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Wednesday, August 22, 2007
Walter E. Williams :: Townhall.com Columnist
Liberal Views, Black Victims
by Walter E. Williams
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Last year, among the nation's 10 largest cities, Philadelphia had the highest murder rate with 406 victims. This year could easily top last year's with 240 murders so far.

Other cities such as Baltimore, Detroit and Washington, D.C., with large black populations, experience the nation's highest rates of murder and violent crime. This high murder rate is, and has been, predominantly a black problem.

According to Bureau of Justice statistics, between 1976 and 2005, blacks, while 13 percent of the population, committed over 52 percent of the nation's homicides and were 46 percent of the homicide victims. Ninety-four percent of black homicide victims had a black person as their murderer.

Blacks are not only the major victims of homicide; blacks suffer high rates of all categories of serious violent crime, and another black is most often the perpetrator.

Liberals and their political allies say the problem is the easy accessibility of guns and greater gun control is the solution. That has to be nonsense. Guns do not commit crimes; people do.

Up through 1979, the FBI reported homicide arrests sorted by racial breakdowns that included Japanese. Between 1976 and 1978, 21 of 48,695 arrests for murder and non-negligent manslaughter were Japanese-Americans. That translates to an annual murder rate of 1 per 100,000 of the Japanese-American population. Would anyone advance the argument that the reason why homicide is virtually nonexistent among Japanese-Americans is because they can't find guns?

The high victimization rate experienced by the overwhelmingly law-abiding black community is mostly the result of predators not having to pay a heavy enough price for their behavior. They benefit from all kinds of asinine excuses, such as poverty, racial discrimination and few employment opportunities.

During the 1940s and '50s, I grew up in North Philadelphia where many of today's murders occur. It was a time when blacks were much poorer, there was far more racial discrimination, and fewer employment opportunities and other opportunities for upward socioeconomic mobility were available. There was nowhere near the level of crime and wanton destruction that exists today. Behavior accepted today wasn't accepted then by either black adults or policemen.

Police authorities often know who are the local criminals and drug lords and where crack houses are located; however, various legal technicalities hamper their ability to make arrests and raids. Law-abiding citizens are often afraid to assist police or testify against criminals for fear of retaliation that can include murder. The level of criminal activity not only puts residents in physical jeopardy but represents a heavy tax on people least able to bear it. That heavy tax includes higher prices for goods and services and fewer shopping opportunities because supermarkets and other large retailers are reluctant to bear the costs of doing business in high-crime areas.

So here's the question: Should black people accept government's dereliction of its first basic function, that of providing protection? My answer is no. One of our basic rights is the right to defend oneself against predators. If the government can't or won't protect people, people have a right to protect themselves.

You say, "Hey, Williams, you're not talking about vigilantism, are you?" Yes, I am. Webster's Dictionary defines vigilantism as: a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate.

Example: A number of years ago, Black Muslims began to patrol Mayfair, a drug-infested, gang-ridden Washington, D.C., housing project. The gangs and drug lords left, probably because the Black Muslims didn't feel obliged to issue Miranda warnings. Black men should set up neighborhood patrols, armed if necessary, and if politicians and police don't like it, they should do their jobs. No one should have to live in daily fear for their lives and safety.

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Dr. Williams serves on the faculty of George Mason University as John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics and is the author of More Liberty Means Less Government: Our Founders Knew This Well.
 
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Excellent.
"You say, 'Hey, Williams, you're not talking about vigilantism, are you?' Yes, I am. Webster's Dictionary defines vigilantism as: a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate."




Can you say "illegal aliens[?]"


Thanks Walter
Folks are finally getting on board and comparing the Successful ASIANS to that of BLACKS,,, For LIBERALS,,, this question has no answers....

Race is an illusion
Can anyone here tell what color a poster here is if they do not tell us?
Do dark-skinned people from Nigeria have anything in common with dark-skinned people from Harlem, and do they have anything in common with dark-skinned people from Vancouver?
Are Jewish people white? What about Italians and Spaniards? Are Danish people the same race as the Scots?

My point is that color is absolutely meaningless in terms of defining a "race". There are some statistics which show some correlation to certain phenomena based on skin color, but, as we all know by now, correlation does not prove causality. Basically, while certain dark-skinned people experience certain problems in certain areas, it is not necessarily the pigment that is the problem, and people of lighter complexions in the same set of conditions would experience the same outcome.

My solution: "Race" should only be mentioned when it is actually relevant, like in terms of a physical description, or for some medical diagnoses. Any other use of race is... racism.

Just out of curiosity
In these large cities that Williams cites, with the highest murder and violent crime rates (Philadelphia, Baltimore, Detroit, Washington D.C.), which party wields the most control over funding, social programs and public policing? I mean, who is responsible for the welfare of these citizens? Are these "blue cities" or "red cities?"

Oh, and what are their gun laws, I wonder?

Reply to Walter Williams
According to a DOJ press release, Mi Su Yi and her husband, Paul Amorello, were sentenced in California in July 2006 for operating a $3 million bust-out scheme involving business lines of credit and HELOCs. The couple accessed lines of credit that had been obtained by others and paid the balances with worthless checks. They subsequently withdrew cash from the lines of credit before the checks were returned for insufficient funds. The couple laundered their proceeds through bank accounts opened under three false identities. In an attempt to avoid detection, the couple deposited cash amounts of less than $10,000 into these accounts.
-US DOJ, “New Jersey Residents Sentenced to Prison for Running a $3 Million ‘Bust-Out’ Scheme,” Press Release, 25 July 2006, available at http://www.usdoj.gov

Reply to Walter Williams
Money laundering, in its own right, is a serious threat to our national and economic security.
Integrating illicit proceeds into the financial system enables organized crime, fuels corruption, and erodes confidence
in the rule of law.

gwco2skeptic -- race is real
Sorry, race is real.

All of the points you've brought up are true, but irrelevant.

As it so happens, large groups of people congregate together based on any number of common factors; religion, race, heritage, etc. When these groups of people congregate, socialize, interact, a CULTURE is created.

These cultures can be analyzed and criticized based on any number of factors. Thomas Sowell has a book or two out on this very subject. For example, Asians tend to be more studious than others. This has nothing to do with the color of their skin, but rather their culture, probably originating back in China, Japan, etc.

Were you to immerse people of other skin colors into this culture, you would very probably get a non-Asian with Asian values.

What Dr. Williams is talking about is the Politics of Victimhood which is perpetuated in the culture of many black communities. He is blaming this, not on the skin color, but on liberal policies which have been put into place. The skin color is merely an accidental correlation (or perhaps not so accidental).

But the fact that we are "all the same under the skin" (or, as the geneticist would say, 99.999% genetically identical) does not change this correlation.

Say, Black Knight:
How many shots do you think it'll take with that pea-shooter to bring down that rhinocerous you're aiming at?

One (or even a hundred) anecdotes of an Asian-American committing a crime DOES NOT change the statistical facts DR. Williams is relating here.

On top of that, while money-laundering & fraud are serious crimes, they are not generaly serious VIOLENT crimes. At least try to compare apples to pears rather than potatoes.

We all know that Dr. Williams is right
But to many folks refuse to see the forest for the trees. To do otherwise would be "racist".

Ran
Apparently you didn't read the article.
Setting up an unofficial neighborhood watch with the capacity to actually enforce the law where the police are not acting is not the same as a "gang".

If you had read what he said about the results of the Black Muslims in Mayfair, there has been LESS violence, bodies, and killings, and less crime in any form.

Another straight shot from
Walter Williams. History has shown that when the government refuses to enforce the law the citizens will take it on their own to do so. The sad thing is that when they do the breaks are off and the train roars downhill at terrific speeds. For some insight into what happens when vigilantism takes place, Google the Committee of Vigilance for San Francisco. This is where the name actually came from.

As to the rise in inner city crime after the 60s is it not a coincidence that this occurred as the liberal programs initiated by the Democrats were started up? What happened is that welfare programs rewarded illegitimacy and broken homes. Black culture in the cities in the 50s may not have been Leave It To Beaver, but it sure as h*ll was Boys in Da Hood either.

The problem is that children in the 'hood are not being civilized now. Most are totally out of control and due to the idiotic interpretations of the liberal Supreme Court and people like the two race bating reverends, local law enforcement has it's hand tied. As long as things continue in that vein crime will run out of control and the only way to fight it will be to bring on Charles Bronson.

As usual, Walter Williams is correct...
...and he echos many who have written on the same subject. This is includes "What Elephants Can Teach People" at:

http://www.ronalbright.com

In the commentary, a comparison is made with the juvenile elephant problem in South Africa (they were killing rhinos and other large animals) and what happened when the park introduced older, stronger males in the teenagers' territory. The misbehavior stopped IMMEDIATELY.

Vigilantism or, better still, responsible adult intervention will solve the problem. Not more gun laws. Blacks folks can take care of their own problems if liberals will just stop "helping" them. We have helped the black people to death.

Cheers,

Ron Albright

Cause and Effect
However much I agree with Mr. William's assertions, there are certain facts that could shed some additonal light to this situation. The first being a 70% out of wedlock birthrate within these communities. I do not doubt that this did not take place at the time of Mr. Williams residence in North Philly. This has a profound bearing on the situation at hand. Another factor that goes hand in hand with this fact are the laws pertaining to child support. Even the New York Times mentions this as a determining factor when discussing the high out of wedlock births within urban communities. This helps to create the underground economy, i.e. drugs, guns, gangs, and other illegal activities that provide income that can not be traced. Combine this with the lack of parental influence and you have the perfect recipe for disaster.

Oh, and as to the assertion by gwco2skeptic that any classification of individuals by race is in itself racist, I have one question: Does this make the public policies of affirmative action concerning public contracts, employment, or educational opportunities based on the color of one's skin racist?

When George Bush called...
...the Minutemen on our Southern Border "Vigilantes",I had to laugh.Of course they were!Vigilanties have a proud history in this country.They only arise from within a community in the absence of law enforcement.They arose in the old West for that very reason.Did you know that Teddy Roosevelt was a Vigilante?He was when he was a young man.His wealthy parents sent him to their ranch in Wyoming for his health.While their he met and joined a local vigilante group for the protection of their local community.The men he met there were the future Rough Riders of the Spanish-American war in Cuba,led by Col Roosevelt.

The black muslims cited by Dr Williams were in the best traditions of American vigilantism.

ABSENCE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT!

ACLU
Did someone forget to mention the ACLU?

Way to go
Walter Williams is right.

I'd love to see a black neighborhood where a hundred or so of the decent people with baseball bats in hand marched down to the street corner where the drug dealers and gangbangers hang out. If those thugs fire one shot, beat them to death. In any case, drive them out. If the next neighborhood they try to move into does the same thing, and the next and the next, they'd have no place left to go. I might be messy for a while, but within a year, the crime rate would drop drastically and the quality of life would be greatly enhanced. And just maybe, the kids would stop trying to emulate the drug dealers and gangbangers.


What I fear most
is losing my right to keep and bear arms. I live in an urban neighborhood, and I keep a gun, loaded, under my bed. I am a woman, but I have no qualms what-so-ever about shooting someone who would threat me or my family.

Once the liberals disarm the population, there will be no end to the control that they will wield. Without guns, citizens will have no recourse but to comply. If you don’t believe that, go back and look at the tapes of the massacre at Tiananmen Square. The best argument for the right to keep and bear arms was the picture of students in China fighting armed tanks with sticks and rocks. This is the sort of prehistoric helplessness to which the left wants to reduce America.

Gun Control
Gun Control was first introduced in this country to keep blacks from fighting back on equal terms with the Demoncrat members of the KKK.
Gun Control was proposed by Hitler to ensure the Jews were easy victims.

Gun Control is not the solution. It is the problem.

Sleestack
To Sleestack - yes AA is racist, not just because it mentions race, but because it assumes that one race cannot achieve anything without outside help.

I thought Cons preached PERSONAL
Responsibility??? Love to see how easy you all heep blame on every "liberal" entity...

I agree though, look at how successful the Vigilante Militia's are in Iraq...

walter williams
i am a life long resident of northeast philadelphia (52 yrs) and do not own a gun, but many of my neighbors do and shootings are rare.

it is widely known if you stay out of certain parts of philadelphia (poor black neighborhoods)
your chance of being shot is remote.

the police here are not allowed to randomly check for guns,so there hands are tied as we head towards 500 murders this year.

