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Thursday, January 17, 2008
Victor Davis Hanson :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Use and Abuse of Reagan
by Victor Davis Hanson
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Ronald Reagan’s presidency was a great success. He rebuilt a chaotic U.S. military and helped end the Cold War. Reagan’s radical tax cuts in 1981 spurred economic growth and redefined the relationship between U.S. citizens and their government. And he appointed conservative federal judges and bureaucrats who tried to roll back the half-century trend of expanded governmental control over our lives.

Reagan’s nice-guy charm made it difficult for even his critics to stay angry with him for long. But he was no mere smiling dunce, as liberal intellectuals used to snicker. His private papers and diaries instead reveal that he was widely informed, read voraciously, drew on a powerful intellect and was an effective writer.

It is no wonder that conservative leaders — especially the current crop of Republican presidential hopefuls — now constantly evoke Ronald Reagan’s successful presidency. In contrast, they rarely hearken back to the uprightness of the one-term Gerald Ford, or praise the foreign-policy accomplishments of the two Bush Republican presidencies.

Instead, the candidates try to “out-Reagan” each other by claiming they alone are the true Reaganites while their rivals in the primaries are too liberal, flip-floppers or without consistent conservative principles.

In short, Ronald Reagan has been beatified into some sort of saint, as if he were above the petty lapses and contradictions of today’s candidates. The result is that conservatives are losing sight of Reagan the man while placing unrealistic requirements of perfection on his would-be successors.

They have forgotten that Reagan — facing spiraling deficits, sinking poll ratings and a hostile Congress — reluctantly signed legislation raising payroll, income and gasoline taxes, some of them among the largest in our history. He promised to limit government and eliminate the Departments of Education and Energy. Instead, when faced with congressional and popular opposition, he relented and even grew government by adding a secretary of veteran affairs to the Cabinet.

Two of his Supreme Court appointments, Sandra Day O’Connor and Anthony Kennedy, were far more liberal than George W. Bush’s selections, the diehard constructionists, John Roberts and Samuel Alito.

Reagan’s 1986 comprehensive immigration bill turned out to be the most liberal amnesty for illegal aliens in our nation’s history, and set the stage for the present problem of 12 million aliens here unlawfully.

Republicans forget all this — but so do Democrats, who for their own reasons want to perpetuate an unflattering myth of Ronald Reagan as an extremist right-wing reactionary.

In foreign affairs, Reagan was not always sober and judicious. He shocked Cold Warriors by advocating complete nuclear disarmament at his Reykjavik summit with Michel Gorbachev.

In the middle of Lebanon’s civil war, he first put American troops into a crossfire. Then, when 241 marines were blown up, he withdrew them. That about-face, and the failure to retaliate in serious fashion, helped to embolden Hezbollah’s anti-American terrorism for decades.

The Iran-Contra scandal exploded when a few rogue administration officials sold state-of-the-art missiles under the table to Iran’s terrorist-sponsoring theocracy, and prompted opposition talk of impeachment.

In other words, a great president like Ronald Reagan made mistakes. He sometimes reversed positions, played politics and baffled his conservative base — some of the very charges now leveled against Mike Huckabee, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson.

When a candidate today says, “Reagan would have done this or that,” he apparently has a poor memory of what Reagan — the often lonely, flesh-and-blood conservative in the 1980s — was forced to do to get elected, govern and be re-elected. While in office, he proved more often the pragmatic leader than the purist knight slaying ideological dragons on the campaign trail.

So what is the real Reagan legacy? It is mostly the Great Communicator’s uncanny ability to distill complex problems, offer a more conservative solution than America was used to or ready for, and then inspire and enact difficult change through a brilliant “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall” turn of phrase.

But 2008 is a different world from a quarter-century ago, when Reagan began his presidency. Amnesiac candidates need to separate the myth of Reagan — the perfect conservative — from the real man when stridently chastising their rivals for their past fudging on taxes, illegal immigration or the size of government.

The current pack of five serious Republican candidates should call on the spirit and principled inspiration of Ronald Reagan for guidance about new problems in the way they evoke Abraham Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt.

But these candidates only do his memory — and their own careers — a disservice by claiming sainthood for Ronald Reagan, and thereby demanding a standard of immaculate conservative conduct that neither Reagan nor they could ever attain.

