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Thursday, February 28, 2008
Victor Davis Hanson :: Townhall.com Columnist
The World in 2009
by Victor Davis Hanson
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When President George Bush leaves office, will America once again be liked by most of the world? Not necessarily, since most current problems are either already getting better or not our fault.

When the next president takes office in January 2009, he or she will be confronted by a world that either understandably appreciates America or for self-interested reasons will challenge it.

On the positive side, the new president will see a Middle East without the Taliban in charge in Afghanistan or Saddam Hussein ruling Iraq. A stabilizing constitutional Iraq should result in a steadily diminishing American presence there.

In Europe, the French under Nicolas Sarkozy and the Germans under Angela Merkel will remain pro-American. But they will also expect continued American leadership. Both may talk grandly of the Atlantic Alliance, but in real terms they do little to help us in Afghanistan or elsewhere.

Most of Africa likewise is already friendly to the United States. And why not? President Bush extended more humanitarian aid to combat African hunger and disease than any president in our history.

But what of our enemies? Won't adversaries back off when the Christian cowboy George Bush rides back to Texas -- and we have a kinder, gentler commander-in-chief who offers hope, or at least change, to the world?

Hardly.

There are plenty of problems that both antedated George Bush and are likely to continue well after he's left office.

For starters, the next American president will have to deal with Vladimir Putin's Russia, which is proud and angry for reasons that go well beyond the Bush administration. Russia is flush with petrodollars, still smarting over lost empire and tired of lectures about human rights from impotent European states.

Iran, which repeatedly snubbed the efforts of the Clinton administration to normalize relations, will still want a bomb, will still intimidate neighbors and will still threaten Israel. Indeed, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, in Hitlerian fashion, has called the Jewish state "filthy bacteria" and promised to wipe it off the map. He didn't say these things because George Bush is president, and he won't stop when Bush is gone.

Sen. Barack Obama, who looks more and more every day like he'll be the Democratic presidential nominee, has said he'd be in favor of taking out "high-value terrorist targets" inside Pakistan on our own if the Pakistani government won't. But so far we haven't done that because Pakistan is nuclear and friendlier to jihadists than it is to us. That won't change, either.

Osama bin Laden's attacks on Americans also predated George Bush. The war on terror started only when we finally decided to strike back in 2001. And it will end only when we destroy the jihadists and alter the conditions that created them -- or give in and return to the earlier policy of inaction.

Long-term global challenges are bipartisan concerns -- neither caused by conservative Republicans nor solved by easy answers from liberal Democrats.

Should we guarantee the new independence of Muslim-dominated Kosovo, if Christian Serbia and its Russian patrons seek to get it back by force? If so, consider the chance of another bloody war inside Europe, and no appreciation for our help in Kosovo from the Muslim world.

Should we press China to clean up its trade practices and grant basic human rights to its own citizens? If so, be ready to see hundreds of billions of dollars in Chinese-held U.S. government bonds sold off.

Should we extend formal diplomatic recognition to Iran and begin talks? If so, be prepared that, with even less worry, Tehran will accelerate efforts to get the bomb.

It is a cop-out to say George Bush caused all these problems. They loom large mostly for two reasons. One, the United States promotes global democratic capitalism, and our military ensures international free commerce in the air and on the seas. This bothers regional dictators and terrorists eager to carve out their own spheres of influence, regardless of who's sitting in the Oval Office.

Two, billions of people in India, Russia, China, Asia and Latin America, having copied American business and culture, are now doing better, and demand the same good lives we take for granted.

Our rivals suspect that we are played out, short of energy, long on debt, and hogging the world's resources. They see no reason to stop pushing just because of our past strength and reputation. They think the future is theirs, the past ours. And so all over the globe they will surely challenge the next president, however nice, to prove them wrong.

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Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and a recipient of the 2007 National Humanities Medal.

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Taliban Not in Charge of Afghanistan...?
Wondering what planet you are on, Vic. Reports for quite some time have shown the Taliban to be in control in Afghanistan. And there is a huge increase opium production under the Taliban.

More disconcerting is the propensity of people on the "right" to omit facts and speak lies. I only hope your book Carnage and Culture is true.

Respectfully,

Hitchhiker
I really haven't heard liberals say anything knowledgeable about Iraq

Every six months for the past 5 years, some story gets tossed out like this.

The current situation in Iraq is not stable and there is no functioning government there.

So I have no idea what you think Bush "pulled off".

impeachbush
One of your liberal darlings Angelina Jolie just had this to say about Iraq:

"As for the question of whether the surge is working, I can only state what I witnessed: U.N. staff and those of non-governmental organizations seem to feel they have the right set of circumstances to attempt to scale up their programs. And when I asked the troops if they wanted to go home as soon as possible, they said that they miss home but feel invested in Iraq. They have lost many friends and want to be a part of the humanitarian progress they now feel is possible"

The title of the article in the WashPost is "Staying to help in Iraq".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/0 2/27/AR2008022702217_pf.html


I keep saying Iraq is not going to be that big a deal come November. Bush has pulled it off before leaving office. Quite a feat. Hell, I am planning my next vacation over there. Come election time, the "war" will simply be reframed as a humanitarian assistance program by the appropriate liberal spokesthings and the liberal base will be happy once again, your foul mouthed blatherings for the past five years completely forgotten.


impeachbush
you forgot your meds again - go to your room - NOW!!!

Righhtttttttt
Then you are an insane person then.

Does the CIA know your shoesize too?

Explain again
How Bush took office illegally? And what are you saying 9/11 was carried out by the project for New American Century?


JPK
"The Shias, Sunni, and Kurds will work out a loose confederation that will be able to share oil revenue, build roads, and provide a national police force."

Amazing. You are out of your mind.

Even if this nonsense were true, it would create huge pockets of no-man's land where groups could set up training camps.

A centralized government or governments with significant power is not socialism and is going to be necessary for stability in that area. In addition, a national army or police force cannot function if it does not have political consolidation.

What you are going to need are three politically consolidated governments with clearly delineated borders that can control all of their territory.

Or one group will dominate the other two and control all of the territory.

A loose confederation in that part of the world is one of the silliest things I've ever hear of, and is certainly not in our national security interests.

JPK
"Of course, there are plenty of nations that have a confederation of provinces (ie Switzerland to name one)."

Plenty? Name some other than Switzerland. I'll leave asside the fact that a confederation is not the same as a clan structure made up of people who condider themselves different nations.

