember - YOU started it and we will certainly finish it"



I certainly intend to fight...figuratively as always, and literally if I must. If you are threatening harm to people like me (as that blowhard "southerner" keeps spouting off) then realize that we aren't all easy game. I shoot back. Repeatedly.

Lame dogs can't fight
pitbull, oh poor pitbull I’m sorry if I’ve hurt your delicate feelings but you whinge like a little girl.
You’re too much of an ignoramus to differentiate a commie from the glory holes you visit to satisfy your manly desires.
Besides I not sure if you’re challenging me to a fight or something more intimate.
I hate to disappoint you but you’ll get neither.

Mountain Rose
We need music to that! ;-D

The GOOD NEWS
The good news is all the left over hippies and anti-establishment cry babies of the 60"s sexual revolution whose mantra was "You can't trust anyone over 30" are way past that age now and on their out of politics for good soon. More good news-many of the children of these old hippies are complete opposites of their parents politically. VOTE PRO-Family, CHOOSE LIFE, and don't be bullied into accepting something in life because as these old-heads used to say "If it feels good-Do it".

The Republican Party is NOT Conservative

The heart of the matter--
'Thinkwell' got it exactly right! I certainly agree with his (or her) post of 12:44 p.m., and especially appreciate it (as a married woman who has not been blessed to bear children--although we have done some foster care).

"It’s not about equality or freedom of choice. It’s not even really about religion. It is about our individual and collective responsibilities, in so much as possible, to respect the rights of each and every child to be raised within his or her natural, biological family. It’s about the self preservation and perpetuation of civil society.

Switch on the light of this simple idea and one sees clearly the reason why legal marriage is primarily a civil contract between the couple and the state. It shows us why that which generally encourages the formation and maintenance of natural families, even if children are not always involved, is to be respected and protected. Marriage between an individual man and woman, even if older or childless, is an exemplary part of the general framework that produces and nurtures our children. Marriage between a man and a man or a woman and a woman does not fit into this structure and, thus, can only weaken it. Society has no obligation to enter into a contract from which it gains nothing."

Wow!
I felt my IQ draining away just reading these posts.

Must leave!

Save brain!

Liberty LOL
Checked out your link,I really could'nt endure reading it all,just skimed through it.
You do realize were a capitalist soceity,When is the last time you worked for a poor guy?
The rich contribute to society,they create the job's that makes this country the strongest nation in human history.
I recomend if you prefer a socialist nation'Cuba might take you.
Or maybe North Korea..maybe Russia.
Point being,Just leave!
Your drivel tires me.

So much time wasted
There has been so much time wasted on a virtual non-issue when the world is on the brink of dangerous nuclear confrontations. Men who identify themselves as Gay are about 2 percent of the population and women less than 1 percent. Those are the ones would push for marriage even if there are more who practice homosexuality so this is insignificant in the light of major issues around the world and the preoccupation with such issues threatens to deadlock Congress or steer it away from much more pressing concerns. These are the type of emotional issues that politican like to get people all bent out of shape over while such things as war and peace, the economy, energy, the deplorable condition of our infrastructure, health care, the economy, the education crisis, rampant cheating by students, and real moral issues like the Enron scandal are not addressed.

Look what I missed
while out harvesting deer for my family.
donaldd... you are a fruitcake! (And not a manly fruitcake at that.)

BrianR
HAHA! I knew my 61 IQ points were smarter than uuuuuu!

Vegetarian
Indian word for lousy hunter...one of my favorite bumper stickers.

Gotta give it to you Pitbull, you are in rare form today. These are almost as good as the ack Aaaccccckkkkk YAACCCCKKKKK posts from the other day.

Although
Tanabear has eclipsed you for the funniest post of all time...

"Wrong, if Hani Hanjour hit the Pentagon, then he was clearly capable of landing an airplane. He was flying at 530MPH and he was not more than 6 feet off the ground. If he can do this, then landing is no problem for him. You believe way to much neo-con propaganda regarding 9/11."

and later...

"Wrong, Hani was level to the ground when he hit the Pentagon. He did not dive into the ground or on to the top of the Pentagon. If someone can fly at 530MPH at only 6 feet above the ground, and be level to the ground, and never scrape the Pentagon lawn, then this person is clearly capable of landing an airplane."

I cried for ten minutes just thinking about the mental image of a person actually believing this stuff as it was typed.

