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Saturday, September 01, 2007
Wayne Winegarden :: Townhall.com Columnist
Cap & Trade Regulations Will Create an Energy Supply Shock
by Wayne Winegarden
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Today Corporate Social Responsibility is synonymous with environmental responsibility. Environmental responsibility, of course, means that a company accepts that global warming is occurring; man (particularly modern business) is the primary reason why global warming is occurring; the consequences of global warming will be disastrous for planet Earth; and consequently, businesses should be willing to sacrifice anything in the name of environmental responsibility.

From this perspective, the cap & trade regulations that Congress will be considering this Fall are a small price to pay to repent for our past environmental sins.

Before we accept our environmental flagellation, it is worth wondering just how painful the experience will be. If the pain is too high, perhaps we should consider other alternatives. Fossil fuels (oil, coal and natural gas) provide 86 percent of our current energy needs. According to the Department of Energy’s Energy Information Administration, it is not currently feasible for the alternative energy sources to significantly expand their energy contribution sufficiently in the near-term to substitute for current energy from fossil fuels. This implies that cap & trade regulations will effectively become an energy production cap – or an energy supply shock – at least in the near term.

It is not necessary to forecast the impacts that an energy supply shock will have on the U.S. economy. The U.S. economy has endured several supply-induced energy crises over the last 40 years. These have included energy supply shocks in 1974-75; 1979-81; and 1990-91; all three resulting from an "energy shock" or supply-disruption caused by Middle East tensions. These real world examples clearly illustrate that supply-induced energy shocks have adverse economic impacts.

Starting with the 1974-75 oil supply shock, oil prices increased dramatically during 1974-75 as a direct result of an interdiction in the oil supply initiated by OPEC countries. OPEC’s actions reduced total world oil supply significantly, and the price of oil rose as a result of the deprivation of oil supply. From trough to peak, total oil prices rose by over 134 percent, which had a devastating impact on the U.S. economy. The recession that followed the 1974-75 oil price shock cause the U.S. economy to shrink by 2.7 percent and the unemployment rate to increase by 3.9 percentage points. The stock market (measured by the performance of the Dow Jones Industrial Average) fell by over 35 percent from its highest daily close to its lowest daily close.

The story is exactly the same following the 1979-81 price shock, which reflected another Mid-East-related interdiction in supply as well as U.S. wellhead price controls, excess profits taxes on oil companies, and gas rationing. Following this energy supply shock, the price of oil again rose (by over 117 percent), the stock market weakened, the economy faltered (declining nearly 2.2 percent), and unemployment surged (increasing 2.2 percentage points). While by no means the sole cause of the U.S. recession of 1981-82, the high price of oil was a major contributor.

When Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, the U.S. responded with "Desert Storm." Again, oil supplies were greatly reduced, causing a supply-induced energy shortage once again. Oil prices rose and the world experienced an economic slowdown. The culprit was yet another Middle East-induced interdiction of supply that led to a collapse in the U.S. stock market and economy.

On average, the historical supply induced energy shocks increased the price of oil by over 113 percent, shrank the economy by over 2 percent, increased the unemployment rate by 2.6 percentage points, and led to significant declines in the stock market. The moral of these stories is clear: a supply-induced energy shock is bad for the U.S. economy.

These lessons should not be lost with respect to the potential future energy supply shock Washington D.C. is currently considering. If the U.S. Congress imposes cap & trade regulations this Fall, then the country will face a significant energy supply shock. The evidence on the impacts from past energy supply shocks on the economy is clear. Energy supply shocks lead to large increases in energy prices, reduce our welfare, and decrease employment. Due to the large economic pain that will result, cap & trade advocates (especially those businesses attempting to be socially responsible) should reconsider the wisdom of their penance.

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Wayne H. Winegarden Ph.D. is a partner in the firm Arduin, Laffer & Moore Econometrics.

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energy policies of the 70ties
They are trying to create poor people who will need their help, when enough people are starving which will mean no more weight crisis to harp about more criminals roaming the street just like communist like it total control devastation
just like the old days, create chaos and the people will look for a savior to help and the people will not know what hit them, surely they will blame the disparity on the wealthy who created the jobs while congress takes them away along with the workers property via tax liens.

