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Thursday, May 24, 2007
Victor Davis Hanson :: Townhall.com Columnist
Is Sky Falling on America?
by Victor Davis Hanson
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The suicide-murders and roadside bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan sicken Americans. Soon-to-be nuclear Iran seems loonier than nuclear North Korea. American debt keeps piling up in China and Japan. And we think of angry Venezuela, the Middle East and Russia every time we fill up - if we can afford to fill up.

Then listen to Al Gore on global warming. Or hear Jimmy Carter on the current president. The common denominator is American "decline."

Books by liberals assure us that our "empire" is kaput. Brace for the inevitable fate of Rome. Conservatives are just as glum. For them, we are also Romans - but the more decadent variety, eaten away from the inside.

In response, many bored Americans turn instead to the la-la land of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton.

Yet American Cassandras are old stuff. Grim Charles Lindberg in the late 1930s lectured a Depression-era America that Hitler's new order in Germany could only be appeased, never opposed.

After World War II, it wasn't long before the Soviet Union ended our short-lived status as sole nuclear superpower. And when Eastern Europe and China were lost to communism, it was proof, for many, that democratic capitalism was passé. "We will bury you," Nikita Khrushchev promised us.

After the collapse of the Soviet Empire in 1991, America proclaimed itself at the "end of history" - meaning that the spread of our style of democratic capitalism was now inevitable. Now a mere 16 years later, some are just as sure we approach our own end.

But our rivals are weaker and America is far stronger than many think.

Take oil. With oil prices at nearly $70 a barrel, Vladimir Putin, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Hugo Chavez seem invincible as they rally anti-American feeling.

But if we find alternate energy sources, or reduce slightly our oil hunger, we can defang all three rather quickly. None of their countries have a middle class or a culture of entrepreneurship to discover and disseminate new knowledge.

Russia and Europe are shrinking. China is an aging nation of only children. The only thing the hard-working Chinese fear more than their bankrupt communist dictatorship is getting rid of it.

True, the economies of China and India have made amazing progress. But both have rocky rendezvous ahead with all the social and cultural problems that we long ago addressed in the 20th century.

And European elites can't blame their problems - a bullying Russia, Islamic terrorists, unassimilated minorities and high unemployment - all on George Bush's swagger and accent. The recent elections of Angela Merkel in Germany and Nicolas Sarkozy in France suggest that Europe's cheap anti-Americanism may be ending, and that our practices of more open markets, lower taxes and less state control are preferrable to the European status quo.

In truth, a never-stronger America is being tested as never before. The world is watching whether we win or lose in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Middle East is either going to reform or remain an oil-rich tribal mess that endangers the entire world.

A better way to assess our chances at maintaining our preeminence is simply to ask the same questions that are the historical barometers of our nation's success or failure: Does any nation have a constitution comparable to ours? Does merit - or religion, tribe or class - mostly gauge success or failure in America? What nation is as free, stable and transparent as the U.S.?

Try becoming a fully accepted citizen of China or Japan if you were not born Chinese or Japanese. Try running for national office in India from the lower caste. Try writing a critical op-ed in Russia or hiring a brilliant female to run a mosque, university or hospital in most of the Middle East. Ask where MRI scans, Wal-Mart, iPods, the Internet or F-18s came from.

In the last 60 years, we have been warned in succession that new paradigms in racially pure Germany, the Soviet workers' paradise, Japan Inc. and now 24/7 China all were about to displace the United States. None did. All have had relative moments of amazing success - but in the end none proved as resilient, flexible and adaptable as America.

That brings us to the United States' greatest strength: radical self-critique. We Americans are worrywarts, always believing we're on the verge of extinction. And so, to "renew," "reinvent" or "save" America, we whip ourselves up about "wars" on poverty, drugs and cancer; space "races;" missile "gaps;" literacy "crusades;" and "campaigns" against litter, waste and smoking.

In other words, we nail-biters have always been paranoid that we must change and improve in order to survive. And thus we usually do - just in time.

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Ron, Lolo
It's great to look on the positive side, but let's not be blind. Lolo, I appreciate that you are more prosperous today then 15 years ago - that would be expected based on greater experience, no?

However, despite your improved individual financial standing, this is not the United States of Lolo, it's a country of 300 million and those who lead have to choose to serve the interests of the few or the many, and answer for their choices.

I researched economics and here's what I found. Your math is "fuzzy". No matter what you say, if you don't address the deficit, you are financially debilitating our children. No two ways about it, period.


Moreover, a job-creation tax incentive would be a one-step path to craeting jobs, twice as efficient as your two-step suggestion we cut taxes across the board and then HOPE employers translate that into jobs as opposed to pocketing the cash, or as we have seen happen in real-reality as opposed to fake-reality, shipping the jobs overseas.

This is what has happened before our eyes, your theories notwithstanding. More profit has stayed at home, but it's gone to the top 1% of earners and the "jobs" you speak of exist in quantity, not quality. Let's look more in depth:

The former #1 employer GM, whose wages and benefits were the pride of America has been replaced. Wal-Mart is now the exemplar of American corporate employers, paying LITERALLY minimum wage to thousands across the country, with 40% of it's work force uninsured and systematically leeching off state and local social services, killing ma and pa hometown apple pie USA Main Street American busines from coast to coast. Meanwhile China is building the VCRs and TVs they sell.

If we had a one-step, benchmarked incentive for companies to create jobs, it is simple, direct and honest. I don't buy the Straussian theories meant to fool the middle class into supporting their wealthy masters. I'm also doing better today then I was when I was 25, but I still support my fellow Americans, the average working families that make the country great. If the aim is to create jobs, don't be misled, tax cuts should be given ONLY to those who create jobs. The wealthiest 1%, greatly outnumbered have devised an indirect two-step plan to create jobs which has them serving as a "filter" for public money, but not only do they keep a good precentage of the money, they farm the jobs out to India and Indo-China to make more profit and DEPRESS AMERICAN WAGES!

President Bush is on track to have the worst job creation record of any modern president.

Also, please back up your claim the deficit is related to a Dem president chopping the military budget. I need to learn the mechanics of how you think closing bases added to the deficit. Please be sure to acknowledge whether increases in military spending by the GOP president of the last 6-7 years has reduced or increased the deficit.

The government is absolutely, positively NOT bringing in the most ever revenue now. They are only telling you this while they separate the national deficit, annual budget deficit and trade deficit. It is a trick that should work and could work only on a childlike mind without a crucial and critical understanding of basic accounting.

You MUST add the money coming in to the debt being accrued. Our "greatest ever" income MINUS our debt is what we are really making. The NET amount is all that truly matters in financial dealings.

I care too much about the next generation of Americans not to stop you from repeating this talking point to fools who only look at the "incoming" money column. Would you do this with your business? With your household finances?

Again, neither Clinton nor Newt reduced the deficit, they just slowed it's growth. It never went down, it just leveled off between $4-6 trillion. I would suggest that reversing it's growth was a fantastic achievement and I give Newt great credit for doing so, as part of a balanced budget promise which I fully applaud!!!!!

Unfortunately, the balanced budget idea was crapped all over by the current administration, - - outspending Clinton on his worst day - selling our children into financial hardship while telling us the economy is booming. Our children will enjoy this illusion only until China, Japan, the Saudis, and others call their debt, an amount we have absolutely no hope of paying back with public funds.

I join you in opposing pork, let's fight hard against any politicians who try to legislate pet projects, an immoral way to represent the greater American good.

Personal debt increased 60% under Clinton, and even worse under Bush it's climbed even higher, with the entire country literally going into the red, totalling over a 180% increase to the present. Perhaps the best indicator of the US economy is the median household income. How much is the average American making today? According to the most 2002 Census data, median household income dropped significantly for the second year in a row, poverty increased for the second year in a row, the number of people without health insurance continued to climb, health costs skyrocketed, and today, the average student loan, now privatized, increased $2,000 per student.

Bush inherited four years in a row of balanced budgets, cut taxes for the wealthy, and made the greatest annual surplus in history into the greatest deficit in history, skyrocketing the overall deficit to 10 trillion.

Now, without blaming Clinton, or anyone else, what is your plan to wipe out the deficit before you die and leave it to the next generation of Americans like a 10 trillion ton loadstone around their necks? Or will you just live on in la-la land?


Gabby
Was it a speech he gave on the House floor? If so, this is probably the text of the speech, if that helps.
http://rohrabacher.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=65918

Gabby
Sorry... can't find it. But, it's possible it's not up yet, I guess.

Dr. Paul's speech this week
on the House floor.

Please watch it. Please go here and press play to watch the video. It is important and very on topic. It is called:

In the Name of Patriotism (Who are the Patriots?)

http://www.house.gov/paul/


Note: Please hang on, it will get VERY good. The man is speaking the truth and has more courage than some of you can even imagine.

September12Republican
Thank you for the nice words. I appreciate it.

Nowadays, I'm doing more than biting my nails though. I'm way past that! ;-)

Rockman
I agree with you man. Only thing is, I tend to believe more in this axiom...

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.


karennkc - would you accept
that if some of their assumptions are skewed, that some of your assumptions are skewed?

The Muslim Reformation, Globalism, and Iraq
http://malize.townhall.com/g/32ff99a0-7fd3-4ede-92be-5b5c1e1d613f

Dubai and the Muslim Reformation
http://malize.townhall.com/g/992059cc-3023-4758-8b08-ff142ce0c748


Moral relativism
Soundbite alert!