Redhead
I will have to disagree with you on that one buddy. Sure, slaves were not allowed to have guns, but that can not be called the start of "gun control" in America. H*ll, you could go back to British common law which forbed common people from owning weapons.

Most people consider NYC and the Sullivan Law as the start of Gun Control. And BTW some more stuff on Rudy and Guns.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56047

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Rudy_Giuliani_Gun_Control.htm

Walter is Wrong
Wlter is correct in most of what he says. However, he is way off base when he mentions that one of the the reasons for the high crime among blacks is the lack of available jobs. Has Walter forgotten that there are millions of jobs in America that Americans won't do? The jobs are there, it's just that the folks Williams writes about are not willing to do them or they are not qualified or too irresponsible.

I am disappointed that Williams is playing the race card. He doesn't say it, but implies that Whites are not providing blacks with jobs.

Gun Control
Some day,perhaps, Walter Williams is going to say something I consider shallow or even wrong. Having grown up in a major city and lived in major metropolitan areas much of my life, I now live in the hills of Tennessee. It is an interesting place. We probably have more drug and alcolhol addicts than one normally finds in a small area and if there is anyone here who has interpreted the "law of the land" to his own benefit (including me) I'm not aware of them. But we have very little violent crime, certainly none consisting of rape or murder, in the years I have been here. Could it be that everyone owns guns, knows how and when to shoot, and the law of Tennessee, unlike more enlightened places such as Michigan, Massachusetts, New York and Washington D.C., permits a home owner to kill in self defense when on his own property? Oh yes, most of us have large dogs of mongrel pedigree who announce visitors also. Oh yes, we also have a racial mixture. A recent family reunion had more than 200 black families celebrating in our non-tax supported community center playground at the same time a collection of heavy metal bands (white) were enjoying themselves in the center's building. A sheriff's deputy stopped by seeing the unusual numbers, joined the family reunion long enough to enhoy and excellent meal. Some of the white heavy metal group enjoyed the same privilege and some of the family joined the heavy metal group's audience. I suspect a few laws might have been broken, but there was no violence and there was a lot of fun. Incidentally, the groups left the center spotlessly clean, which is all that is asked. It's a nice place to live; guns, dogs and casual acceptance of federal laws and all. Bill D.

an overlooked distinction
Are all races equal? Absolutely.
Are all cultures equal? Absolutely not.

Yes
Personal responsibility is preached, because in cases as the above you are responsible for your actions. The liberal view on things is "he did it because he was poor, you have to understand his background". In any instance you can't tell me normal, people with a least one functioning brain cell don't know murder, stealing, rape isn't wrong. The liberal response is take away the guns, all that does is disarm the law-abiding citizens and make them easier prey.

I have said before liberals look at minorities (blacks in particular) as not being able to achieve without handouts and special programs from them (we somehow don't have what it takes to be successful, law-abiding citizens). That type of thinking is racist.

Comparing Iraq to a military operation is (well, stupid). Citizens within a country that act law-lessly is nowhere near the same a national leader producing or acting in ways to cause hurt, harm, or violating a cease-fire agreement from a war he had previously lost has a universe between the two.

KC

There is an answer and it works


It works in Maricopa county, Arizona.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (Sheriff of Maricopa county, Arizona) has established a "posse" of around 2500 volunteers. These folks are continuously patrolling the area that I live in and there is virtually no crime.

I believe Maricopa county provides the patrol cars but the volunteers buy their own uniforms. They do not carry weapons (I believe) but can call a fully deputized officer when necessary.

See:
http://www.mcsoposse.org/
and
http://www.comservposse.org/

SLEAZY POLITICIAN
Walter is right. He didn't say that one of the reasons for high crime among blacks is the lack of available jobs. He said that that was one of the EXCUSES given. He then went on to point out that there were even fewer employment opportunities when he was young, but that the level of crime was low.

Strange interpretation
I fail to see where Dr. Williams is "playing the race card," or implying that "Whites are not providing blacks with jobs." I have read much of what Dr. Williams has written, and I cannot imagine him ever "playing the race card," as Sleazy Politician has stated.
Oh, and "Sleazy Politician is a tautology.

So where are the usual commies
like lilly, et al? Ran had some stupid little quip, but that was it.

Pilgrim
Baltimore and The DC Suburbs in Maryland are Red to the point of being Borderline Communist!

had enough
I would be willing to bet 75-80 percent of the american people (of all races)agree but wont do anything but write posts on the internet. Thats why 25% of the population of this country sets 95% of the policy.People need to get together and let these politicians know how they feel or it will never change. VOTE THEM OUT. More people vote on american idol than in our national elections.

A healthy dose
What these predominantly black communities could really use is a healthy dose of respect for the law. Instead they are taught to hate the police, view incarcerated felons as political prisoners, and idealize criminal behavior. Then, via welfare they are given a lot of free time to get into mischief. What a recipe for disaster!
Of course, it wouldn't hurt for them to listen to Dr. Williams half as much as they listen to Rev. Jackson.

Brainsnotrhetoric
Actually, all you just provided were brainless rhetorical fallacies, punctuated by typical moral equivalence.

What is Truly Confusing Is That
Regardless of the deterioration of Urban Neighborhoods, these precincts send the SAME PEOPLE back to Elected Offices YEAR AFTER YEAR! I give you Charles Rangel, Elijah Cummings, Marion Berry, etc. Occasionally, a local preacher will call for a “Stop The Killing” rally and the killing stops, UNTIL the rally is over!

Dr. Williams is right. It is sad but true, that the only thing that stops VIOLENCE is SUPERIOR VIOLENCE! What stopped Japan in WWII? What stopped Muammar Qaddafi? What stopped The Civil War? All three answers are the same. A MAJOR LEAUGE A$$ KICKING!

The police are doing their job
For some reason people believe the police are supposed to protect them.
Of course, many of those same people believe the constitution still means what it says. Lawless behavior is the natural result of a lawless government.

The police aren't in the neighborhoods because they are assigned to far more important tasks such as generating revenue for the city and state governments through sitting on highways with radar guns, setting up roadblocks checking for seatbelt usage and the real cash cow of DUI checkpoints. All of these 'crimes' have the presumption of guilt and require no investigation. Many of these 'crimes' are a double bonanza simply because they often result in multiple violations with the added bonus of catching a perp without insurance. Now these are real crimes!

Beyond that, the police are assigned the all-important task of responding to neighborhood crimes after the fact in order to fill out the report to be filed in the unsolved crime bin. Meanwhile the non-violent citizens are held captive in their neighborhoods and told they are in violation of 'the law' if they have the audacity to own a gun, carry a gun or do anything to protect their rights to life, liberty and property.

YEEEAHHHH!
Walter Williams wrote:

"Hey, Williams, you're not talking about vigilantism, are you?" Yes, I am.

AAAAAMMMENNN!

Walter, Rush is going to be out of town this Friday and all of next week. PLEASE tell us you're filling in. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!

Right on Walter
and while the situation in the black communities may be most critical, the rest of us are in a headlong rush to develop the same problems due to the same causes. We better learn from our black friends mistakes. Mostly inflicted on them by white libs. And not let the Libs "help" us down the same road.

There was a little dissent about the first gun control being for suppression of blacks or the sullivan laws--well the Sullivan laws themselves were a racist attempt keep the "inferior races" from having guns. So, we could debate WHICH race the first gun laws were aimed at, but they were almost all about race or class.

Walter Williams
needs a cabinet position in the Thompson administration.

Not sure which one, although Dept. of Education would be a good one... and Walters can be the last secretary of it!

Let's put Sheriff Arpiao in charge of the bureau of prisons.

Dennis Miller as Sec. of State

and...




Black Crime
I say, "Williams, you are correct in your thinking as usual!

Undocumented Police

The vigilantes will just be doing those jobs that the police and politicians won't do. We can call them undocumented police and judges. They could even declare sanctuary neighborhoods where the official police would not be allowed to ask if they are a vigilante.

I think congress should immediately get behind this vigilante movement and force through the legislation without debate to remove the stigma of calling their actions illegal. They would have to grant police powers to any vigilante after a background check that couldn’t take more than 24 hours to complete.

After all, they are just trying to protect their families. Do it for the children.

Williams
Is there a level above genius??? That's where Williams stands.


Brilliant!
Williams, Sowell, Cosby vs. Jackson, Sharpton, (Pick any Activist) . . . Truth vs. Fiction. Thanks for making sense, Doc. You're a credit to this nation. From a cracker who doesn't see color until his nose is constantly rubbed in it by schlockmeisters . . .

Did You Know
That in the state of new Jersey, if someone breaks into your house and you shoot them without trying to "escape", you will be under arrest?

These are some of the ridiculous PC laws that are used by criminals against us.

Just look at the Michael Vick mess. All the people supporting him are black, just because he's black. They guy copped to a crime, why on earth would you support a criminal?? Just because he's black??

Also, wasn't there someone out there saying to all potential black jurors that if their case involved a black person they should vote not guilty just because the defendant is black??

What is going on in this country??

CrossWise
RITFLMO - That was good I love it. You should send that one in to the papers.

Also
Criminals need to be put on notice in every state that if they break into a house, and the owner of said house is legally armed, the criminal will be shot.

The home owners need to not be prosecuted for defending their homes. This is fundamental, why don't the gun-grabbers understand this??

And if he/she survives, they will go to jail.

If they don't survive their remains will be chucked in a dumpster...

Dr. Williams
As always on the money!

Vic
I could be wrong. It has happened before.

I said that gun control was proposed. I don't know if it was ever passed. I believe that this was after the Civil War, during the Reconstruction time period when the Demoncrat run KKK ran wild in the South. Those KKK types hated it when blacks could shoot back to protect themselves.

Crosswise
Excellent post.

But until this country stops pandering to the criminals and punishing the victims, it'll never happen.

I saw a poster ealrier state that there would be more blood in the streets if Dr. Williams' approach was taken.

My response is yes, bad guy blood....

Worst liberalism is the pub. schools
DC schools, virtually all black, cost nearly $15,000 per student and graduates often read on the 4th grade level (NAEP). The nat'l ave. for school costs per pupil is c. $9,000.

Newark, NJ, has very similar stats, coming in around $14,000 per pupil and with a monstrous dropout rate.

Hispanics/Latinos have even higher dropout rates than blacks. Both minorities have the highest rates for being "classified" or considered burdened by learning disabilities.

Minorities should get off the lib. plantation and clamor for high-level pub. ed. for urban areas and minority-dominated schools.

The failure of the schools started right after passing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, in the 70s when "self esteem" and "relevant ed" started dominating teaching methods.

The worst recipients of these non-teaching strategies have always been the black and brown students. This failure of pub. ed., a system that costs nationally 1/2 trillion a year, is prob. the worst lib. scandal of all time.

Georgetwin
While I usually disagree with Walter most of the time, I agree with him somewhat on this issue. Crime shouldn't be tolerated anywhere. He also mentions the fact that there is a "high tax" for being in neighborhood that is crime ridden and poverty stricken. That is very true.

Also, Walt mentions Mayfair Mansions. That didn't happen a couple of years ago, it happened back in 1988-1989. Almost 20 years ago. The Muslims didn't and still don't carry any sort of fire arms at all. Some liberals right?

But what they did do is garner much attention by the local media to the still understaffed 6th Police Precinct. Marion Barry supported this and so did "Shadow Senator" Jesse Jackson later on.

You also must remember the rise of crack in our cities. I don't know who you blame for it, but you can't blame the local governemnts. Maybe the CIA? That's another topic for another day.

As much as some outsiders hate Barry, he did provide the youth with expansive summer jobs, excellent recreational facilities open all year long, and focused more attention on Wards 7 & 8. Mayor Williams did his best also, but not as well as Barry.

So, guns are not necessarily needed to protect a community. It takes a sense of community organization and anger to get things done. I also believe that police must be accountable. Caes of police brutality and profiling don't help their standing in most communities. Sharpton is right on with his demonstrations against police brutality. We may not always agree, but he is right with this.

Finally, the suburbs of Maryland such as PG County, Montgomery County, and Howard County are actually some of the richest counties in the nation. Oh yeah, they are all majority Democratic!!!

