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Friday, July 13, 2007
Victor Davis Hanson :: Townhall.com Columnist
The New York Times Surrenders
by Victor Davis Hanson
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And if the Times sees the war in Afghanistan as so important, why didn’t it support an all-out war against the Taliban and al-Qaida, as it apparently does now, when we were solely in Afghanistan?

8. “Iraq may fragment into separate Kurdish, Sunni and Shiite republics, and American troops are not going to stop that from happening. . . . To start, Washington must turn to the United Nations, which Mr. Bush spurned and ridiculed as a preface to war.”

But Bush did go to the United Nations, which, had it enforced its own resolutions, might have prevented the war. In fact, the Bush administration’s engagement with the UN contrasts sharply with President Clinton’s snub of that organization during the U.S.-led bombing of the Balkans—unleashed, unlike Iraq, without Congressional approval. The Times also neglects to mention that the UN was knee-deep in the mess of its cash cow Iraq, from its appeasement of the genocidal Hussein regime to its graft-ridden, $50 billion oil-for-food scandal, reaching the highest echelons of Kofi Annan’s UN administration.

9. “Washington also has to mend fences with allies. There are new governments in Britain, France and Germany that did not participate in the fight over starting this war and are eager to get beyond it. But that will still require a measure of humility and a commitment to multilateral action that this administration has never shown. And, however angry they were with President Bush for creating this mess, those nations should see that they cannot walk away from the consequences.”

New governments in France and Germany are more pro-American than those of the past that tried to thwart us in Iraq. The Times surely knows of the Chirac administration’s lucrative relationships with Saddam Hussein, and of the German contracts to supply sophisticated tools and expertise that enabled the Baathist nightmare. Tony Blair will enjoy a far more principled and reputable retirement than will Jacques Chirac or Gerhard Schroeder, who did their best to destroy the Atlantic Alliance for cheap partisan advantage at home and global benefit abroad.

Nations like France and Germany won’t “walk away” from Iraq, since they were never there in the first place. They never involve themselves in such dangerous situations—just look at the rules of engagement of French and German troops in Afghanistan. Their foreign policy centers instead on commerce, suitably dressed up with fashionable elite outrage against the United States.

10. “For this effort to have any remote chance, Mr. Bush must drop his resistance to talking with both Iran and Syria. Britain, France, Russia, China and other nations with influence have a responsibility to help. Civil war in Iraq is a threat to everyone, especially if it spills across Iraq’s borders.”

China and Russia, seeing only oil and petrodollars, will take no responsibility to help. Both will welcome a U.S. retreat. Yes, “civil war” will spill over the borders, but not until the U.S. precipitously withdraws. Iran and Syria—serial assassins of democrats from Lebanon to Iraq—are hoping for realization of the Times’s scenario, and would be willing to talk with us only to facilitate our flight, with the expectation that Iraq would become wide open for their ambitions. In their view, a U.S. that fails in Iraq surely cannot thwart an Iranian bomb, the Syrian reabsorption of Lebanese democracy, attacks on Israel, or increased funding and sanctuary for global terrorism.

11. “President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have used demagoguery and fear to quell Americans’ demands for an end to this war. They say withdrawing will create bloodshed and chaos and encourage terrorists. Actually, all of that has already happened—the result of this unnecessary invasion and the incompetent management of this war.”

But as the Times itself acknowledges, what has happened in the past only previews what is in store if we precipitously withdraw. And this will prove the case not only in Iraq, but elsewhere in the Persian Gulf, the Middle East, Taiwan, and Korea. Once the U.S. demonstrates that it cannot honor its commitments, those dependent upon it must make the necessary adjustments. Ironically, while the Times urges acceptance of defeat, Sunni tribesmen at last are coming forward to fight terrorists, and regional neighbors are gradually accepting the truth that their opportunistic assistance to jihadists is only threatening their own regimes.

We promised General Petraeus a hearing in September; it would be the height of folly to preempt that agreement by giving in to our summer of panic and despair. Critics called for the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, a change in command in Iraq and at Centcom, new strategies, and more troops. But now that we have a new secretary, a new command in Iraq and at Centcom, new strategies, and more troops, suddenly we have a renewed demand for withdrawal before the agreed-upon September accounting—suggesting that the only constant in such harping was the assumption that Iraq was either hopeless or not worth the effort.

The truth is that Iraq has upped the ante in the war against terrorists. Our enemies’ worst nightmare is a constitutional government in the heart of the ancient caliphate, surrounded by consensual rule in Afghanistan, Lebanon, and Turkey; ours is a new terror heaven, but with oil, a strategic location, and the zeal born of a humiliating defeat of the United States on a theater scale. The Islamists believe we can’t win; so does the New York Times. But it falls to the American people to decide the issue.

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Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and a recipient of the 2007 National Humanities Medal.

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to BBD
This is ridiculous, I will give one last effort to explain to Dog why his kind of talked killed innocent people in Vietnam and is killing innocent people in Iraq.

First Dog you have to understand that words are weapons. Winston Churchill used words to keep the English motivated and thus from falling to the Nazis, which had Chamberlain been in office would certainly have happened. Ronald Reagan used words to win the Cold War, and Jimmy Carter nearly lost the Cold War because of his words.