The Government has never built a refrigerator,washing machine,toaster,dvd or computer etc. they have never ever provided anything but heartache,B.S.,and obstacles.
never dug one hole to put telephone,nor electric on nor planted any crop just free loaded off the workers they burden down.

they do make some nice speeches though too con or grift us.

Inflation is not supply restriction

Sam

He never mentioned inflation. Rising prices are not limited to inflation. The article suggests that manipulating supply also impacts price.

Global normality of warming and cooling
It is people like you with your wild theories and even worse suggestions for solution of an event that nature has caused that will kill this planet.

Keep your wild ideas to yourself and as the old saying goes, "Don't mess with Mother Nature." She has taken care of our planet for eons before scaremongers like you and Al Gore came along.

Global warming has happened before and it will happen again - AFTER we have had a global cooling period and more Al Gores and Wayne Winegardens come out of the woodwork with their misguided theories on to stop the cooling.

Don't do more damage to the planet and our economy by messing in areas where you shouldn't.

LEAVE IT ALONE.

Jerry McConnell
Hampton, NH

SCAM - CHEAT - FRAUD
Those are the code words for this farce.

Why is it that liberals cry so loud against corruption and then turn around an want laws that enhance the ability to be corrupt? Is it rank hypocrocy are just stupidity?

Wrong 1 - there is no human caused global warming
Wrong 2 - if the land temperature increases a degree or so (0.6C in the last 100 years) there is no big deal.
Wrong 3 - Cap and trade (if there is AGW) will not halt any increase and will create artificial winners and losers.

Everyone who supports this scam should be in jail.

CSR & POLITICS

.....The Corporations and Energy companies are buckling under to the pressure put on them by the politicians who are selling us out to special interest fringe groups ...

.....Alternatives to fossil fuels (Oil, natural gas & coal) are more expensive and less efficient ...so why would any sane person call for a change? ...The simple answer is ignorance on the part of the consumers and greed and personal gain on the part of the advocates of alternate fuels ...

.....Google "The Great Ethanol Boondoggle" to see how inefficient and destructive this hoax really is and who are the ones who will profit the most from this impending disaster .....COLOSSUS

Vic
So george bush and the National academies of sciences should be in jail?

abc123cba
As I said, everyone who supports it should be in jail. That includes you.

The Long View
...did anyone ever wonder why the US restricts access to known oil deposits? For example, offshore California, offshore the East Coast, and in parts of Alaska? The oil is there, in vast amounts. Vast. Furthermore, the oil still in the ground in the East Texas Field is unbelievable. Ever wonder why US oil companies just do not go after all that oil?

Could it be the long term plan is to let the Middle East wack-o's pump all their oil, as soon as possible? When they have no oil, they will have no money and no power. Sand never has been, and never will be all that valuable.

Could it be part of the long term plan to have the US consume as much energy as possible, with cars that get only 24 miles per gallon under CAFE rules, instead of 75 or so that we could achieve?

Economics are unstoppable. The Middle East has nothing to offer except their oil. The sooner we burn it all and they run out of oil, the better for the entire world.

I just bought a Hummer. Doing the patriotic thing. It gets about 8 miles to the gallon! I urge all Americans to do their part. Consume as much as you can. Your grandkids will thank you!




Meanwhile, back at the ranch...
Saw yet another poll of scientists the other day (you know, those people who are actually entitled to an opinion on this subject) and a clear majority of them still say that this "AGW" thing is a crock...


cap and trade regulations
The authors discusses the impacts on the economy of fluctuations in the price of oil. He should take a look at what impacts climate change is having on the planet. just google the drought in Australia for example. They are no longer debating what impact climate change will have on their economy they are experiencing it right now. They are moving into the 7th year of the worst drought the country has ever experienced since Europeans settled Australia. The government just shut down all irrigation to 40% of their farmers and are discussing moving the southern population of Australia to the northern wetter part of their country. Talk about costs to the economy!