DR WILLIAMS

.....As usual your logic is irrefutable ...you cannot be human ...you must be a computer .....COLOSSUS

Vigilantes
If my neighbors and I organize ourselves to protect our neighborhood when the Police can't or won't, that's also called... a Militia. When asked about making it legal to shoot criminals for breaking into our homes, a local politician remarked with shock: "but that could lead to criminals being killed!". My reponse was: "So what's the down side?"

Joesolis
The downside is....well....uh...

Oh yeah! The downside is that all those expensive jails won't be so full anymore....

Political Correctness Gone Wild
Want a good laugh ? Head north on E14th Street.. As you leave the City of San Leandro and enter the City of Oakland, look to your right and you'll notice a sign.. The sign features an image of a handgun, with a red diagonal slash line through it... Below the image are the words "Gun Free Zone"... You have to ask yourself - who is the rocket scientist that figured the corner of E14th Street and 107th Ave.
is an appropriate place for this sign ? Look at the list of cities in America with the highest per capita murder rate, Oakland sits at #8... Right about now you realize that your best bet is to hang a bat-turn and get back into San Leandro before somebody pops a cap in ya !!

Kerner Commission
....the self full filling prophecy.

In olden days murder and theft among the commons was beneath the attention of the state. Culprits caught en flagrante were treated to 'hue and cry'.

Anthony Thomas
Yeah. A topic for another day. I don't think I have the stength to engage in that.

I see you are from Philly. Don't tell me you are an Eagles fan?



Yes, Allow People their God-Given Right
Self-defense is a God-given right. Every single gun law on the books is unconstitutional.

If I absolutely *had* to propose a gun law it would be to require every home to have a gun. But as a libertarian I don't advocate requiring this any more than I advocate prohibiting it.

I can, however, advocate that gun and ammo sales be freed from sales taxes to make them more affordable.

This is the first most important thing to reduce crime.

The next thing would be for the police to start doing what they should have been doing all along: To protect your *rights.*

I would also relieve them from having to enforce junk laws such as seat-belt laws, curfews and other victimless crime laws.

As much as I, being a Christian, abhor drugs, gambling and prostitution, it is not the place of government to prohibit or regulate these things. It is the job of government to prevent *crime* not sin. Robbery, burglary, rape, assault and murder are examples of crimes. Smoking the wrong plant and having sex for money are not.

We have more than enough police. They could stop real crime in its tracks if permitted to do so, and if people were allowed to help by protecting themselves.

See my own blog: http://www.alicelillieandher.blogspot.com

Liberal Views, Black Victims
Mr. Williams is right on with one exception. In many African-American neighborhoods, there is a Do Not Tell policy towards the police. You cannot fault the police totally when, in the performance of their jobs, they face blatant attitude against them (even African-American police) and a mum population regarding who is conducting the crime.
Mr. Williams is correct in stating what is being done by the liberal judges regarding punishment. Far too often, "reasons" supercede the crime. That's happening across the board, not just among the African-American population. The perpetrator ends up being the victim and the punishment doesn't fit the crime. So, even if the African-American population decided the police are their friends and come forward with support and information, the liberal judges will take care of the perpetrators. It's a vicious circle. Should the neighborhood watch arm itself and shoot a perpetrator, the liberal judges will put them in jail for doing it.
What's the answer? I don't have a clue but something sure needs to be done. Alot of very nice, totally innocent people are being murdered and it's a travesty.

To: Black Knight
That was a truly silly "non sequitur". Dr. Williams was talking about HOMICIDE statistics. Notice, his paragraph about Japanese-Americans mentioned only "murder & non-negligent homicide". He said NOTHING WHATEVER about cons, scams, fraud or other non-violent crimes.

Please, learn something about logical fallacies, because you just committed an intellectual act of indecency in full (Internet) view. Be embarrassed. Be very embarrassed.

Anthony Thomas
Talk about being a disgruntled fan. I am a diehard Redskins fan from conception. Let's just say disappointment has become a common fall theme for the past 15 years.

Any team want Mark Brunell? Brandon Lloyd?

How about Vinny Cerrato? I'll even throw in The Danny!!!

More observations
1. In re gun control, I saw a bumber sticker the other day that read, "Guns kill people like spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat."

2. Notice that Dr. Williams uses the term "Black Victims," noot, "African-American" victims. I suggest this is because the majority of people who are now calling themselves "African-Americans," aren't. Unless you were born somewhere on the continent of Africa, and then emigrated to this country and became a naturalised citizen, you are not an "African-American." In fact, if you were born here you are simply an American, and a "native" American at that. It was Teddy Rosevelt who said that we had no need for what he dubbed "hyphenated Americans," and he was absolutely right.
3. Who do I blame for the crack problems? The dealers and the users. Any other excuse scenario is paranoid phantasy.

Nam65-66 writes:
When George Bush called...
...the Minutemen on our Southern Border "Vigilantes",I had to laugh.Of course they were!Vigilanties have a proud history in this country.They only arise from within a community in the absence of law enforcement.They arose in the old West for that very reason.Did you know that Teddy Roosevelt was a Vigilante?He was when he was a young man.His wealthy parents sent him to their ranch in Wyoming for his health.While their he met and joined a local vigilante group for the protection of their local community.The men he met there were the future Rough Riders of the Spanish-American war in Cuba,led by Col Roosevelt.

The black muslims cited by Dr Williams were in the best traditions of American vigilantism.

ABSENCE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT!
****
Another good example would be the Guardian Angels.

This example shows that the group on patrol doesn't need to be armed with weapons, just display the lack of fear and willingness to act in protection of the people of the community.

In this day and age such a group can be armed with privately funded/maintained and voluntarily placed (or hand carried by patrols) video cameras that document the crime on the streets so that video evidence can be turned into the proper law enforcement.

If they then do not act the community knows what is needed next, remove those who do nothing from office.

Ralph Ellison-Anthony Thomas
You totally IGNORE the fact the lives of inner-city Blacks have not improved SIGNIFICANTLY, yet you keep sending the same people back to office! Marion Barry throws a few crumbs to the black community and they fall at his feet!

SO WHAT if the Muslims didn’t carry guns, they got the job done!

Why should The Police maintain a presence when NOBODY will serve as a witness and somebody cries RACISM almost every time they make an arrest!

Crack came to the whole country, not just Black neighborhoods. So the CIA argument is Bogus, Liberal, Propaganda!

YES, I can blame the local governments! Enforcing The Law is part of their job!

Sharpton is a charlatan who is out for himself and nobody else!

What do the DC Suburbs have to do with anything?

dr williams
How can anyone ignore anyone who has the ability to reduce issues to its most logical analysis and then offers suggestions for solutions. Having listened to Dr williams many times I always found it quite humerous how he asks himself questions. However I seriously doubt the missus williams addresses him as williams as he sometimes alledges. But unfortunately for all of us far too many fail to hear his message. The dims, those on the left and in particular other blacks would be well served to heed his pearls of wisdom. But of course this wonderful thinker having abandoned the dims plantation of victimization and his refusal to cowtow to groups like the naacp his is similar to that voice in the wilderness. Keep up the good work dr williams. We can only hope that more will heed your sage advice

Post Racist
Until liberal America ceases painting any criticism of Black Urban culture as racist or Uncle Tom-like (if you're Bill Cosby or Juan Williams)it isn't going to get better. Crying racism as a defense against all ills is like the parable of the boy crying wolf - it hurts when it really happens and it hurts even more when trying to fix very real problems. Black American's are entitled to better...

Don't force blacks to act white.
Violence, drug abuse, rape, and murder are all part of black culture. As such, the activities should be condoned instead of shunned.

Requiring blacks to live without violence is just another way of persuading them to act white, something they get enough of in the education system.

13%
There must have been a black baby boom; as I remember (not long ago) that 11% was the figure...
All of this to say:
NOTHING will happen-NOTHING- except more blacks killed.
I cite East Palo Alto, CA some 20 years ago...it was the murder city (per capita) of the US at the time.
We heard how efforts from the police and community "stopped the violence"-
WRONG!
There was, simply, no one else to kill. EPA went from a "black city" to a "latino city" almost over night! What happens in larger cities?
Folks just have to(and will) wait-it-out! The inability to "break a few eggs" leaves no other choices. Consequently, cries of education, vigilantism, etc. fall on deaf ears;not to mention frustrating!
As a black dude, I feel as sad and desperate as Walter Williams(illustrated by our remedies).
I claim that illegitimacy is the dark elephant in the room- but then, the answers start to get more complicated; and the silence more deafening!

duck
to make that many teeth would require the world's total productrion of porcelin fgor many years. Besides I always found a four tooth smile very appealing, especially on a 21 year old

We have things backward.
A few examples:

If you improve your home, the tax assessor adjusts your state equalized value, and you end up paying more in taxes. Punishment for improvement.

If you make more money (I'm not talking about the super rich), the government moves you into a higher tax bracket, and you pay more in taxes. More punishment for improvement.

If your city has a high crime rate, you get more tax money. Money for failure.

If your schools fail, you get more per student.
More money for failure.

Let's reverse it:

If you improve your home, your taxes go down.
If you earn more money, your tax rate goes down.
If your city can't control crime, your federal tax handout goes down.
If your city schools fail, they get less tax money per student.
If your local politicians get caught in crime and/or corruption, the feds reduce the tax handouts.

Imagine how long a Marion Barry would last in office.

Imagine rewarding responsibility, prosperity and personal success. Then again, it's a nightmare for the leftist who counts on dependent people and failure. Their philosophy demands it.

What the government finances, it gets more of.





Not an answer
Anthony Thomas responds, "Many African Americans are very proud of their African Lineage. Africa is where many African American's get some of their cultural traits from. During the slave trade our families were torn apart and broken up, and technically we still have relatives on the continent of Africa."

Sir, your response does not address my points at all. My Grandparents, all four of them were born in Ireland, came here, became naturalised American citizens. They could have called themselves "Irish-Americans" but did not. My parents, now deceased were born here. Despite the fact that they were proud of their Irish heritage, they were Americans, not "Irish-Americans." I was born here, which means I am an American. I don't think of, nor put the name of some other country, or continent ahead of America, and neither should you.

You write that during the slave trade (which was conducted to a great extent by Arabs, who still countenance slavery)families were broken up and torn apart. And during The Great Hunger in Ireland in the mid 1700s, Irish families were broken up, torn apart (in some cases by starving to death), and as a result many came here. So how does that alter the fact that people born here are Americans, not hyphenated Americans.

You also write that "technically we still have relatives on the continent of Africa." Name two! In fact, I actually have relatives in Ireland, but that does not make me an "Irish-American."

It is perfectly all right to maintain a knowledge of your ancestry, and of the customs and history of the place from which your ancestors came. That said, if you are an American, then be one, and don't hyphenate yourself. Don't be misled by the current fallacy that there is strength in diversity. Strength is in unity, and we need to be strong today more than ever.

Parker -- Radar Guns
Parker, your posting of Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 10:21 AM contained so much truth IT HURT.

OUCH!!

Black Knight writes:
Reply to Walter Williams
Money laundering, in its own right, is a serious threat to our national and economic security.
Integrating illicit proceeds into the financial system enables organized crime, fuels corruption, and erodes confidence
in the rule of law.

Reply to Black Knight: No body is making excuses for these two people they way they make excuses for poor blacks. Look at how Mike Vick is being treated in the press. They are already trying to figure a way to keep him in the game and not throw away the season. Ya see dog fighting is a cultural thang and us white folks jus don't git it. Schamizzle! Da man jus trine to keeps him down. Just axe da res of da bruthas day tell ya!

Loyal Democrat writes:
Don't force blacks to act white.
Violence, drug abuse, rape, and murder are all part of black culture. As such, the activities should be condoned instead of shunned.

You left out dog fighting.


Guardian Angels
The Guardian Angels, started by Curtis Sliwa in the 70's, sounds pretty much about the type of thing Williams is talking about here. They wore their little red berets and T-shirts as their "uniform" and patrolled the subways and streets of New York.

I'm kind of surprised no one has mentioned them as yet.

Whoops
My mistake: Christopher Parisho mentioned the Guardian Angels.

Clarification
Anthony Thomas writes, "It is not meant to be a slap in America's face even though you feel that it is."
You misunderstand my motivation. I suppose that, because I am an engineer, I like accuracy. I am also enamoured of the English language, and I like to see that used accurately. Thus, I take issue with the term "native American" for American Indians, because eveyone who is born in this country is a "native" American, because "native" indicates the place where you were born, where your "nativity" occurred. I already gave you my rationale for people not "hyphenating" themselves unless they are emigrants who became naturalised citizens.
Oh, and another thing that you may or may not agree with, whenever I have to fill up a form that asks for my "race" and gives me a list of alternatives, I always check "other," and write in "human." To date, no one has challenged that claim.