How many multi-national or multi-ethnic or multi-religious liberal democracies do we have? Belgium has teetered on the brink of break-up over the Walloons and the Flemish. Canada has trouble with Quebecois. As for Britain’s four tribes, one tribe—the Irish—doesn’t want to be in it at all; the Scots have gone into devolution as of late; and even the Welsh now have an internal parliament. We can see what a multi-national state like the Soviet Union experienced with the centrifugal tensions there. So the idea that you could put Kurds, Shiite Arabs, and Sunni Arabs in a nice, liberal, federal system in Iraq boggles the mind.

Libs
Nice post religious lib, but there are over 3,000 employees that used to work in the Twin Towers that would disagree that the terrorist threat is overblown

China
China has had nearly 8% growth for close to 20 years, and the growth rate of the US during the same period? This year it was 11%..both persons I named are billionaires...with a b. Shanghai, Shenzhen, Xiamen, Fuzhou among others were doing quite well before 1997. China's pilot study in capitalism began in 1978 with the SEZs, not with HK's return.




Akagi
Your first millionaire is disqualified because after 1997 and the transfer of sovereignty Hong Kong became China's pilot study for capitalism....It seems to be working...but had it come fully under the power of the Chinese government your millionaire would only be a bank teller.

Your second millionaire maybe a genuine self-made millionaire, but he still didn't invent anything.

I am very happy to hear that China has millionaires. Capitalism is wonderful and democracy best protects it.

When I started this subject all I was saying was that you can not stay competitive if you don't play by the rules. Capitalism is great but it can be unforgiving too.

China
They come to the US same reason lots of people do..while the elementry and secondary schools in the US are terrible, a few top univerisities are top shelf internationally.

MIT is better than Qing Hua Da Xue (aka Tsing Hua University and ironically built with funds the US sent back to China that China was forced to pay the US for the Boxer rebellion).

As for the Chinese not being free, well more free than at anytime in Chinese history. In many ways they are free, but no China is not a democracy and it still tightly controls people in many ways, but not in every way under the sun.

And since the richest man (Rong Zhijian)in China got rich due to banking and investing (much of it in HK) and the second (Zhu Mengyi) in construction, I am not sure how you can say that they simply copied things and stole patents.


ModMark
The most questionable aspect of the surge concerns the consolidation of power by sheiks and other local leaders. Most weak states in the world have strongly consolidated local leadership. That is why their central governments remain weak. Once such enclaves of power are created by local strongmen, they almost never yield, or even share it more than temporarily, with the central government.

Political consolidation is achieved almost without exception through civil wars. Is that not the American experience? And the English experiences with their Welsh, Scottish, and Irish clans? In Iraq, even Saddam never succeeded in breaking the clan structure, only in buying them off from time to time. The Ottomans never tried. Can U.S. forces achieve the centralization that has eluded all previous regimes there?

Perhaps the president ought to be asked to explain why his answer is yes.


C.H.
True.

I can only tell you that before the invasion occurred, anyone with a basic knowledge of the area knew that these three groups would not willingly live under the same government.

Of course, the neocons did not have a basic history of the area. They despise history and consider it of no value.

The only feasible plan I ever heard about was to find some way to make someone else the head of the Baath Party. That creates a new leader without a breakup of the country.

JPK
Anyone who is not a neocon must be a liberal is that it? Not a single thing I've writeen is remotely liberal.

I am sick of people like you calling a civil war in Iraq "failure." Or "victory" for Al Qaeda.

A civil war is the likely result of our invasion. That has nothing to do with Al Qaeda. The fact that terrorist organizations like to take credit for things they do not cause does not mean our commaner-in-chief should be their number 1 enabler.

These three groups have never willingly lived under the same government together. So the government we created will not develop a functioning police force and army.

The whole reason certain politicians want to maintian the status quo is because they feel guilty about the bloodshed that has and probably will occur.

But to actually give Al Qaeda credit for disputes among Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds is nothing more than giving aid and comfort (a free propaganda victory) to the enemy.

No Longer a Repub
My problem with the Golden Mosque incident is that it was a timely bombing and particularly evil. The nature of it was beyond sectarian hatred. That's all I'm saying.

Kind of like flying a plane into the Pentagon. It was 'instant war'.

No Longer a Republican
"You will continue to have increases and decreases in the violence. That doesn't mean much"

You libs constantly change the benchmarks; first it was a reduction in terrorist activty; when it became apparent that terrorist activty was done, the bar was moved to Sunni and Shia forces joining US forces in anti terror activty; when that was done, the Libs demanded that Iraqi share oil revenues; when that was done, libs now demand a Federal, centralized goverment in Bagdad. Of course, there are plenty of nations that have a confederation of provinces (ie Switzerland to name one).

The Libs like you cannot even for a second face that fact that the Iraqi people are better off now than in 2002. It must really infuriate you to think that. The surge worked because it was from the bottom up. There will be no huge. centralized socialist goverment in Baghdad. The Shias, Sunni, and Kurds will work out a loose confederation that will be able to share oil revenue, build roads, and provide a national police force. Everything else will be localized.

Only the Dems, Syria, and Iran wish it to fail.

Akagi
Why do they come to America to learn?
They come to copy.

If China was free they wouldn't have to copy.

Are the millionaires you speak of millionaires because they copied an idea and marketed it at a cheaper cost? Did they break patent laws to make their millions?

It still isn't pure creativity cut loose in a society.

I didn't say that the Chinese aren't intelligent. I just said that they aren't free.

TD
Violence levels in Iraq are the same now as in 2005 and above 2004 levels. They are lower than they were last January of 2007.

That is when we started paying Sunnis militias large sums of money, which they are using to buy weapons, to lay low for a while.

These militias oppose the government we created just as much now as they did on day one.

This policy, like the other increases blood shed.

The Sunnis and Kurds want independence from the Shiites in somewhat the same way we wanted independence from the British. Yet you seem to think it is okay to force them into a government they are not interested in joining.

Why is that?

C.H.
I don't have a problem with calling the Golden Masque a hit job.

But a civil war was predicted by anyone with a basic knowledge of the area -- and the idea that the Golden Masque set if off is sheer fantasy land.

Creating a government that does not have political consolidation, like the national unity government, means a continuation of the current failed state -- and causes more bloodshed.

Training the "Iraqi" security forces is of no value because the troops are loyal to their militias. Giving training and weaponry to people who are loyal to their own militias means that those militias will fight a bloodier war than they would otherwise fight.

No Longer a Repub
I agree with you about elections.

Originally in our history, you could only vote if you were a property owner, but we found that was unconstitutional.