Rep. Dingell of Michigan
recently introduced a bill which would significantly raise the taxes on gas in order to pay for the cost of global warning initiatives. The bill is going nowhere because politicians know the public doesn't really want to pay the cost. Most global warmning ideas are just rehtoric. This country runs on oil as the article points out. It is more than quit driving big cars in order to combat it if it exists. Europe where global warming is more fashionable has been unable to meet the Kyoto goals to which it signed. Shouldn't that be a lesson to us?

Let's face it
Until a grown up wrests control of the country from the enviros, we are headed for disaster. They truly seem to believe that the earth was made for them to play on, not to support us, and they are the chosen ones to play. The rest of us can pay.

Some more interesting
facts about what we are about to wreck our economy over.

http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

Funny Vic
I thought theres something about freedom of speech somewhere... Anyway. You show no evidence. Have you noticed townhall's shift recently. They've stopped denying AGW and moved onto the economics. (which is a step at least).
>
Cave bear... Can you produce the poll?

Water vapour
This is tweaking the facts a little bit. Water vapour insulates the earth yes. So does every gas in the atmosphere. On the moon the temp varies widely. Much more so than on earth. (by hundreds of degrees. Theres nothing to remove heat and cycle it. Lunar rovers often "die" due to the heat. When you increase this effect by a few percent you increase temp by a few degrees.

abc123cba
Yes, the 1st Amendment states that you can say anything you want and the federal gov can not prevent you from doing that and in some cases may not punish you afterwards. Fortunately this is NOT one of the cases where they are prevented from punishing you. Fraud is not protected speech.

In addition, the 1st Amendment does protect us from a State Sponsored religion. So all of you Druids who worship at the feet of Gaia must pay for your own religion.

Vic
I am gaining nothing from this. I'm just one layman persuading (or attempting 2) another (I assume) that the National academies of sciences of every G8 nation and the American chemical society and the American institute of physics are right about a scientific issue and you, an person untrained in science (I assume) are wrong. If that is fraud I stand guilty!
>
don't you think that its a little arrogant of you to say that all these groups are simply wrong and you are right when you have no training in climatology?

Our Own Chicken Little
chicaree

I am sick to death of the AGW hoax. Look at the costs/benefits of trying to spit into the wind. ADAPT, people. ADAPT. That is what humans do best. It's very Darwinian too!

Texn Engneer
"Could it be the long term plan is to let the Middle East wack-o's pump all their oil, as soon as possible? When they have no oil, they will have no money and no power."

Maybe, but I really don't think so. First, they're investing at least some profits elsewhere so they'll have a stable financial base later. Second, why wait? Generating other supply sources now would reduce their (the ME's) influence. Third, you really think DC politicos think further ahead than the next election?

The Hoax


Here it is folks,


Vic and Texn Engneer are correct in a lot of ways. Just because a "consensus" of Left-wing scientists are pushing an agenda with this "consensus" non sense does not make them right. abc123cba is using the old and tired consensus argument and ignoring the plethora of scientists who do not think .6 deg C is enough to shut down the economies of the western world. abc123cba honey, you would sound more intelligent if you would study some history for a change. Did you know the planet was A LOT warmer pre-13th century? England was growing wine grapes and the Vikings were crossing the North Atlantic in their glorified rowboats. Yes, The coastline was almost exactly the same as it is today. I do think that the ME oil producers wouls have FAR less political power once their oil is exhausted. I do think we need to put pressure on our gutless officials in DC to loosen the strangle hold on drilling NOW. They need to do what We The People want or go back to Podunk. That's all I have. Thanks for reading. I will be looking at responses. Have a great LB weekend.


Grumpy
As I read Texn's comment, a funny little hopeful/doubtful thing happened in the back of my mind.

You've put your finger right on it: "you really think DC politicos think further ahead than the next election?" No truer words were ever written. Their only concern is who to please in order to gain the most votes. Period.

Hummer

I think Texn Engneer has the right idea. We should drive whatever we want. The hell with lefties who want us to drive Yugos. I had to settle for a Wrangler but would love a Hummer if I could afford one.

mabush1
Maybe we could institute another government give-away and EVERYBODY could drive a Hummer!!! I'm all for that! Complete with gas credits for life at the pump! WHOO HOO! I wonder how long it would take to drain the wells in the ME?