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Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and a recipient of the 2007 National Humanities Medal.

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Even Reagan was no Reagan
I was REALLY hoping that none of the columnists here or elsewhere would pick up on this. But now that the cat is out of the bag so to speak, if you guys want to win the election, you should read this column and take it seriously. As I said, even Reagan is no Reagan, and as long as you guys keeping comparing your candidates to this unrealistic ideal, you will be fractured.

George Washington's disservice
Many countries separate head of state from head of government. Queen & Prime Minister, for example.

Our presidency was designed with George Washington in mind, who was good at both. We've suffered ever since.

Most presidents are at most good at only one of the two, either good administrators, or have "the vision thing", as non-visionary GWH Bush put it.

Vision examples: Reagan, Kennedy.
Administrartors: GWH Bush? Eisenhower?

How about the current crop:
Obama, McCain, Thompson, Paul - Vision.
Romney, Gulliani - admin.
Clinton?
Huckabee?
Edwards?

If I were running for President...
... as a Conservative Republican and wanted to claim a role model that people could look to as an indication of what kind of President I would be, Ronald Regan would definitely be my second choice. My first choice is someone a bit more contemporary. That would be Rush Limbaugh. Having been on the air for so many years (17, 18, 19?) and broadcast on over 600 stations nationwide with millions of listeners every day, 3 hours a day! Rush Limbaugh is someone that is now, not a couple of decades ago.

And I'd be taking (stealing) my daily talking points from his daily broadcasts. You better believe that come election day, my benchmark will be the GOP candidate that most sounds like El Rushbo and shares Rush's unwavering respect for and adherence to classic conservative ideals and policies.

bryce3
Oh, aren't you special. Thanks soooo....much for your wisdom. We'll take it up at the next meeting of the "VAST-RIGHT-WING-CONSPIRACY" meeting, just after the South Carolina primary. Be sure to give us your e-mail address so we can include you, too. BTW, your canidates articulate what, exactly?????

WOW should Rudy drop out?
After $40 Million Giuliani Still Beaten By Ron Paul


HP-Lost amid the celebration over Mitt Romney’s win in the Michigan primary on Tuesday night was an equally noteworthy electoral result. Rudy Giuliani, the one-time frontrunner for the Republican nomination, placed sixth in the state. The three percent of the vote he received was just one point higher than that cast for “uncommitted.” Even more remarkable, this was the second time in three primary elections that the former New York City mayor ended up behind five of his GOP competitors — including Ron Paul.

Despite spending an estimated $40 million in his pursuit of the White House, Giuliani has nary a primary victory to show.

WATCH VIDEO


http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/after-40-million-g iuliani-still-beaten-by-ron-paul

Konop writes: WOW should Rudy drop out?

Good question.

But John "WATCH VIDEO" Konop should DEFINITELY drop out!!!!!!





agreeing with Anne
I just ignore posts from recognized Paulistinians. They are so seldom on topic that they don't add anything to the conversation at hand.

Have they got around to saying "Ron Paul is Love" yet?

C_Miner writes: "Have they got around to

saying "Ron Paul is Love" yet?"

That was a great question. :-)

Not to seem mean spirited, but somehow I just cannot equate paul = love!!!

There has not yet been an interview or debate that paul hasn't struck me as an angry, petulant, strident little man.

paul = love? Naw!


But, the paulists... maybe they will... You never know.













Question:
What makes Rudy "electable" at this point?



On "being Reagan"... part 1
The political environment today won't allow "another Reagan". There are too many self-appointed "truth detectors" (read: water muddiers) who take everything said/done by a politician in his whole life and want to compare it to everything else he's ever said/done in his life, and enforce a ruthless code of consistency on it that NO ONE could possibly meet. How many of you have NEVER changed your mind on a core principle? If a candidate has such a scanty record of positions that they have never changed on any of those positions, do we really want to entrust them with leadership of our great Republic? Only in a case where a candidate has a long and relatively consistent record of being on the "wrong side" of issues will I rule them out in my mind.

Beyond that, I look for two things: Can he communicate the IDEAS of conservative thought in a way that will inspire people to support them, and do his actions in the past lead to the conclusion that he BELIEVES in those ideas, and WANTS to try to put them into effect.