Cheers,

H.

anthony thomas
you claim many blacks have pride in african heritage. I however doubt that many could fully trace their ancestry to any particular coiuntry within africa but only to africa in general. I would suggest that it would be far more productive to view yourselves as americnas first instead of relying on the identifier african american. Who by the way has any misunderstanding of your continent of originality. The continued use of this phrase implies some level of special status. I would suggest that rather than continuing to look to the dims and their failed anti poverty programs a new type of attitude be subscribed to that entails one of self accomplishment. No one is going to find a place for you except at the finges of society. We honor accomplishmnet but close our eyes to those who are satisfied with the status quo they find themselves in. It doesn't take a genius to recognize there are many problems facing the cities with majority black communities and after 40 years of failed anti poverty programs things look far worse than better. But until blacks demand that local officials do their jobs, until blacks decide they won't tolerate criminals in their midst, until blacks demand that their cities educate their children and place a snense of pride in the ability to master basic skills and to move beyond those basics nothing will change. Liberal programs claim they want you to succeed, however after these many years who can point to any city with a majority black population and see successes. There is no easy solution but black leaders are obligated to look to other ideas to save their communities. Pride in accomplishment is far more important than pride in being black

Anthony
Alas, it is indeed sad to see an Uncle Tom in action. Don't reject black culture, because its preservation is of utmost importance.

Many blacks realize that people such as Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell are sellouts, whereas Tupac and Dog Fighter Mike are cultural icons. Regardless of your traitorous words, the statistics on violence in the black community speak for themselves. Violence is a part of the black culture, and shame on you for eschewing the lifestyles of certain minorities. Keep up that line of thinking and the next thing we'll hear from you is some idiocy about how wrong it is for Muslims to sell their daughters to old men, treat their wives like livestock, and murder non-believers. Such cultural insensitivity hurts my ears.

At least you still maintain allegiance for Democrats, to whom blacks owe everything. Without such help, blacks could never hope to accomplish anything on their own. If it were not for white men like Byrd, Edwards, Kennedy, and Gore, blacks would not have accomplished anything in the last five centuries.

Ran
There use to be the concept of a "civilian arrest" in this country. However, that practice has long been destroyed by the Leftist view of having the government do everything.

Anthony Thomas writes:
I know exactly why you bring this up, and yes it is important. Mainly because it has a lot to do with the crack epidemic of the 80's and how that crack got into our communities.(Iran/Contra affair?) But like you said, "that's another topic for another day"

That's a new one. Blame RWR and Ollie North for the crack epidemic of the 80s. My dad is an alcoholic is FDR to blame cause he was behind the push to end prohibition?

Vic
Actually, the institution of gun control into British Common Law supports the thesis that dictators support gun control. It wasn't until Cromwell became Lord Protector, that Britain had laws against commoners carrying arms in the countryside. In fact, the wording of many state "right to bear arms" constitutional and statutory provisions are explicitly worded as responses tot he Cromwellian statutes preventing citizens from bearing arms. (Yes, much as he appears to be a "protector of the people" in some histories, Cromwell was pretty much the first populist dictator of the English speaking world.)

Anyway, the common law, in general was very anti-arms control, and the American colonies were largely free of gun control for a long time. I know this is subject to some academic dispute at the moment, but from my own reading I have to say I disagree with your position that gun control was embedded in common law and was present from the founding of the colonies in America.

Far more likely the original poster was correct, and many of our earliest gun statutes did arise in part as reactions to fears over bands of armed freedmen or escaped slaves.

Crosswise
LOL

Re: Black mayors of "murder" capitals

It is a little known secret that when he was Mayor the late Coleman Young had a deal with the crack dealers in Detroit that he would look the other way on their "business" in return for kickbacks. This had the side benefit of millions of dollars of gov't aid money for "impoverished" and "at-risk" neighborhoods.

The crack went hand-in-hand with prostitution, rape, muggings, and homicide of course.

Detroit did not begin to recover until Young left office.

ANTHONY THOMAS
Idiotic, moronic and childish...so glad to see you understand the concept of "grow up and debate the issues" rather than resort to senseless name-calling. That kind of thin-skinned reaction to obvious sarcasm, however poorly though-out, does nothing to continue the debate.
For the record, I am an American, not European-American, and that does absolutely nothing to diminish my pride of heritage.

andrews
How on earth can you say that English law with Crowell supported "GUN" control and say that it wasn't in the English Common Law? Have you forgotten why the Brittish and Ammericans had their initial fight? The British were going to capture powder and lead.

Parden me because I am slower than normal wify and I went to lunch today so crown has taken me over.

Request for information
Can anyone substantiate the allegation that it was "corrupt bureaucrats" who were responssible for "importing" crack? Exactly who were these people, and what and where is the proof that they did what is alleged.

wbheff
The allegation that the CIA is responsible for "crack" has been out there for a long time. It ranks up there with the rest of the insane conspiracies. Have you seen Elvis today>

Loyal Democrat
I love you! Let's make a baby so we can abort it later^^

Andres
Parden that last response. I will retire for tonight.

Anthony Thomas
Let me guess, Aliens brought crack to AREA 51 and stored it in the Television Studio where The Moon Landing was filmed.

P.S. If you run short of TinFoil, see one of Ronnie Paul’s ALCOAettes.

Alice Lillie
Thank you for a sane voice in this mess. Good point about relieving the police to pursue real criminals rather than sinners.

If I may, I would take your idea a step further and point out the consequences of the legalization of drugs - it would immediately crash the price of drugs, taking away a lot of profit motive by drug dealers, hence fewer of them, and the ones remaining will have less competition, hence less territorial disputes, i.e. violence.

Second, with very cheap drugs, addicts will not find the need to rob, burgle, and mug to support their habits, a further reduction in crime.

Third, addicts and dealers will no longer be incarcerated where they have learned to be criminals, but will be seen as others in their communities as people needing help, further building the community in a cooperative fashion, rather than an us vs. them mentality.

BTW, I like your blog, don't agree with some of your views, but you give me things to think about.

wiseone
i was under the impression there is not much progress in detroit. A recent study claimed an adult illitereacy rate in detroit of 40%. This is my first year in the last 25 that I have not visited detroit. I also attended college there in the late 60's. Detroit has a very long way to go to recovery. I thought that last fall with the possibility of a new mayor things might start to improve but they re elected the same corrupt mayor. It appears the residents are content with the status quo

anthony thomas
I think the more important issue is getting rid of the crack. Citizens deserve more possibilities in life than a life ending addition to a drug. How, when, or why it got here doesn't solve the problem

Vic
Yes, there really was VERY little in the common law in terms of gun control excluding Cromwell's reign. (see for example: http://www.guncite.com/journals/senrpt/senhardy.html ).

I don't recall any seizing of balls and powder as inspiring our revolution. I do recall a lot about taxes and representation. Don't quite understand what you are getting at.

Common Law
As far as saying ti wasn't in common law, but was instituted by Cromwell, it makes perfect sense.

Common law is the body of precedents built up over centuries, and codified in parliamentary statutes. Cromwell kept reducing the parliament until he ruled essentially by personal decree. To say Cromwell's decrees were not common law is not that strange a position. They may have had force of law, but they largely disappeared following the death of tumbeldown Dick, and had no real influence on the future development of common law.

Cromwell's decrees were a side trip away from the main line of the development of common law.

Nothing but net
Gun control isn't a solution.
Gun control is a question.
And the answer is NO

Anthony Thomas
You Think Wikipedia is a Reliable, Unbiased, Credible, Source?!

You must get Tinfoil by the Truckload!

Uhmmm?
Could a white supremacist from South Africa immigrate to the US and call himself an African-American?

anthony thomas
wickipedia is an online site that people can add information to. They recently announced they would have to edit entries that were made to their site. All information gleaned for them may not be factual, but rather based on someone's opinion.

Anthony Thomas
Wikipedia can be edited by anyone with an account! This is what Liberals call a CREDIBLE SOURCE!

Authoritative sources
I must concur with Georgetwin, Wikipedia is not an authoritative nor reliable source. Unless such a souce can be provided, then there are no facts to substantiate the rumours. The rumour that the CIA or some other federal agency was beind some nefarious plot is, as was mentioned above, just another lunatic conspiracy theory. That said, these theories are often highly amusing. Try searching on the key words "dulce and aliens" and you will find some truly hilarious stuff.

WbHeff-WildWest
ANOTHER MOONBAT EXPOSED!

Icedog
If he became an American citizen, yes.
As an Italian-Irish-Scottish-German-Native-American, I must say:
Hyphenators Unite!

Anthony thomas
I also live in Philadelphia fof whatever it means. Your stuff on crack is a non-sequitiuir. I assume neither you nor I use crack. I assume neither you nor I knock up women and runaway. I assume neither you nor I drive our cars at 100mph on city streets; I assume neither you nor I if we hit someone with our car run away.
So the fact that crack is available or that car can go 100mph where they should not go has nothing to do with the misuse of such. Do you understand? Then dont bring up nonsense such Iran Contra.
It is the CULTURE and apologia for that culture by the likes of hip hop and the tolerance of such; everyone excite about Imus; none of your leaders are excited about hip hop; jacksons and sharpton get hot in the pants about one lying black girl at DUke and could care less about black culture that is ruining blacks ad ruining neighorhoods. The only reason sharpton and Jackson have power is because of people like yourself.
As for the dems curing the problems. Who is in favor of vouchers? Do you think the teachers union are interested in creative things for the black community? No. But yet it these ;unions that vote for the dems and the dems are in hock to them. You dont learn. Your politics has been a failure and you still throw up the same stuff.

anthony thomas
You lack an education in economics and that is why your stuff on crack is nonsense. Demand is the key word. If there is demand for something and illegal, then there will always be a blackmarket in a free country such as ours. So the problem is not the drug dealers; you can't stop it anymore than during prohibition you stop alcohol. It is the demand of a signfiicant portion of blacks in urban areas withut family structure that create the crack problem. That is why Cosby is right. It is the Culture, get it.

Now you tell me how you would go about changing that culture.

Anthony Thomas
Any Credible Source will do.

Did Crack come to ALL of America or just Black Neighborhoods?

Anthony Thomas
Bit of an elitist, college, snob aren't you!

Anthony Thomas
Bit of an elitist, college, snob aren't you!

afro-american nonsense
Fred Douglass would have never called himself an afro-american; he was versed in Western Culture; shakespeare.
If the crime rate of blacks was the same as whites; if blacks did not ask for extra points on the SAT to bump off whites getting into colleges; if blacks did not ask for affirm action, the term afro-american and black would almost dissapear from the language just is italian, irish are not frequently used anymore. When the Irish first came to this country they were a problem; hence, Irish meant bad apples even tho every Irishman was not bad.

Jesse jackson's famous quote sums up why the word black is used. You remember his famous quote when he said that when he walks in Wash DC and turns around hearing footsteps, he is relieved to see a white face. When that dissappears, then afro-american and black will dissapear for the most part.

More comments
Authoritative sources.

If I so choose, I can go to wikipedia and put in whatever I want, and I can edit entries to add whatever lunatic conspiracy theory I want. I cannot do that to real encyclopdeias, nor to real dictionaries. I thought educated people knew that.The political positions ascribed correctly to the Democrat party are inimical to individual freedom, and to America. The Democrat party believes, and operates in accordance with the belief that "minorities" in general and Blacks in particular cannot succeed on their own, but must be "helped" by beneficient "liberal" Democrat politicians. This is both condescending and racist. The Republican party, excluding RINOs, believes that people are capable of succeeding on their own, given the opportunity. Equality of opporunity is the correct way to proceed, not some attempt to enforce equality of results, which is the basis of affirmative action, or, more correctly, the impostition of racial quotas.
Advice to whomever may choose to heed it. Take responsibility for yourself and your actions. Focus on the future and accomplishing your goals. Stop blaming others for your lack of success, stop focussing on the past, and you can succeed. You can also be a failure if you want to, it is always your choice.

anthony thomas
Get off the nonsense. Suppose it true that some coke came in during Iran contra. So what. If it did happen, are you saying that there would not be crack problem. That is what I mean that you are irrelevant. That was many years ago. What does it have to do with crack problem now or heroin problem or all other drugs or men abandoning their children etc etc.