What could be more morally relative than Christianity?

One guy lves his entire life as a scum bag murderer, rapist and pedophile, but as long as he accepts Christ before he dies, he is absolved of his sins and guaranteed a heavenly eternity.

The other guy doesn't buy into resurrections, turning water into wine, or other such natural impossibilities, but is doomed to an afterlife of eternal fire and damnation despite living a productive, peaceful and moral life.

And inkling would have us believe that he is a spokesman for morals, when there is more than enough evidence in this thread alone to see that he is full of hatred, bears false witness, and is completely consumed with his ego.

You probably see this as an assault on Christianity. Hardly. It matters not to me what your beliefs are. It doesn't matter to me that Will is gay. However, do it in private and quit telling us how persecuted you are.

Gabby
I'll look. ;-)

Rocky JOne
Darn it...I pushed the wrong key and posted that response before I was ready... Here it is again. Sorry.

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Well, you just had to go and say that, didn't you? So, I'll have to take a few minutes to correct the error in your thinking. (just kidding with you).

Seriously though, were you aware that Dr. Paul sits on the House Committee for Foreign Affairs and his statements were taken directly from CIA Intelligence Reports and the 911 Commission Report?

Another source for you would be to google Michael Scheuer and read some of his interviews, or possibly you might want to read one of his books. Mr. Scheuer was the former CIA bin Laden Unit Chief.

Here is one for you.
Michael Scheuer, ex-CIA bin Laden Unit Chief, Explains Why Insurgents Are Willing To Die Fighting Us...Maybe It's Not Our Freedom They Hate...
http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/05/01/int05001.html

Here are some recent things he has said. He also participated in a press conference this week with Dr. Paul. He totally supports Dr. Paul's statements and stance.

"Foreign policy is about protecting America," said author Michael Scheuer, who used to head the CIA's bin Laden unit. "Our foreign policy is doing the opposite."

"In an interview on May 18, Michael Scheuer defended Paul, stating: "I thought Mr. Paul captured it the other night exactly correctly. This war is dangerous to America because it’s based, not on gender equality, as Mr. Giuliani suggested, or any other kind of freedom, but simply because of what we do in the Islamic World – because ‘we’re over there,’ basically, as Mr. Paul said in the debate."

"In a press conference on May 24, 2007, Ron Paul and Scheuer held a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington DC about the causes that led up to 9/11, American foreign policy and its implications on terrorism, security and Iraq.[12] Paul and Scheuer explained why Rudy Giuliani is wrong on security and foreign policy and provided documentation about the unintended consequences of interventionism - known to many in the intelligence as blowback - and assigned Giuliani a reading list of foreign policy books, including Dying to Win, Blowback, Imperial Hubris and the 9/11 Commission Report."

Candidate Paul Assigns Reading List to Guiliani
-- be sure and read all 3 pages.
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN2434274320070524?pageNumber=1

"A Giuliani campaign official could not confirm whether he had read any of the books on Paul's list."

Yeah, I'll bet not. ;-))

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Sounds like Rudy needs to do some studying, instead of grandstanding with an appeal to emotion that was not backed by the facts.





Rocky JOne
"Ron Paul knows zero about the mideast. I've lived and worked in the region about 13 years now (and counting) and he is an idiot on the region."

Well, Rocky, you had to go and say that, didn't you. Unfortunately, I will be forced to show you the error of your ways. At least I will certainly give it the college try, but you're lucky, it's late and I don't feel like writing a tome. That's a joke... ;-)

Michael Scheuer, who was the former Chief of the CIA's bin Laden unit, has written much about this subject. You can google his name and find a lot of interviews with him that you might want to read.

"In an interview on May 18, Michael Scheuer defended Paul, stating: "I thought Mr. Paul captured it the other night exactly correctly. This war is dangerous to America because it’s based, not on gender equality, as Mr. Giuliani suggested, or any other kind of freedom, but simply because of what we do in the Islamic World – because ‘we’re over there,’ basically, as Mr. Paul said in the debate."

"In a press conference on May 24, 2007, Ron Paul and Scheuer held a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington DC about the causes that led up to 9/11, American foreign policy and its implications on terrorism, security and Iraq.[12] Paul and Scheuer explained why Rudy Giuliani is wrong on security and foreign policy and provided documentation about the unintended consequences of interventionism - known to many in the intelligence as blowback - and assigned Giuliani a reading list of foreign policy books, including Dying to Win, Blowback, Imperial Hubris and the 9/11 Commission Report."



Populist
Harry Browne was a good man.

Disagree
VDH:
"A better way to assess our chances at maintaining our preeminence is simply to ask the same questions that are the historical barometers of our nation's success or failure: Does any nation have a constitution comparable to ours? Does merit - or religion, tribe or class - mostly gauge success or failure in America? What nation is as free, stable and transparent as the U.S.?"

I disagree first off with this editorials claim that America is transparent. I do however think that our weaknesses are pretty transparent, but that is not only the fault of one part of America, but the entire country including our government. Our true strengths are hidden behind a threat of preemptive strike. The world doesn’t care what we have to offer (other than money) because we are nation of divided and paranoid people.

Second, does this editorial claim “Does merit - or religion, tribe or class - mostly gauge success or failure in America?” thinking the presumptive answer is yes? If so I disagree, who you are and what you believe plays a big part in your place in society. Sure your workplace cannot discriminate against you based on color or creed, but people can and do!

Our constitution is walked on every day by the Bush administration and his presidential directives, and signing statements (most recently National Security Presidential Directive/NSPD 51).

Overall this editorial feels more like a call to arms than anything. Warnings about leaving Iraq too soon and how it will appear to the rest of the world. If we do not care what the rest of the world thinks of us being in Iraq, then why would we care what they think of us when we leave?





will
Maybe YOUR posts are at the sandbox level, but you should speak only for yourself.

Rocky JOne
...continues to hurl insults without supplying supporting reasoning.

He writes: "Even a cursory reading of Jefferson will indicate that his "Creator" had little to do with the Christian God...."

A) Jefferson is one man, not the entire revolution. Does a cursory reading of, say, Madison, tell you the same thing? Let's hope not, for the sake of your credibility...

B) Jefferson was a wholehearted believer in the New Testament, though he did not believe any of the miracles of Jesus to be historically factual. He even went to the trouble of rewriting the entire New Testament, leaving out the miracles. I suppose you can say accurately that modern Evangelicals would not have found his positions orthodox (and I would agree); but you can't say accurately that his notion of natural rights had nothing to do with the Judeo/Christian concept of God.

C) A cursory reading of Jefferson should reveal THIS gem, which appears (redacted a bit) on the walls of the Jefferson memorial in Washington, DC:

"For in a warm climate, no man will labour for himself who can make another labour for him. This is so true, that of the proprietors of slaves a very small proportion indeed are ever seen to labor. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever . . . ."

-- Notes on the State of Virginia

The notion of God storing up wrath against slave-owners, and against the nation that countenances them, is an EXPLICITLY Judeo/Christian concept, and proves that YOUR cursory reading of Jefferson is deficient.

Now, will you please stop hurling insults at me? I think I've prove pretty clearly that I'm at least twice the scholar you are, and I know the founders' writings and general positions better than you do. Go home, and augment your education. You've lost.

will
"You've "summed up" something you apparently know NOTHING about? You have just proven your posts to be entirely worthless to me."

My post posited quite a few facts about homosexuals. If you believe them to be wrong, please post facts supporting your position. If you won't, perhaps it's because you can't... and if your position can't be defended with facts, perhaps its the wrong position.

It sure is easy for guys like you to call other people names; it take a bit more work to actually support your claims.

utahnotconservative
"What position of mine makes you conclude I'm a leftist or a Democrat. You see, it's a typical elitist tactic to attempt to marginalize someone with fallacious labels, so I'll understand if you fail to reply."

Since I certainly don't collect quotations from your old posts, and I haven't found any tools on TH to search old posts by author, I'm not able to produce any specific quotations of yours from prior posts. I have observed your general tendency to take positions that embrace social progressivism (radical egalitarianism and moral relativism), and I associate those with political leftism. And I'm suspicious, because I have hard-core leftists ALL THE MOTHER FREAKIN TIME try to tell me "I'm not liberal." It's one of their favorite games. So I'm trusting my general impression until I see evidence to the contrary.

You're just hurling mindless insults when you call me a "Christian elitist." All I've done is posit -- ACCURATELY -- the Christian history of the west as it applies to western political thinking. I don't regard Christians as politically special. I DO regard the current assault on Christianity to be anti-democratic and anti-Constitutional. I DO believe that if we, as a nation, toss aside Christian thought in favor of collectivist, "progressive" thought, then we can expect to produce the results that progressivism has always achieved -- totalitarianism, universal misery, and mass murder. Thoughts have consequences. That doesn't make me an elitist. It does, unfortunately, make me a target of fools.

Given the sort of hyena you're proving to be, I honestly couldn't care less whether you think I'm civil or not. With guys like you, I generally feel I'm doing something right if I offend you, and I'm probably being too gentle if I don't. But the comment you observed -- "I haven't seen the slightest reason to regard your assessment of me or my position as anything but noise from an ignorant lout" -- provoked Rocky JOne to actually posit some specific thoughts, which he had not done up to that point. That was my intent. It worked. This stands in contradistinction to your brainless, repetitive insults, which have no purpose other than to cause pain. This is the difference between a good, intelligent man, and a vicious fool.