There can't be "another Reagan", but that doesn't mean that the "Reagan era" is over, just that we need someone to lead us, in the maanner that Reagan led us. By inspiring us to seek the best that we can bring to our part in life, by having the courage to speak his convictions, even if he can't always live up to them. Few of us can do that... but it is not an impossible standard to seek.

On "being Reagan"... part 2
With my previous post in mind, I see three candidates that I believe COULD do the two things that I find important:

- Fred Thompson (when I listen to him speak, he makes me think of Reagan... not that he IS Reagan, but he makes me think of Reagan)

- Mitt Romney (He LOOKS a little too good - but when I hear him speak, I feel his sincerity. He's not 100% right, and he seems to have changed his mind, but I believe that he believes what he says.)

- Duncan Hunter (He has no chance at the nomination, because by this time, you HAVE to have at least given the impression that you could win a primary... unfortunately, Duncan has not done that. If he had, I'd be enthusiastically endorsing him. He's my #1 pick for VP, though)


On "being Reagan"... part 3
The others:

Ron Paul's heart is definitely in the right place, but I feel like he has alienated too many people (not entirely his fault) to really lead. It's not enough to have the right ideas, you HAVE to be able to convince others that they are the right ideas.

John McCain fails the second of my two tests - his actions in the Senate have too many times been at odds with the ideas of conservatism. He takes Reagan's pragmatism too far... so far that he finds himself disagreeing with his party too much.

Rudy Guliani is a fine technocrat, and might even have some conservative ideas, but he does not convince me that he wants to move America in that way, only that he would be really good at making things work... not neccesarily how we would want them to work.

Mike Huckabee is the perfect example of the problem with much of the "Moral Majority"/"Religious Right"/"Evangelical Conservatives" etc..., and I have always considered myself to be part of that movement. I part ways with him because I believe that he does not see liberty and freedom as the best way to achieve the social ends we wish for. He believes that government can "make things right". There are some social issues that need legislation/programs, but they are few. Mostly, we as Christians and conservatives need to inspire people to choose the "right" ideas. Conversion by government coercion does not work - just ask the former Soviet Union.

I've rambled on a lot here... just to say that NO ONE is going to be the "perfect" candidate, and if that's what you're looking for, you're setting yourself up to be disappointed.

In defense of Reagan
Although Professor Hanson's points are correct, let me defend a few of Reagan's mistakes. The 1982 tax increases, although wrong, were made after the much larger tax cuts of 1981. The tax reform of 1986 cut taxes once again, getting the top rate down to 28 %. The amnesty of 1986 was to be a one time deal concerning less than 3 million Mexicans at a time when Mexicans were not conquering neighborhoods, towns, cities and even counties like they are today. The enforcement aspects of the 1986 amnesty never occurred. The failed Supreme Court picks of Mrs. O'Connor and Mr. Kennedy can also be blamed on a conservative judicial movement that was still inchoate, unlike today where judicial conservatism is highly institutionalized and politically organized.

Disinterested and Uncommitted
Naame recognition and the fact that no other candidate has emerged as a front runner. The GOP base is still divided, giving Rudy what he sees as his opening. It appears that he did not think he could win in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, Wyoming, Michigan or South Carolina. And, he couldn't. Thompson has stated that South Carolina is his make or break state, Rudy has selected Florida with the hope of riding a victory into Super Tuesday. Right now, those campaigning have risen nationally because they've been getting the media exposure - whereas Rudy has had much less. As long as there are 4 or 5 candidates dividing up the vote - the nomination is up for grabs. In reality, the winner in Iowa, New Hampshire and Michigan were those that were Disinterested or Uncommitted. Some may think that this is an important election - yet the large majority of the GOP voters aren't bothering to make a decision and vote.

Mr. Hanson
Is spot-on, as usual. No, no President is as perfect as our memory would like it to be. The bottom line for me, is that when Reagan had to back down, he never apologized for it. Not only that, but he still managed to keep the respect of his administration, conngress and the like.
Since when is it right, in the name of power to liken your Country's leader to Hitler? This is something that surely must make RWR turn in his grave. It shouldn't matter what side of the fence you are on, either. Respect is respect. And I dare anyone to find where GWB has said anything as remeotely nasty as those he is the boss of...

Reagan
While he was in office he had to deal with a hostile dem congress that had complete control of congress for 40 years.It was amazing that he got as much done as he did.Most important he loved this country and showed it.