Dont get off on tangents to make points.

Gun Control
Has been aimed at blacks for a long time. It's another liberal failure that has disproportionately affected blacks more than any anyone else.

When they are trying to outlaw "saturday night specials", they were going after a cheap gun that was originally called the "n****rtown Saturday night special". They had to take the first part out of it to hide the fact that the outlawing of such guns was basically aimed at disarming black people.

Yet, when a liberal sees a black Republican, they immediately think "self hating sellout". Funny how white liberals that would never set foot in a working class neighborhood, black or white, yellow or brown, have ordained themselves the champions of the same.

bman
btw when those pushers brought in all that crack, did they also point guns at the heads of the addictsd and force them to use it. It seems there is an issue concerning personal responsibility over any one's personal actions

cure for anthony thomas
Why dont you write a letter to one of the following and ask them to adopt you for one year so you can get the cobwebs out of your mind of being a victime. Anyone will do

Tom Sowell
Walt williams
Shlby Steele
Stephen Carter(more on the liberal side)
John McHorter
Condi Rice

What do you have to lose.

Racism isn't color blind
Anthony Thomas' response to Duck proves that Anthony himself is one bigoted, parasitic racist.

(While the Hammite race consists of the highest percentage of racists of any of the 3 major races, those hammites that are not racists are some of the best American citizens.)

Anthony...
Call me the lone voice in the Democrat wilderness. I know my writings do not express the opinions of Democrats. One only needs to review the postings at DailyKos of HuffPost to verify that.

anthony thomas: a question
Here is a test for you. Your mother is quite sick. You have a choice only between a white Dr and black one; you know nothing about them except color. You have to make an immeidate choice. Whom do you pick. You can also choose to flip a coin.

I pick the white one. And after your answer I will explain why. FYI, I had a hip replacement done at HUP by a black Dr. Dr. Nelson. I indicate that to illustrate that I do not have any aversion to black anything. So, that may give you a hint why in the problem I gave to you, why I chose the white Dr. Looking forward to your answer and then I will give my reasons.

Anthony Thomas
I applaud you for having the strength to point out the history of CIA drug traffiking. Again, I'm not going to debate it. Too tired. Too busy to.

Ignore some of these posters with such a venomous tones and nefarious agendas. Pray for them.




On the article.......
Again,

While I usually disagree with Walter most of the time, I agree with him somewhat on this issue. Crime shouldn't be tolerated anywhere. He also mentions the fact that there is a "high tax" for being in neighborhood that is crime ridden and poverty stricken. That is very true.

Ellison
You are a hack. Tell me how come you and I are not on crack because of the CIA. Tell me how even if true how that explains the problem of single parenthood, crack in the ghettoes, etc. You are attempting to pull a rabbit out of the hat that explains all these ills to deflect from the real problem.

Ralphie...
A racist? You wound me!

I am merely parroting what my Democrat bretheren make all too clear: Blacks cannot succeed in white society without special help. Without affirmative action, lowered entrance exam requirements, and other special considerations, blacks just couldn't rise to the level of their white counterparts. Heck, Even Sharpton and Jackson are with me on this one. Are THEY racists?

Parker
Do you think the police set their priorities?? The politicians (city council, mayor, etc, almost all of whom are libs) set the priorities. Now given that information what do you think the politicians set as priorities? Protecting people from criminals which will result in anger from the criminals and media (no pun intended) or go raise more money for them to p*** away.

len
"You are a hack. Tell me how come you and I are not on crack because of the CIA"

You amuse me. As to how we aren't. Ican say luck, chance, lots of prayer, divine intervention, the right parents, breaks, guardian angels. Life is like that. Things can change in a second.

As to your frequent love of Frederick Douglass, Did you ever read ""The Heroic Slave"?

Also, I love this quote by him,

"America is false to the past, false to the present, and solemnly binds herself to be false to the future"

I also love this quote,

"If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning"

Agitate, Agitate, Agitate!!!!!

ellison
Tricky. You did not answer what relevance the alleged cia cocaine business had to do with the problems in urban black communities. The only reason to bring it up is to attempt to explain the problems by some sort of virus that was introduced by the evil white man; and that is the explanatoin of the problems. And if it were not for that than all black commuties would consist of nice middle class people like you, assumng such is true of you. And you know that is nonsense. That is why I called you a hack.

AS for Douglass, what was relevant then , is not relevant now. And what Douglass meant was that blacks should have constitional rights. Nobody disagrees with that and that has been accomplished. And given that, you should pay attention to what else Douglass said: :Leave us alone. But no, the current crop of black leaders want special rights like extra sat points and so forth. That was not the Douglass legacy.
The Doublass legacy is likes of self-made men and woman like Sowell, Williams, Rice and not the special pleaders who because they are black deserve extra points on the sat to get into college ahead of others.

The lowest common demoninator of the black community sharpton, jackson are the voice of average black man; this is not the legacy of a Fred Douglass.

ANTHONY THOMAS

.....Whenever I see posts that link to other sites I just skip over them and ignore the poster ...

.....This forum is for open debate ...if you do not have an original thought in your head that you can discuss intelligently with other posters then I suggest you stop wasting our time ...

.....THOMAS/ELLISON ...

.....I think you two are both perfect Democrats ...neither of you has ever had an original thought in your head ...you are easily swayed by slogans and spin ...you are both receptive to class warfare arguements ...you think if something comes from the Government it is "free" but if something is produced in the market place for "profit" it is evil ...you are loyal to a Party that has sold you out and plays you for fools to get your vote ...

.....You are the backbone of the Democrat Party .....COLOSSUS

The big lies
are that blacks can only succeed in integrsted schools, schools ALWAYS need more money, and urban minority populations are violent.

1) Blacks in shacks in the South during segegation sharing torn books and without AV or computers or anything like today's educational necessities learned the "king's English" and a Western liberal arts and sciences curriculum that was taught everywhere else. Blacks, under slavery, often in situations that were legally banned, taught one another in secret, created the entire gospel genre, and laid the foundations for America's only indigenous music that is now worldwide.

No consistent longitudinal study has conclusive proven blacks cannot learn without white or other ethnic integration. A current Harvard study of many thousands now seems to show people respond less well in PC environments. It's not that I don't think we should all get along, I work in teaching and coaching all the time for all students to tolerate and accept and appreciate one another. However, the truth of the old saw "Birds of a feath flock together" is a human reality. Forced busing and restricted school choice has never yet proven the best learning situation for all.

3) Am. pub. schools cost the US 1/2 a trillion a year. If school crime, teen pregnancy, and drug use by youths were counted, the cost would be a trillion or a 7th of the budget. (The fed. budget is c. $48 billion, because schools are basically locally funded.) Bush has doubled fed. spending each year in office (I would have no dep't of Ed., a waste, and merely an NEA sop), altho' fed monies are only 10 cents on the dollar for gen. ed. 85 percent of all school budgets is staff salaries, so the constant cry for more money is really a chronic campaign for higher salaries.


Icedog
Theresa Heinz-Kerry could credibly call herself African-American because she's from South Africa, and is now an American citizen. Now, whether she's a white supremicist remains a mystery. (kidding)

conclusion
3) Minority on minority crime is an urban problem, but one time, with a solid middle class, places like Harlem were world famous for arts and culture. Drugs have been one of the worst lib. devestations perpetuated on the entire country. And constantly, you hear about cigarettes and alcohol problems, but rarely does the media get really worked up about the depredations of illegal drugs, the brain damage, learning abiltities short-circuited, futures ruined. I think libs. all love to have a slum area they can cruise for their own sex and drug needs.

ANTHONY THOMAS

.....What do you really know about Africa? ...

.....How many countries are a part of the Continent? ...how many different ethnic groups? ...how many seperate languages? ...to which region can you trace your ancestors? ...

.....Let's face it Anthony ...you use your African-American label as a weapon to express your anti-white racism ...you hate White America ...that is the bottom line behind all your rants .....COLOSSUS

Relax Whites--you have been forgiven


Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon Granted to
All Persons of European Descent

Whereas, Europeans kept my forebears in bondage some three centuries toiling without pay,

Whereas, Europeans ignored the human rights pledges of the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution,

Whereas, the Emancipation Proclamation, the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments meant little more than empty words,

Therefore, Americans of European ancestry are guilty of great crimes against my ancestors and their progeny.

But, in the recognition Europeans themselves have been victims of various and sundry human rights violations to wit: the Norman Conquest, the Irish Potato Famine, Decline of the Hapsburg Dynasty, Napoleonic and Czarist adventurism, and gratuitous insults and speculations about the intelligence of Europeans of Polish descent,

I, Walter E. Williams, do declare full and general amnesty and pardon to all persons of European ancestry, for both their own grievances, and those of their forebears, against my people.

Therefore, from this day forward Americans of European ancestry can stand straight and proud knowing they are without guilt and thus obliged not to act like damn fools in their relationships with Americans of African ancestry.


Walter E. Williams, Gracious and Generous Grantor


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anthony thomas
Do you lack the courage to tackle my question. It gets to the heart of the problem with affirmative action. Have the courage. Dont be an intellectul coward.

Be honest
If you live in a crime infested project its by choice.. not necessarially choice that you moved in but choice that you and the other people living their have allowed it to continue its downward spiral. Stand up take some initiative and have some damn self respect and quit asking everyone else to do it for you. How many kids go to schools that p*** poor from those neighbor hoods, why are the schools p*** poor partly because the parents dont care and dont raise hell. the school certainly doesnt care. why try when 70-80% arent going to stick around untill graduation anyway.

anthony thomas
You did not answer my question or rather you did not get the point. I would pick the white doctor, knowing nothing about either, because I am under the impression that affirm action has both allowed less qualiffied blacks into medical school and graduated people who were not qualified. I have gotten this info from reading Sowell, Williams and interns I have spoken to in hospitals.

Do I know to be true. Know, I dont have hard evidence, but I trust Sowell and Thomas who have around universities.

But no one ever has hard evidence. One cant afford to hire a private investigator. Knowledge costs.

So when I have to make an important decision such as choosing a Dr where I know nothing but color, I have to go on the evidence even if it is not hard. That is the nature of how most of us make decisions.

And so that is the legacy of affirmative action. And that means that competent blacks will suffer from this.

You have never thought of this.

anthony thomas
Are blacks discrininated against.

You have to be more explicit. As far as law goes, No. You can complain about racial profiliing for crime but as you know in our city Nutter, the next mayor, black, has without saying so promoted racial profiling in asking police to frisk for guns. And who is going to be frisked; the ones with hi probability of having guns that kill and that will be blacks. OF course the purpose is to save the honest citizen blacks like you. But you might shout it is not fair to save you.

I think the anti-discrim laws have led to discrimination for blacks. I have stated before that everything else being equal, I prefer to hire white males. And that is if I want to run a good organization and make a profit or educate people, I want the best, Hiring is always a chancy process. And so you want to be able to fire if need be. But to fire a black, a female, you always face a lawsuit that is costly even if you win. So in that sense these anti-discrim laws have hurt blacks because people get around them to avoid problems. Again someting you never thought of.

anthony thomas

there are other discriminations much more subtle. The school system stinks.
It is resistant to change because of unions who are not responsive to change and only have the interest of the financial benefit of the teachers. The unions are in the pocket of the dem party and hence the dem party is paralyzed in producing any change, You would not consider that discrimination, but it is, and black leadership is responsible for that.

Phila is a union town which prevents competition from enterprizing people including blacks. Again unions in pocket of dems.

There is not much to be done about that except radical change in politics; blacks should support republicans to counter the union control. Something else you never thought of.

Blacks need leadership to get rid of the political class that they normally vote for that screws them. Takes some thinking.

anthony thomas
discrimination is not the problem. Inner city depravity is a problem for a singifincant number of blacks. You cant get anywhere with an education and spealking proper English.

Blacks with education can get jobs. And very smart blacks are grabbed up companies all the time.

the chinese were exposed to cruel treatment when they came here. But culutre and culture and culture is the answer. Not the big bad white man.

anthony thomas
out to supper.

Crime is a problem
but all sections of Am.'s population have successfully used schools to advance.

The Irish, denied public ed., formed parochial schools and defied pub. authorities. They had gangs and crime (the Paddy wagon comes from the Irish), but then they moved into firefighting, the police, and teaching to get a leg into the middle class.