It's been discussed in this thread that China should move toward democracy slowly... I think that's true for most countries...working out their particular ideologies. Prosperity and peace are universal desires and evidence of freedom.

No longer a Republican Smithington
There's been consistent decrease in the violence, without increase to the levels that were so destructive before. The evidence is clear.

Institutions start to function and people begin to agree on things, when they start living and seeing signs of peace. Now people are living and seeing signs of peace. It's incremental progress that is happening now; it's started happening since the troop surge.

A few things
Look at Taiwan and Japan then. (Japan late 1940s and 1950s; Taiwan 1960s and 1970s). Both made cheap junk. Today both make high quality products. TQM and high quality production don't happen overnight.

And as the for individual doesn't get any dividends from their creation...ask the billionares (China #10 as most in the world) and millionares (#4 on the list) about that statement.

Also just because a country has a lower standard of living doens't mean its immigrants have no education or skills. Go to a physics Ph.D. program in the US and see how many Chinese grad students you'll find...see how many Taiwanese professors and business owners are in the US today.




jerabaub
'We effectively import illiteracy and ignorance'.

If a person wants to be free, does it matter if he's illiterate and ignorant?

TD
You will continue to have increases and decreases in the violence. That doesn't mean much.

Every six months or so for the past 5 years, press releases are put out saying the violence is down and we are now on the path.

There is NO funtioning in Iraq. You will not achieve a functioning government until a government or governments with political consolidation are formed that can form functioning armies and police forces.

C.H.
My problem with your point on elections in Iraq is that 40% of the population really are not getting a taste of freedom. And it is doubtful that the other 60% will develop the kinds of rights we have under this path.

There are no documented cases of countries holding national elections without a history of property rights and market reforms becoming constitutional democracies.

In other words, authoritarian democracies are not an interim step towards constitutional democracies.

The elections can also give legitimacy to certain forces opposed to freedom that do not deserve that legitimacy.

In the case of the Shiites, the election gives their implementation of Sharia law legitimacy because they held elections and they can claim the people decided they wanted it.

The judicial system in "Iraq" is run by Shiites for Shiites. Elections are not going to help you solve that problem because the Shiites are guaranteed of winning the elections.

no Longer a Repub
again, it's tedious to argue because I believe we are safer because we took military action.

I'm a simple American with my own opinion. Maybe it is wrong, but it's the way I see it.

Instead of being labeled a neocon I would rather you tell me why you don't think the bombing of the Golden Mosque was a hit job. Convince me I'm wrong.

Saddam didn't fall during gulf war I.

No longer a Republican Smithington
No longer a Republican Smithington: What progress do you see in Iraq TD?

Lots of less people dying. Cooperation among human beings who see more hope in cooperating with each, than continuing to kill each other.

You can continue to look for every possible argument against the success of the surge in Iraq; but it doesn't change the success of the surge. Progress is happening in Iraq, whether you like it or not.

apoplectic
even though we almost always disagree i was impressed with your mature response.

the journalist (ignatius) who wrote the article is very credible. he has been to iraq many times and has been a moderate voice, sometimes critical of bush policy (the rumsfeld years) and other times supporting it (the surge).

i have always felt our response to 9/11 was a little overblown especially with regards to iraq.
i supported afghanistan invasion 100%.


ModMark
I think oppression retards growth. As 'no longer a rebup' mentioned, "Property rights and free markets lead to elections in a proper framework". In China there is always the possibility that the gov't will take away what you have. That inhibits creativity..the individual doesn't get any dividends from their creation.

Chinese people are just as creative as Americans. The creativity gap correlates with freedom. If we vote for socialism, China and America will soon be equals.

C.H.
"I think the golden mosque bombing was a hit job to disrupt the growing stability"

All due respect, this again is an attempt by the neocons to avoid resonsiblity for the fact they knew nothing about the country.

You would have had this exact same breakup of the country if Saddam Hussein had fallen in Gulf War I -- in which case we would have sat back and watched the secterian violence from without.

The reason certain politicians want to keep our troops in the middle of it now appears to be in order to avoid responsiblity for the violence and civil war becuase our invasion was a proximate cause in this case.

No Longer a Repub
'Property rights and free markets lead to elections in a proper framework. Elections do not lead to property rights and free markets.'

True, but nothing is perfect at it's beginning. Even the illusion of freedom is better than no freedom. If you taste something good you always want more.

'To the extent a democracy is formed by the Shiites, it will be an authoritarian democracy similar to Iran and allied with Iran.

Not a good use of our blood and treasure.'

It's tedious to rehash. I believe the war was necessary, but executed too slowly.

I think the golden mosque bombing was a hit job to disrupt the growing stability...but what do I know.

Iraqis haven't known freedom for many years. When you are oppressed all your life, freedom is an abstract concept. Freedom grows on you and it eventually looks like you. I wouldn't expect their democracy to look like mine.

C.H.
Well, you are right that the Chinese people are not free.

But it can be aruged that the economic reforms undertaken by Deng Xiaoping are going to unleash forces that the government will have to make concessions to in order to survive.

The way Deng has twisted his rhetoric into a pretzel in order to allow market refroms was done for the benefit and egos of the older leaders.

It may lead to Constitutional democracy over the next several decades, then again it may not.

What does NOT lead to constitutional democracy are elections. Elections are destabilizing and market reforms and property rights need stability in their early phases.

The elephant in the room
The fact is, that no Muslim country can have freedom until it disavows Sharia and parts of the Koran. This is the major issue for 2009, and beyond. As long as the radicals can envision the return of the caliphate, the subjugation of women, and the enslavement of infidels, there will be no peace. You cannot negotiate with, appease or accommodate with tyranny.

Chamberlain negotiated with Hitler, who took it as a sign of weakness and launched Sturm und Drang on Europe. If we elect a president who try to negotiate with the madmen running Iran and Syria, we will end up like Chamberlain.

No Longer a Repub
You underestimate the power of oppression.

I've never been a slave. When slaves are set free they don't always feel free or act free. It takes years, centuries to overcome the spirit of oppression.

China's motivations are impure. They want the free market without allowing freedom. They will steal any good ideas from their own people with the excuse that it's for national prosperity. Will that creative mind create again? Probably not. If he complains they'll harvest his organs.

Akagi, No Longer a Republican
Akagi, I agree our immigration policy, unlike rational policies of other nations, does place a premium upon immigrants with no education, skills(your comment that most immigrants who come to the U.S. come from nations with far lower standards of living).