DL
But why weren't the enforcement aspects of the amnesty applied?

VDH - thanks, the beatification of Reagan does no-one any good.

The reason
all these RINOs claim to be the next Reagan? Because Reagan is now dead and can't call them on it. If Reagan were alive, there are maybe three candidates he would endorse:

Thompson
Hunter
Ron Paul

And seeing that Ron Paul was a VERY close friend to Reagan, his biggest praise would have been for him.

Annie, you call get all shrill, childish, and ignorant like you always do, but Reagan is ON RECORD supporting and praising Ron Paul.

I find it
humble and classy that the one GOP candidate that doesn't strum the drum of Reagan is the one that was closest to him, had mutual respect with him, yet criticized him when Reagan was wrong: Ron Paul. Reagan had some very nice and respectful things to say about Dr. Paul. Ron campaigned for him when Reagan was considered a "fringe" candidate.

Re: Hysterical Historians
"In the middle of Lebanon’s civil war, he first put American troops into a crossfire. Then, when 241 marines were blown up, he withdrew them. That about-face, and the failure to retaliate in serious fashion, helped to embolden Hezbollah’s anti-American terrorism for decades."

"Following the collapse of the government of President Amin Gemayel and intensified fighting between the Lebanese army and Moslem militiamen in Beirut, President Reagan announced Feb. 7 that the U.S. Marine contingent in Beirut would be withdrawn to ships offshore. At the same time, Reagan authorized military commanders to launch air strikes and artillery bombardments against Syrian-controlled positions that fired on Beirut. On Feb. 8, American warships mounted a nine-hour artillery barrage against pro-Syrian militia positions, in what was described as the largest U.S. naval action since the Vietnam War."

Obviously, Hanson, as does most "historically challenged" Leftist fail to acknowledge that the Marine Barrack bombing, which took place in October 1983 - nearly 5 months earlier, was not "cause and effect" for the Feb. 1984 troop pullout in Lebanon. Instead it was the collapse of the government of Amin Gemayel, whom the US had been supporting, thus ending any possibility of peace in Lebanon - the only reason our Marines were there.

Troops from the US, Britain and Italy were introduced into Civil War torn Lebanon in order to get the Israel Army that was occupying Beirut - out. In this it was successful.

BTW, "a nine-hour artillery barrage" including the main guns of the USS New Jersey - is pretty "serious" retaliation - just ask Saddam's Republican Guard!

What we need to do
is pay attention to what we think Reagan stood for.

Pay close attention to McCain and realize he is no Reagan. Cease being in love with his prisoner history and consider what he says like support for global warming legislation, against drilling in Anwar, wants to close Gitmo, against tax cuts

The real President Reagan
Thank you for bringing us back to reality about President Reagan. President Bush faced a declining economy and then an attack against our nation. He has done a good job and it's totally ridiculous to try to guess 'what would Reagan do?' I live in the midwest and the farm economy went through tough times in the 1980's. It was probably more cyclical than Reagan's fault, but it still happened. I don't recall President Reagan doing much to stop abortion, other than talking. There was a lot of Government spending and debt under President Reagan. Woe, our short emotional memories!!

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you Mr. Hans
Please repost this to as many friends and fellow GOP'ers as you can. Let's remember the one thing Reagan did do right...the eleventh commandment.

Ronald Reagan and Ron Paul
Ronald Reagan surprised everyone. He was a pretty decent President. But he came to power on the revolt against a failed Presidency - in 1979 Reagan was considered a radical wacko by many. He proved differently. The point here is that the rise of Ron Paul is not about Ron Paul - it is about a the failed Presidency of George Bush.
Ohg
http://thefiresidepost.com/2007/12/26/ronald-reagan-and-ron -paul/

Fine cigar for VDH
Very good article.

I have sometimes criticized VDH for what I view as his too predictable defense of the neocons and this administration.

But here he offers sage advice. Reagan was a great president, but he did make mistakes. Mistakes that cost the lives of Americans.
He was no saint.

But he did many great things, with the help of Pope John Paul and Lech Walensa, he helped to bring about the dissolution of the USSR..his greatest achievement...but he had help. Still, without Reagan, its dissolution would have taken longer.