See. I agree with that
>If you ever look at a simple recitation of facts about gay sex, it becomes immediately obvious that homosexuality is nothing more or less than an out-of-control sexual addiction. I can't think of a reason on God's green earth why we as a culture should ensconse THAT as something sacred, as we have the reproductive necessity of man and wife.<

will
I can't fathom why you think the phenomenon of lynchings in the south somehow negates Gabby's recitation of things in the 1930s that were better than they are now. You don't think it's possible for a culture to do some things better than we do, and other things worse?

You wrote: "Gay marriage can be seen as something GOOD... think of gay marriage as POSITIVE, a way to bring all families into the american fold, without discrimination..."

This is a delusional dream. In the first place, hardly any gays actually want to marry; the statistic I've read is that only 3% of gays are actually interested in any sort of long-term commitment. So the entire exercise is one of social redefinition, with the goal of forcing all of us to regard homosexuality as "normal."

In the second place, there's nothing particularly normal about gays, even when they want to commit. One study -- by a gay researcher, as it happens -- attempting to study gay couples, had to expand its purview nationwide just to get a large enough sample for the research to mean anything, ostensibly because so few gays actually commit. And out of 150 gays that had actually committed to a partner, the research found that NOT ONE had maintained a monogamous relationship with his or her significant other for 5 years without cheating. The more common pattern was a significant relationship with significant "other interests" on the side, sort of an open marriage.

If you ever look at a simple recitation of facts about gay sex, it becomes immediately obvious that homosexuality is nothing more or less than an out-of-control sexual addiction. I can't think of a reason on God's green earth why we as a culture should ensconse THAT as something sacred, as we have the reproductive necessity of man and wife.

David: the word is secede, not suceed...
From the amount of outrage expressed here, I feel that the good 'ol USA is not in too much trouble yet, but that can always change. It is when we stop yelling that you will know that the end of this country is here. Take Heart. GB the USA. And by the way, keep yelling!

DUH
>So, please answer the question: to what elite do you suppose I imagine myself belonging?<

A Christian elitist, of course, and a very transparent one.
Or maybe you do embrace you fellow Christian, Al Sharpton, and truly believe that you two are the part of America where "The liberty, civility, generosity and fair-mindedness of Americans comes from Christianity."

Yep, you and Reverend Al, just being as civil as all get out. I found this sentence to be extremely civil:

" I haven't seen the slightest reason to regard your assessment of me or my position as anything but noise from an ignorant lout."

Now that I've answered your question, perhaps you'll answer mine.

What position of mine makes you conclude I'm a leftist or a Democrat. You see, it's a typical elitist tactic to attempt to marginalize someone with fallacious labels, so I'll understand if you fail to reply.


lokietek1968
"Faith in America
and Faith in God go hand in hand!"


Oh please, do explain this theory!

Rocky JOne
By "social compact theory," I presume you're referring to Locke's analysis of the "social CONTRACT". Locke is generally regarded as a later, secular version of Calvin, so your claim that Locke's social contract in American thinking diverges from Protestant philosophy is just wrong. If you doubt me, you should google "natural law" (another major theme of Locke's) and read where the 17th century thinkers believed natural law to come from.

This is why the authors who wrote during the American revolutionary period quoted so heavily from the Bible, and specifically from the book of Deuteronomy. They regarded the Mosaic Law as a statement of natural law, and they believed natural law was the basis for human liberty, that no government had the right to abrogate.

Accordingly, the Declaration of Independence posits the right of Americans to form their own nation as "the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them..." and they posit the rights adhering to all men as rights by which men "were endowed by their Creator..." They appeal to "the Supreme Judge of the World" for the rectitude of their intentions, and "with a firm reliance on Divine Providence," pledged their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor to one another.

I know it's common for modern historians (who are pretty uniformly hard leftists, and I don't mean "Democrats") to claim that the American revolution was profoundly influenced by the Enlightenment. They're only partly right. I draw a distinction between the left and right wings of the Enlightenment; the right (Burke, Locke, Montesqieue) based their thinking on Protestant notions of Natural Law, whereas the left (Rousseau, Voltaire) attempted to construct authority in government from a collective will of the people.

These different approaches produced profoundly different results. The American revolution, based on Natural Rights, respected men of influence, posited a need for self-control and continued influence of educated men, and produced an orderly, morally-centered government that prospered. The French revolution, dominated by collectivist "will of the people" thinking, produced chaos and mass murder, and resulted in mob rule that eventually gave way to Napoleon's unitary rule.

By the way, if you want to read specifically Protestant reasoning that underlies American government, go look up Samuel Rutherford's "Lex Rex" (1644). Or google "sphere sovereignty" and read Reformation theologians positing early versions of separation of church and state. American government is ENTIRELY Protestant, and the only way you can think otherwise is by remaining (deliberately) ignorant of 17th and 18th century Protestant writings.

de Tocqueville on religion in America
From Alexis de Tocqueville's "Democracy In America," 1833:

"The greatest part of British America was peopled by men who, after having shaken off the authority of the Pope, acknowledged no other religious supremacy: they brought with them into the New World a form of Christianity which I cannot better describe than by styling it a democratic and republican religion. This con- tributed powerfully to the establishment of a republic and a democracy in public affairs; and from the beginning, politics and religion contracted an alliance which has never been dissolved...

"It may fairly be believed that a certain number of Americans pursue a peculiar form of worship from habit more than from conviction. In the United States the sovereign authority is religious, and consequently hypocrisy must be common; but there is no country in the world where the Christian religion retains a greater influence over the souls of men than in America; and there can be no greater proof of its utility and of its conformity to human nature than that its influence is powerfully felt over the most enlightened and free nation of the earth.

"I have remarked that the American clergy in general, without even excepting those who do not admit religious liberty, are all in favor of civil freedom; but they do not support any particular political system. They keep aloof from parties and from public affairs. In the United States religion exercises but little influence upon the laws and upon the details of public opinion; but it directs the customs of the community, and, by regulating domestic life, it regulates the state.

"In the United States the influence of religion is not confined to the manners, but it extends to the intelligence of the people. Among the Anglo-Americans some profess the doctrines of Christianity from a sincere belief in them, and others do the same because they fear to be suspected of unbelief. Christianity, therefore, reigns without obstacle, by universal consent; the consequence is, as I have before observed, that every principle of the moral world is fixed and determinate, although the political world is abandoned to the debates and the experiments of men... the revolutionists of America are obliged to profess an ostensible respect for Christian morality and equity, which does not permit them to violate wantonly the laws that oppose their designs; nor would they find it easy to surmount the scruples of their partisans even if they were able to get over their own. Hitherto no one in the United States has dared to advance the maxim that everything is permissible for the interests of society, an impious adage which seems to have been invented in an age of freedom to shelter all future tyrants. Thus, while the law permits the Americans to do what they please, religion prevents them from conceiving, and forbids them to commit, what is rash or unjust."


utahnotevenmakingsense
I haven't the slightest difficulty understanding independent thought, and I have the test scores to prove it.

You're clearly not capable of responding even to a simple question, like "What elite do you suppose I belong to," since I asked that simple question and, though repeating the misuse of the term, you didn't even bother to answer it.

So, please answer the question: to what elite do you suppose I imagine myself belonging? Since you keep repeating the term, this should be simple to answer -- unless (as I suspect) you're using a word you don't really understand because it sounds impressive.

Is Sky Falling on America?
What's the Biblical perspective? Should we not take heed lest we fall? Or how about pride goes before a fall? We need to face reality, not buy a lie.

Rocky JOne
You wrote: "Who quoted whom means little when one is reading and Studying The Constitution and the DOI..."

I reply:

On the contrary, whom a person quotes clearly indicates by whose thinking they've been influenced. You're not going to quote thinkers whose ideas mean nothing to you, unless positing an example of somebody's errors. Historians routinely use quotations as evidence of influence.

You wrote: "most of what you said is in error and none of what you said addresses my point."

I reply:

Since your point was "Christianity had no role in America's greatness," and my response was to provide 1) broad historical support for the impact of Christian thinking on the development of universal suffrage, universal literacy, and self-government, and 2) specific evidence showing the powerful influence of Christianity on the thinking of our founders, I think your claim that "none of what you said addresses my point" is nothing but false bravado. I think most people here will agree that I rebutted you pretty specifically.

You also wrote: "...you are just a member of a fringe ideological group which routinly substitutes ideology for knowledge."

I'm a mainstream Republican, apparently having a far broader knowledge of history generally, and American colonial history specifically, than you. And so far, I haven't seen the slightest reason to regard your assessment of me or my position as anything but noise from an ignorant lout. I'll give you another chance to actually say something of substance, but please provide some specifics to indicate that your thinking is deeper than "I hate religion, therefore it couldn't possibly be part of this nation."

The definition of elite
inkling, the fact that you have trouble comprehending independent thought, much less tolerating it, is your problem, not mine. Your support for calling me a typical leftist and typical Democrat?
You've been reading my posts for months. I'll assume you're not an attorney. Maybe you should brush up on what constitutes a leftist. Maybe you should actually come up with ONE position of mine to support your elitist attitude.




