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Friday, July 13, 2007
Victor Davis Hanson :: Townhall.com Columnist
Upside-Down Politics in the Middle East
by Victor Davis Hanson
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Jimmy Carter - a self-proclaimed champion of human rights and nonviolence - has called the U.S.'s unwillingness to accept the 2006 Palestinian election of the terrorists of Hamas "criminal."

But unlike Carter, Egyptian reformer Sa'd Al-Din Ibrahim - no friend of the United States - thinks members of Hamas are real criminals.

In an article on the terrorist organization's recent takeover of Gaza, Ibrahim wrote, "The Hamas fighters behaved in a barbaric, bloody manner, while repeatedly (shouting) ŒAllahu Akbar' and religious prayers. . . . The victors executed a number of Fatah leaders and fighters, shooting them or throwing them from the roofs of buildings, with no trial - not even a mock trial."

Carter is one among many Western liberals who either ignore or, worse, defend Hamas and other acknowledged enemies of free speech, due process and religious and political tolerance.

After the attempted jihadist bombings last month in London and Glasgow, new British Prime Minister Gordon Brown announced that his ministers were not to connect Muslims with terrorism. Then he even ordered the nomenclature of a "war against terror" dropped.

But a former British jihadist, Hassan Butt, argued in an op-ed in the Guardian of London concerning the failed plots that Islam is integral to the current epidemic of global terrorism.

"What drove me and many of my peers to plot acts of extreme terror within Britain, our own homeland and abroad," wrote Butt, "was a sense that we were fighting for the creation of a revolutionary state that would eventually bring Islamic justice to the world."

In anger at the Bush administration's refusal to meet with the Assad regime in Syria - which conducts assassinations of Lebanese reformers, aids terrorists in Iraq and funds Hezbollah and Hamas - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi flew to Damascus for direct talks.

Yet some of her critics were liberal Syrians fighting for freedom at great risk to their lives.

"So much of Syria's opposition was against Pelosi's visit, against the EU's talks with the regime," remarked Syrian reformist Akram al-Bunni. "They believe that these offers of friendship strengthen the regime and increase its totalitarian tendencies, and they're angry."

Western liberals seek to downplay the Islamic roots of terrorism and engage in dialogue with authoritarian regimes and movements. Meanwhile, Middle Eastern dissidents find themselves in an odd, if not embarrassing marriage of sorts with the conservative Bush administration on the need to identify and confront the causes and abettors of intolerance and terror.

What explains such strange political alliances?

Modern liberals - fearful of offending non-Westerners - have almost become more like old-time conservatives in their "live and let live" politics and neo-isolationism. Continued...

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Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and a recipient of the 2007 National Humanities Medal.

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Reply to Len
len:
"You worship at the shrine of democratically elected govt by people who get an orgasm by sending their children to be suicide bombers. So, you are all hot to trot on form and not substance."

This is truly a first, no one at TH has ever accused me of supporting elected democracy too much. And until you produce Semen-Stained robes as evidence, I'll regard your 2nd statement as hate speech and slander, meant to dehumanize your opponents to justify your treatment of them, much as the Nazis sought to paint the Jews as less than human.

I abhor suicide bombings as well as any other kind of terrorism, but I regard it as the logical extremity of despair and hopelessness. A young person born in the same refugee camp that his great-grandparents were driven into, having grown up on stories of the homeland they lost, is of course vulnerable to being manipulated into performing such atrocities.

len:
"Right or wrong in some abstract sense the international community carved out Israel and arab lands from old Ottoman empire and then the british take over of it.
The arabs rejected this and went to war. The israelis won because of their superior culture"

The Arabs fighting Israelis fortunately had different agendas, often at cross-purposes with each other. I'm glad they lost. But if I were an Arab in 1947, and I saw what a U.N. committee with no Arab representation (save Iran) gave the Jews, and how much more it was than what they had actually settled by then, I might have rejected it, too.

And I blame the 1948 war mostly on the Jews themselves. With the bombing of the King David Hotel they culminated some two decades of not just biting but trying to chew off the hand that was feeding them. The war-weary (and war-bankrupt) British should not have left, America and the U.N. should have massively assisted, but one way or another that region needed at least another decade of mandate rule during which a stable and peaceful Israel and Palestine might have been established.