All of the immigrants at the turn of the 20th C. from Eastern and Southern Europe used the schools. They often had classes of 60 and 70 and suffered corporal punishment, but an entire generation of foreign-born were assimilated through the pub. schools.

Some city and minority schools have been allowed to wallow in substandard conditions that it's criminal we have mandatory attendance laws for them. Black leaders first implemented the voucher movement (although the idea comes from cons. think tanks), but they fight a terrible political and social battle in their communities. They are opposed by ed. unions and by the pols. who benefit by union votes.

If people can march in the streets over something they think a cop did wrong, they can organize and get schools into better shape, form neighhood groups to effect better parenting, walk kids to school so they avoid gangs, call the pol. a million-gadzillion times if prostitutes and drug dealers have taken over the street corner. Take pics. Call the newspapers. The same techniques that secured full civil rights in the South can surely produce better schools and societal attention anywhere.

Libs create the turbulance!
__The liberal agenda was born in the sixties,out of discriminatory practices to blacks,women,the poor,underprivileged,etc.,etc.,etc.America,has a society,united,of the majority,raised their voices,and steps were taken to correct deficiencies.The civil rights movement.Many of us lived it,were a part of it.Laws were made,to ensure,every American was provided an equal chance to follow their dreams according to their strength,and abilities.The libs,and factions,found profit in lifes turbulance.Those programs created around this legislation,became their money tree.Does it not seem odd to you all, the need increases,not decreases?The private interprise sector,that grew up,and benefits from government run bureaucracies, continue to grow.They profit from the turbulance, and will keep it going until people are responsible for themselves.Many need a helping hand from time,to time,but they do not need liberal cry babies embracing,and profiting from their turmoil.

Liberal Views, Victims and Self Preserva
This is one of the most cogent pieces I’ve read on the subject of government responsibilities and self defense/preservation. It is unfortunate that those who need to exercise this natural right of self protection are often so indoctrinated against the most effective means of preserving their existence when encountering a violent a criminal. The gun.

Guns offer good people a very effective means to successfully triumph over evil people. Not all persons will have the will or desire to become defenders of the innocent, themselves included. There will always be those that cannot or will not rise to the roll of Shepard but is never permissible for our government to disallow this natural right that is protected by our very constitution disregarding the twisted meanings that many liberal minded individuals try and apply to this document. For those that will rise and accept this task, the sheep and the Shepards welcome your good faith.

Law abiding Christians and other denominations and faiths are often confronted with instructions and ideals from their trusted clergy that, in my opinion do not properly address the natural right and responsibility of individual citizen to defend themselves against criminal acts or as some would describe them “evil acts of violence”. It is my fervent belief that the commandment, “Thou shalt not kill” is intended to instruct persons against initiating and committing “evil acts of violence” and is not intended to preclude acts of self defense. These acts of self defense include the protection of the “self” as well as the defense of the innocent against evil.

If all good people were to reject the right to self defense, then the “sheep” would eventually be slaughtered and only the “evil ones” would remain. The Shepard is prominent is scriptures of all faiths and their duties are clear. If I were to presume to interpret the commandment for others, I might best phrase it as “Thou shalt not kill with evil intent”

Questions on Affirmative Action
Ok, I'll ask a couple of questions that I asked in a different forum and never got an answer. This one is pretty active so maybe someone will answer it for me.

1. What evidence can you produce that indicates that racism is any more than a minor inconvenience to any smart, persistent minority.

2. Nevermind whether AA was "necessary" 50 years ago. What measurement(s) would you use that would indicate that it is no longer necessary *now*.

In particular:

There are more black business owners today.

There are more black millionaires today.

There are more black CEO's today.

We have black mayors, black governors, black representatives. We might just get a black president.

Taken as a separate country, blacks in America would be something like the 15th wealthiest nation on earth. Not too shabby for only 12% of the population.

So the question is, what measurement would you use to say, OK, fine, AA has done its job, it's finally time to get rid of it.

In answering this question, please remember that equal opportunity does not mean equal results. I do not expect the NBA to be made up of 80% whites and 4% Asians, simply because America is. Show me a law, a rule, a regulation, even something under-the-table, that prevents Asians from joining the NBA *because* they're Asians, and you have a case of racial discrimination. But if, instead, it's simply that Asians aren't good enough at basketball (not being as tall as Yao Ming), then there is no case.

Another race?
Dr. Williams, you bring out the worst in me; here are my disgusting thoughts: It looks like the liberals, like Dr. Frankinstine. have invented a new Race; call it what you want, but it don't resemble the the race I grew up to love and respect.,
They don't talk like us.
I can't understand their music.
Wouldn't be caught dead in one of the cars they drive.
Hell, they even breed differently. The out-of-wedlock position.

This experiment in socio-engeneering has gone to far. Dr. Williams, you need to start teaching first grade teachers how to make kids think for themselves. This new soul train has jumped the tracks.

Anthony Thomas on AA
Anthony Thomas: "I don't think affirmitive action has changed the power stucture in our society one bit."

It's supposed to change the power structure? ?? ??


"It only wishes to make amends for past injustices, like it or not."

You can not make amends for past injustice by creating more injustice. You create justice by creating justice.

anthony
you:
k, do you have the slightest clue why affirmitive action policies were put into place in the first place. They didn't just fall out of the sky you know. There was a specific reason they were created
_________
After the civil wqr during Reconstruction, we had affirmative action of a different kind. In that case schools were set up for blacks. That is how Booker T Washington among others got their start. But that kind of affirm action did not take away from anyone. I agree that we could use affirm action but not the kind you have in mind. The kind you have in mind is to discount merit and put less qualified blacks into places where they are qualified and to discrimiante against merit. What affirmative action you need is starting at elementary school to educate blacks and for that matter poor whites to compete. Now why that affirmative action. Ask yourselrf. Because the entrenched teachers are against merit in teaching and innovation. And also now the culture has changed where self-esteem baloney is given instead of competence. Affirmative action as practiced anly helped those blacks in the middle classes and had no effect on most blacks.

Affirmative action initially was thought that if everything equal in merit, give blacks a preference. Well, everything was not equal, and hence unqualified blacks got into schools where they cound not compete and dropped out. It also led to whites getting angry because they had better scores and were passed over. Just imagine blacks getting better scores and getting passed over!
Affirmative actions should mean mentoring, big brothers, encouraging two parent families. That would solve many problems. But that is hard so the easy way was taken to just shove blacks into college who were not prepared/


anthony
you:
Now if you want to make the case that blacks are no longer discriminated against (this is why I asked that question), and therefore do not need affirmitive action, that's a valid position. I just don't agree with it.

Who heads most fortune 500 companies?
What color are most of their employees?
What is the race of most of the students at our most prestigous universities ?
How many blacks are there, or have there ever been in the senate? The office of the President? On the Supreme Court? 2 or 3 in our history
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Blacks only constitute 12% of the population so why would you expect them to be in droves in the above. Secondly, and you wont like this, blacks scores lower than whites in IQ and achievement exams; hence, you wont get that many in prestigious universities. The most you might expect if everything equal in in IQ and sat scores is 12% in Harvard and Yale. But you cant get even tho these universities would love to have it because there are not enough blacks to make it. The best schools eat up the best blacks; and after that when you come to the 2nd tier schools, there are not enough blacks to qualify because of the IQ distirubtion and SAT distrubition. On the other hand, Asians are over representated in the best schools relative to their population because of high IQ and high SAT scores. Then Jews, then whites in general. And these Asian kids aint coming from rich families.



anthony
you
I don't think affirmitive action has changed the power stucture in our society one bit. It only wishes to make amends for past injustices, like it or not.
__________
As I pointed out the only way to make amends for past injustices is to improve the black family so there are two parent families; education is valued as in Asian communities and no oreo. Now how is the govt supposed to do that. You are looking for magic. The govt passes a law and you have a 2nd coming and all blacks are like Asian. Things dont work that way. If anthing, welfare programs destroyed the black family and are responsible for the mess we have now. Not some magic discrimination. Ask yourself why even during slavery many blacks in the north made it. Ask yourself why in the 1940's blacks in seg schools in MD out performed whites in DC. Ask youself why during ww1 blacks in the north outperformed whites in the south on the army tests. And those were the days of real discrimination.
Blacks or a good percentage of them are not making it not because of discrimiantion but as a result of a culture that does not promote the right habits as in the Asian community. Tell me how govt easily solves that problem and what so called discrimination has to do with that.

Did you know that when you equate for income, social class, that blacks score lower than whites in IQ and SAT. Now how is a law going to deal with that. IT is either biology or culture. PAss a law to solve that? And ask yourself why Blacks from the Carib Islands and from Africa do much better than native American blacks. It would suggest culture.


unca alby
some years ago while I was living in cleveland one of those liberal types judges rules that every city school had to have one white starter on the basketball team. You can't believe the hue and cry that emerged from the black community. The judge had no right to impliment this requirement on the blacks. This was also the same judge who forced the schools to find racial quotas that resulted in some students spending hours on buses going to other schools rather than attend the one across the street. That busing also cost millions that came out of the schools budgets that could have been used to fund the purchases of books and supplies. Yet the blacks hailed the forced busing as victory. How do you defeat that level of stupidity and it's accompanying logic

Anthony
The trouble with your take is that you look for magic. Discrimination. Affi.rmative action meaning discount merit.

Well, it is sweat that gets you somewhere. There is no magic. IT is attitude. IT is hard work. IT is spending 4 hours a night on homework. It is having a family structure that supports such.

That is why newly arrived Asians are making it. copy the asians. Dont reinvent the wheel or look for govt for some shortcuts. They dont work.

I had a hip replacement by a black Dr who comes from a family of doctors.
no oreo nonense in that family. Fred Douglass was self-educated and established an atmosphere that his children would be educated. That is the answer.

anthony
Question: Suppose by magic all the blacks in North phila turned white color tomorrow. What would you expect. Some miracle and they all get into Harvard and become CEO's.
Why were the Jews much more successful than the Irish? Same color.

Why were the chinese the jews of asia. That is wherever they went in Asia, they became the businessmen and the wealthy. Same color.

I'm a white oppressor
I'm glad someone is not willing to say that as a white male I am responsible for all the evil in the world.

Affirmative Action
I really don't understand the whole concept behind affirmative action - what does it matter what the color of someone's skin is?
Why should that be a determinant in granting special accomodations to someone? Merit is the ONLY determinant I use to hire someone - ability, skill, communication skills. Not whether they are young, old, female, male, fat, thin, tall, short, tattoos or not, liberals or conservatives; why should I hire based on skin color?
In this insane classification system, then albinos would never, ever get hired, because they are too white!

Is Magic a hero? Not in my book.

About a dozen years ago, I had this letter to the Editor published in the LA Times. Here was a man with tons of money, supposedly wanting to help others of his race, and his solution was to build a theater. I know, I know it was his choice, but when you brag you are going to be a help, make sure you really are.
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The letter said:

Magic Johnson

Isn’t it just possible that south-central Los Angeles might need something other than movie theaters that will show Hollywood-produced gang training films? What a waste of money. Think of all the useful things (child-care centers, medical centers, grocery stores, home repair) that could have been created with all that money.

Is Magic a hero? Not in my book.
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A couple of weeks after the article that I responded to was printed, and in the exact same paper this letter appeared, there was a story that Magic donated several million dollars to a church. What timing!

Bman1 writes:
Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 4:26 PM
"Anthony...
Do you not think that because of Affirmative Action that a lot of "African Americans" are thought to have been given a free pass, so to speak, and not earned anything on their own..."

=======================

Perhaps a glance at this week's Boston Globe will help get the point across re: "free pass" etc

Seems the Massachusetts educational system is having a dickens of a time hiring black or hispanic teachers. Why??? Well, they can't pass the necessary tests! It appears that having a "diverse" teaching staff is more important than having a "qualified" teaching staff. And then we wonder why students aren't learning as well as they used to in years past?

So, now the big question is...when is Massachusetts going to lower the required skills level to accommodate the "diverse" educators lack thereof?

Oh yes, more "free passes" on the way!


I believe
that so much of what happens in the black community is almost a self-fulfilling prophesy. They have been told so many times (by the liberal do-gooders) that they are NOT capable of learning as well / or getting as good a job / or getting into a college / or or or - that THEY BELIEVE IT!