;-)

mabush1
Then again, if we all drove Hummers imagine the parking situations! More money for infrastructure needed. Aw heck...there's always a down side to letting the government give us stuff.

climate change
90% of the world's scientists, that means US and the rest of the world climate scientist all agree that C02 is the culprit in the warming we are experiencing. These are trained by the same system that produced the scientists that put the robot rovers on Mars. Those guys are heros, while the climate scientists are called bozos.

Is there any other subject can you find 90% agreement about?


This column
comes on the heals of finding out my already exhorbitant energy cost are increasin 1.4%!

Texn Engineer
Bingo! He who has the most resources wins!

I wonder
if all the AGW fanatics caught the article how less than half of the scientific world agrees with AGW? Or are they just ignoring it because it doesn't suit their control agenda.

What's AL gonna do when this issue dies on the vine and it is dying?

The republican shuffle once again!
I find it amazing that the bobble heads have never realized that the Republican shuffle is always the same. I have watched it over the last 20 years. First they are against X, then they are studying X, then they mention that X might be happening or that their opponents have some good points, then they are all for X. In the space of 4 years it is always sell out, sell out, sell out!

GW Bush is well on the road to imposing carbon trading and taxes on us all as he has bought into the fraud of man made global warming. It is time to kick out the Texas Troglodyte troll and every republican like him!

If you are not a true conservative and not for valid science then you should never be elected! And until the republicrime party upholds this again, I will stay a constitution party member

Vic wake up
Vic you have not studied the issue significantly. A great article just came out showing the reasons why for AGW.

They supress the valid science so people like you will be confused. There are so many sceintists trained in climate science jumping the ship its unbeleivable.

But the pro-global warming socialists control the media, the science journals etc.

Go to

Friends of Science .org

and

science and publicpolicy .org

[delete spaces between letters in yrou browser]

and sign up for their emails. You will learn just how false this "consensus" is.


To all of you AGW Zealots
First to abc et al...

untrained in science - bad assumption.

Second for all the rest

We have posted links out the kazoo here for months showing all of the mistake and falacies that the AGW alarmists have used as evidence. We have also posted links to articles that exposed willful fraud that the AGW "scientists" have used as evidence.

And finally to say that the majority of climate scientists support AGW is a lie and doesn't have any bearing on true science anyway.

Texn Engneer
"The Middle East has nothing to offer except their oil. The sooner we burn it all and they run out of oil, the better for the entire world. "

By the time they are out of oil, they'll own half of the world, including our ports and highways (soon to be tollways, thanks to greedy, spendhappy politicians).

If you want to see high prices, just wait until an extra 100 million Mexicans become citizens. High prices, inflation, shortages of all sorts, deficits and bankruptcy await AMerica. Not only that, but we will be doing anything but conserving. Sorry Cheryl Crow, Mexicans won't use just one sheet of toilet paper, either.

Solar system warming
The entire solar system is warming, all of the planets and their moons.

After the last three ice ages, the earth managed to warm itself without the aid of SUV exhaust or coal-fired power plants. We are still in the third ice age, because we still have polar ice caps, and most of the earth's life, it has not had poiar ice caps. Most of N. Am.'s existence, it has been a desert and not a temperate zone. (See Cadallac Desert.)

The only thing GW laws will do is create recessions and depressions, deprive people of energy sources, and allow idiots like Al Gore to run their lifes.

That's what lefties do, invent problems, and then make money off the rehab. See drugs, see HIV/AIDS, see buying "carbon credits" from your own co--Al Gore's.

chicaree:
90% of scientists do not agree. Its less than half. And that includes scientists from unrelated fields who don't know any more about it than the average layman.

Once, 100% of all scientists agreed that the earth was flat.... Even though there was a much more complete consensus, it didn't make it so, as later data proved.

Look at the actual data, not the propaganda.

I wanted to check what
the planets were doing that have a significant portion of their atmosphere composed of Methane since the "greehouse people" (including the EPA)say that it is such a big greehouse gas and only second to CO2 in effect because of it's relatively low concentration in the atmosphere.