A person more cynical than I might claim that Israel had calculated it's odds of winning the war with the Arabs quite accurately, and failed only to conquer Eretz Yisraoel from the Sinai to the Euphrates.

len:
"...So one cannot isolate Hamas from the general picture. Apparantly, you don't take Hamas seriously in their stated goals to exterminate the Jews in Israel."

Of course I take that threat seriously, just as I take seriously the Likud party's stated aim that there will never ever be an Independent Palestinian State. I reject both positions as inimical to any hope of a stable peace in the Middle East.

Were I the president of the USA, should I ignore, reject, and wage economic warfare against any Israeli government with Likud representation? Should I tell myself that it's for the Israeli people's own good, and that if only I rain down poverty, chaos, deprivation and enslavement making their very existence a Living Hell for a long enough time, then they will achieve enlightenment and select a government more to my taste?

len:
"So I am not impressed with your arguments that the Hamas govt should have been rewarded. Maybe is word we use when we hope. And what I see from you is some kind of hope based on what I dont know that Hamas will evolve into rational people. But you should be wise enough to see the other side and apparantly you do not want to."

All I can see is that since the 1950's the policy of the USA, and to the extent that we could control it the policy of the rest of the Western World, has pretty much followed your ideology. Israel is good, Israel can do no wrong, Israel should do whatever it wants and America should keep it's Mouth Shut and it's two-Billion-plus dollars/year flowing, and the Palestinians and the Arabs are evil, they can do no Right, every single thing they do has zero justification and civilization's only hope is to beat them all into submission and/or extinction.

That's been the way of things, and frankly the results flat-out SUCK. In over sixty years this approach has produced no peace, no justice, just an endless strife with no hope for anything better in sight. It's time for something different.

Or it was time, anyway. The Palestinians had made a real change, they threw out an ineffective and corrupt old guard. Now, there's just chaos with an Israeli-occupied puppet West Bank and Hamasistan or something in Gaza.

len:
"Jimmy Carter, France all thought that Khomeni was the savior. Same kind of hope you have. Interestly enough the pschopath Sadamm Hussein read Khomeni better than the gushy liberals and expelled him from Iraq."

The savior for whom, Western Oil Companies?
Are you capable of recognizing that what's best for the USA, the West and Israel is not necessarily what's best for the people of Iran, or does that idea just make your head explode?
Were the Iranian people better off under the Shah and his SAVAK, or did he just do a better job of serving foreign interests (ours) by keeping that oil pumping, so we could stay fat, happy and stupid ignoring what he did to his people?

I wish to God that Islamic Religious Fanatics did not rule Iran, but can you blame the Iranians for throwing out the Shah? Wouldn't it have been great if America and the West had swallowed it's pride over the hostage crisis and ENGAGED with the new government, perhaps trying to help the Fatah-- err, I mean secularists-- achieve a more workable balance with the clerics than the wild-eyed, Islamic-radical, terror-exporting Ayatollah-run government they have now?

len:
"So, yes, you can make your argument to support hamas, but you should also understand that there are reasons not to. So what is the right answer. You are so sure of yourself that smells of fanaticism. I am suspiious of your formal arguments re democratic elections."

If I've made any sense to you at all you should see that my reasons for supporting THAT particular democratic government at THAT particular time are nothing other than Realistic, Opportunistic even. And not just for the cause of Israeli-Palestinian relations. A few degrees of longitude East we're engaged in thoroughly stupid Iraq war, as ruinous to the cause of the War on Terrorism as it is to that of Middle East peace, but we are desperately trying to graft some kind of Democratic government onto a people who view the concept as something from another planet. We complain and punish them when they try to manipulate the democratic process to serve their own needs. "It'll never work if you don't have faith in the process and give it an honest chance," we tell them. And then we turn around and over in the Palestinian territories we----
ahhh, if I have to keep rubbing your nose in it like this then I'm wasting my time, you're just incapable of recognizing hypocrisy and it's consequences.

len:
"The Iranian people and the left in this country hailed the Khomeni revolution and supported it democratically. The cuban people hailed Castro. The French thru the democratic process at first supported the Vichy regime in WW II."