Yet, you see people of all colors excel in the military where they are told THEY CAN!

The liberal beliefs that have engulfed our country over the past 40 years have taken away any personal incentive to succeed.

Those who have succeeded have done so against extraordinary circumstances. Undoubtedly they have had strong support and encouragement from parents (2) and a church that helped with the moral teachings.

These are natural parts of life and it is so sad that they are lacking in the poor black communities now. It used to be that to be poor was no crime - now it seems to give rise to anger and even more crime.

Lastly
I'm with Teddy Roosevelt - no hyphenated Americans of any kind whatsoever!!!

And get rid of the hyphenated caucuses in Congress. These are representatives of ALL the citizens of their districts, not just those of a specific culture.

If you serve in Congress, you are an AMERICAN, plain and simple!

AA: thrown in the deep end
People never seem to realize that they are NOT doing a student any favors by putting him in an institution that he is not prepared for. Take a kid of any race that went top low quality public schools for K thru 12: overcrowded classes, indifferent teachers, inadequate materials, etc. Now admit him to an Ivy League University even though he doesn't qualify. Did you really do him a favor? Try asking after he drops out or transfer in his second year.

About vigilantism: I think there might be a few practical problems. Imapct described a great scene for a TV movie: "a hundred or so of the decent people with baseball bats in hand marched down to the street corner where the drug dealers and gangbangers hang out. If those thugs fire one shot, beat them to death. In any case, drive them out."

In reality, who explains to the police that they shouldn't interfere? Who pays for the legal defense when everyone involved is sued for damages? Who hauls away the bodies when the better armed and more vicious gangbangers open up on the crowd with shotguns?

Here's something we could try: less guns AND more guns. Less ILLEGAL guns in the hands of criminals and more LEGAL guns in the hands of citizens. The vigilante idea is very rousing and dramatic, but try to tip the balance of power before the fighting starts.

Anthony Thomas
EVERY society in human history has an ethnicity-based power structure. Why should America be different?

Grumpy
This is why vigilantes need guns.

dbz77
BIG guns. And body armor. RPG's and grenades, too, for assaulting fortified crack houses. Does this really sound like the way to create safe neighborhoods? I am not against vigilantism in principle, I just don't think it'll work. Conservatives are supposed to favor practical, functional solutions over ineffectual, "feel good" solutions, right? Vigilantism is a "feel good" solution.

Just a side thought, here: the right to bear arms for defense against a tyrannical government worked a lot better when there was less difference between military and civilian weapons than there is today. How much good would a .45 and a pump action shotgun do against a SWAT team?

Someone mentioned fighting tanks with rocks in Tiananmen Square: would the students have done better against the tanks if they'd had handguns? Don't get me wrong: I want honest citizens to be armed (with training) but that's to defend against criminals.

anthony
i am disaapointed in you. You have a reflexive action to the difficulties of of a portion of the black comnunity who are a problem and that is:

it is whitey's fault; whitey must make amends such as affirmative action which translates to quotas discarding merit. And you reflexiviely answer that the govt has the answer to these problems.

you have no solutions. IT is a the failed victim approach. And the cure lies with whitey.

andrews
One of the initial battles in the revolution was over arms.

http://www.americanrevolution.com/LexingtonandConcord.htm

ok
what?

Williams chickens out again
I agree with Williams when he says,
"Liberals and their political allies say the problem is the easy accessibility of guns and greater gun control is the solution. That has to be nonsense. Guns do not commit crimes; people do. " However, Williams, like most conservatives, doesn't go far enough. Besides welfare, one of the biggest "causes" of the increase in crime is the "War on Drugs". Williams doesn't even bring this up. To do so, would require people the rethink this whole fake Left/Right paradigm. In this paradigm the Left is anti-gun and pro-drug legalization, or at least soft on crime. (The fact is that liberals are every bit as bloodthirsty when it comes to the war on drugs) and the Right is pro-gun and anti-drug. Williams can't do this. It would upset his position in the Establishment as the "black conservative". Drugs are an inanimate object, just like guns. They cannot cause crime. Besides, up until 1914 there were no drug laws and somehow the country survived. And for all you pro-constitution, limited government conservatives, would you be so kind as to cite the section of the Constitution that allows the Fed. Government to make drugs illegal?

No Police Protection Is Provided
Police are not in the protection business. The courts have ruled that police are not liable even if the victim ask for protection before the crime. That is why Bloomburg has a posse around him at all time in NYC.

Take a gun safty class, arm youself and anticipate that the court will not be on your side if you prevent a crime.

Title change
The article should be titled "Liberal and Conservative Views, Black Victims". The communist/socialist War on Drugs, which is supported by most conservatives and most liberals, is the biggest culprit in the increase of crime in this country. Williams, who perpetuates this false Left/Right paradigm, is your typical dishonest conservative columnist. All's it takes is guts, Walter. Why don't you criticize your fellow conservatives? All this conservative talk of limited government and respect for the Constitution is just empty rhetoric. You're all just apologist for big government.

LysanderSpooner
Do you happen the author of this quote?

Title: Three Cheers for Smugglers
http://www.jewishworldreview.com

"Let's look at prospects. The British weren't successful in stopping our Founders from buying from whom they pleased. Eliot Ness and his team of U.S. Department of Justice agents weren't successful in stopping our parents from boozing it up. The nation's War on Drugs has been a total flop, not only in terms of not eliminating drug trade, but also in turning whole neighborhoods into war zones."

First, we kill all the Proofreaders
1st line should have read,
"Do you happen to know who the author of this quote is?"

Dammit! I still want Answers!!
I still want answers to my questions!!

1. What evidence can you produce that indicates that racism is any more than a minor inconvenience to any smart, persistent minority.

2. Nevermind whether AA was "necessary" 50 years ago. What measurement(s) would you use that would indicate that it is no longer necessary *now*.

I.e., how will we know when we can say, OK, fine, AA has finally done its job, it's time to get rid of it?

Surely somebody out there is so convinced in the existence of the Evil Racist Bogeyman that he's given this matter some thought! I wouldn't have thought these would be tough questions!

Great Article
One of the best articles I've read by Walter Williams.

The man knows what the root of the problem is and how to address it.

Law enforcement can not protect you. Citizens must do it if Law Enforcement won't.

Citizens should arm themselves and know how to make the first shot count.

I don't like yeahoo's running around with guns they don't know how to use either, but we need people who learn how to use a weapon accurately, and laws to allow there use when necessary.

I also agree with the comment made about AA.
It's time to let it go.
It's nothing less than reverse discrimination.




Some really great comments to comment on
First to the poster who asked about the Constitutional provision regarding the Labeling of Certain PLANTS as EVIL! There is no constitutional provision for regulating, and controlling the manufacture, sale, and distribution of certain plants. That would require an amendment to the constitution just as it was required when the Feds took over the Alcohol business. It then took another amendment to relinquish their new found authority. But that was then...Of course, with a little legalese you can convert a PLANT to a DRUG and this supposedly gets you through a legal loophole which makes the plants that God created and called, "Good." Suddenly they are bad. Very Bad...So much for the 'true' bible believin' crowd.

As to the comment regarding police officers aren't paid to 'Protect' anyone. If that is the case then just what is their job? We already have the Tax Department so my earlier suggestion that their new assignment of Highwaymen and Revenuers must be accurate. But in reality they are in the 'Protection' business. They have been since they took the very first bribe from Joseph Kennedy (you know John, Robert and Teddy's Dad) Mafia bosses to ignore those 'illegal' whiskey bottles.

Now cops just generate revenue for their respective jurisdictions and fill out papers. That's about it. They will shoot you though in order to protect the politicians the people keep electing instead of lynching.

Here's a funny story
I know a Vice-President of a small business who was required to meet a quota system in his hiring numbers. So he marks down Joe Smith, an "african-american" from Egypt. Turns out, Mr. Smith doesn't count because he's not from "saharan and/or sub-saharan" africa. He's a black dude who's parents where born in Africa, but he doesn't qualify as "african-american" for quotas systems....

Fortunately, race is not as confusing in America as it is in Latin America. We've broken people down into black and white. They have a sherwin-williams color wheel on their aff action programs.

Unca Alby
Anthony can't answer it, since his only reliable source (wikipedia) has been discredited here.

How do you like his ridiculous claim that we'll all claim that Brittanica is not a credible source? Actually, I'd love to see what Brittanica has to say about crack cocaine and where it came from. I'm sure it doesn't put forth crazy conspiracy theories as if they are facts.


Democrat values
Early in this discussion, Anthony (I think) made the claim that Democrats represent the values of the black community: abortion, affirmative action, etc. Strange, in most recent surveys, we find that blacks are largely Pro-life. It is only young males in the black community that tend to be pro-abortion, since they love when the "ho" they knocked up gets rid of the little b****** (illegitimate child - since this pansy website won't let me use the actual word). That way they don't have to support their child.

For the record, Planned Parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger, a known racist who believed that by promoting abortion she could eliminate the black race - or at least the ignorant ones. She liked having the educated Preachers around; they preached her message for her. She didn't need to get her hands dirty touching the low class blacks. She could wipe them out without ever seeing them. If you want proof of this, read George Grant's book on Planned Parenthood (the title escapes me).

He also made the claim that Democrats didn't support the war. I guess he's been reading Wikipedia for that one too, since nearly every Democrat in Congress voted to authorize the war...before they campaigned against it.

One more thing: is it coincidence that the fastest growing community in the home education movement is the black community? Are parents finally realizing that the liberal promise of overcoming was really about the white liberal establishment overcoming blacks. Whereas in the past, the white libs used fire hoses and attack dogs, they now get willing participation from the black community.

Williams radio program?
I wish Dr. Williams had a radio program to help push back the frontiers of (Liberal) ignorance...

burly ed -- I agree with Anthony
irt to your comments about young black men.

I would, however, also comment that it *is* a fact that too many blacks have children out of wedlock. I don't blame the black community as much as I blame the liberal welfare mindset which has been imposed from without.

But the solutions must come from within.

Anthony Thomas - - my Questions, Please
You have expressed your support for Affirmative Action. I have repeatedly asked a couple of questions about that. Since you're still commenting under this column, and you don't yet need to go to the "archives" to comment, you have no excuse not to respond.

1. What evidence can you produce that indicates that racism is any more than a minor inconvenience to any smart, persistent minority.

2. Nevermind whether AA was "necessary" 50 years ago. What measurement(s) would you use that would indicate that it is no longer necessary *now*.

I.e., how will we know when we can say, OK, fine, AA has finally done its job, it's time to get rid of it?

AT pt 1
Thank you, Anthony. You knew I was going to take your answers apart though, yes?

"1. The brutal killing of James Byrd Jr. in Jasper Texas. (Governor Bush still refused to sign a hate law after this)"

But they *were* convicted of murder and sentenced to death.

You might have a case had they been given community service as punishment.

Also, note the widespread angry reaction over this issue, from both whites and blacks. Again, you might have a case had only blacks gotten upset over it.

"2. The racist sentence of 10 years given to the 17 year boy old Genarlow Wilson for receiving consensual oral sex from a 15 year old girl."

I've heard of this case. You might find this surprising, but this doesn't only occur to blacks. I've heard of a case in Utah where a 12 year old was made pregnant by a 15 year old, and both were arrested for statutory rape.

People in this country are just too hung up over sex. Leftover dredges of Puritanism.

But let's review, shall we? We're talking about racism being "more than a minor inconvenience" to anyone who is "hard-working and persistent." Let's add to this, "waits until after marriage before playing around with sex."

The law in this case is wrong. It's a bad law. It's screwed up. The prosecutor makes Nifong look like Mother Theresa. But this is, in my opinion, NOT the result of racist attitudes from the entire country. Indeed, even the jurists, many of whom were white (or all, I don't remember), were absolutely *shocked* at the penalty.

And speaking of Nifont, I see you didn't bring him up as an example.

AT pt 2
"3. The maximum sentence given to people who are caught with crack compared to those who are caught with cocaine (Most poor blacks cannot afford cocaine, and purchase the cheap version, which is crack. Crack has a much harsher penalty than cocaine. The penalty for using both substances should be the same.)"

Oh, screw that, the entire War on Drugs is racially motivated (IMHO). It's the last vestige of Institutional Racism left in this country.

The first opium laws were written very carefully to include the smoked kind used by Chinese immigrants, but not to include the various forms used by white women in creams, lotions, and edibles.