Ambiclorox Burgers
Yes, America is great. We have the best FORM of government that any country has ever had. However, we are not "great", by accident or on a whim and we'd darn sure better figure it out and start defending what allowed us to become so great. One of those things is our Constitution. We have allowed it to be almost wholesale disregarded. We do this at our own peril.

Brujo Blanco
All the more reason we need to secure our OWN ports and borders and start worrying more about our OWN national security than every other country on the face of the earth.

We also need to defeat this amnesty legislation!!!

My fears for USA
My fears for the USA is that we will not stem the flow of illegals and that we will stop fighting terrorism. The first fear may be on us and it will hit us hard when it happens. If these illegals are rendered legal they will demand rights and support which will cost us financially and every other way. If we stop fighting terrorism they will overwhelm us in the most violent fashion.

utahnotveryprecise
You need to look up "elitist" in the dictionary. It does not mean the same thing as "wrong" or "mistaken." And I'm not mistaken, either.

Precisely what elite do you suppose I fashion myself part of?

By the way, utahnotmormon, I've been reading your posts here on TH for months. You're a typical Democrat, well to the left of the average poster here, and your thoroughly dishonest attempt to pretend otherwise is actually a very common tactic leftists employ.

Rocky JOne
Read my comments to Utahnoteducated, above.

You're not just wrong, you're woefully ignorant. Please get hold of some good histories of the US, preferably those written more than 50 years ago (before the Marxist revisionists started getting hold of the university system here), and learn where you came from. Better still, take the time -- like I did -- to dig up and actually read documents written by the founders about what they believed.

The most frequently quoted sources in the political writings of colonial America were Montesqieue, Blackstone, and Burke, all heavily Protestant thinkers; but even these were not quoted as frequently as the Bible. French Enlightenment thinkers, like Russeau, Voltaire, and Rabelais, were only mentioned as errors to avoid.

utahnoteducated
Wrote; "America's greatness comes from the strength and wisdom of our founding fathers who were forward enough in their thinking to realize that people of all religious and non-religious persuasions could contribute to a vibrant and successful nation."

Displaying the Left's remarkable incapacity for nuance, you're mistaking the product for the producer. The END PRODUCT of the founders' thinking was a Constitution that allowed all persuasions to participate. But that PRODUCT was PRODUCED by Christian thinking. No other culture on the planet produced such a broad-minded and tolerant approach to incorporating all the diverse points of view into a government; self-government only occurred in that civilization with Christianity at its base. (The same can properly be said about universal literacy and the abolition of slavery, and also about the systematic inquiry into our rational universe that we call "science".)

No, I'm not elitist; I'm simply reporting accurately the source of the thinking that produced our founding documents.

By the way, the notion of "diverse" the founders held was pretty different from yours. They counted "Baptist v Congregationalist" as diverse. There were no Muslims in the mix, practically no Jews, very few Catholics, and very, very few atheists.

Also, please don't bother with "They were Deists." It's laughably false, and easy to disprove. The culture was not just Christian, but Protestant Christian.

what was said?
I don't know if much.

Typical elitist
What in my post could possibly lead you to believe I'm a typical leftist?

Your elitist position is less humorous than I originally thought, but then it's typical for you guys to lash out with outlandish characterizations when someone doesn't agree with your statements.

Thank you, VDH
This is a great article.

We need to remember that America has survived a civil war, two world wars, many disappointing Presidents and a couple truly lousy ones, only to come out stronger in the end. It's important to think about things that need fixing, but at the same time Americans need to count their blessings.

The fact that Americans continue to accomplish the great things we do despite our seeming fixation with things like American Idol and Paris Hilton is a tribute to America.

utahnotcogent
Wrote: "I suppose you've are not familiar with most mainstream Christians who accuse Mormons of being a cult, and not even Christians. Civility?"

I'm quite familiar with them, thank you, but can't figure out what that has to do with my broad generality.

Are you saying "People who have a blind spot for Mormons can't possibly be civil in general", or "can't possibly be civil compared to the rest of the world?" Typical for a Leftist; you (delusionally) regard yourself as the apex of civility (though in practice you're as vicious as a hungry hyena), so you regard the slightest flaw in civility as though it completely defines your opponents.

Sorry, not buying. I'm sure we could find even more glaring violations of perfect civility among Americans; and still, the American people are among the most tolerant, forgiving, friendly, and civil on the planet, and most visitors to our nation acknowledge it.

MassachusettsLiberal writes
You're Welcome
That column was a very nice thank you note for the gifts that progressives and liberals have given this great nation. Here is a short list of the gifts: social security, public education, interstate highway system, immunization, 40-hour work week, food safety, clean air and water, fair and balanced tax system, peace and security, respect in the world, and a beacon of hope to all the oppressed people of the world.

You are welcome.

You left out AIDS, promescuity, drug abuse, porn, "blended" families, a broken social security system, national defense in a shambles, broken & Corrupt CIA, the 9-11 attacks, dumbed down education, forty million dead babies, abortion on demand, Paris Hilton, Rosie O'Donnel, Teddy the swimmer Kennedy, Barney the Dinosaur Frank, Alan Combs, NPeeR, PeeBS, Communist in Cuba, Nuclear North Korea, Nuclear Russia thanks to the Rosenbergs, Communist in Vietnam, Jihadists in Iran, 20 million illegal aliens, Rap, Hip Hop, Snoop Dog, & a perminent welfare state. Have I left anything out?
Gee thanks with friends like you who needs enemies.

There is hope for I am John Doe.


Humor
>The liberty, civility, generosity and fair-mindedness of Americans comes from Christianity;<

I suppose you've are not familiar with most mainstream Christians who accuse Mormons of being a cult, and not even Christians. Civility?
Though not a Mormon, I'm more than pleased to live in an area with no strip clubs, no porn shops, and no pimps and hos cruising the streets.
I suppose you've also missed the almost daily columns on Townhall rounding up atheists as being immoral and unethical, a completely fallacious accusation. Civility?

America's greatness comes from the strength and wisdom of our founding fathers who were forward enough in their thinking to realize that people of all religious and non-religious persuasions could contribute to a vibrant and successful nation. That's something you elitists have yet to understand.

The Main Stream Media...
does what it does and Middle America does what it does. Little resemblance in what the MSM reports and what really is. Go out into the neighborhoods and workplaces of Middle American and you'll find faith, hope and optimism. Turn on the "tube" and you'll see doom/gloom and defeat. DD

tnmccoy
tnmccoy writes, "hopefully giving the Congress back to the Republicans---who are currently the lesser of two evils."


Much less! I can't see the USA functioning as well as it does under Socialist-Democrats.

The S-D's are well funded by Soros and his Media Matters. I'd guess Soros moved back to Europe mainly to evade any law enforcement efforts regarding campaign finance.

MassachusettsLiberal
You've demonstrated that remarkable capacity narcissistic Leftists have for imagining that all conversations are about them.

Not a single word of Hanson's article ties America's greatness or fundamental health to any one of the list of government impositions you mentioned. So your pompous "you're welcome" is response to your own "thank you," and the entire piece is nothing but an exercise in delusional self-congratulation.

I suppose it's not surprising that the "Me Generation" is producing narcissistic self-congratulation; I just hope we have enough sensible people to cancel out your votes.

It is a great country
Glag to hear positives for a change. The USA is a great country, no doubt about it.

We just need to wake up to the fact that there are significant number of people in this country who do not believe in the Constitution, specifically many Members of Congress, and then throw them out.

Somehow we need to find a real leader, an inspirer, a man or women we can believe in. Not some robotic, schooled excuse of a politician.

And even if you don't believe the human race is behind global warming (I don't) imagine the excitement of watching Iran, Venezuela and other brutal regimes melting down as we use less and less of their one and only product - oil.

Save gas. Save energy. Not for global warming. Not to save money. But to kick the viscious, murdering scum of the world in the teeth!

Criteria for "decline"
The Left regards America as declining because of their aberrant criteria. They do not regard America's strongest virtues as virtues at all.

America's strongest virtues are faith and capitalistic energy. America's greatness is the moral virtue of Christianity, married to the ingenuity of capitalists to find a better way to do things. The liberty, civility, generosity and fair-mindedness of Americans comes from Christianity; the practical energy that gets things done is a national characteristic bolstered by capitalism.

The Left regards Christianity as a pox (except for liberal brands of Christianity, that happen to posit secularist virtues under Christian headings). The Left regards capitalism as a source of evil. Take away capitalism and Christian virtue, and all that's left of America is consumerism and pop culture. No wonder they think we're in decline!

And no wonder they're wrong.

Hope Remains
This was a great article and I thank the Victor Hanson. I was feeling down myself, but he is 100% right. The American republic, not empire for we own no colonies, is strong. We doubt ourselves, and while frustrating it keeps up sharp. And maybe in some way we should be thanking Europe, they have shown us what progressive socialism does: ruin the economy, drop the birth rate, disarm the citizenry, and so on. In short maybe we all need a little more faith.

What a great country
I grew up in the 50s, 90% of the homes and cars did not have air cond. The Russians were ahead of us in the race for space and we were told they could hit our major cities with their ICBMs. If you got cancer you died, T.B. and polio were still around. There was no internet, and if your family had 2 cars you were considered rich. Harry Truman was at a low point in public opinion, and we were in a very unpopular war in Korea. Today 70% of us own our homes, we have 2 or 3 cars, and just about everything else we want. No wonder the rest of the world wants to come here. 1/2 of 6.5 billion people in the world live on about $2.00 a day. What in world do we have to whine about. The U.S. is a great country in spite of Polsi, Reid, Kennedy, and the rest of the liberal egg heads...God bless America.