Insignificant
ProfGene,

I hardly call the fact that the gays are receiving marriage certificates, and have already change the meaning of marriage to include a circus. With the license already stating party A and party B, reduces A Man and A Woman, A Husband And A Wifem, to become now what they consider any thing can get married, make no mistake about it the transgenders, bi-sexuals and all the other deviants now have a legal blessing. Also the poligimist and the pedofiles are currently fighting for this privledge. Aside of all these facts the government and the drugs companies have worked very hard to make sure our children receive plenty of unneccesary drugs, not even trying to get to the child's real medical condition. They are currently planning to put kid's as young a three yrs. old on drugs for A.D.D. and other what I see as not really the child's health problem, just anthor title to give the impression the drug is needed. I really beleive they will prositute children so the government can make dollars promoting homosexuality. They will put kids on drugs to make $$$ hand over fists. I don't know why our children have very little value anymore, but if they ever did a study to find out what all these drugs over the past 50 yrs. have done to people in general, I would not be surpise to find peoples minds do not react normally anymore.

Truth Be Told
When man learns a distaste for woman, Man suddenly becomes attractive, thus showing his manly powers, and learns to love himself. In fact, in this great love for himself, he convinces himself and another man, that they are made for each other. Then starts the very difficult task of going through the masses of men to discover their very speical interest. How can they make their deviant interest seem real? Seem plauseable? and sane? Then the disease strikes, but man knows best, they can lick this minor affliction, because after all this is just a minor setback, so they learn to live with the sickness, it becomes them, overtaking their very bodies and minds. Convinced they can conqueer their disabilities. For Man, father knows best and they are eqquipped to teach their offspring. Woman is convinced that these men deserve each other and decide Whats Good For The Goose Is Good For The Gander.

Reaction to the idea of gay marriage
What I have trouble understanding, in a world where, among many other things, people are dying of hunger, American soldiers being killed by IED's et al, North Korea is setting off nuclear bombs while its people starve, global warming is melting the ice caps, etc. etc. etc., someone, anyone could summon up - and I am truly quoting here - "RAW FURY" over two men or two women wanting to (and I can't believe the insignificance of what I am about to state) GET MARRIED.

And these are the same people who can call up from their beings RAW FURY about doing research on embryos - which would otherwise be thrown in the garbage?

I ask myself seriously: What has happened to the sanity, the reason, the judgment of a large segment of the population?

Why aren't you complaining about the billions being spent on the war in Iraq? About the good young lives being sacrificed at the altar of neo conservatism? About the people in the country who can't afford health care? And on and on with the injustices ...

But instead, RAW FURY ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE?

Please!

All this talk of homosexual behavior
is going to make it much easier for middle east extremists to attract more terrorists. Right?

Perhaps we should leave Iraq, and outlaw homosexuality.

Just a thought...

Some Republican Go Too Far
http://www.controlcongress.com

I think that “pro–life with no exceptions” is not a good idea, and it’s hurting Republicans. I lived in South Dakota and this did not play well with my Republican friends. I also think the “no stem cell research” argument is not playing well, especially coming from Rush.

You cannot argue that stem cell research is morally wrong and in vitro fertilization is ok. It makes no logical sense. How can you say it is ok to disregard eggs as long as we are making babies, but it’s not ok to use those very same eggs for research to save people.

The mean spirited gay bashing is also not playing well. I am not for gay marriage, but why shouldn’t gay people have legal rights like civil unions? I was shocked at the mean spirited comments directed at Karen Handel just for talking to gay constituents during the recent election cycle.

I do not agree with the politically-correct porhibition against mentioning God in public, and most Americans agree. Yet, to not say certain Republicans are not crossing the line on comments about issues like abortion, stem cell…. is just not being realistic.


Outlaw Homosexuality
not just gay marriage but Ban Gay Love. If two women or two men profess to love each other, let's execute them.
The mullahs of Islam would support us; they do it routinely in Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Howdy:-)
All I can say is this::::
The US as a nation can; bend over, tuck its' head between its' knees and kiss its' butt goodbye, cause Father God ain't gonna put up with this nonsense very much longer..He is slow to anger, and swift to forgive, but from where I am sitting there just isn't much repentance going on here, and as long as this nation continues to allow the homosexual/transexual lifestyle to be stuffed in His face, He is just going to get more and more angry..
I don't know about the rest of you,,but my idea of a nice place to live is definitely not in the middle of a nation wide disaster zone..Selah
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