The first marijuana laws were written to penalize Mexican immigrants and blacks. Indeed, Harry Anslinger, the nation's first "Drug Czar", testified before congress about "those obsessed negro jazz musicians". The Hearst Newspapers (which had just invested a ton of money in a forest of trees to make paper -- which would have been rendered worthless by a new device that made paper more cheaply from marijuana), printed countless articles about how "Marihuana [sic] is responsible for the raping of white women by crazed negroes."

But let's review again, shall we?

So far we have racism being "more than a minor inconvenience" to anyone who "works hard and is persistent", "holds sex off until marriage" (or at least until both parties are of legal age). So now lets add, "stays away from illegal drugs."

I don't think this list is unreasonable, do you?

Personally, I believe drugs should be legalized. Completely. Not decriminalized, not "look the other way," like in Holland. LEGALIZED.

But, in the meantime, it's against the law, and you risk ruining the rest of your life by getting close to it. So stay away.

AT pt 3
"4. Also whenever I enter a store, I'm constantly followed by security as if I was a criminal about to steal something. (This is a passive aggressive version of racism.)"

Know what?

If it bothers you that much, BUY THE DAMN STORE.

In the mean time, this does *nothing* to prevent you from getting a good job, starting a business, making tons of money and becoming successful. As I said, it's a "minor inconvenience."


"5. Say what you will, but I doubt the slow city, state, and federal response to Katrina would have happened had it occurred in an affluent city like New York or San Francisco. There was no rallying around New Orleans, like the rallying around New York after 911."


FEMA screws up ALL the time. They are always at the heart of controversy whenever there's a disaster because they aren't fast enough. We have earthquakes here in California on a fairly regular basis, and FEMA is always criticized for their stupidity and slow response.

But since it was mostly white people complaining, there was no news story.

Furthermore, TONS of Americans, both white and black and every other color, poured their hearts out AND MONEY to Katrina victims. Truck drivers tried to get in with loads of bottle water. Volunteers showed up to help (and were turned away by the authorities) Families all over the nation have "adopted" Katrina victims in their own homes until they can resettle.

Sure, the government screwed up big time. WHAT ELSE DID YOU EXPECT FROM GOVERNMENT? These are, after all, the same people who bring you "Here catch, it's fragile!" post office and the "He can spell his name so he graduates" public schools.

The really scary thing is that folks seriously want these same people to be in charge of our health!

AT pt 4
UA: " Nevermind whether AA was "necessary" 50 years ago. What measurement(s) would you use that would indicate that it is no longer necessary *now*."

AT: "Unca Alby I'm gonna give you a straight up honest answer: I don't know. I really don't."

Where therein lies the rub. Or one of them anyway.

Without a clear, well-defined, measurable goal, how the hell can you know when it's done?

The really scary thing about your response -- you and I might be able to sit down and actually come up with some concrete goals -- nevermind getting anybody else to agree to those measurements -- then decide that AA did its job decades ago!

If it did its job already, what's the point?

Unless it's just a "feel good" exercise in liberal "soft think".

(We get a lot of those these days. Sometimes it really does seem that liberals are brain-damaged. It doesn't matter how much concrete evidence can be gathered that proves their programs DON'T work, they keep trying them over and over. Coz the programs "Feel Good.")

But "feel good" exercises often accomplish nothing at best, or create more problems at worst. "Accomplishing nothing" would be fine if it didn't cost anything. But everything has a cost, including compliance regulations, bureaucracies, inefficiencies, etc.

But then there's all the "worst case" scenarios that I'm sure you've heard already.

If it's not needed, and it's not accomplishing publically stated and measurable, concrete goals, then it's little more than a useless "Good Intentioned" program.

You know where "Good Intentions" lead, right?

Speaking of Government Stupidity
We had an instance a while back in California where a train load of hazardous chemicals had an accident with a derailment. The chemicals started pouring out and heading for the Snake River.

Something like 24 various agencies showed up, including federal ones and California's local redundant duplicates. (I might have that number wrong, but it was a lot.)

They all sort of just -- sat there -- looking at each other to see who was going to take over. In the mean time, the company who owned the seeping chemicals was begging them -- Please, Somebody, ANYbody -- GIVE US PERMISSION TO START THE CLEAN-UP!!

Well, there you go. That's bureaucratic CYA for you. Nobody wanted to be "responsible", because nobody wanted to get the blame for screwing up the clean-up efforts. In the mean time, while they sat on their hands looking at each other, the clean-up was NOT happening.

The funny thing in this story -- or at least I thought it was funny -- a local news anchor complained bitterly about this state of affairs. His "solution" was to start ANOTHER bureaucracy, who's duty would be to ASSIGN RESPONSIBILITY to one of the other already existing agencies. In other words, this agency would show up, point to somebody and shout, "YOU! YOU'RE IN CHARGE! DO SOMETHING!"

Can we spell "M O R O N"? I thought so!

Typical. If government waste and inefficiency gets in the way of solving things, maybe what we need is MORE government waste and inefficiency, huh? Just keep throwing money at the problem until it goes away.

So Anyway
I guess in conclusion:

What evidence can you produce that indicates that racism is any more than a minor inconvenience to any smart, persistent minority;

who

Stays away from sex until all parties have reached legal age;

and

Stays away from illegal drugs at all times (or until we can repeal the asinine drug laws).


And the answer is: none, really.

I mean, yes, racism exists. Nobody denies that. Some serious problems remain, yes, again, no denying. Plenty of inconveniences. Sure, the clerk at the convenience store is going to keep an eye on you -- hell, tell him you'll take your business elsewhere, and tell him why.

And even where problems remain serious, you know your James Byrd Jr. example? His killers were members of a PRISON GANG. Ok? Not exactly the kind of fellows you want to ask for high-paying employment. Not exactly the upper echelons of society.

BUT --

Work hard -- stay out of trouble -- be persistent -- get married before you start making babies -- and there is NOTHING that ANYBODY is going to do to hold ANYONE back.

Do it yourself justice
These neighborhoods have a lot of work ahead of them.

young black males
Not that I am into any kind of self-justification, let me make it clear that my comments about "young black males" who support abortion is true. Do you assume that I meant ALL young black males? Then you are the racist. I am not.

I have three black children, two of which are males. I also have a 30-something, black male Son-in-law, who I introduced to my daughter (he was my boss at the time) as a possible suitor. Were I a racist as you claim, I would not have encouraged an interracial marriage in my family.

I also have 4 children, who are half-Mexican descent. In my home, a licensed foster home, I have two bi-racial children (of black and white heritage). Would you like me to pass on to all of these children that their father is a racist?

In Air Force basic training, twenty-seven years ago, I participated in a mandatory Values-Clarification course at the chapel. We were asked our view on abortion. I stated that I was Extremely Against. The others in the class were pretty much evenly dispersed throughout the other choices - Against, Neutral, For, and Extremely For.

The debate came down to me and one young black man. His only argument for his position was that his girlfriend he murdered their child. After becoming very frustrated with this selfish young man, I told him that he was correct - and that I wished that his mother had chosen to have an abortion so that I wouldn't be arguing with him. Having it personalized made it clear to others that abortion ends a life - and it could have been theirs.

This is a thread on race. Anthony made claims that blacks are in favor of abortion. I commented on that. It is also common knowledge that in the RAP community, women are referred to as "ho's" and "B*tches." Nothing I said here is offensive, nor generalizing. My comment involved THOSE blacks who support abortion. Folks who support abortion, of any race, have a reason - and it sure as hell isn't the Constitution.

ed

burley ed - - on Generalizations
Take my advice.

Whenever you talk about groups, always add the qualifier "many" or "some" or "most", etc.

E.g., don't say, "Black males don't stick around to raise their children, thanks to welfare rules that discourage families."

Instead, say, "TOO MANY black males" etc.

That way you don't have to defend your generalization later. And it's a great debating tactic. Even if there are only a handful who fit the description, that handful is "too many," and nobody can argue with that.

And might I add that I'm not saying *you* are racist, only that your comments can easily be construed as such.

Otherwise, welcome to the discussion!

You must be joking
Don't use generalizations? Does anyone actually read what you folks write here? "Liberals are..." "Conservatives are..." If those aren't generalizations, I'm not sure what is.

Let me reframe my comments, since talking about blacks we have to be careful - Lord knows we wouldn't want to make the NAACP angry now, would we? Of course, it's all right for those of us who went to graduate school to get our character assassinated by liberal professors that state categorically that "ALL whites are racists." I had one professor, along with his 4 grad assistants tell me that. As well as the book I was forced to read in my Multiculturalism class that stated the same. However, if I mention that the black community as a group are more pro-life, except perhaps the young males who knock up their young women (certainly wouldn't want to call them a ho or anything - we know that rap music speaks so highly of women).

Contextually I was speaking of those who SUPPORT abortion. That's what the discussion was about. Anthony claimed that blacks are pro-abortion. I countered. Your assertions that I think all young black males knock up young women is asinine in light of the fact that I have a young black male as a son-in-law.

What if I had been black and made that comment?

This is ridiculous. Everyone who read what I wrote in the context of the earlier comments would know what I meant when I wrote it. Get over yourselves and learn to read.

ed

This is what I've seen...
In 1990's a black female failed almost all of her tests and exams in Electronics Technician "A" school in the US Navy. She was held back every two weeks (the period between tests) and failed back into my class. Then failed farther back.

I caught up with her several months later--she was not working as an ET--I think in personnel. I asked her what happened.

She indicated she had had enough--that she went to the MC of the school after another failed exam and asked to be re-assigned.

It took her--not her merit--to give the MC a reason to move her out.

Some months later a black man on my ship was busted during a urinalysis test--cocaine.

He explained he was driven to cocaine use because of the racism in our Electronics shop. Several men were docked pay--one was stripped of rank. I was attached to the shop but never accused--I'm not sure why--Although I was married to a highly intelligent black woman...

Finally, I got into UC Berkeley--I am white. My combined index to get into Berkeley had to be above 7000. **All** of my class mates who were Hispanic or Black during this period only needed a combined index of 4000.

Many of them failed out of Engineering courses and out of school, others pursued Business or Arts.

What I derive from these experiences is this: Racism is alive and well and its causes are not Race--or as Darwin put it "Prefered Races" but the incentives given.

If you give a person money every time they commit a crime do you think they might continue?

The haunt for many black men and women who do reach college and who do perform well is they know their colleagues know the kind of help they've been given and it becomes a really tough road fraught with uncertainty and second guessing.

It's really sad when you think of how far blacks came right after 1865 and how far they dropped right after 1965.

Quix -- UC Berkeley
quoth Quix: "Finally, I got into UC Berkeley--I am white. My combined index to get into Berkeley had to be above 7000. **All** of my class mates who were Hispanic or Black during this period only needed a combined index of 4000."

How long ago was this? This sort or racial preferencing is supposed to be illegal these days, although many institutions still bend over backwards for the sake of "diversity."

Williams & Perryman
Mr. Williams is great, as usual. Would love to see some sort of effort combined with that of Mr. Wayne Perryman, also a conservative African American, and of the same name web site, .com

Anthony Thomas -- Still Checking In?
Assuming you're still checking in from time to time -- I should like to know, before it becomes necessary to click "Archive" to reach this blog, if you are at all satisfied with my responses.

I don't expect you to agree with everything I wrote -- but I'd be very happy if I caused just a little "thinking outside the box". So much of the debate on racism, AA, etc. is based on emotions and cliché. Of course one of things that makes a cliché is that it once was 100% true.

But 100% true it no longer is, and hasn't been for a good while. I think it's high time to re-assess the situation based on today's reality, not yesterday's painful memories.

Williams is right, but incomplete.
Williams' column makes many excellent points. But he doesn't go far enough. The biggest reason (not excuse) for the high crime rates in the inner city is Drug Prohibition. The War on Drugs is vehemently supported by most Conservatives and Liberals. Besides being unconstitutional, and therefore illegal, it doesn't work.

Williams will criticize liberal Republicans but lacks the guts to challenge an article of faith among conservatives. That is, that the buying and selling of drugs should be prohibited. For a guy who is a stickler for the Constitution, this failure makes no sense. I thought that conservatives support the Constitution and free-market capitalism. Since drugs are property, in a free society, any transaction between a willing buying and willing seller shouldn't be illegal.

LysanderSpooner --
Williams supports drug legalization.

But he is not a one-topic columnist.