"No Vietnemese ever died because some lefty wanted to end the war."

This is not true, the US was forced to pull out of Vietnam because of lefties, the US was forced to give zero aid to the people we promised to support because of lefties. As a result South Vietnam was overrun and the North Vietnamese slaughtered the southerners, puposefully murdering innocent men and women and children through government policy. Murder has never been US government policy.

"First you invade a country that never harmed America ('Nam)"

This is not ture, there is a difference between invading and defending. Invading would what we did in France during WW2 and what we did in Iraq in both Gulf Wars. Defending is what we did in Vietnam, coming at the request of the South Vietnamese who had a strange aversion to being slaughtered, and it is what we did in Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War, and in Korea now. You don't believe we have invaded South Korea do you?

"then, when you fail to acheive your undeclared objective (sound familiar)"

This is not true, the objective in Vietnam was to defend the South Vietnamese from the North, which was accomplished the entire time we were there. Of course because of ridiculous limits place on the military (not being able to invade North Vietnam or go into Cambodia or Laos) made it impossible for us to eliminate the VietCong and the North Vietnamese. Yet once again the military rose to the challenge and drove the enemy to the negotiating table. At this negotiating table North Vietnam agreed to not invade South Vietnam, and we promised to protect South Vietnam if they did. Of course North Vietnam did invade and we did not protect South Vietnam, the democratic congress (pressured by war protesters) refused to even send in medical aid. So as you can see here and prior to WW2 negotiating with evil does not work.

"and your "war" spirals into chaos, you blame the ROE because you can't slaughter willy-nilly (because dropping napalm on sleepy villages is actually TOO RESTRAINED)"

This is not true, the military held their own in Vietnam especially considering the limits placed on them. Even the Tet offensive was a military loss for the North Vietnamese and the VietCong. The VietCong lost over half of their entire force. But it was portrayed at home as a loss, and because you believed the lying media you asked us to pull out of Vietnam, causing the slaughters in Vientam, Cambodia, and Laos. While you apparently have no military brains let me explain to you that those "sleepy villages" were often controlled by VietCong, the people were terrorized and forced to attack US troops. What would you do in that situation?

"as if that might save the day - meanwhile, some American troops DO commit atrocities along the way - and still it fails"

500,000 troops and you expect them all to behave perfectly, you couldn't do that in a city of 500,000 in the middle of the country, much less in a war zone. What fails? Certainly not the military as I have said before that war was won(as much as it could be, because the military was not allowed to wipe out the enemy) by the military.

"so, ultimately, you blame the media and those who wish for the war to end because"

The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it(not my words) which is what we did in Vietnam. Because of the lefty politicians and war protesters we pulled out of Vietnam, in loss. The media failed to explain to the liberals why we were in Vietnam, what would happen if we left, and what needed to be done to win. You see war as terrible (which it is) but what happened after the war was worse, and would not have happened if lefties had not demanded the military not be allowed to eliminate the enemy, thus forcing us to stay there forever to protect the South Vietnamese, but then said we have to leave because we can't win. WE CAN'T WIN BECAUSE YOU SAID THE MILITARY CAN'T ELIMINATE THE ENEMY.

"YOU'RE the failure who defended failed policy."

It wasn't failed policy, it was as successful as it was allowed to be, and yet lefties still said we had to leave, even though we were winning. Then the lefties denied even medical aid to the South Vietnamese desperately trying to protect themselves. Lefties lied to and betrayed the South Vietnamese, and what was at stake was thier lives, but lefties did not care if they died, just that we didn't have to do something hard.

"Maybe it helps you sleep at night - what with all that innocent blood on your hands...
So sure, bud - it was the hippies who did all the killing in Vietnam...
Feel better?"

If a murderer walks into you home and holds a gun to your and your families head, and you pull a gun out and hold it to his head. Then a hippy comes in and tackles you, takes your gun, and runs out (all in the name of peace). The murderer then kills you and your family. Who is at fault? Is not the hippy at fault just as much as the murderer? Yet you say it is your fault, for using a gun to try and defend yourself.

In Vietnam millions of innocent men, women, and children were slaughtered. Why? Because evil overtook them. So evil is to blame, but we have to ask ourselves, why did evil overtake them? The answer is we were not there to protect them, whats worse is we promised to protect them. Why were we not there to protect them? Because lefties demanded we leave.

We have a similar situation in Iraq, nevermind that if we lose in Iraq, we will be seen as weak. And the moderate muslims will not trust us, and thus they will not fight the jihadis because the jihadis will slaughter them. Thus the jihadis take over the middle east and who knows where it goes from there. Let's forget that, if we leave Iraq how many innocents will be killed? Why will they be killed? because we wont be there to protect them. Why won't we be there to protect them? Because you demanded we pull out.

Yo CharlesS
I think you're wasting you time trying to make these folks understand what's at stake here. As I said in a previous post, they are all suffering from a severe case of Cranial Rectilitis which is worse than having one's head in the sand.
Furthermore just look at the invective in Mr. Dog's hateful diatribe back to future Air Force "idiot". Don't that give you a nice warm feeling inside?
An Ole Korean War Vet
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