Oddly the "planet" with heavy methane is Titan which is Saturn's largest moon. Not only does it not cause "Titan Warming" but it causes cooling. Does this slow down the warmers? Of course not, they just invent a new term "anti-greenhouse effect".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(moon)

Hummers and sillyness


Mrs. Paddy,

I was not advocating at all for government gievaways for Hummers or anything. All I was saying was that whatever you drive will Not have an affect GW or anything else. We should be allowed to buy and Drive anything we want. It WIll Not have any effect on the infrastructure. Grow up.

But you will be taxed
The idea is to tax you for your energy use, because you are a bad person for using energy.

Once it was to make us all communal, but communism has been a spectaculat failure. So, now it's environmentalism and GW.

The enviros really don't want any energy sources. They oppose oil and coal for CO2 emissions and nuclear for nuclear waste. Our continental shelves are bursting with oil, but my nitwit senators pledge never to have it drilled off the NJ coast. Actually, it was tapped in the 50s by a series called Texas Towers. They all went down in storms, but tech. today puts huge platforms in the N. Sea that withstand 100-ft. storm waves. That tech. would be a great advantage in today's coastal seas.

The area off AL finally ok'd by Cong. and the Dept. of Int. is now being fought against by enviros because of whaling grounds the native AL's use in symbolic "native" hunts. They really don't want any sources of energy, altho' I don't see them walking to their big rallies and rock shows, which use more elec. than most houses in a decade.

The real prob. is if the sun is in a cycle of elevated radiation, we have no answer for it, and warming will progress on a cosmic scale. We can try activating volcanoes and increase pollution (heaven forefend) to cool the earth, but no one really knows what those activities' over-all effects would be.

Carbon Credits and Cap and Trade
These related schemes have two goals: first to expand government control over the smallest aspects of your life, and second, to generate profits for a small group of people pushing these schemes.

No matter how much CO2 emissions are reduced it will never be enough, resulting in ever increasing government regulation. And it will have no effect on climate.



Stan
Exactly

Cap and Trade who's property?
It seems to me that all this BS (Bureaucratic Scatology) about Cap and Trade is about taking something (CO2) that was everyone's right to use, declaring it to be theirs and selling it.

Under the 5th's Takings Clause, each any everyone who has their property taken needs to be compensated -- including their right to use their CO2 as they wish. Hmm, anyone getting any checks from selling their CO2?

Another way to look at this is extension of common trespassing laws. If you have some property and continue to allow other's to freely use it without restriction, it becomes public property. However, this doesn't mean that the public can then take that property and sell it to someone while prohibiting others to use it as they always have. Common law is this sort of property in the public domain remains in public domain and isn't open for sale just because it's in the public domain.

What's next? Cap and trade H20, 02, gravity?

In other words, any way one logically and legally looks at it, the whole idea of cap and trading C02 is just full of BS.

Someone asked yesterday why
we couldn't build more hydro generation. Here is an example of what is actually happening in the world of hydro. With the unconstitutional Federal Energy Regulatory Commission hydro energy will decrease.

http://www.thestate.com/news/story/161848.html

All Pain and No Gain
China has just become the largest carbon emitter. It currently plans to double its coal-fired electric power generation over the next decade. Therefore, even if the US eliminated all carbon emissions over the next decade, the total annual global CO2 emissions would be unchanged, assuming all other countries in the world held their carbon emission constant. Unfortunately, India also plans to double their coal-fueled generation over the next decade.

If AGW is a problem, it is a global problem. Therefore, anything less than a global solution is doomed to failure. If global climate change is truly an imminent catastrophe of monumental proportions; and, if global climate change is the result of anthropogenic carbon emissions; then, all global anthropogenic carbon emissions must cease immediately.

Since there is no way that all anthropogenic carbon emissions are going to cease any time soon, I guess "we're all gonna die"; or, at least, a lot of us are going to get our feet wet.

Yes, China and the last great
enviro-fraud, the ozone hole. We banned R-12 via legislation from a Democrat congress and it was approved by liberal RINO Bush 1. Within a year the largest smuggled items across the Mexican border was Chinese freon.