But that is not the fault of anyone but the United States.

We effectively import illiteracy and ignorance. I would think we have an abundance of that already. Why import it? But who am I to argue against Bush or the democrats? On that, they think the same.

Nations with rational immigration policies do not knowingly import ignorance.

No Longer a Republican, I totally agree. This administration has hyped Al Qaida as the existential threat to Iraq when it suited its purpose, and Iran(Shia and hardly sympathetic to sunni Al Qaida), when it deemed it to be necessary.

Man, what flavors of koolaid.!!

The administration has a kool-aid concoction for whatever purpose. Oh, don't forget the demonic Putin. The administration also has its own concoction attesting to his evilness. How dare Putin side with Christian Serbs and against Muslim Kosovars! Bush is right. Better a Muslim Europe than a Christian one. Cough.

It reminds me of Orwell's "1984".

This week are we at war with Eurasia, or is it Eastasia...no, that was last week.

War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, and Ignorance is Strength.

Where is Winston Smith from "1984" when you really need him?

Even with his rotting teeth.





ModMark
exactly my point!!! China can't do R&D because they aren't a free people. They are copycats because of their oppressive government. If America suddenly stopped creating ideas, because they elected a socialist for president and he thinks it's only 'fair' that ALL people who work in the factory should have to clean the toilets and scrub the floors, THEN China would have nothing to make.

You don't have to have money to be creative you just have to be free.

C.H.
The Chinese may be laying the groundwork for freedom -- which is not elections.

Property rights and free markets lead to elections in a proper framework. Elections do not lead to property rights and free markets.

They lead to authoritarian democracies such as Venezuala and Iran.

To the extent a democracy is formed by the Shiites, it will be an authoritarian democracy similar to Iran and allied with Iran.

Not a good use of our blood and treasure.

Akagi
The Chinese are not free. If America flounders the ideas stop and you can go back to making rickshaws.

TD
Progress?

You've got to be joking.

What progress do you see in Iraq TD?

A constitutional democracy among three groups of people who have never willingly lived under the same government? Three groups of people who have NO history of property rights, free markets or checks and balances?

It's the silliest thing I've ever heard of.

But then what can you expect from the Republican Party these days.

religiouslib
It is odd that sageman's new book would fly in the face of some of his previous, very astute works. I suspect the author of the article is not entirely accurate in his summation but will withhold judgement until I've had a chance to read the book. This is one article from sageman that I'm referring to.
http://www.securityaffairs.org/issues/2005/08/sageman.php

China
"China ignores patent law. It almost doesn't matter because the technology moves faster than they can produce it."

Yes and so did other developing countries in the world in the past--e.g. Taiwan. As China becomes more and more advanced, it will do a better and better job at enforcement. It's enforcement of IPR is already much better than it was 5 or 10 years ago.

"China is also dishonest in it's attention to our safety and regulatory laws, which will cause consumers to demand the same products from countries that do comply..."

The US was hardly better when it was at China's stage--why do you think they passed the Pure Food and Drug Act? China is still a very poor country and has weak regulators in the area of consumer saftey--there is also a good amount of corruption as well as people try to make a quick buck (or yuan in this case). But the US was no different 100 years ago, now was it?


Nee
I am sick of people like you calling a civil war in Iraq "failure." Or "victory" for Al Qaeda.

A civil war is the likely result of our invasion. That has nothing Al Qaeda. The fact that terrorist organization like to take credit for things they do not cause does not mean our commaner-in-chief should be their number 1 enabler.

These three groups have never willingly lived under the same government together. So the government we created will not develop a functioning police force and army.

The whole reason certain politicians want to maintian the status quo is because they feel guilty about the bloodshed that has and probably will occur.

But to actually give Al Qaeda credit for disputes among Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds is nothing more than giving aid and comfort (a free propaganda victory) to the enemy.

curious
Does Hanson's calling himself a historian mean that he doesn't read the newspaper?

Hanson is predicting a decreased US presence in Iraq while the Bush Administration is preparing us for a troop presence that is higher than pre-surge levels.

He says we would never take out a high level al qaeda target in pakistan without government improvement, when we did so last month. Perhaps he forgot already.

False test
"Last time I checked, ModMark, America still is the #1 preferred country for immigration.

Wonder why...."

First, Canada and Australia take in more immigrants per capita than the US. Second, most immigrants that come to the US come from places where the standard of living is much lower--the top ten countries for legal residents in 2006 was Mexico, China, the Philippines, India, Cuba, Ireland, El Salvador, the Dom. Republic, Canada and then Korea. Except for Ireland and Canada, all are much below the US standard of living. You don't see people from Norway or Finland breaking down the door to get into the US. In 2006, there were 513 from Finland and 532 from Norway.

For a true test to see which country is best based on a "voting with their feet" you'd have to have open immigration and emigration in every country in the world and you simply don't have that. The US attracts a good number of immigrants because it has a fairly open immigration policy..not the most open, but still one of the most liberal in the world--a fact that the xenophobes at NumbersUSA and CIS don't like too much nor do the Pauline Hansons and Joerg Haiders of the world in other countries that have liberal immigration policies.

Oh and due to Americans being notoriously monolingual and monocultural, they don't make very good immigrants.


Hi ModMark
Don't you think one of our greatest exports is our ideas? China ignores patent law. It almost doesn't matter because the technology moves faster than they can produce it.

China is also dishonest in it's attention to our safety and regulatory laws, which will cause consumers to demand the same products from countries that do comply...like America. Jobs will return. No one wants their viagra to be made of drywall chalk. People don't want their children slobbering all over toys with lead paint. It doesn't matter how cheap the product is, once you've broken the trust of the consumer it takes a long time earn it back.

To everyone
Seems to me that most everyone here agrees with most of the wisdom in Victor Davis Hanson's article. I didn't mean to offend anyone with my comments here - jerabaub, SteveL, wbheff, or anyone else.

It would be wise for us all recognize what we agree on here. Everyone wants strong national security for the US and world stability, I think.

I'm confident John McCain will be the best one to continue the progress that's been made the last several yrs. I hope most people here will agree.

CIA--Far from Conservative
JPK wrote:
"CIA has one of the worst track records of any intel organization in the world."

And if anyone thinks the CIA is a bunch of Conservative, pro-war cowboys, I have a bridge to sell you. The CIA is full of bureaucratic, liberal, careerist, academics who don't want to get their hands dirty.....or even do their job, for that matter!