There is nothing blasphemous about republicans disagreeing with other republicans...Reagan's 11th commandment notwithstanding.

We are Americans FIRST, not republicans, democrats or independents.

As such, republicans have every right, as Americans, do comment, agree, or disagree, with this or any other administration, GOP or Democrat.

Anne-VDH
Anne, Dittos on Konop's Cow Flop!

VDH - WELL DONE!

Got Iran Contra Wrong
Iran Contra was a deal we made for Iran's Sha to buy arms from us and give them to the Contras, fighting the communist Sandanistas in Nicaragua.

It was the communist loving Sandalistas (Democrats) in congress that didn't like this. Democrats have been loving communists from uncle Joe Stalin to present day Chavez types.

Its that love affair with government socialism that attracts them. Now they are embracing islamofascism as their newest misunderstood, enemy of conservatives. Since conservatives hate the terrorists, the terrorists must be good.

Democrats suck!

Reagan is NOT a God
Republicans talk about Reagan as if he was a God.
The greatest thing since sliced bread.

The more power the Republicans party lose the higher the pedestal they erect for Reagan. As if he will come up from hell and lead them to the promised land.

In 20 years the Republican Party will confined the southern states. Where Reagan name will only be mention by Right-Wing zealots waving the confederate flag.

Shelf Life- 20 years
The shelf life of great presidents and their hold on the party they led is no more than twenty years. You had Jeffersonian Democratic-Republicans but Democrats calling themselves that ebbed in the 1820s. Then there were the Jacksonian Democrats but they were virtually extinct by the mid-1840s. In modern times, Democrats stopped calling themselves FDR Democrats by the mid-60s. Reagan has been out of power for nearly twenty years, wasn't an active party builder afterwards, and has been dead since 2004. Respect what Reagan did, acknowledge he was the finest president of his era, but we live in new times and there are new ways to approach problems. Let Ronald Reagan rest in peace.

Reagan and SNL
Back in the 80s Saturday Night Live did a skit about Reagan. The essence of the skit was don't elect Reagan president, make him king!

If the hysterical republicans of post WWII had not passed the 22nd amendment, Reagan could have been elected president at least 2 more times and maybe 3. He was that likable. He was the conservative answer to JFK (I can only dream of a debate between those two).

He played to the camera better than any republican before or since. He was not as bad as democrats think or as great as republicans believe. I did not want him as president, but would have loved to have had him as a neighbor.

And while you are at it, Part I
Let's include the founding fathers.

Washington, Adams, Jefferson and the like.

These men were not perfect either.

It is not uncommon in debates about the role of religion in this country to see both sides spouting quotes from the founders.

What is unheard of is either conservative or liberal be critical of the truthfulness of the founders.

Washington *was* a politician and quite capable of saying what he felt the public wanted to hear and not necessarily how he felt.

Then you have religion. In this election cycle many conservatives have come down on Mormonism being loony and secretive. Yet Mormonism has nothing on the Free Masons. Washington and many of the founders were Free Masons. Let's have a vote to see which is wackier and more secretive: Free Masonry or Mormonism. Arguably the Free Masons had far and away more influence at the founding of this country than the Mormons could ever dream about having today.


And while you are at it, Part II
Then there is my favorite founder, Benjamin Franklin. Franklin, as the post master, regularly opened mail for spying. When called on it in England he lied and denied ever doing such a thing. An American in England defending Franklin's honor got into a duel over Franklin's honor and almost died in said duel. The same man struck up a duel for the exact same reason a few weeks later. It was only when this guys life was on the line that Franklin came out and admitted the truth of spying in order to stop this crazy American from dying in a duel. He didn't want to see the poor guy killed.

Finally, Franklin was a patron of Thomas Paine's. When Paine showed Franklin his latest book "The Age of Reason", Franklin, while agreeing with Paine's writing, advised Paine his book went to far criticizing religion and to not print it. People were not ready to hear it and Pained'd be outcast for his blasphemy. Thus revealing how Franklin really felt about religion was different than what he was publicly willing to admit.

It's not just the canonizing of Reagan which is hurting conservatives and this country, but the deifying of the founders as something infallible rather than flesh-and-blood as well.

Although notably, the Press during their own times had no problem criticizing quite vehemently any of the founders.

bryce3 -- on the nail!
For Nos Nevets -- as far as the current crop of candidates, most of them are good at....neither vision nor administration.