It has tempered now that most of the old cars are gone but we still have a lot of stifling regulations on the books about licensing and maintenance on air conditioning units, all which drive the price up.

And the ozone hole after all of this time and expense. Well it hasn't changed one iota. It seams that the freon wasn't the cause anyway.

This is what you get
... for having a government in the first place.

Government's too big when it imagines itself the keeper of the planet's average temperature. Paying these guys to think of new and better ways to inflict economic injury on us is starting to seem pretty... counterproductive.

dyerje
In this case, the "government" is the world government in waiting, headquartered at Turtle Bay.

After their highly successful dry run with the "oil for palaces, payoffs and payloads" program, they are now ready to manage us out of AGW. I can hardly wait!

Touj
Please name a society that died out from trashing its own nest -- either so to speak, or precisely and literally.

slummer writes: 02, 2007 11:40 AM

Someone along the way questioned the need to replace fossil fuels since they are so efficient - I've noticed that no one has raised the alternative of nuclear energy here.

DESKJOCKEY

I believe nuclear is far more energy efficient however it is politically very inefficient. For politicians to get green campaign donations they must fund the organizations and pass laws that stifle efficiency and attack capitalism. The huge cost that would be required to build a plant, if you could, would reduce some of the gain.


Touj
You named the societies I thought you would, and I note first of all that they do not include the societies of urbanization and mechanization, combined with efficient and sustainable agriculture, represented by the various peoples of Europe, and by some of China and India. It is precisely mechanization; the urbanization that promotes scientific study, division of labor, and the rapid spread of technology; and the prioritization of sustainability in service of human life, that has enabled those other societies to continue successfully occupying the lands they have inhabited for millennia.

You have mainly made an argument that NOT having these qualities is a survival problem for societies, whether they are advanced in realms like abstract thought and astronomy or not. I would certainly agree. The advantage of mechanized, urbanized societies is borne out in the phenomenon of those societies being much more careful about the quality of their air and water, and about the state of wild, scenic, or heritage lands, than less-industrialized societies.

But there is no example of an industrialized society using up the earth's resources and expiring. Your argument boils down to the insistence that this is GOING to happen. Since the examples you provide are of NON-industrialized societies dying out, they don't serve your argument.

slummer writes: 02, 2007 11:40 AM

…….. the role of the federal reserve in creating inflation and price shocks. Could you expand on this? Economics was never my strong suit.

DESKJOCKEY

Inflation and energy price shocks are unrelated. Inflation is caused by printing paper or expansion of the money supply beyond the increase of goods and services.

Inflation is a soft tax on all those that deal in dollars. Most dollars are held by foreigners and we essentially charge them 2.5%/yr to hold our paper. However, your assets are also quoted in dollars and subject to the soft tax. For example, if you own land and it increases 2.5%/yr as quoted in inflated dollars you have made no money at all because those dollars will only buy the same land. But sell that land compounded at 2.5% a year later in life and you have a huge tax bill but your value and purchasing power remained unchanged and after tax is now reduced. There was no TRUE increase in your asset, only an increase as quoted in inflated dollars.

Our gas is going up in price because as we inflate money as quoted in lower valued dollars gas seems higher. In essence the giver-ment has levied a soft tax. In countries that have had their currencies rise compared to dollars, their gas prices have not gone up much at all.

A TRUE increase in gas or any commodity or asset is that increase over and above inflation. If a commodity is rising faster than inflation then it is merely representing a higher value by the market place compared to other goods and services and is not inflationary.

You can identify inflation because it increases the cost of all goods and services as quoted in dollars. A true increase in value will be seen only in selected items that the market place has increased it value over all other goods and services and this is merely the market place deciding where money is best spent.

slummer writes: 02, 2007 11:40 AM

How do you personally feel about the pending price cap legislation?