It's getting hard to tell the CIA and State Department apart.

religiouslib
My first posting to you apparently did not take, so here goes with another. I am sure my first one will now miraculously appear, but no matter.

I read your referral, the article about Sageman's views.

I found it interesting and agreed particularly with his contention that our Iraq venture has made matters far worse.

But I am not as sanguine as he that Islam poses no threat. 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims in Europe and England appear to be more, not less, Islamic. The police cannot enter Muslim neighborhoods.

But what I found troubling was his contention that the internet has greatly aided this third wave of terrorists.

I think he is correct. But, the internet is also a source of inexhaustible information on ideas, concepts, that should open up the minds of Muslim youth, liberalize and free their minds from the dogma of the Prophet Mohammad.

Iranian youth today are more receptive to western values precisely because of their exposure to the internet and satellite television.

Internet is a tool, for good or ill.

Anyway, thanks for the article.

and the best we can offer....
All this and the best we have to offer the world is the Obama, Clinton or McCain option.

religious lib
You must be kidding. The CIA has one of the worst track records of any intel organization in the world. Heck, AQ Khan helped the Pakis build nukes right under the CIA's noses.

And I just love that line -"The terrorist threat is over done." Tell that to the victims of 9/11 bombings, the Bali bombings, the Madrid bombings, the 1993 WTC attack, the Cole attack, the Khobar Towers attack...

The CIA has only one skill -poltical, bureaucratic infighting (Remember Valiere Plame, the NIE Report stating Iran stopped making nukes in 2003?). They only thing they seem to produce is former case officers who believe that terrorism is figment of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. Funny how the DOD spec ops have taken over much of the intel gathering the CIA used to do. What a waste.

Great Insights!
As usual, succinct and well-reasoned points by VDH with, also as usual, poorly articulated, head-in-the-sand rejections of his arguments or simply using the all-too-common ploy of rejection by assertion -- as if their stating an opinion makes it fact.

who do you want to like us?
Lolo1 writes: Thursday, February, 28, 2008 9:42 AM
Media Myths
I am so sick of hearing how we are not liked in the world. It is a media myth and a fallacy. Average people do like us in the world but America is viewed as the gravy train and if the gravy stops they get angry.

Yo Lolo1. You are right on. Here is my question to liberals. Who do you want to like us? The Middle east? Russia? China? Venezuala? This country is pretty F-ed up but comparatively...come on. As Dennis Prager says and it is 1 million percent true, the left hates America, in this country and others. But just look at france and Germany and who they elected (pro-american prez, anti-american media). I was in Scotland when Katrina hit. The BBC coverage was a farce and so anti-american and slanted a liberal would almost have been embarrassed...almost. That's all a lot of people see.

If everyone had the benefits we have here, in other countries, such as talk radio, long standing blogs etc, more people would get a balanced story. The media is 80-90 percent liberal and left, so that's the viewpoint people get. Unfortunately, a lot of universities are the same way. If people hear the same thing long enough they will eventually start to believe it in many instances.




Non Liberal Solutions
1)We have plenty of oil/natural gas/coal here in the US, Alaska, and off shore. We simply refuse to use it and instead import our oil. Enviormentalists and thier court allies make this so. We could simply force Exxon and other energy companies to provide our energy off the world market, and use it for internal use. This would upset many, but the US would no longer fund Islamo fascism.

2)The dollar slide is manufactured by our President and Congress. The Fed loves a weak dollar. We could simply strengthen it by buying more T-Bills and printing less money. This would take more dollars off the market. If the Fed raised interest rates like they should, the dollar would strengthen even more. Since commodities are bought and sold in dollars, most of our inflation would decrease.

3)We could end farms subsidies as well as subsidies for ethanol. This would kill the recent inflation in the grains market. If ethanol companies wish to continue let the markets help them and not the taxpayers.

4)Cut corporate taxes in half. Not even socialists Norway and Germany have such high corporate taxes as the US.

Liberal rhetoric aside, the Sunnis and Shias are patrolling thier own neighborhoods and villages, and provinces. The Iraqi goverment this month passed a oil revenue sharing plan. AQ's territory has now been reduced to an area around Mosul. Our current combat strength is now 15 brigades, and it could be reduced to only 5 in one year.

Congress could freeze non-military spending and end earmarks completely. The freeze could last 2 years.

Congress should end tax breaks for corporate funding of health care. Corporations cannot no longer afford it, and consumers could purchase thier own plans. This would create more competition in the health care field, and help drive costs down. Ditto for Social Security.


excellent comments
One and all,this is what makes this country great.Good give and take without name calling.Thank you

Is there a point?
Some of the responders have trashed Dr. Hanson's article without being specific. They give no evidence to prove their points. They simply say that the article is rubbish. This seems to make them feel that they are superior (in all aspects). Then they walk away with their noses in the air. Is there a point?

Cold Hard Whatever
"Even with Bush 41's half mill troops, he failed to take out Saddam. Who's the incompetent one? Bush 41 failed to cleanup a mess, that we're now paying in spades for now."

In 1991 the US was part of a "New World Order" coalition whose brief was to get the Iraqis out of Kuwait. That's all. There was no authority to go after Sadam and to do so would have exceeded that brief.

Bush 41 destroyed as much of the Iraqi army and military infrastructure as possible under that brief, but going after the government was not possible.

If Bush 41 had exceeded that brief the same morons who are now complaining that he didn't get Sadam would have been howling about how he exceeded his authority. In that case they would have been right.

Where have you been?
After reading this article I am left asking the question, where have you been? We have been striking high value targets within Pakistan without the permission of the Pakistani government. The Northwestern province of Pakistan is not under the control of the Pakistani government and thus should not be treated as a part of their territorial borders, we should pursue Al Qaeda and the Taliban into those areas as much as possible, giving them a new sanctuary does nothing to make the world more secure whether it is Obama or McCain that is the president in 2009.

January 2009
Apparently some of our voting public believe that if Sen Obama is sworn in, that we'll bring all our troops home, (presumably then that AlQaeda will send theirs home too, enabling peace to break out), BO will find out what Vladimir and Mahmoud want, give it to them, and peace will break out. The rest of the world, seeing who our leader is, will suddenly love us, which is really important.
But if none of that happens, at least our souls will be healed.

the truth about terrorism
DAVID IGNATIUS THE WASHINGTON POST
Fighting the terrorists we don't know

February 28, 2008

Politicians who talk about the terrorism threat – and it's already clear that this will be a polarizing issue in the 2008 campaign – should be required to read a new book by a former CIA officer named Marc Sageman. It stands what you think you know about terrorism on its head, and helps you see the topic in a different light.