Ring Around the Rosie...
Very depressing Victor David Hanson and comment posters.

Very uplifting Victor David Hanson and comment posters.

The author only touched on the things dragging our Country down the primrose path to oblivion---a place of refuge for the Liberals. There are still more than enough examples of [usual] Liberal nonsense and treachery to fill a depressing, good-sized book. On the other hand, we still have a lot going for us; and we have good reason to be optimistic. The proven Capitalist system, with its free market governance, and the basic freedoms of the individual [despite Congressional efforts to destroy them] will keep the Country afloat. But, it will take the country's voters to awaken to reality and throw the bums of both parties out. We must stop re-electing the dinosaurs---especially in the Senate.

Yes, we are confidently resilient. And I think this will be proven again through the 2008 elections, hopefully giving the Congress back to the Republicans---who are currently the lesser of two evils. Along with winning the Presidency, that would go a long way towards lifting us up from the current down-sliding reality.

The Democrats, though loudly vocal, are becoming increasingly inconsequential in today's real world---with their asinine socialistic efforts and misleading comments and rants showing a last gasp for a party facing its demise. My congratulations to the Liberals for dragging it down so far. The referee is about to start the count.

our FUTURE - PUFF! With that bill....
Heather McDonald: “From 1990 to 2004, Hispanics accounted for 92 percent of the increase in poor people.Half of all children born to Hispanic-Americans in 2005 were born out of wedlock -- a reliable predictor of social pathologies.”

Robert Rector of The Heritage Foundation: “ a low-skilled population will cost the welfare state far more than the immigrants' contributions to the economy and government. He argued that low-skilled immigrants are costly to the welfare state at every point in their life cycle, and are very costly when elderly. Just the 9 million to 10 million illegal adults already here will, if given amnesty, cost an average of $300,000 -- cumulatively, more than $2.5 trillion -- in various entitlements (Social Security, food stamps, Medicaid, housing, etc.) over 30 yrs.

Peter Brimelow, "There is recent evidence that, even after four generations, fewer than 10 percent of Mexicans have post-high school degrees, as opposed to nearly half of non-Mexican-Americans."

Ann Coulter: “Since Teddy Kennedy's 1965 Immigration Act, more than half of all legal immigrants have been unskilled, non-English-speaking Mexicans. America takes in roughly 1 million legal immigrants each year. Only about 30,000 of them have Ph.D.s. Why on earth would any rational immigration policy discriminate against immigrants with Ph.D.s in favor of unskilled, non-English-speaking immigrants?”
1) Security doesn't come first in this bill. the amnesty happens but the enforcement provisions are never enacted.
This bill would immediately legalize illegal aliens that are currently in the country and then it would put in place triggers to be completed in order to get a guest worker program going. The problem with this is that Congress is like a five year old at dinner when it comes to immigration. The only way you can get the kid to eat his green beans is by telling him that he can't eat his ice cream until he's finished -- and the only way Congress will actually see to it that the border security and enforcement provisions in the bill will be implemented is if they have to do them before they even consider an amnesty for the people who are here.
2) Illegal aliens won't have to pay back taxes -- where do we get the same deal? The whole idea that illegals shouldn't have to pay the taxes they already owe for working in the United States is utterly and completely offensive because it actually gives them a privilege that American citizens aren't getting: forgiveness for taxes owed to the IRS.
3) Free legal services, on the taxpayer's dime, for illegal aliens -- where do we get the same deal?:
"The Senate's bill would force taxpayers to foot the bill for many illegal aliens' lawyers. Under current law, illegal aliens are not eligible for federally funded legal services. Section 622(m) of the bill would allow millions of illegal aliens who work in agriculture to receive free legal services. Every illegal alien working in the agricultural sector would have access to an immigration attorney to argue his case through the immigration courts and federal courts of appeals—all at taxpayer expense. This provision alone could cost hundreds of millions of dollars each year."
4) This bill rewards illegal aliens for breaking our laws. As anyone who has a friend or relative who has tried to go through our legal immigration process can tell you, our system is a hopelessly tangled ball of red tape that takes many years, thousands of dollars, and almost countless hours of frustration to maneuver through. That's why we have tens of millions of people who respect our laws and our country, waiting patiently, in line, often in their home countries, to get a chance to come here.
But, what about the people who don't respect our laws or our country and just wandered across the border one day, bought fake documents, and used our schools and hospitals for free? The Senate is giving those people a sweetheart deal.
5) The price tag for the American taxpayers from this bill will top two trillion dollars! Senator Jim Bunning, step up to the plate and tell us about the cost of "low skill immigrant households,"
"Each of these households pays about $10,000 annually in taxes. That is less than almost every other American household. What is more alarming is how much they are receiving. Each of these households receives an average of $30,000 a year in immediate benefits. That means each low-skilled amnesty household costs the American taxpayer nearly $20,000 each year—twice what they are paying in.

ALL
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bigfootbob
What we never read about China is that they use their prisoners as slave labor. Pretty easy to grow your economy when your overhead is a bowl of rice and a few fishheads per prisoner.

WWJD??
Tax cuts across the board help because they create jobs and jobs pay more than welfare. Perhaps we wouldn't have such a great deficit if Dem presidents would stop chopping the military and intel budgets. As to the so called great economic boom your either dreaming or just dumb. I paid a heck of alot more taxes during Clinton years than the Bush years and I make more money now, not to mention the government is bringing in the largest revenue it ever has in the history of this country. Too bad politicians are wasting the money on pork. Clinton didn't balance the budget, Newt did. Clinton got rid of the deficit by taxing us greatly and stealing the SS dollars. He personally wrote the IOU in that SS lockbox. Let's also talk about how personal debt increased 60% under Clinton. that's right...60%! People stated using more and more credit to make ends meet. Don't forget that personal savings hit their lowest point in American history. Keep dreaming about the Clinton years. Let's also talk about how Clinton didn't inherit a mess but Reagan and Bush did. I am sure others will be more than happy to add to this. Go study economics and get back to me.

Not as bad as it looks...
SteveL
Well, that could explain President Bush's latest Executive Order. Boys and girls, it looks like we now have a Dictator-in-Chief.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55824

"(e) "Enduring Constitutional Government," or "ECG," means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the branches, to preserve the constitutional framework under which the Nation is governed and the capability of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership, and interoperability and support of the National Essential Functions during a catastrophic emergency;"

"(a) Ensuring the continued functioning of our form of government under the Constitution, including the functioning of the three separate branches of government;"

"(9) Recognizing that each branch of the Federal Government is responsible for its own continuity programs, an official designated by the Chief of Staff to the President shall ensure that the executive branch's COOP and COG policies in support of ECG efforts are appropriately coordinated with those of the legislative and judicial branches in order to ensure interoperability and allocate national assets efficiently to maintain a functioning Federal Government."

To me, this is a description of what the Executive Branch will do to handle a national emergency. It specifically states that it is restricted to the Executive Branch:

"(f) "Executive Departments and Agencies" means the executive departments enumerated in 5 U.S.C. 101, independent establishments as defined by 5 U.S.C. 104(1), Government corporations as defined by 5 U.S.C. 103(1), and the United States Postal Service;"

I imagine the Legislative and Judicial branches also have such procedures set up too.

USA!
Mr. Hanson got it correct. The reason that this is the greatest country in the world is the people who live in it. We argue with each other, we are "worrywarts", and somehow we keep making it thru one crisis after another.

Surprisingly, we do it in spite of our leaders (both good and bad). At Omaha Beach on June 6, 1944, in spite of planning by one of military history's greatest planners and gamblers (Dwight Eisenhower), everything went wrong (the amphib tanks sank in the rough water, the Germans troops defending this sector were damn good, the pre-landing naval barrage accomplished little, etc.). But we pulled it off and captured the beach. Yes losses were high. But the average "joes" got the job done.

That is the greatest thing about this country. We seem to always get the job done. As a Christian, I believe that this is evidence of "the Hand of Divine Providence". However, those who don't can buy this belief, will at least concede that the "pulling" together by all our citizens (once we go into crisis mode) can accomplish miracles.

Bravo!
Suicide-murders and roadside bombs in Iraq do sicken Americans - any poll shows this. This is why it is essential to repdeloy our troops in accordance with the Baker Hamilton recommendations, an informed bipartisan panel of COMPETENT, military and civilian legislators with foreign policy experience.

American debt absolutely keeps piling up in China and Japan, (and Saudi Arabia) and it's about time we held Bush Jr. accountable for continuing trade practices started by Clinton which only add to our trade deficit, sleeping at the wheel as Japan races ahead in hybid auto technology.

I agree with the author, we need to quickly find alternate energy sources and reduce our oil hunger. Welcome to sanity, better late then never - it's time to realize our own stupidity in driving gas guzzling cars as Detroit collapses before our eyes. GM made more in profit off their pension fund then they did selling cars. If not for their previous committment to benefiots for their workforce, their losses would have been even greater, having been bested in manufacturing by both Japan and Korea.

Bravo for celebrating our middle class! The author points out that the middle class is the key to America's prosperity, exactly why welfare for the rich must stop.