DESKJOCKEY RESPONDS

My personal feeling is that it is treason and they should be hung. However, politically it is brilliant because AmeriKans love Marxism and therefore anything that interferes with the highest and best allocation of resources, (ie. the market place). Because almost all legislation is a corruption of some sort, I realize that this is the natural function of giver-ment and will continue until such time that they destroy the society and the masses revolt. It has been that way since the beginning of time. As Jefferson said we must shed blood (he thought every 25 years) and institute a new order of giver-ment. It is his blood, tyrants and patriots quote.

Cap legislation is eco 101 supply and demand. If you cap the price you’ll get less supply than the proper allocation of resources the market place needs to operate efficiently. But that is the sole function of giver-ment, to pick winners and losers in the market place to advance their political careers.

Of course I can give you the short answer, if giver-ment is for it, it is bad.

As for government
... posters who know me better than you do understand my view of it as a necessary evil that needs constant supervision, correction, and putting in its place. Government has a gun; we have to be extraordinarily careful what we assign it to do.

Being certain that the temperature of the planet is too high is way on the outer edge of any bundle of sentiments we might trust government with. We must not, moreover, confuse "AGW" with pollution, which is easy to see and feel, although often less easy to explain. (E.g., there is much natural "pollution" -- fetid brown haze -- that collects in LA's San Fernando Valley of its own accord, and did so well before the introduction of the automobile.)

Literal pollution is one thing, since it demonstrably interferes with current quality of life in various ways. There is nothing demonstrable about catastrophic, or single-direction-trend, AGW. Take the "G" out of it, and you can show a localized effect if you keep the experiment short enough, and unaffected by external phenomena. But this isn't how CLIMATE actually works.

Sometimes you have to assume away any phenomena not accounted for in your experiment; and the fact that you're not accounting for them renders your results suspect. There are too many interacting influences in climate for us to be absolutely certain we've either isolated "the" cause of a GLOBAL warming trend, or that our predictions about its continuation or effects have a better than even probability of bearing out.

A government that is the right size will protect the environment against observable pollution with demonstrated harmful effects. But it is not the business of government to favor theories and act on them, without any evidence more concrete than the insistence of partisan advocates that they are most definitely valid.

GW is good
Walter Williams pointed out that the earth was about 25 degrees warmer in the Paleocene age and Antarctica was home to lush forest and beaches.

Also, I’ve seen studies showing the earth 10 degrees warmer 2,000 years ago and the reason man thrived during that period.

Here is what the giver-ment needs to do before they take us further down their political boondoggle to appease campaign donors and their multi-billion dollar GW voter payoff industry.

Give us the proper temperature that the earth should be, explain how they arrived at it, and let us know if we are heading toward it or away from it.

In the meantime they need to correct their bogus reading stations that account for most of the rise the past century and figure out how to predict the temperature in 7 days within 3 degrees of reality.

GW - Good every time its tried.
Good point, Deskjockey. Most recently, the medieval warm period, between around 800 and 1250 AD, if I remember right. Growing seasons were longer and food was plentiful. It was a period of growth and prosperity. Europe built great cathederals and the Vikings colonized Greenland, where they grew crops and raised livestock.

Today, Greenland is too cold to grow crops anywhere, and the areas that were once farmed can't even produce enough hay in the brief growing season to support livestock.

Not even Algore believes this "AGW will doom us all" crap. He built his new mansion in the warm climate of Tennessee. He could have built in Greenland (and waited a bit for the ice to melt, which he claims is proceeding at "an alarming pace") or at least in the Canadian Rockies.


Sealthing the "Climate Change" issue
Part of the reason this issue was left to the opportunistic fanatics so long thru the late '80's - 90's, is that one of their most persistent lies was that we could prevent AGW & it wouldn't cost much or disrupt our lives much. That was basically a self-serving lie or at least the perennial leftist principle at work. To these people, nothing costs too much if the other guy is being forced to pay for it, therefore they always downplay costs.

Now, they've taken the tack of admitting that the costs will be high & the changes drastic, but that the debate is already over & the decision has been made. Trouble is, they can't seem to point to the occasion when that happened, but EPA has been granted broad authority by SCOTUS to regulate carbon dioxide emissions even though Congress never passed any act stating so.