Sageman has a resume that would suit a postmodern John le Carre. He was a case officer running spies in Pakistan, and then became a forensic psychiatrist. What distinguishes his new book, “Leaderless Jihad,” is that it peels away the emotional, reflexive responses to terrorism that have grown up since Sept. 11, 2001, and looks instead at scientific data Sageman has collected on more than 500 Islamic terrorists – to understand who they are, why they attack and how to stop them.

The heart of Sageman's message is that we have been scaring ourselves into overexaggerating the terrorism threat – and then by our unwise actions in Iraq making the problem worse. He attacks head-on the central thesis of the Bush administration, echoed increasingly by Republican presidential candidate John McCain, that, as McCain's Web site puts it, the United States is facing “a dangerous, relentless enemy in the War against Islamic Extremists” spawned by al-Qaeda

read the full article here

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080228/news_lz1e2 8ignatiu.html

ModMark writes:
"I am more concerned with those who do not want to immigrate to the US, after all they are our foreign customers we export to."

Sorry, ModMark, but that's unrealistic and a real stretch. Kind of arrogant, too.

I like French wine, Swiss chocolate and Columbian coffee, but I don't want to immigrate to those countries.

Believe it or not - there are some non-U.S. citizens that are perfectly happy to consume our wares but who do not wish to leave their native lands.

And I'm glad not everyone is busting down our door to get in - you should be, too.


Cold Hard Truth
If we had wanted to "win", we would not have diverted many resources from the Afghan campaign and directed them to attack a nation that had nothing to do with orchestrating the greatest attack on American soil in U.S. history.

I agree with you on the concept of victory, of winning.

Clinton was too scared to devote the necessary resources to Somalia, for fear of antagonizing that part of the world. Touchy-feelie foreign policy. And when he did attack a nation, it was to attack Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Kosovars, many of whose leaders had relationships with Al Qaida.

And with G.W. Bush, it is scarcely any better.

He wants to create more Muslim nations. Saddam's regime, for all his faults, was not a Islamic theocracy. I ain't sure present government of Iraq is not close to being a theocracy. It certainly WILL be a client state of Iran.

In addition, Bush drinks the same multicultural swill that Clinton did on Kosovo. He has endorsed the creation of an Islamic state in the heart of Europe.

What I can't abide is whenever a GOP president errs, all is forgiven, but when a democrat errs, why, all h*ll breaks loose.

I just call them as I see them.

I drink no one's kool-aid.

On Kosovo, BOTH Clinton and G.W. Bush are wrong.


The World in 2009
SteveL, the fact is that we have not been attacked on American soil since 9/11. Had Al Gore been president he would have issued some arrest warrants in the world court and we would have been attacked on American soil again and again.

Without support from Democrats and liberals GWB has worked his butt off to protect us.
Plots have been foiled time and time again in England and here. Some few of those we know about. Others are not publicized in order to keep some of our strategy away from the enemy. I am sure the New York Times would be glad to publish and secret it discovers.

The DIMS do not even want us to eavesdrop on the terrorists, they would rather their pet trial lawyers have a right to sue any entity or person who cooperates with the War on Terror.

President Bush has my admiration for his non-wavering mission of fighting the terrorist.

If you liberals and DIMs would joint the fight we would see a much safer America.

Y'all do not care a whit about the defense or safety of this country, just the power to try to make this a socialist nation of wimps.

ModMark
You're right. It is a global economy.

And as long as we have 300+ million people who are also the world's greatest consumers - these countries that look down on us politically will continue to trade with us. They aren't totally stupid.

Last time I checked, ModMark, America still is the #1 preferred country for immigration.

Wonder why....

Bush 41
Jerabaub:
"Those troops in 1991, whatever their numbers, were not there to remove Saddam."

I concur. But Bush 41 has since said he made a mistake by not removing Saddam. In fact, Colin Powell was against it, and at least in part, persuaded Bush 41 to "stand down."

Bush 41 had a lot of clout with the Saudis (read "House of Bush, House of Saud," et al). If he had really wanted the U.N. mandate, he could have gotten it.

I wish the U.S. would learn "to win" vs. "stalemate." WW2.....ah, those were the days!

jerabaub
jerabaub: "The U.N. mandate did not call for taking out Saddam Hussein."

The point is Saddam Hussein remained in power only to become an increasingly bigger problem.

He contributed to huge instability in a region where instability could no longer be tolerated. Whether or not the policy happened in 1991, or 2003, it was a necessary policy, for the safety and stability of everyone, in an age of very dangerous a-symmetrical warfare.

As Victor Davis Hanson pointed out, removing the conditions that cause jihadism, is good strategic policy. Pres Bush is out in the front of that successful strategy in the Middle East.

I don't
care if the whole world dislikes us, just so they respect us and know it's not wise to mess with us. As Teddy Roosevelt once said, "walk softly but carry a big stick." If we forget all the other touchy feely politicall correct, multiculturalist stupidity and stand as free men and women in a Republic, under God (Yes, I said under God, because like it or not, the unrevised
history of this land, for 400 some years, is that it was DEDICATED to the Propagation of the Gospel) then God will protect us, and bless us again. Right now, I fear we've lost our direction, our fear of a just God and He is about to shake us up.

TD
I absolutely refuse to apologize for George Bush and I still stand by my votes.

Do I agree with everything he has said and done...nope. Never been a president that I have agreed with 100%. That is asking the impossible. I also don't blame him for everything either. One president does not a government make.

jerabaub
jerabaub: "You can apologize for G.W. to your heart's content." "You see the world only thru GOP eyes, apparently."

What does seeing the world thru 'GOP' eyes mean? Huh? Are there GOP eyes that see the world in one, universal way? I see what I see thru MY eyes, thanks very much. Five words: No attacks since 9/11.

I'm not apologizing for Pres Bush because, he doesn't need any apologies. You're wrong in concluding George Bush needs any apologies -- he should get mostly credit.

You can find people out there all day long who want to sell books or get their names in the news, looking at the pathetic details in the micro-picture (like Dems do to their detriment), not the macro-picture in which Pres Bush has put the whuppin on jihadists.

SteveL
You are starting to sound more like "Robert" everyday - "McCain's the answer", "Bush is bad"...

Are you just another of "Robert's" incarnations?

It never occurs to you BDS-inflicted people that perhaps we've had no attacks "over here" because the enemy is a little busy trying to survive "over there" - which was one of the stated objectives of the WOT.