I don't know about the Vichy France, if they were elected it was with Nazis encouraging the voters at gunpoint, but from Iran and Cuba I learn this:

If we support evil regimes that oppress their peoples (like the Shah and Batista) because those governments serve our interests, those governments will eventually get kicked out and be replaced by other governments. Their peoples may or may not like these new Governments, but it's a safe bet that WE will definitely not like them, and they WONT serve our interests.

len:
"AS for Hirsi Ali, all the liberal reviews were negative; They are uncomfortable with her."

What little I've heard of Hirsi Ali (until now) was from the dreaded mainstream media (NPR, I think) and it was complimentary.


multiculturalist
You worship at the shrine of democratically elected govt by people who get an orgas m by sending their children to be suicide bombers. So, you are all hot to trot on form and not substance.

One cannot isolate the election from the big picture. And that is this. Right or wrong in some abstract sense the international community carved out Israel and arab lands from old Ottoman empire and then the british take over of it.

The arabs rejected this and went to war. The israelis won because of their superior culture--clearly not because of numbers and weapons. Since the ending of that war there were incursions into its territories of the Arab lands. Then we have the shutting down of waterways which are the lifeline of any country leading to the '67 war which again Israel won.

For whatever reason, the arabs are not multicultural when it comes to Israel and it appears to mentally drive them out of their minds that the only successful culture which built itself up from a desert is the only succesful culture in bring prosperity to its people.

So one cannot isolate Hamas from the general picture. Apparantly, you don't take Hamas seriously in their stated goals to exterminate the Jews in Israel. One would think if someone so clever as you were advising them, you would tell them to tone down their rhetoric and dont advertise it and hence fool everyone. But like the rest of the fanatics they are not interested in that. Sincerity beats all.
Now, is it very difficult for you to imagine that one might not trust Hamas. Who cares if was democratically elected. That is a procedure. And I can see no argument to respect a procedure which produces bad results.
Democracy is not perfect but if the KKK or the communist party were elected here, I would see no reason to respect that election. I would either leave the country or join a revolutionary movement. Unfortunately,many on the left are out of their minds and see Bush as a nazi or some relic of the KKK. The left is like hamas.

So I am not impressed with your arguments that the Hamas govt should have been rewarded. Maybe is word we use when we hope. And what I see from you is some kind of hope based on what I dont know that Hamas will evolve into rational people. But you should be wise enough to see the other side and apparantly you do not want to. Jimmy Carter, France all thought that Khomeni was the savior. Same kind of hope you have. Interestly enough the pschopath Sadamm Hussein read Khomeni better than the gushy liberals and expelled him from Iraq.

So, yes, you can make your argument to support hamas, but you should also understand that there are reasons not to. So what is the right answer. You are so sure of yourself that smells of fanaticism. I am suspiious of your formal arguments re democratic elections. That in and of itself is not sufficient. You need something more. And what is that something more. It has to be that it would evolve into a non-fanatic islamic nonsense and into a rational goverment. What is your evidence to support such. The Iranian people and the left in this country hailed the Khomeni revolution and supported it democratically. The cuban people hailed Castro. The French thru the democratic process at first supported the Vichy regime in WW II.

Hope springs eternal. I have my strong doubts when so called rational people like Hamas, Bel Laden et al can send young children to be suicide bombers that such people can be trusted.

AS for Hirsi Ali, all the liberal reviews were negative; They are uncomfortable with her. the "war monger" Hitchens is her friend. The moderately conservative AEI took her in. The so called left in Holland crapped in their pants over her. She was too honest about the truth.

I will you a story you dont know. Hitchens arranged for Salmon Rushdie to meet Bill Clinton in the white house. Hitchens at the risk to himself and his family was hiding him. When it got out that Rushdie was at the White House, guess what Clinton did. Not hard to guess from somone who called Paula Jones White Trash and Monica a stalker. Clinton stated that Rushdie invited himself to the White House and it was just accidental that he met him. Rudshdie, Hirsi Ali are in the same boat; poison to the Dem party who think they have the moslem vote tied up in this country and they wont risk losing that by standing for principle.

Wake up and smell the coffee. You cant have your cake and eat it. You have allied yourself with worst in humanity.
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