When Reagan explained to trusting Americans that tax breaks for the richest Americans would somehow benefit the middle class, we trusted and waited for the money to "trickle down" but have only seen the country's wealth distribution go to it's most "feudal" levels since the late 1890s.

If anyone wishes to take issue with this, I invite and challenge anyone to explain how tax breaks for the rich have helped the country. Only make sure you factor in the federal deficit, upon which any positive effect on the economy is more then erased. Any money made by Americans since Reagan is an illusion, because we borrowed against it. Our kids will have to pay this, an embarrassing commentary on the fiscal mismanagement of the USA.

Welcome to the "fake reality" economics that Bush Jr. learned from Reagan - tell the people the "economy is strong" but sweep the national defecit under the rug, don't mention the annual budget defecit, and don't bring up the staggering, record trade deficit. Why dwell on the negatives? It's La-la land indeed.

Now, let's look at a real period of economic boom - the Clinton era. The growth of the deficit leveled off and more millionaires were created in American then at any other time in history. But it wasn't just the earned income tax credit, base closures and reduction in defense spending during peacetime, it was actually tax reforms put in place by Daddy Bush which took a while to produce results. Then too, a Conservative-led Senate balanced out Clinton's policies, providing just the right tension and balance to provide the greatest prosperity we've seen since the mid 60s.

Together, we all started to reverse the growth of the defecit that ballooned under Reagan. But then Bush Jr. started to again stove-pipe money upstairs, to his rich crony donors. Just last year, America's personal savings went into the negative for the first time, meaning more is owed then owned.

When your grandkids ask "Why did you let the government increase America's debt?" what will you say? I was told not to say "the sky is falling" so I did nothing.

Response to Hanson's Column
Mr. Hanson says that America's greatest strength is its capacity for "radical self-critique." It is certainly an important aspect of our strength but not our greatest. Our religious heritage - the Judeo/Christian heritage - is our greatest strength.
Without it we have no basis for self-critique, we are a ship without a rudder. Once we lose this heritage the only basis we will have for "self-critique" will be from those who yell the loudest or use raw power or some perverted sense of logic to get their way. Our internal enemies know this and are busy dismantling all evidence of the religious heritage that is responsible for our greatness. Never before has there been such a concerted attempt from within to destroy our real strength.

Meritocracy and reason for the nation

America achieved greatness because we a system of meritocracy backed by a government which governed in the national interest based on reason applied to the facts.

Since the "liberal" revolution of the early 1960's, we have abandonded these precepts in favor of international interventionism, ruinous "free trade" policies, and social engineering.

The prosperity of Asia is due to their copying and applying our original economic formula--meritocratic economics based on reason and nationalism.

America invented the modern economy. We can recapture its benefits.

We need only to apply the old values: strict colorblind meritocracy based on rigorous reason applied in the national interest.

utahnotmormon RE: MSM
I think it is a good thing to separate the apples from the oranges in the MSM debate.

The apples (left leaning media) include all of the national networks, all of the cable news networks (sans Fox), and most of the newspapers in the US (sans the Washington Times and the Wall Street Journal, for example). It also includes PBS and NPR.
The oranges, on the other hand (right leaning media) includes most political talk radio, Fox News, and the outlets I mentioned before as exceptions.

Notice I did not mention any bloggers or any of the other "New Media". I don't really consider them to be news organizations. They are more in the nature of broadsides by individuals.

I think the other posters are referring to the alphabet soup news organizations (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, etc.) as the MSM, plus the newspapers (New York Times, Washington Post, etc.)

MSM does not include talk radio to me. It is more in the nature of alternative media, rather than mainstream. The "MSM" was here first, and talk radio rose in response to it once the "Fairness Doctrine" was removed.

Just a bit of clarification.

SteveL
Well, that could explain President Bush's latest Executive Order. Boys and girls, it looks like we now have a Dictator-in-Chief.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55824

China
China's GDP is projected to grow around 10% this year; the United States' GDP is projected to grow
around 3%.

China is growing from a much, much smaller base.

The GROWTH of US GDP from 2000 to 2007 was equal to the TOTAL GDP in China in 2006.

Shouldn't we enjoy the fact that we can buy so many things cheaply from China, and others, leaving us with more money for domestic purchases?

its coming
Yes, America is a great nation. Yes, there is no better place on earth to live. And all the other platitudes that we hear.

But after watching the situation here for over 50 years and knowing a little history, I for one feel that we are looking at an armed revolution. The country is divided like never before. The differences can not be reconciled. We have zero leadership. If I could, I would get my state to succeed as it did before. I can now understand why my ancestors fought for a free society under the CSA.

The Sky is falling--on Bush, not America
I've lived long enough to see this type of hand-wringing and despair before. The last time was the "malaise" of the Carter Administration years: As inflation and unemployment rose simultaneously, as gas lines increased and the Soviets scored one demarche after another, all kinds of people from Carter on down started telling us that America was in decline and we had to get used to it.

What changed all that was the optimism and vision and leadership of Ronald Reagan. The same type of optimism and leadership that Franklin Roosevelt had offered to America in another troubled time, when the Depression had hurt us at home while Fascism was scoring one demarche after another abroad.

The problem now, frankly, is Bush, Bush, Bush. He lacks the vision, and more importantly the ability to inspire, that could rally the country in ways that Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, or Ronald Reagan had. All too often he has lashed out searching for scapegoats for his own failings, just as Jimmy Carter did.

It's tough for political junkies to admit when their leader has failed. It was painful for the Democrats in 1968 to admit that Lyndon B. Johnson was dragging them (and the country) to ruin. It was painful for the Democrats in 1980 to admit that Jimmy Carter was dragging them (and the country) to ruin. Now it has proven extremely tough for the Republicans to admit how much the current President Bush has failed both them and the country. Bush has come close to undoing virtually everything Reagan did in 1980 and Gingrich did in 1994: He is DISCREDITING conservatism by his very actions and words.

Whoever the GOP nominates in 2008 should promise a clean break with Bush, and a new way for America, just like Humphrey did with LBJ in 1968, just like Sarkozy just did with Chirac. If he's viewed as a mere continuation of the Bush years, disaster will result.

Lolo
So many words to say nothing. You're the perfect example of railing on the mythical MSM with no supporting context.
Mindless generalizations like yours will do more to hurt this country than any actions of a free press.

Bottom-Line
We have our faults, failings and foibles like any country. WITH ALL THAT...name a better place to live & raise a family and/or more opportunity!
The Berlin Wall was to keep people IN, not to keep OUTSIDERS OUT!

utahnothemormon
It isn't about being positive. It's about justice and fair play. It's about not brainwashing and telling the truth. No, we will not let the MSM slide with a free pass, not just on this president and Congress, but on any president and Congress. The MSM only goal is to stir sh** no matter what. They undermine the 1st Amendment, thereby undermining the Constitution itself. They give new meaning to self destruct.

Like it or not
this country was founded on Godly principles,
dedicated in 1607 and 1620 to Him and the spreading of the Gosple to the world. These intentions are historic fact. Our founding documents were founded on the Bible. Peter Marshall Jr. is one of several scholars who've
written extensively on this.
We recently watched "First Landing" a short film about Rev. Robert Hunt, the pastor of the expedition to Virginia in 1607. We have had
two Great Awakenings just prior to our most serious challenges, the first was before the Revolution, the second before the Civil War. Each time our culture was on a down hill slide,
and was reversed due to these Awakenings.
Yes, we are in deep trouble morally, our government is a reflection of the corruption
that permeats our society as a whole. We, who are believers are responsible more so than anyone for the state of affairs we face today, domestically and internationally. And we need to
seek God's mercy for our land, as in 2 Chron. 7-14. And I am optomistic about that happening soon.
It's the only way we will regain our balance as a country. And just a thought as we are bemoaning the invasion, what if we do have a
third Great Awakening, where our people are
convinced of their sins, and repent, won't Almighty God also send that same awareness to our illegal invaders and they are convicted to return home? Nothing is impossible with God!

Like it or not
this country was founded on Godly principles,
dedicated in 1607 and 1620 to Him and the spreading of the Gosple to the world. These intentions are historic fact. Our founding documents were founded on the Bible. Peter Marshall Jr. is one of several scholars who've
written extensively on this.
We recently watched "First Landing" a short film about Rev. Robert Hunt, the pastor of the expedition to Virginia in 1607. We have had
two Great Awakenings just prior to our most serious challenges, the first was before the Revolution, the second before the Civil War. Each time our culture was on a down hill slide,
and was reversed due to these Awakenings.
Yes, we are in deep trouble morally, our government is a reflection of the corruption
that permeats our society as a whole. We, who are believers are responsible more so than anyone for the state of affairs we face today, domestically and internationally. And we need to
seek God's mercy for our land, as in 2 Chron. 7-14. And I am optomistic about that happening soon.
It's the only way we will regain our balance as a country. And just a thought as we are bemoaning the invasion, what if we do have a
third Great Awakening, where our people are
convinced of their sins, and repent, won't our
sovereign God also send that same awareness to our illegal invaders and they are convicted to return home? Nothing is impossible with God.

No!
America is not in decline...yet! We need to kick the behinds of people however who put money before doing what is right. The war in Iraq and immigration are prime examples of that. Life goes in cycles and cycles can be changed. We need to stick to our guns on these issues as they are fundamental to success.