The whole point of the AGW dogma is to expand and centralize government to the point of totalitarianism. AGWists intend to radically disrupt our lifestyles, lower our expectations, & have us submit more & more to almighty all-wise all-benevolent government.

How many candidates for President & Congress are running on positions on AGW? Who is saying what they will do about it? NOBODY. Like Gore in 2000, they're just keeping mum about it, 'cause they'll either enact this thing on us once they're in, or sit back & let unelected bureaucrats & judges do so.

Yes, envrios don't want
hydro power either.

They like wind power, which will never supply any % of our energy needs. That's why they like it.

With the mining disasters we've just had, look for more legislation to restrict mining, because we could run the whole nation on coal.

Every time you use your AC or turn on the lights, just consider that you may be put in the position of justifying those energy uses to the same bureacrats who have mismanaged my Soc. Sec. payments.

Desk Jockey
. . . I differ with you on the cause of gasoline price increases. IMHO, (as an engineer with 30 years refinery experience), this is mostly a supply and demand effect. The world is consuming oil at the rate of about 85 million barrels per day, with an annual growth rate of about 3 percent per year. Some countries have a much higher growth rate, particularly China and India. In stark contrast, refining capacity has not kept pace, and now there is a rather serious shortage of refining capacity in the US. The US imports more and more gasoline, jet fuel, and diesel fuel to compensate.

Export refineries in Europe and Middle East sell to the highest bidder. China is building refineries, but imports gasoline and diesel while the construction is ongoing.

Consequently, gasoline prices go up. Anyone remember that tomato prices skyrocketed after the Florida hurricanes a few years ago? Supply and demand did that. Gasoline is no different. Until the US gets off its environmental wackiness, and removes the disincentives for US refineries to expand, expect more of the same.

Grumpy and Polly
. . . I differ as to politicos' motivations. Not to be too much of a conspiracy-monger, but I have personally witnessed corporations and other businessmen apply influence to politicos over long periods of time to advance an agenda. I have also researched and written at least a part of the arguments used to advance the agenda.

Part of the reason the US banned drilling where we did was the environmentalists could not bear to see another oil platform in the ocean, and the oil spill at Santa Barbara gunked up the beach for a short time. By the way, the beaches in Santa Barbara are clean now. Nature heals itself. Note that there are several natural oil seeps into the ocean, most notably in the Gulf of Mexico off the coast of Mexico.

Another reason is the cost to produce ME oil was very, very low but the cost to drill our own oil offshore and in the frozen north was very, very high. Things are different now. We have technology to extract oil at approximately 8 to 10 dollars per barrel. That is still much higher than the oil wells in the ME, though. The old joke used to be that to find oil in the ME, just poke a hole in the sand with a pencil. The smart guys at Exxon and others are very, very good at finding oil, drilling in the right places with the right techniques, and bringing the stuff to the surface.

Texn Engneer writes:, 03, 2007 12:00 PM

Desk Jockey
. . . I differ with you on the cause of gasoline price increases.

DESKJOCKEY RESPONDS

Well I agree with you never the less.

I pointed out that certain commodities will rise relative to all other items, this being a true increase in price and not inflation caused nor a cause of inflation. My only caution was that the US has had an extremely high surge in gas prices compared to other economies because of our inflation. My point was not to suggest that inflation is the cause of true higher gas prices having previously stated inflation raises all prices.

I pointed out as you have that restricting supply violates eco 101 and naturally also raises the price.

To clarify for our readers, if inflation has been 2.5% a year for the past 7 years and gas has doubled as quoted in dollars, then 19% of the double is due to inflation and represents no true increase in price and 81% is a true increase in price compared to other prices and reflects the supply demand issues you highlight.

EE, minor in eco.

Don't Tread On Me
Yes, the costs would be high; and, the changes would be dramatic.

http://www.utilitiesproject.com/documents.asp?grID=111&d_ID=4296 (registration required, but free)

That's ~2% of GDP per year over the period. If the federal government could be convinced to return to performing only the functions enumerated for it in the Constitution, the capital would be available - but, I hallucinate.

However, even if we do that, nothing happens unless everyone else does it as well. We would get energy independence in the bargain; and, probably drive the enviros over the edge.
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