Thank you
For the reminder that Ronald Reagan was indeed just a man. I think he was a great president, probaly the best of the 20th century (definitely the best of my lifetime), and I am proud to have cast my first vote for president for him. However, after the last Republican debate I'm starting to get sick of his name. I wish the candidates would be Reagan-like without having to invoke him at every turn.

Reagan Gave Us Hope
Whatever his shortfall, and Dr. Hanson has noted many, Reagan gave a nation that had lost a little bit of its confidence and swagger a renewed sense of optimism.

This same sense of optimism is what won Mitt the Michigan primary recently and what every conservative must take to heart in order to not just win the nomination but change the world for the better.

Reagan was dealing with lots of Dems
So had to stick to the really big issues and let some of the somewhat lesser ones go.

However, upbraiding him for Lebanon in that way is seriously mistaken, as another poster has already noted.

Reagan's radio address after the attack stated this:
"Yes, the situation in Lebanon is difficult, frustrating, and dangerous. But that is no reason to turn our backs on friends and to cut and run. If we do, we'll be sending one signal to terrorists everywhere: They can gain by waging war against innocent people."

Reagan was proved prescient again.

The Dems saw it much differently, of course.
Three months or so after the attack, with public support having fallen [Dems are *always* looking for approval], the House agreed on a non-binding resolution calling for "the prompt and orderly withdrawal" of U.S. troops from Lebanon in the wake of a suicide bombing at the Marine barracks in Beirut and declining public support for the peacekeeping mission. President Reagan was publicly defiant. So, the Dems cut funding -- or threatened to cut funding -- for those troops.

Within days, the order was given for the Marines to begin withdrawal from Lebanon, which was fully completed in just a few weeks.

Likewise, on the tax increases,
Dems promised to cut $2 in spending for every $1 increase in taxes, but never did so. Hmm, that's probably the best evidence that Reagan really could be somewhat naive at times, if he believed the Dems would ever keep an agreement.

RA
Sorry friend you are incorrect. The Shah of Iran had been deposed during the Carter Administration when that worst-President-ever nominee abandoned him (and gave us Khomeni and a true theocracy, which led to suicide bombers and the current War on Terror.) You might recall the "students" taking our embassy in Tehran and holding our people hostage for 444 days. They were release day Reagan was inagurated.

The Republican party should be outlawed
To make such a statement is not only an admission of treason, but the typical lie of the conservatives:

The Iran-Contra scandal exploded when a few rogue administration officials sold state-of-the-art missiles under the table to Iran’s terrorist-sponsoring theocracy, and prompted opposition talk of impeachment.

No, sir, you were convicted of treasonable acts. And you were not "rogue elements", because the whole team is back, running our current train-wreck of a foreign policy. Well, you could call it a train-wreck, if it weren't just so.... profitable.

First action: Reinstall the punishment for treason, Drawing and quartering, alive. Then, start the trials!

trughes, get a clue
"First action: Reinstall the punishment for treason, Drawing and quartering, alive. Then, start the trials!"

This is exactly why we have the Constitutional protection against "cruel and unusual punishment," which not a lack of cable TV like the ACLU thinks .... you must be one of those "compassionate liberals" to propose such a ghastly punishment for your political enemies. Only you who prate on about "compassion" are so vicious. Utterly appalling. It is hard to put into words just what an awful thing this is, both what you are proposing and that you would propose it at all for your political foes. Funny how liberals complain that we compare them with communists, and then they take after Stalin. Of course Reagan was instrumental in the defeat of the Soviet Union, so their stooges naturally scream ...

As to treason, we can start with Hanoi Jane Fonda ... see _Aid and Comfort: Jane Fonda in North Vietnam_ by Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer. Pretty well covers the legal situation, the Justice Department could have nailed her. Of course treason, like murder, has no statute of limitations.

Then there's all the liberals who regularly violate the Logan Act .... although that may not be definable as treason, YMMV.

The war was treason
Vietnam and Iraq were both treasonable lies. There was no threat issuing from either of them. Look at how peaceful (and economically strong) the greatest Commuist state the world has ever produced is today. Half of our economy is build on China's back. And yet, we thought the Soviet Union and Vietnam and Iraq were threats to us. We destroyed ourselves destroying them.
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