America is Great and can continue to be
IF--

We correct the goals of the government school system (dumbing down young Americans) and return to teaching our children our
country's birth certificate (Declaration of Independence) and Constitution and the rich history of our Founders and those who followed them prior to John Dewey et. al.

Our country is now divided down the middle (Pro and Anti-Americans) and cannot continue as we are. Full fledged Socialism/Communism has not worked anywhere, and won't work in America---Marxism is not workable.

Morality must be recovered....care for neighbor must be recovered....faith, instead of despair, must be recovered. America can be healed!

MellorSJ
hehe! you kill me.

Sky Falling
Dr. Hanson,

Thanks, I(We) needed that.

With a pacifist, ostrich-like, Bush-deranged Democratic Party and a weak-kneed, "Stupid" Party, with trillion dollar tax increases and grotesque governmental waste and regulation in the offing, and in the face of a ruthless, relentles, death-worshipping enemy in desparate search of WMD and world conquest, it is easy to succumb to pessimism and despair.

Your article helps to renew my faith in American Democracy and Resolve as "The Last Best Hope."

ceb333

EMPIRE
VDH states that the naysayers claim that the American empire is dead. As an conservative my response is who in the hell wanted one anyway! The founders certainly didn't and Washington fought mightily against the very thought. Other empires were constructed to serve their own purposes but ours is designed to protect and to serve others. It has gotten us high deficits, foreign entanglements, lost soldiers, unwanted immagrants and the enmity of the world. All of those that have benifitted from Empire are those most undeserving of it.

patriot11C
patriot wrote, "America means freedom, jobs, and opportunity. . . Patooey on Marxism, Communism, socialism and totalitarian Islamic hegemony."


Right on target. The problem is that many people in America don't share your views. The far-left (i.e., the Socialist-Democrats) really believe that raising taxes, nationalizing corporations, isolationism, disarming the citizens, etc, will somehow improve America.

The Socialist-Democrats like Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy, et al believe that market socialism, like the PRC has now, will create a utopian society. They have no plan on how to actually accomplish this, other than tearing down the USA and then inserting socialism into the vacuum.

The socialists are "using" the IslamoFascists to accomplish that. The radical Muslims are the "useful idiots" of the 21st century.

RE: N/A
"We are the most wasteful nation on earth when it comes to energy consumption."

Absolutely incorrect. As far as energy consumption compared to production in the US, we are, BY A HUGE MARGIN, the most efficient nation on the planet. The next closest, when comparing production to energy consumption, is Japan, and they are something like 25% less efficient than we are.

Do we consume a lot of energy? Yep. We produce far, far, FAR more per unit of energy than any other nation on planet Earth.

At last an optimistic voice
Eleven score and 10 years ago, our fathers brought forth on this continent a nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal, endowed with the right to pursue life, liberty and happiness. The genius of our constitution and our nation is that it was designed to be a culture that celebrated life and ensured the opportunity for everyone from top to bottom to live a life of their dreams. No doubt that did not happen overnight. We still bore the pain of slavery and gender and racial inequality for nearly two hundred years. We have not yet arrived, but we are progressing on all those lines slowly but surely. America is founded on the best prinicples of all. The principle that everyone matters; that everyone has a role to play and purpose to fulfill. It is also where a poor immigrant from Austria can become governor of a state; a college drop out can become the richest man in the world. If we return to the culture of life there is nothing that can tear us down.

Yesterday,
a very liberal democrat friend told me that she was worried about the future of her grandchildren. I told her that I wasn't because I believed in Americas exceptalism. I just sent her Hanson's article for backup.

Talk Radio
is part of the MSM.
It's not a conspiracy that it is conservative-dominated and there is a big difference between a Michael Medved and a Michael Savage, even though both are considered conservatives.

But your post brings up a good point. While I point out that conservatives need to drop their obsession with a mythical MSM, your response is to mention liberals. Therein lies the problem. Instead of defensive reactions, conservatives need to concentrate on the positive principals that make them attractive as opposed to blaming liberals and the media for America's ills. Isn't that what conservatives constantly accuse liberals of doing - whining and being negative?

Congress Not Really Interested in NRG
independence or the environment for that matter. Within the past two years, they had TWO CHANCES to significantly reduce our dependence on foriegn oil simply by FULLY EXPLORING NORTH AMERICAN OIL AND GAS RESERVES AND RESOURCES. Both chances our Congress said no during a time of war!!!!! They would rather ship foreign oil in tankers that sink frequently across 12000 miles of the Earth's most sensitive resource....our oceans. So I dont buy Congress's ficticious charade about reducing our carbon output and tying this to saving soldiers lives. They had their chance to save soldiers lives simply by letting America using ITS OWN RESOURCES...and they passed.

Democrats
When I was growing up 40's and early 50's The dems were working to make this country great.Then we got into the LBJ era George McGovern and the dems started getting more socialist.For some reason they embraced communism,and leftist dictators.Reagan slowed this down somewhat.Folks like N/A are blaming the so called right wing for all our troubles.He thinks if we raised the mpg all of our problems would be solved.How many millions of cars on the road today.Raising mpg takes time and new tehnology.I agree ethanol is not going to solve the problem.

What is it with conservatives and Bill C
Beyond the moral failings, I think the majority of conservatives look at Clinton as being the quintessential politician. Clinton, above all presidents in my lifetime at least was bound by the polls. That was the reason we often saw his policies going in different directions. He almost always appeared to like popularity and publicity over doing the right thing. We were only straddled with his administration because Republicans and Independents ran in mass to Peroit in '92. Then, because the economy was perceived to be strong, (it really wasn't because of the dot.com industry; an industry built on offering no products) the sad thing was that we placed him in office for a second term.

Now, because of immigration reform, the Iraq War, high gasoline prices, etc. we are ripe to put another Democrat in office.

The one thing that I admire about President Bush, is that he has consistently attempted to do the right thing. Has he been in over his head? At times. But I think the nature of the job is that all Presidents, at one time or the other, are in over their head. Even though I have not agreed with President Bush on some things, I still feel we are better off with him, then if we had had Gore or Kerry in office.

The United States is bigger than the Presidency, but I will surely vote for the Republican candidate again, because we cannot afford Clinton II, Obama, or Edwards as the President of this great country.

What good is a Constitution????
"Does any nation have a constitution comparable to ours?"

What good is a Constitution if it is no longer respected? What good is an oath if it no longer honored? What good are laws if they are never enforced? What good is justice if it is applied unequally?

America's downfall is all but assured. Not because of how strong our enemies are, but because of how corrupt our government has become. We were once governed by the "rule of law". THAT is what made America great, because everyone was on a level playing field and those that chose not to play by the rules were punished.

The "rule of law" is no longer the rule. Greed has corrupted the rule of law so that now it is used to destroy those it was meant to protect, and protects those it was meant to destroy.

The rule of law is dead, as is our Republic. Our representatives no longer represent us, but instead conspire against us. They are guilty of treason, but there is no one to prosecute them for their crimes against the nation.

So now we find ourselves in the same predicament as those who wrote the Declaration of Independence just over 200 years ago. But this time, there will be no revolution. There will be submission and enslavement.

Now there is only ONE that can free us. His name is Jesus Christ. Let us have hope that our faith has not been in vain.

utahnotmormon
The same could be said for liberals who think talk radio is some vast organized movement that thinks and acts with a sole purpose.

N/A
Good point. I suggest you power down your computer to reduce your dependence on the fossil fuels that provide your home with electricity.

Myth
>The MSM goes to great lengths to capitalize on that trait<

The thinking that there is some organized "MSM" that thinks and acts with a sole purpose is one of the factors contributing to the demise of clear and coherent thought in this country.

Conservatives who continually blame America's problems on the MSM are guilty of distraction and obfuscation. If you can't see the difference between a Lou Dobbs and a Wolf Blitzer, then you're really not trying very hard.


It's Just What the Libs Want Anyway
In fact, global warming is a brillant strategy on the libs part for turning the world, and mainly the USA into their dreamed Socialist Mecca. The biggest impediment to the one world social order the libs dream of is the USA and its Constitution and Bill of Rights. They are close, they have the Judicial Branch, and the Legislative Branch, now if they can just get the Executive Branch, they will just usurp the America people who dont go along with their ideals. Just look at what's happening with immigration. Its just foreshadowing of a dreamed of United North America.

Clinton Phobia
gf writes, "The fact that there were enough are enough folks to make Bill Clinton president does not make me very confident in America."

What is it with conservatives and Bill Clinton? I'm hardly a fan, but I'm puzzled by this fixation. Granted he had personal moral failings, but nothing could be said about him in that department that couldn't be said about a lot of other politicians on both sides of the aisle. Furthermore, he is hardly a flaming liberal, and any reasonable assessment would rate him a far more competent President than his successor. The fact that there were enough folks to put THAT sorry specimen in office for a second term makes me despair for America.

True, September...
One of our greatest assets is the ability to critique ourselves but we do it to a fault. We're largely a well-intentioned bunch with a tendency to believe the stuff others say about us. The MSM goes to great lengths to capitalize on that trait, never missing a chance to show us the flag-burning mobs in front of our embassies. What they don't show us is the other mob trying to get in for visa applications. If we're so bad, why do we have an illegal immigration problem?

Marketing
It is all in the marketing. First you have to create a problem before you can offer your services as a solution.