Media Myths
I am so sick of hearing how we are not liked in the world. It is a media myth and a fallacy. Average people do like us in the world but America is viewed as the gravy train and if the gravy stops they get angry.

Media sound bites never give an accurate view and policy and point of view should not be based on that.

Furthermore who cares? If some socialist or communist does or does not like us. We continually make them look bad so of course they aren't gonna like us. I would rather stand for freedom and be despised than turn my back on it only to compromise my principles to win a popularity contest among those that wallow in class envy.

Cold Hard Truth
The U.N. mandate did not call for taking out Saddam Hussein.

Only for removing his forces from Kuwait. Those troops in 1991, whatever their numbers, were not there to remove Saddam.

In fact, I doubt our Arab allies supported removing Saddam.

Luck Ran out?
SteveL wrote:
"But on 9-11, our luck ran out."

Did you sleep through the 80s and 90s? Please tell the widows and children of victims killed by terrorists in those 2 decades that "our luck didn't run out until 2001" and see what they say.

Fact is, our "luck" ran out a long time ago, but certain gov't officials opted to treat it as a paltry "polic" matter, not a National Security matter.



Mr.Hanson
I read your first - four paragraphs.The last three I read,in an attempt to find the "JOKE".By paragraph four I stopped looking for the J, because at that point, I had realized you to be SERIOUS.How Sad?There is no self-respecting fifth grader in America,that would accept your stated summaries as FACT.I almost started to feel "ILL", before I stopped reading.Please in the future, think of your readers,reading should not be hazardous to one's health...Also, next time turn that 9 upside down,it would go better with your STORY.

TD
You can apologize for G.W. to your heart's content.

I don't give him or his administration a pass. Nor do I give Clinton, Reagan or Carter a pass.

Not on the issue of Islam and Islamic terror.

You see the world only thru GOP eyes, apparently.

I don't.

Insofar as this administration's failure on Bin Laden, review the comments of Gary Berntsen, CIA chief in charge of hunting Bin Laden during the invasion of Afghanistan. The operation was called "Jawbreaker". He was there. He repeatedly asked for help.

He is not nearly as kind and gracious as you seem to be to this administration in efforts to get Bin Laden.

He thinks the adminstration blew it big time.

SteveL
It seems like you're trying to argue with me about things I mostly agree with you on.

I completely agree "the enemy leadership is dangerous" and "until the day they are either captured or killed, they can always keep launching counteroffensives". No argument there. I want to kill them all. But to deny that lots of jihadists have died for their cause in a war with George Bush, seems to a bit dishonest; but we can disagree on it. No biggie.

We also both strongly support John McCain; so moving forward into the future, it seems we mostly agree here.

Bush 41 et al
StevenL writes:
"If either McCain or Giuliani had been President on 9-11 instead of Bush, the fight against terrorism would be in much better shape."

Subjective. Facts please.

"That's why Bush 41 sent half a million troops into Iraq, and Bush 43 sent only 130,000."

Even with Bush 41's half mill troops, he failed to take out Saddam. Who's the incompetent one? Bush 41 failed to cleanup a mess, that we're now paying in spades for now.

for SteveL
SteveL: "And that is why you will NEVER hear McCain touting "We haven't been attacked". Because we could be attacked the very day after he makes that claim."

What are you talking about? McCain just said it in a speech YESTERDAY -- he gave George Bush credit for the US not being attacked again. Plus you're lost if you think it's been mere 'luck' that's prevented attacks by jihadists. Are you serious? You've lost all credibilty here, in a real quick hurry.

I'll write it again since you decided to jump into my conversation:

Bush has put al Qaeda through the meatgrinder. Five words: No attacks since 9/11. Plus Pres Bush's Iraq policy will likely stablize a severely messed up part of the world for a very LONG time, too - it's going in that direction now. Wake up, man.

for Vaquero
Vaquero,

you are confusing two subjects.

I am a supporter of McCain (and was a supporter of Giuliani before him) precisely BECAUSE I thought those two men were most competent to win the War on Terror. I was not sidetracked by immigration or abortion or some other damned thing.

But one thing I like about McCain and Giuliani is that they are far more COMPETENT than Bush too. If either McCain or Giuliani had been President on 9-11 instead of Bush, the fight against terrorism would be in much better shape.

Obama is wrong for the nation on ideological grounds.

But Bush has been INCOMPETENT as a commander-in-chief. His strategy was wrong, he didn't know his enemy, and he totally underestimated the enemy's ability to fight.

His father did not. That's why Bush 41 sent half a million troops into Iraq, and Bush 43 sent only 130,000.

for TD: al-Qaeda's recent resurgence
TD claims: "Bush has put al Qaeda through the meatgrinder."

The Weekly Standard, a CONSERVATIVE journal, does not agree with you. They just published an article in which they prove that the al-Qaeda leadership has reconstituted itself and is itching for a rematch.

The article is titled "The al-Qaeda Resurgence."

http://tinyurl.com/33v8us

The intelligence data is too long to go into here. I suggest you read the article for yourself.

And let me explain something to you about war:

The enemy leadership is ALWAYS dangerous, and NEVER "though a meatgrinder" as you claim--until they have surrendered. Until the day they are either captured or killed, they can always keep launching counteroffensives.

What world is the Left living in?
TD, I think the same thing when I read some of the idiot comments made by the lefty liars on TH. What a bunch of fools and tools that respond here! VDH is very clear on what we face with either one of the Dhimmis, Obama or Hillary are disasters in waiting.

wbheff
wbheff: "I suggest that if we follow the latter course, the one favoured by Clinto and Obama, the war will not end, because the enemy, emboldened by our surrender, will greatly increase his attacks."

Inaction will not stop jihadists' plots to attack us, of course not. But it will stop our war on terror, which we've made great progress in fighting so far, which is the point Victor Davis Hanson is making.

In 2009, It Will Be Rejoicing for Demos.
Hanson writes: "Should we press China to clean up its trade practices and grant basic human rights to its own citizens?" Of course - both Demos say the same - clean up the trade agreements. But their responses in the last debate referred to NAFTA. Same for China. And if we have had 31 years of trade deficit, I guess that will fix that problem, won't it? Hey, did you hear the latest joke about the Bush Virtual Border, Project 28? The GAO says it doesn't work. Surprise, surprise! Jorge Bush gave Boeing $20.6 million of the pilot and $65 million for replacement software. Another cool project from our gov'ment. Here's the question Jorge, there are 100 Mexicans with Reagan masks on and poised on that side of the border at night, then at 3:00 A.M. they rush the border and disperse in all directions north. The Virtual Fence caught them all coming and took pictures. Then.............? I do not know how to finish this "question." After the 2008 election, don't worry about a fence. As in the song "This land is your land, this land is my.. whoops, your land" too.

for TD
TD writes: "Five words: No attacks since 9/11."