The Democrats are good at creating problems and getting the nation and voters to feel thier pain. The Democrats are dismal on providing solutions that work. However, they are very good at providing costly illusions that create more problems.

The Republicans had better learn how to market.

change nope
We Nailbitters have always been paronoid that we must change or improve. And we always do just in time.

No I think we just return tok what made us great in the first place.

Liberty -- VDH Did Not Call You a "Kook"

He called you a "Cassandra" and a "nail-biter". But it was clearly meant as a compliment.

Our nation is great because folks like you make us always pay attention to the founding priniciples that have made us great, and you can always be relied upon to scream bloody murder when we fall short of those priniciples.

Mr. Hanson's point (as I understand it) is one of perspective. I personally don't at all share your alarm over the Council of Foreign Relations, just for one example, but that certainly doesn't mean that I can ignore your views (not that you'd ever let me or anyone else do so). I happen to believe that our more recent interventionist stance in the Middle East is the correct policy, but I know that we are well-served by your constant harping on this subject. Your views are helpful because your underlying aim is very much pro-American (as starkly contrasted by the plainly anti-American views of Democratic Underground, Moveon.org, Amnesty Int'l, Michael Moore, etc.).

In other words, VDH wants you to keep on biting your nails. America is greater for it.

Excellent
America is still #1.

I don't see the immigrants of the world going to China or Russia or Iran?

No. They come here. Why? Because EVERYBODY wants their MTV.

America means freedom, jobs, and opportunity.
Every other country is an also-ran or a pathetic wanabee when compared to the US.

Patooey on Marxism, Communism, socialism and totalitarian Islamic hegemony. Capitalism rules.

Long live the United States of America and long may she wave.

How I wish...
First, thank you for the encouraging and positive article. It is nice to hear someone speak positively about our country.
Second, I have listen to you on Hugh Hewitt and found that what you say is intellignet and worth hearing.
Third, I hope that more people begin to dig into the classisc and also begin to push their children into a classical education.

Now having said all of that I must confess that I also have been (and still am) somewhat skeptical of what is happening to our country. There are quite a few reasons but I will only give the root reason here...if the United States does fall then this is the one reason why;
Many have abandoned the Judeo-Christian values that our Founding Fathers lived by. They are the principles that they exercised on a daily basis. They are the morals and philosophies which they educated their children with and expected from them. Many people will say that we now live in a "post-Christian" era. At first I thought this not true, but as I attempt to raise and educate my own children I am finding that I am wrong and they are right. A very good example is the issue of homosexuality/lesbianism and marriage. When this "debate" first began I asked myself why in the world are we even having this "debate"? Yet it still is an ongoing issue and by hook or by crook those opposing traditional Judeo-Christian values are shoving their way into the "mainstream"....anyways, enough said. Let's just say that I am hoping and praying that VDH is right.

Wonderful
What an awsome perspective. First let me say I feel exactly the same way. Why do we constanly focus on the negative and percieve that as realty.Our politicians and the the people in the media, who we elect, and listen to daily have a dismal view of the people in this country and yet we continue to elect them and listen to them. To me it seems that they are more concerned about keeping there jobs than they are about serving. We need more men and women with the perspective of the author of this article talking to the american people. The world belongs to the encourager and I beleive that is what America offers the world,Encouragement.

Thanks, I needed that!
interesting commentary...

In my weakened state its always good to be reminded of the one true light and hope of the world!

All this other stuff is just that.


It is a well-conceived plan

We'd better remember what made America great and remember it pretty darn soon. As others said above, we have gotten WAY off-track of what our Founders laid out for us. We are going to have to all make a decision very soon, whether we want collectivism (i.e. socialism) or whether we want LIBERTY.

We are no longer a country, OF the people and BY the people. We have allowed a bunch of power hungry elites to grab control of OUR government. These people have the goal of world government and they are very close to achieving their goal. Before that can happen, America has to be brought down. Many of these people have said same in their memoirs through the years.

The next step for us will be for our country to be merged with Canada and Mexico into a North American Union.
http://www.stopthenau.org/
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/
http://stopspp.com/stopspp/
http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15954
http://www.judicialwatch.org/SPP.shtml

This video will bring you up to speed:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3745450237164848874&q=%22pretext+for+the+north+american+union%22
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-521101811626076431&q=%22pretext+for+the+north+american+union%22

Globalism...
"It is the collective effect of purposeful and amoral manipulation that seeks to centralize economic, political, technological and societal forces in order to accrue maximum profit and political power to global banks, global corporations and the elitists who run them."
http://www.augustreview.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1&Itemid=4

Check this out:
http://www.fina-nafi.org/eng/fina/presentation.asp?langue=eng&menu=fina
http://americas.irc-online.org/am/386
http://www.asu.edu/clas/nacts/bna/

Now, can you see why this whole crisis with illegal aliens was allowed to happen?
President Fox has said in numerous interviews that before this could happen, the economies of the nations would have to be brought closer together. We can see that happening now.

Ever notice how things stay surprisingly the same, regardless of the Party, or administration in power? Clinton's mentor, Dr. Carroll Quigley, said in his book, Tragedy and Hope:

"The chief problem of American political life for a long time has been how to make the two Congressional parties more national and international. The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead the two parties should be almost identical, so the that American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy." Quigley, 1247-1248

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Now, I fully realize you might to try to call me a kook, if you cursorily look over what I've posted. That's fine. But if you check out what I've said, I seriously doubt you will have the same opinion.

A 10yr plan to fix K-12 education
I invite readers to read an article titled "A 10 year plan to fix K-12 education" at http://voice.townhall.com/g/a71b80ca-d2ff-4587-a7cd-1c6c55221b55

Xlnt article; thanks, VDH!
But I worry about how long it is taking the pendulum to swing to the right.

Not to inject a note of pessimism here, but the destruction that we currently face is from within. And, with public education essentially in the hands of the left, we are losing critical mass in every generation.

A redeeming factor for America is the concept described in Michael Barone's "Hard America, Soft America". Competition vs. Coddling. I recommend this book - if you don't have the time to read it, read a review at: http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth--941-Hard_America_Soft_America_New_House_Divided.aspx

My hope is that the loss of 'critical mass' in every generation does not set us on an irreversible decline. VDH's article gives me hope based on historical precedent!

However, I think that our chance of returning to the 'shining city on a hill' diminish with every decade that we allow public education to continue.

This is ....
What we should all be thinking as Proud Americans. This is the Greatest Nation in the world and VDH is right, we have always come out on top when change is imminent. Remember the 80's when Japan was suppoosedly buying up all of America? Their stock market crashed shortly after all of that hub-bub. So did ours, but where are we, again?
Click my name and read about Memorial Day Memories.

A minor correction....
You say, rather disparagingly (I find): "Try running for national office in India from the lower caste."
While you're right about a lower-caste Indian running for 'national office' I would say that this might become a possibility in the near future. If you take the Indian state Uttar Pradesh as an indicator for national sentiments and developments it should come as a surprise to you that a woman from a low caste has taken over as head of that state. So when you say 'try running' - sarcastically - I find you're off the mark. On the contrary, run for national office in India if you are poor because such is the beauty and nature of democracy, nothing should be impossible. This is only sticking point I have with your article but other than that I find and admire the this American self-belief you highlight since it is not aloof nor snobbish.

On India/Uttar Pradesh: http://www.opendemocracy.net/debates/article.jsp?id=2&debateId=43&articleId=4638

people read history, few know it
Look to the French of 1940 where their socialist and marxist policies got them.

"Drive By" History and the Tet Summer of Iraq
http://malize.townhall.com/g/9c75b618-41cc-48ea-80b6-535708c41b9b

Don't be too smug
The fact that there were enough are enough folks to make Bill Clinton president does not make me very confident in America. It looks like we'll probably get Chairwoman Hillary next.

Too many Americans have already been sold on Marxist ideals. The anti-American education system and the MSM have invested many years getting us to where we are today. I think we've already passed the tipping point.

Made me feel better...
...for a moment, and then realized that VDH seems to be ignoring the simple fact that the things that make us great are being undermined, are largely already tilting like the Tower of Pisa and getting ready to collapse, by a number of factions. You have your usual culprits, socialist and collectivists of all different stripes, but can include now the transnationalists, consisting of those often considered conservative allies, and the homosexualists and immoralists and many other new breeds that live here and wish nothing more than the destruction of the USA. Rome at it's height seemed invulnerable and eternal, but inner bickering, greed, laziness brought on a rather swift decline.

Faith in America
and Faith in God go hand in hand!

Thank you Mr. Hanson
That was needed.

I believe in a great future...
for America. But not based on a comparison with China or Russia or anywhere else in the world.

My only concern is simple - think about how America IS, and how it SHOULD be.

This country has fallen quite far from where the founding fathers envisioned. We are much closer to the ideals of Marx and community than Jefferson and individual liberty.

What made this country great is what can make it truly great once again - liberty. Only when we abandon the socialist ideas of welfare, foreign meddling and the like, will we achieve that.

I love America - because I love what the founding fathers created. I love the bill of rights, free markets and, of course, liberty.

I don't care about being better or worse or richer or poorer than these other countries. I care about how free America is - and that's what makes this country great.

That's my rant. Some further reading if you're interested:

"What is America?"
http://www.populistamerica.com/what_is_america
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