As of January 2006, you could also have written:

"Five words: The Space Shuttle is safe."

And as of August 2001, many people (both parties) DID say, "The chance of a major terrorist attack on America is remote."

Get it?

You should NEVER equate being lucky with an achievement.

al-Qaeda has been working on DOZENS of plots against us. So far, we've been lucky and intercepted them. All but one.

But on 9-11, our luck ran out.

And our luck will run out again. Guaranteed.

You think our not being attacked is an achievement.

But it could just be a lucky winning streak.
And winning streaks end.
And luck turns.

And that is why you will NEVER hear McCain touting "We haven't been attacked". Because we could be attacked the very day after he makes that claim.

Or we could be attacked tomorrow.

The enemy is always dangerous until he surrenders or is killed.

And Osama has not done either.

jerabaub
jerabaub: "G.W. Bush's failure to capture or kill the one pivotal world figure who orchestrated the horrific devastation to our nation on 9/11; and Bush's disastrous Iraq venture led to the ascendency of a powerful Shia Iran, with Iraq being little more than its client state."

I usually don't reply to people's comments here; but I'm sorry, this is pure, straight up nonsense.

Bush has put al Qaeda through the meatgrinder. Five words: No attacks since 9/11. Plus Pres Bush's Iraq policy will likely stablize a severely messed up part of the world for a very LONG time, too - it's going in that direction now. Wake up, man.

Cannot believe you're seriously trying to criticize Reagan on his foreign policy record, either. What world are you living in?

minor criticism
Mr. Hanson writes, "Osama bin Laden's attacks on Americans also predated George Bush. The war on terror started only when we finally decided to strike back in 2001. And it will end only when we destroy the jihadists and alter the conditions that created them -- or give in and return to the earlier policy of inaction."
I suggest that if we follow the latter course, the one favoured by Clinto and Obama, the war will not end, because the enemy, emboldened by our surrender, will greatly increase his attacks.


Thank you
We are blessed to have your insight, Victor Davis Hanson. I agree with Julia. Thank you.

We can do better. We MUST do better.
There is blame enough to go around.

Carter did undermine the Shah in Iran, which led to the establishment of the first fundamentalist Islamic state of the 20th century(Ataturk's Turkey rejected Islamism, tho recently Turkey has become more fundamentalist). Fundamentalist Islam drew great inspiration from Carter's weakness in dealing with Khomeini.

Reagan's deployment of our troops did lead to the disastrous Lebanon barracks bombing, and after withdrawing our troops in the wake of the bombing was at a loss to militarily respond to the attackers. More inspiration for Islamists. They gave us a black eye, and we could do nothing about it.

Clinton's eight years of fecklessness in retaliating forcibly to repeated provocations from Al Qaida...from WTC 93 thru the SS Cole, also provided inspiration to Islamists. Bin Laden must have been thiking we were just too venal and morally corrupt to even defend ourselves.

G.W. Bush's failure to capture or kill the one pivotal world figure who orchestrated the horrific devastation to our nation on 9/11; and Bush's disastrous Iraq venture led to the ascendency of a powerful Shia Iran, with Iraq being little more than its client state. Iranian mullahs should at least have sent Bush a "Thank You" card. What ingrates!

Whatever the world will be in 2009, I hope we don't continue down the path of the above three presidents regarding how to deal with threat from Islam.

Sell our souls
Plus the notion that the future US President would sell his or her soul in exchange for conditional, short-term peace - simply turns my stomach. No Neville Chamberlains, please.

Concerned that a couple of the candidates running for President right now, would stoop to that level.

John McCain's not one of them.

Completely agree with Julia's comments. VDH continues to offer his brilliant insight.

Here trolls...
"No longer" is another osrtich fool with his head in the sand and still believes our efforts wasted in Iraq. To this troll and the others- go read Michael Yon's "Anbar Awakening" and deny the progress and the coalitions being formed by all the religious groups...My only answer is that you will continue to balme Bush and pray for failure, but It isn't gonna happen.

It's about time
Thank you, Mr. Hanson, for saying what seemed so obvious. But, as with most obvious truths, they have to be said to counteract that "Big Lies" being circulated daily (hourly). This is the perfect article to share with Liberal friends and to which they will have a hard time denying the truths plainly stated.

Good Thing That McCain Next President
VDH provides another insightful analysis. It will be a good thing that an experienced foreign policy hawk in John McCain will be our next President.

Reasonable diagnosis. Now, treatment?
--
The presidential election of Barack Hussein Obama (which seems ever more likely) will invariably be interpreted by the world as confirmation of increasing American weakness, just as was the election of Jimmy Carter, and they'll be right.

I personally favor the foreign policy prescriptions of Dr. Paul, whose assessment of the pathology and the resources available to meet it are far more realistic than that of any "front-runner" candidate for the presidency.

Especially that of Senator Obama, whose blithe stupidity regarding "taking out 'high-value terrorist targets' inside Pakistan" betrays an awe-inspiring lack of knowledge about that cobbled-together post-World-War-II residue of the Raj which has always been the descriptive illustration of the concept "failed state."

The strategic question to ask is "What constitutes and supports the strength of these United States as an actor on the world scene?"

What characteristic of our nation enables us to recruit, train, field, and support the military, naval, and air forces we've used to such demonstrated effect over the past couple of decades? What enabled us to hold the Soviet Union by the throat for half a century until it simply strangled itself to death in our grasp?

To put it succinctly, it was (and continues to be) the efficiency and efficacy of a division-of-labor economy relatively - when compared against the economies of other nations - free of government intervention.

When President Obama and his Democrat Party colleagues in the Congress gain the power to shove their "Liberal" controls into the machinery of the American marketplace, they're going to screw it up big-time.

And that's going to hurt us badly on the international scene.

Think of it as political malpractice.

--

What a joke
"A stabilizing constitutional Iraq should result in a steadily diminishing American presence there."

That's just about priceless. The Sunnis militias have no intention of willingly joining the Shiite govenrment any more now than they did 5 years ago. And the Kurds have established an autonomous region.

And the Shiites are forming an authoritarian democracy similar to Iran and allied with Iran.

But thanks for the laugh.
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